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owlflight 3rd March 2012 09:38 AM

Even if this seems like a sad album, I wouldn't mind something happy to follow it. Still hope to get a song that I can dance crazy to :P

Corvina 3rd March 2012 09:42 AM

Her eyes aren't smiling, cause she's wearing coloured contacts. XD
With the concept like that it's the first time they fit with a photoshoot for Ayu.

Deep snow 3rd March 2012 09:59 AM

Does wearing colored contacts make your eyes not smiling? Seriously, though; I've never worn them before.

Refix 3rd March 2012 10:11 AM

Im pretty satisfied with the cover, all of it. And after I found out the meaning behind it...I even love it more! Really unsuspecting concept when I saw it at the first time, thought it just a plain girl going to wild party concept thingy, dont know about that sad feeling.

Corvina 3rd March 2012 10:12 AM

Coloured contacts make your eyes lifeless and empty - doll like most of the time.
I didn't see any so far which hadn't that effect, especially japanese ones with exotic colours.

Deep snow 3rd March 2012 11:07 AM

^ I see. Thanks.

tasking 3rd March 2012 11:08 AM

Timmy posted isthisLOL's blog on Facebook... I guess that means he joined AHS?

emi♡ 3rd March 2012 11:21 AM

Yeah. And it's like, ew.

Guys, if you're going to just spew out negative opinions on facebook, at least back up your claims with some kind of evidence please.

microphone 3rd March 2012 11:41 AM

^ What was his reaction to the blog entry?

emi♡ 3rd March 2012 11:51 AM

He didn't say anything, he just shared it.

kendelle 3rd March 2012 12:04 PM

Well, I guess our new game can be guessing who he is on the forums...lol!

Hextan 3rd March 2012 12:36 PM

All the things people are saying about the covers, I find it so funny, the more people complain the more I'm finding reasons I like what's being complained about, so weird.

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Originally Posted by RayJason (Post 2825299)
People who hear/see ayu for the first time (because of this album-cover-) will have a totally weird vision about her. XD I had too; when I found out about ayu I watched pv's like Sparkle, Rule and Ladies Night and I totally had the wrong picture of her back then lol. :mischief

I just had to comment on this because, before I became the Ayumi Hamasaki-stan that I am today, I of course, didn't like her. I listened to some Japanese artists already, Utada being the first, and of course, you start listening to Japanese music and searching about it and eventually, you happen upon mention of Ayu. The first image I ever saw of Ayu, at least when I knew it was Ayu was the Startin' / Born to be... covers and suddenly I thought "Oh see, she's this typical pop **** like Britney Spears or something just Japanese"

Never bothered with her again until I happened upon STEP you. And the rest is history.

AyUmIXx 3rd March 2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2825408)
I wrote an article on why exactly I like the cover and as a response to some of the arguments used against it on my new blog(ironically as my first post since I was really thinking about those covers a lot lately...) since I felt like I wasn't really able to express it right in here without offending people
http://boldlydelicious.wordpress.com...tans-real-mad/

Just a note: That post is not directed at everybody disliking the covers. I can understand and respect disliking them if you just genuinely think they don't look good.

wow very awesome interpretation of ayu's PQ cover.
I love the covers even more now.

Aderianu 3rd March 2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kendelle (Post 2825567)
Well, I guess our new game can be guessing who he is on the forums...lol!

I tried xD I think nickname should be related to timwellard, but didn't find anything )

Moonstar 3rd March 2012 12:53 PM

Timmy wrote at twitter about the covers ,
"Does NE1 have any fxxxxxg idea what a PARTY QUEEN is? The irony? The tragedy? The coruscating truth? The lie? The aftermath? The ideal?"

and he is soooooooo right with it......but the problem is that many people just see what they want to see....they go blind for the fact that there is more to it.

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 01:00 PM

Omg can't believe he shared it! I'm completely overwhelmed right now actually haha I expected to reach 20, maybe 30 people, now I reached nearly 300 overnight thanks to people sharing it on twitter, AHS and facebook and especially Timmy <3
I guess that confirms at least part of the entry, too.

Jawdarna 3rd March 2012 01:09 PM

When I first saw the covers, I was like,

"Ayu, what has become of you....."

I felt devastated; they are sort of trashy, and so unlike anything she's ever done before. Not that I'm not a fan of change, but these images are just so self-destructive...
Even reading Ayu's tweets, it didn't really change my opinion on them. I felt as if the concept just wasn't there...
Two days later, looking back upon them...I realized. This is EXACTLY what she wants me to think and feel!!!
Now I actually quite enjoy them.
The concept is brilliant.

