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AyUta 6th February 2008 04:53 AM

^ LOL that's alright, I didn't know myself for a while :shakehead

CHE.R.RY 6th February 2008 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by taskinillusion (Post 1327588)
And is it just me, or did anyone else not know that the lyrics to "Black Cherry" are "Rock the party Work your body"? I always thought she was saying "Work your body work your body"... You learn something new everyday! :D Oh and I still think "Black Cherry" sounds so much like Destiny Child's "Lose My Breath." :yes

I love how the first thing I see on the "Kingdom" booklet is DEAD ANTELOPE HEAD. D: WEIRD.

LOL I thought she was saying that too O.o...
You learn something new everyday xD!

Zeke. 6th February 2008 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1327540)
Koda Kumi actually never had any BEST album.


BEST FT - ALL Singles compilation, and not a BEST
BEST SS - New original album made of several singles
BEST BL - Ballads compilations...probably the only "closer" to being a BEST of.

If it has BEST in the title, it's a freaking BEST album. Jesus.

Zeke. 6th February 2008 05:26 AM

I hope the REMIX album side is good.

Gosh I just didn't ever expect such a huge scandal. A halt to promo? It's just so weird.

futureLOVE 6th February 2008 05:30 AM

i wish it was a best of b-sides rather than remixes :(...that would be sooo much better

tobygirl2020 6th February 2008 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 1327637)
If it has BEST in the title, it's a freaking BEST album. Jesus.

No it isn't. This is more accurately a compilation album, but because no one at Avex wants to hire someone to get their english correctly and BEST is widely used in Japan, they go with BEST. Please read what it will include:

various other artists' songs featuring Koda, as well as her CM songs (WE WILL ROCK YOU, Venus), a new cover of Yen Town Band's Swallowtail Butterfly ~Ai no Uta~, and her digital download only song Get It On.

The majority of (or maybe all, can't remember) or the songs featuring Kumi have never been released on an album or a single that had her name on it. The CM songs are new, as well as the cover song. Get It On will have its first physical release.

We don't know what the remixes are yet--if they've already been released or not.

Given the large amount of new material and material never released under her name, how is that a best album? :rolleyes

Zeke. 6th February 2008 05:44 AM

The people of Japan see it as a "BEST". If I saw BEST of, I would be more likely to buy that album because if I'm wanting to try that artist out - I will be able to start with the BEST material. That is partially why Ku became so successful.

dayumi 6th February 2008 06:18 AM

WHAT! ARE YOU SERIOUS? Kuu is releasing another BEST album? wtf.
I mean wow that's crazy.
btw, I never consider BEST~SS~ as a best album, it's just like a studio album with 12 single.

Raleigh 6th February 2008 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 1327637)
If it has BEST in the title, it's a freaking BEST album. Jesus.

Same feeling. Even if it packaged differently than regular bests it's still a compilation of a best hits. No matter how people try to go into the nitty gritty trying to explain how different it is. avex wants us to consider them as such since they give them the title "BEST". Otherwise they'd find some other fancy name.

Anyway these best or whatever are a crummy idea. It makes me sick of her that avex is constantly trying to push her into the spotlight with recycled material. If she wants to release 2 original albums in a year fine for me but this is overdoing it.

tobygirl2020 6th February 2008 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 1327649)
The people of Japan see it as a "BEST".

And? That doesn't address whether or not it really is a best. Are you saying that if someone sees something one way, then it must be true? So if a Japanese person with limited english points to a cat and says in english "its a dog," then its true because that's what they see it as?

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Same feeling. Even if it packaged differently than regular bests it's still a compilation of a best hits. No matter how people try to go into the nitty gritty trying to explain how different it is. avex wants us to consider them as such since they give them the title "BEST". Otherwise they'd find some other fancy name.
LOL. Yes, that works if you are the kind of person who doesn't think critically, buys into advertising tricks and gimmicks and doesn't think for yourself.

I'm willing to bet that most Kumi fans do not even own the tracks or are aware of the tracks that could hypothetically be on this album, so I fail to see how this one is a "crummy idea."

milky_way 6th February 2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1327540)
BEST FT - ALL Singles compilation, and not a BEST

Isn't that what a BEST is? O_O

Raleigh 6th February 2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tobygirl2020 (Post 1327673)
LOL. Yes, that works if you are the kind of person who doesn't think critically, buys into advertising tricks and gimmicks and doesn't think for yourself.

I'm willing to bet that most Kumi fans do not even own the tracks or are aware of the tracks that could hypothetically be on this album, so I fail to see how this one is a "crummy idea."

That's funny. Kumi's career has a large web of gimmicks and tricks. Similarly to Ayu's career in her peak, avex takes advantage of these gimmicks to get the artist in this spotlight and get them to sell well and Kumi has a truckload of gimmicks. Also a load of people "don't think for themselves" since they bought into advertising gimmicks.

