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Toniayu123 28th April 2020 09:06 PM

Btw, on the book it is acknowledged that she was singing before meeting Max. She mentions she is releasing the album (nothing from nothing) on the supposed first meet at the disco.
Idk, while the book seems targeted to a more mature audience the drama looks like the complete opposite.

primavera♥ 29th April 2020 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318456)
I really don't enjoy how the show presents Ayu as some silly sap. I can't really buy Kalen as a "rough diamond chosen by the gods" — Ayu yes that's evident but Kalen plays Ayu like an android cafe waifu hostess with the charisma of a microwaved apple.

Though no doubt we're going to be expected to swallow that someone so meek with little to nothing to say in show — will go on to pen her first album with songs like A Song For. I can imagine the scene now

Masa with a *fist full of papers with Ayu's lyrics* "Who write this?" AYU WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?"
Ayu "I-i-i *clutches diary close to chest"
Masa "Ayu chan it's a miracle you write such introspective lyrics beyond your years"
Ayu "I just close my eyes and the lyrics come to me"
Masa "The gods have destined it for you"
Ayu "^__^ *nods*"

Thinking about it, maybe the little dialogue for the Ayu character is probably a design choice to accommodate for Kalen's acting ability?

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318467)
Actually, I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Ayu's writing seeming lackluster or amateur at first, but with Max's encouragement, it becomes amazing. :rolleyes Again, attributing her success more to Max than to some innate ability that Ayu has.

I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well.

This and this.

Kalen's lack of acting skills really don't help. I think what makes it more difficult is that she doesn't feel like ayu at all, and it seems her character just wasn't written that way. She trudges through the lines, but her as ayu is one of the least compelling characters. Whenever they reenact the lives, she looks dead. Like I don't understand lol.

Anyway, I'm also not a fan of the way they center Masa. Romance-wise, I get it, but the way ayu is depicted in comparison is sad.

I do think ayu's story is dark and interesting enough to have a compelling serious show. But thats not what they were going for here of course. Shame though, would've been cool

In the meantime, I'll be interested to see where they go with this. It's still fun to watch as a fan, so I look forward to new episodes weekly.

ayu_fantasy 30th April 2020 12:07 PM

It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

ExodusUK 30th April 2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 3318596)
It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

In the book, Ayu describes the girls as gossips at the Avex camp she attended after returning from New York. The breaking of the shoulder, tripping and everything else is just a dramatisation — as a result of the made up Masa assistant character.

truehappiness 1st May 2020 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 3318596)
It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

The script was embellished a lot to make it more of a drama. Some characters were probably also created because of that general notion from promoters/TV execs/etc. The book itself was already sort of "what is truth? what is fiction?" and then the drama got a lot of free rein on things to add to keep things 'interesting'. I think the guy who wrote the script is normally a comedian that sometimes produces/writes for dramas or other TV programs.

visionfactory 1st May 2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3318433)
I wonder how far trainees are really forced to go in real life until they get their debuts. they show the hard training camp in NYC and that ridiculous runs just to have a chance to debut. I bet they won't go that far in real life but as we seen in KPOP, people are really going far and beyond just to have a debut. I actually wouldn't be surprised if big companys like avex (a victory) made people to run 10km and then have a debut like they did in series

The little information I got on this is that Avex training is not that intense/in-depth. Years ago a documentary of Avex group Dream was aired. Some of the topics of it was the intense training they have to do after 7 years of performing with Avex to debut with the new agency LDH. At the time of re-debuting with LDH they noticed that even if they were experienced performers they lacked the abilities to do so. They even pointed a certain member who at time of re-debuting had null dancing ability. They showed video footage and it was pretty funny.

pedronekoi 2nd May 2020 07:47 PM

Because of Corona, they can't continue the shooting for the dorama so, apparently, it will be stopped for a while.

Andrenekoi 2nd May 2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318467)
Actually, I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Ayu's writing seeming lackluster or amateur at first, but with Max's encouragement, it becomes amazing. :rolleyes Again, attributing her success more to Max than to some innate ability that Ayu has.

I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well.

Even if this does help put Max in a good light, wouldn't it also be in line with how japanese "hero" narratives usually works?

In the sense that western narrative usually presents someone with big inherent powers (or talents, in this case) they must learn to use, while japanese narratives usually presents how people develop such powers/talents through hard work and resiliance?

Zeke. 2nd May 2020 10:50 PM

I’ve been reading about the Japanese word “べき (beki)”, as in the context of ayus lyrics for M, I always felt it held a nuanced weight. In Japanese you’re taught it means “should” but in this case it feels awkward to translate it as such. I started reading this breakdown https://goiryoku.net/subeki-surubeki, and as I was doing so, I got the sense it can correlate with having somewhat of a sense of duty of doing something. Sure enough, it does point that nuance out as a use case and provides and example.

I think the word “reverence” really captures this best, but also “allegiance” “responsibility” and “obligation.”

I think this is very interesting because it explains why Ayu is wearing a wedding dress in the video and single cover, and also why she performs it in a wedding dress. Becoming a bride, getting married, it represents a vow - a duty one thereafter feels they have a responsibility to uphold (a duty they accepted and agreed to). Also consider the fact that MARIA represents Mother Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver Christ unto the Earth, who as a result must have held an immense sense of revere for God in choosing her.

This makes complete sense in the context of Max, as it is to him she owes her rise to fame (not saying she didn’t have talent, but it took HIM and his belief in her to get the world to see that). I think she recognizes that, and it’s no surprise the way she interpreted thanking him was through loving him.

“M—there’s someone I love reverently...”
“M—having someone I am devout in loving....”

voltron 3rd May 2020 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3318743)
Also consider the fact that MARIA represents Mother Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver Christ unto the Earth, who as a result must have held an immense sense of revere for God in choosing her.

I don't remember where it was, but I'm pretty sure in an article or interview she said it was Mary Magdalene, not Mother Mary.

visionfactory 3rd May 2020 06:32 AM

Episode 2 was a bit slow :( looking forward to Episode 3!

edit: wow Episode 3 looks so good so far! waiting for the subs :D

Machiko 4th May 2020 05:25 PM

Episode 3 with subs is out!
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-3/

attractive nausea 4th May 2020 11:03 PM

The third episode was a lot more cringy to watch imo, why does Kalen makes Ayu look and sound so stupid?

Evolution7/4 4th May 2020 11:12 PM

This episode was MEH for me but nice to hear the full version of We Can't Stop This - the verses are sooo good and classic J-pop.

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 01:19 AM

the bit where the lyrics for ASFXX flew out from the page...lol x

jbrat2219 5th May 2020 06:50 AM

Spoiler:
Avex President: "What if Ayu doesn't sell?!"

Me: HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Honestly, I thought Kalen was a tad better and had a bit more fire that I'm used to seeing from Ayu. Glad to see she's improving. And although I don't give Max all the credit for Ayu's success, it's hard to imagine what her career would have looked like without him behind her.

Diego-kun 5th May 2020 12:32 PM

I'm curious! Does anyone know if A Song for XX was really the first song Ayu wrote? It's hard to know when the drama mixes real events and fiction so easily...

Toniayu123 5th May 2020 03:13 PM

^ on the book it is presented as so

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 03:22 PM

I think Ayu said before Friend is the first song she wrote before her debut but we know that even Ayu herself is a bit of a history revisionist.

Katsuyuki012 5th May 2020 03:30 PM

When it comes down to it, the very first song she wrote is LIMIT in 1995 but of course that's pre-avex...


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