Once you understand it, it all comes together.

Yumi(e) 3rd March 2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2825250)
Her arm is behind a table leg in the CD+2DVD and her face isn't photoshopped that much. The original NOT retouched version can be found in her TeamAyu blog entry and it's really not that different.
http://i.imgur.com/M53Is.jpg

Well... a little bit photoshopped...
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5048/sinttulo2kh.jpg

The part of the jaw is not very retouched, but in the original photograph is not so "straight".

Yeah... i have too much free time... xD

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 01:20 PM

The things you pointed out seem to mostly be contrast adjustments though, which was needed so her eyes and nails wouldn't completely pale with the increased brightness. I'm happy there isn't a crazy amount on actual "making Ayu look better" photoshop.

Tom Punks 3rd March 2012 03:10 PM

They changed the shape of her neck. That's the main thing they changed really (aside from contrast).

toniayu 3rd March 2012 03:25 PM

I had to see the covers coz i was worried about it!!I thought they were horrible and then...just saw them and *O* They're so different...I really like them!!!The CD+2DVD is a bit hot but not bad!!The CD+DVD and CD only are perfect!!!
And they have a meaning,that's even better!
*I'm your party queen~*
edit: and...porn movie?What the hell?She looks sexy but not trashy and dirty >_<

Chibi-Chan 3rd March 2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tasking (Post 2825550)
Timmy posted isthisLOL's blog on Facebook... I guess that means he joined AHS?

Poor guy, there were not only bad comments about Ayu on ahs, but also some very mean about Timmy. It's one thing to say you don't like the work of someone, but to be so rude and mean is a no go, even in the internet. You never know if the person you're talking about will come across this. I hope he doesn't take it to heart, 'cos I'm sure I would and it would really upset me.

attractive nausea 3rd March 2012 03:50 PM

^^ i'm glad i'm not the only one who looked at them even though i wasn't supposed to~~ yeah same here at first i saw all these comments "omg horrible covers wtf was going through her mind when she shot them" and i got sooo freaked out but then i decided to look at them, i instantly loved them and was so relieved haha.

toniayu 3rd March 2012 04:07 PM

^aww!!I wanna hug you ^_^ We're the party Queen & King~hahahahahahaha

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 04:18 PM

^^ I thought it was already confirmed that he joined up here a few months ago...
I surprised he has stayed if he has... half the people here don't like him and say some of the nastiest things about him and ayu...
Bah! And they call themselves fans... it's horrible really.

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 04:22 PM

Was it really confirmed? I figured h might have found the blog post on twitter or someone else's facebook.

kendelle 3rd March 2012 04:43 PM

^ Not confirmed, just a possibility at this stage.

People don't have to laud praise on everything Ayu does to be a fan...it's like people saying A-listers on meth were "awesome" and great role-models...or parents who don't teach kids not to steal, cheat or lie because they'd hurt the kids feelings if they made them feel bad.

People can like and love something while also seeing what they think are flaws. They aren't less of a fan for doing so. Quite frankly, I think Timmy's "drunk" tweet about the covers was totally uncalled for. He's a composer, not her media adviser of promotional coordinator and being rude to people saying they didn't get the tabloid parody was way, way out of line.

I asked in the PQ cover release thread, the last discussion thread and here as well - nobody can tell me why I'm less of a fan because I don't laud praise on everything 100% of the time. I think I've been pretty supportive of Ayu in the past. Even when I hate this cover I still want her to do well and feel better. I'm less of a fan because..................????

Isicio 3rd March 2012 04:47 PM

I want the covers in HQ :3

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendelle (Post 2825672)
^ Not confirmed, just a possibility at this stage.

People don't have to laud praise on everything Ayu does to be a fan...it's like people saying A-listers on meth were "awesome" and great role-models...or parents who don't teach kids not to steal, cheat or lie because they'd hurt the kids feelings if they made them feel bad.

People can like and love something while also seeing what they think are flaws. They aren't less of a fan for doing so. Quite frankly, I think Timmy's "drunk" tweet about the covers was totally uncalled for. He's a composer, not her media adviser of promotional coordinator and being rude to people saying they didn't get the tabloid parody was way, way out of line.

I asked in the PQ cover release thread, the last discussion thread and here as well - nobody can tell me why I'm less of a fan because I don't laud praise on everything 100% of the time. I think I've been pretty supportive of Ayu in the past. Even when I hate this cover I still want her to do well and feel better. I'm less of a fan because..................????