It's a crummy idea because it's being titled as yet another best :rolleyes It wouldn't be so bad if she released another regular album and didn't call it a best. For Kumi fans it might be a great opportunity to get new tracks. In fact even I am looking forward to some tracks.

However on the long run avex will just milk her so much that people will grow sick of her. It's easy to get a decent album name, I'm pretty sure they can come up with something apart from "best".

ayu_fan929 6th February 2008 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by milky_way (Post 1327677)
Isn't that what a BEST is? O_O

Not really. Singles collection is just all the songs she released onto 1/2 CDs. BEST is like A BEST imo, a collection of both album and single tracks.

Kogepan_19 6th February 2008 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1327702)
Not really. Singles collection is just all the songs she released onto 1/2 CDs. BEST is like A BEST imo, a collection of both album and single tracks.

Oh really? Doesn't Singles Collections CDs get categorized under BEST albums as well for ranking comparison and such on ORICON? Like Utada's Singles Collection Vol. 1. I think it's really confusing business.

And wow...I think Demure_Dusk is really right. Seriously, for casual listeners who just want to try something out and don't follow Koda's career by for example knowing every single CM song she's had or every digital single she's released, a title with the word BEST is quite misleading.

Raleigh 6th February 2008 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kogepan_19 (Post 1327723)
And wow...I think Demure_Dusk is really right. Seriously, for casual listeners who just want to try something out and don't follow Koda's career by for example knowing every single CM song she's had or every digital single she's released, a title with the word BEST is quite misleading.

Thank you :) I think avex should've chosen a better album title. Like hinting a new theme or concept one would have been so neat. Apparently it's focused on commercials and unreleased songs so why not hint on it? Black Cherry and Kingdom were awesome titles, I don't see why they didn't find a great title for this album too.

bondingo 6th February 2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk (Post 1327728)
Thank you :) I think avex should've chosen a better album title. Like hinting a new theme or concept one would have been so neat. Apparently it's focused on commercials and unreleased songs so why not hint on it? Black Cherry and Kingdom were awesome titles, I don't see why they didn't find a great title for this album too.

I agree with this post entirely. I am very excited to be seeing all this new material from Kuu, but I'm getting really tired of the marketing gimmick of naming it a BEST album when it really isn't at all. Best and compilation albums seem to be the same to the Japanese, despite whether they may be considered otherwise in other countries. I would have preferred them to come up with something creative like her last two studio album titles. I'm still bothered that they named BEST~ss~ what they did, as it in my mind was a studio album, just filled with singles that had previously not been released on an album. Maybe I'm just rambling, but that's how I see it.

MemorialAddress 6th February 2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 1327637)
If it has BEST in the title, it's a freaking BEST album. Jesus.

LMAO I know right.
Some people just DONT GET IT :rolleyes

Luv ~Venus~ 6th February 2008 11:59 AM

^I'm so with you two that I have to give the definition of what a BEST is:

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Single-artist "greatest hits", "best of", or "singles collection" LPs, gathering together an artist's best-known songs. If the artist or group is still recording, it is common practice to include one or more previously unreleased tracks as an incentive for fans of the artist to buy the album, even if they already have the other material on the compilation.
That's the definition of what a BEST is...If you still don't believe that Second Session than you're just in denial about it. :rolleyes

Can we please move on to something else? This whole "SS should be called something else because I don't consider it a BEST" convo is really boring and as a frequent visitor/poster of this thread, I'd prefer talking about something else that's more entertaining.

thinkingoutloud89 6th February 2008 12:03 PM

^I don´t think the BEST in the titel makes it an BEST lol... only "BEST of ..." does that

BEST ss should have been named "Love Goes Like..."
I´m oka ywith first things and B&L to be considerd as a best

m-a-z-e 6th February 2008 12:21 PM

Lol @ Best of Discussion

To me a best of has always been just a single collection, call it Best of, single collection, greatest hits, WHATEVER. =/

Some artists do select bests. In the case of Koda Kumi and avex as a whole, avex abuse the term best of and do what I do with my iTunes playlists. I make my own bests of ballads/dance songs/sex songs(rofl)/whatever... If a CD is reproducing old hits and it has a title like "Bounce and Lovers" it's a best of..'cos it compiles her best ballads. Best of first session IS a best of cos it has ALL her singles, and second session is a BEST of 'cos well, as much as the songs were practically brand new still, 12 singles were released which is normally the amount needed to make a best of...

If it's a best of, it's a best of... *Shrugs*

What I hate is when singles are "mini albums" like Mika Nakashima's Oborodukiyo Inori, two new songs (or something) and some remixes isn't a mini album..plus it had instrumentals and crap..that's what I hate. XD


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