People like you aren't the problem. The problem are the people that flat out called Ayu "****ty", "trashy" and things like that.

Coelacanth 3rd March 2012 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2825687)
People like you aren't the problem. The problem are the people that flat out called Ayu "****ty", "trashy" and things like that.

Yeah, and I honestly don't think Timmy's tweet was uncalled for. It was the "trashy" comments that probably set him off. Timmy worked closely on this album, he has a right to defend it imo. Unprofessional perhaps, but I can absolutely understand his frustration.

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 05:19 PM

^ thank you. I was going to say something like that.
It's not about liking or disliking something.
Calling her trashy or pornstar or just the numerous other things that people have come up with is uncalled for.
There is a difference between someone giving an opinion and someone just being a ***.

xLuna&1LOVE 3rd March 2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2825687)
People like you aren't the problem. The problem are the people that flat out called Ayu "****ty", "trashy" and things like that.

... Eh. Okay, maybe I am totally missing a certain point here or I am dumb.

For example: I did not like the covers. Must say that it's okay now and I start to tolerate them. Personally I thought the covers were a bit cheap, very different and I guess they shocked me for the first time. But I guess that people did call ayu ****ty or trashy, because she did look like 'that' in the covers in their opinion. What I actually try to say: they are commenting on Ayus work. Not on Ayu herself! Is that a bad thing?

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 06:15 PM

This is ayumi's work and hence is a part of her. Like I said before there is a difference between giving an opinion and throwing around names because you dont like something.
That's not an opinion it is gross and childish.

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 06:16 PM

When somebody calls a cover "****ty" or "trashy" it will ALWAYS be an attack on the person portayed at the same time, even when not intended as such. It's just strong, personal words, they are usually applied to a person, not a piece of art. I can see how people can only mean the covers themselves, not Ayumi as person, but it's always taken as that because of the choice of words.

RayJason 3rd March 2012 06:20 PM

In my opinion I don't really care if people called ayu trashy or said that she looks like a ****. Everyone has their right on expressing theirselves, and if that's the way that they want to do it, so be it... It's extreme to say that ayu's trashy or a **** but it's not when people say it because of her work (what she portrays, not who she is)..

Like; tolerable: 'omfg sl*tty pose ayu! / that's a trashy photoshoot' and intolerable: 'ayu ur a sl*ut / omg hooker'. But thats my opinion. :)

xLuna&1LOVE 3rd March 2012 06:25 PM

Hmm. In uni they learn us to create a distance between the artist and his/her work. Also, the opinions on the Party Queen covers, even when they are hurting/childish/attacking/stupid etc. are just on the covers themselves. Yeah, Ayu is the star on them, but I have only seen comments of fans here who say that she LOOKS like that. Not that Ayu is trashy/****ty etc. And here we are with our 'distance' between artist and his/her work. At least, I do see that distance.

EDIT:
On the other hand; i guess there is a right point there isthisLOL and teamayu are reffering too. For example: when we see a girl or so at facebook in a ... tricky pose(?) it invites us to judge that girl immediately. I guess... you see that judgement also happen with Ayu and her Party Queen covers right now, isn't that true? The only difference is: even it is not really tolerable to call a girl a **** or so because of her photo: Ayumi is an artist. And when have admired Ayu for a long time, I guess they are only commenting that nasty because of the covers. It certainly does not have to mean they think Ayu is personally a ****/trashy ***** etc. Because... they know she is not.

channy 3rd March 2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 2825532)
Coloured contacts make your eyes lifeless and empty - doll like most of the time.
I didn't see any so far which hadn't that effect, especially japanese ones with exotic colours.

Problem is, that uber-big circle lenses seem to be still a big trend in Asia, and it often let the girl/guy who's wearing them, look like an alien.

Big, all-black circle lenses do even make some people look high, as if they had some weed (no joke, I mean it!).

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Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2825735)
I have only seen comments of fans here who say that she LOOKS like that. Not that Ayu is trashy/****ty etc. And here we are with our 'distance' between artist and his/her work. At least, I do see that distance

Yepp, same here.

JackieRos 3rd March 2012 07:16 PM

I still don't see the sadness in the covers but whatever I don't really care.
I'm not going to try and find a deep meaning into them because I don't see it.

I like them so I'm not complaining.

love in music 3rd March 2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2825724)
... Eh. Okay, maybe I am totally missing a certain point here or I am dumb.

For example: I did not like the covers. Must say that it's okay now and I start to tolerate them. Personally I thought the covers were a bit cheap, very different and I guess they shocked me for the first time. But I guess that people did call ayu ****ty or trashy, because she did look like 'that' in the covers in their opinion. What I actually try to say: they are commenting on Ayus work. Not on Ayu herself! Is that a bad thing?

nope that's not bad. but there were people here not just commenting on ayu's work and insulting her personally saying she threw her dignity away and such and that she's not the same person anymore and they can't respect her anymore, etc.

truehappiness 3rd March 2012 07:39 PM

The only thing I'm concerned about really are people who cannot import the album because customs might think it's something that it isn't.

It's interesting to see people backtracking on how they feel about the album.

Congrats to isthisLOL? for getting reposted on Timmy's Facebook!

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 3rd March 2012 07:51 PM

I don't care what people say, but Timmy's "drunk" tweet (lamest excuse, btw) was completely uncalled for even if he did work on the songs. It didn't affect me at all personally, but it was quite condescending to fans. While the concept behind the cover was meant to be subtle, Ayu had to explain it. That doesn't make the fanbase stupid for not "getting" it.

That said, I love the covers! I was shocked at first but its kind of cool that Ayu's doing this. She's effin' hawt!

People who are **** shaming her for being the Panty Queen need to reevaluate their lives.

truehappiness 3rd March 2012 07:53 PM

We don't even really know how or why he said that though. It could have been directed at some plant that he has in his house for all we know.

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 07:57 PM

I cant believe this... lol, the irony... people are upset over the fact that timmy said something negative about all the negative feedback...
So everyone things they have the right to say what ever they want about the covers but Timmy cant saying anything back...
wow... just... wow.

BlackSilence 3rd March 2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2825724)
... Eh. Okay, maybe I am totally missing a certain point here or I am dumb.

For example: I did not like the covers. Must say that it's okay now and I start to tolerate them. Personally I thought the covers were a bit cheap, very different and I guess they shocked me for the first time. But I guess that people did call ayu ****ty or trashy, because she did look like 'that' in the covers in their opinion. What I actually try to say: they are commenting on Ayus work. Not on Ayu herself! Is that a bad thing?

Just one of those....I did say that she looks like that on the covers, I could never ever call her as BEING trashy, cuz that's the whole different thing....and she's nowhere even close to that..:tired

also I can totally understand his frustration, like HOW CAN U NOT GET THE FREAKING IDEA HERE... the difference is he is in the inside, we are on the outside, it's hard to see beyond especially with fishy stuff like that...not everyone can see deeper...

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 3rd March 2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825770)
I cant believe this... lol, the irony... people are upset over the fact that timmy said something negative about all the negative feedback...
So everyone things they have the right to say what ever they want about the covers but Timmy cant saying anything back...
wow... just... wow.

He basically complained because "we" didn't see the concept of the covers.
It was condescending, and like others have said it really isn't his place to be outraged. You don't see HAL being mad at people for thinking MY ALL's composition is crap or whatever.

relmy 3rd March 2012 08:05 PM

My main problem with Timmy's tweet isn't what he said, when I first saw it I thought he was hyping up the mystery, not going off on one. People were upset by it though, and I think in his situation it's very hard. He and Ayu are close friends as well as colleagues, and considering that Twitter is so public, anything he says becomes a reflection on Ayu.

On the issue of the concept. I do like the covers, especially the LE, and they do look like parodies of magazine covers (albeit done very badly), considering we've only found the hints of "sad queen" in them after having it explains, shows a certain failure of concept. To be fair, I can only see it in the CD only. Of course, I think the titles alone show how the album will progress, and it fits the theme of a sad queen. Judging the covers alone though, they're not her most solid concept wise, she's looking really good on the LE edition though.

'a cup of tea' needs to be a morning after song. Tea and hangovers, story of my life.

Andrenekoi 3rd March 2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher (Post 2825775)
He basically complained because "we" didn't see the concept of the covers.
It was condescending, and like others have said it really isn't his place to be outraged. You don't see HAL being mad at people for thinking MY ALL's composition is crap or whatever.

And did people twitted Ayu or HAL to make sure her team would know some people think the song is crap?

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher (Post 2825775)
He basically complained because "we" didn't see the concept of the covers.
It was condescending, and like others have said it really isn't his place to be outraged. You don't see HAL being mad at people for thinking MY ALL's composition is crap or whatever.

So? Your point? You are still saying he cant complain even though you can.
and bringing other people into this that don't complain is just plain stupid. HAL most likely is like ayumi when it comes to people complaining about his work. He doesn't care what you think.
Timmy is new to the scene and is mostly likely hurt.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 3rd March 2012 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825777)
And did people twitted Ayu or HAL to make sure her team would know some people think the song is crap?

Not that I know of, though its beside the point.

When someone in an artist's team does that to fans, **** will hit the fan.
I understand him being mad at people calling Ayu a **************, but it was directed at fans for not understanding the concept. I mean, its not like his plants listen to albums or anything... Who else would THAT be directed to?

@TA2004: basically, yes. I'm a fan, I support Ayumi by buying her albums.
He composes, but that's it. He knows he's in the wrong because he made a lame excuse. He is supposed to be a professional, and it reflects badly on Ayu when someone in her team acts no better than a stan.

truehappiness 3rd March 2012 08:19 PM

Quote:

I understand him being mad at people calling Ayu a **************, but it was directed at fans for not understanding the concept. I mean, its not like his plants listen to albums or anything... Who else would THAT be directed to?
People say some weird things when they're drunk?

I just think that we don't really know what he saw or why he posted that so there's no reason to assume that he came here or whatever and saw the reaction.

xLuna&1LOVE 3rd March 2012 08:23 PM

Let's assume he learned to live with it, so that's why he used that lame excuse.

He is a newbie after all, but I must say - the PQ coverconcept aside - he has done great things. And I think he was also a nice add to the live tour. That would be the main reason why I would 'forgive' him for being like 'that.' It does not really matter if he was drunk or not: it's no fun when you are aware of the 'hate' for something you have made or have been a part of.
His reaction was understandable.

But... our reaction or this so-called 'hate' could have been seen as 'understandable' as well for him. And no, I am not talking about very extreme comments.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 3rd March 2012 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2825783)
People say some weird things when they're drunk?

I just think that we don't really know what he saw or why he posted that so there's no reason to assume that he came here or whatever and saw the reaction.

with the outrage over the covers, you still don't know why?
Its pretty apparent in the tweet...

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher (Post 2825781)

@TA2004: basically, yes. I'm a fan, I support Ayumi by buying her albums.
He composes, but that's it. He knows he's in the wrong because he made a lame excuse. He is supposed to be a professional, and it reflects badly on Ayu when someone in her team acts no better than a stan.

No... just no.
Just because you are a fan and he works for the company does not give you special privileges to say whatever you want and not have someone reply.
that is stupid. He can say whatever he wants and if you dont like it, well, maybe you shouldn't be saying anything negative to begin with.
If you can't handle it than dont dish it.

Tom Punks 3rd March 2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825787)
No... just no.
Just because you are a fan and he works for the company does not give you special privileges to say whatever you want and not have someone reply.
that is stupid. He can say whatever he wants and if you dont like it, well, maybe you shouldn't be saying anything negative to begin with.
If you can't handle it than dont dish it.

But comatosebunnysnatcher is right. Timmy can't just go around saying "anything he wants" when it comes to Ayu and her fans. He's a part of Ayu's team now, and his actions and behavior have the potential to reflect poorly on Ayu, especially in an extremely group oriented country like Japan. Besides, this isn't just some hobby for him; being part of Ayu's team as her composer is his job, and you need to act professionally when your job is involved.

hidekirby 3rd March 2012 08:55 PM

What a bunch of drama queens seriously.
Some of you better get a life besides ayu.
Let some say what they want to say, don't start another useless argument on 10 pages please...
Those covers are controversial to begin with. Deal with some ""rude"" comments. :rolleyes

Deep snow 3rd March 2012 09:02 PM

"I am your Drama Queeeeee~n"

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2825797)
But comatosebunnysnatcher is right. Timmy can't just go around saying "anything he wants" when it comes to Ayu and her fans. He's a part of Ayu's team now, and his actions and behavior have the potential to reflect poorly on Ayu, especially in an extremely group oriented country like Japan. Besides, this isn't just some hobby for him; being part of Ayu's team as her composer is his job, and you need to act professionally when your job is involved.

No. i think you are misunderstanding me. Im not saying what he did was right. But people can not be surprised at him being upset. And to say he cant say anything when he can is just stupid.

Furthermore I don't think it is unprofessional at all to defend your work or the people you work for.

hidekirby 3rd March 2012 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep snow (Post 2825801)
"I am your Drama Queeeeee~n"

:laugh It should be the real title of this arubamu!

RayJason 3rd March 2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 2825799)
What a bunch of drama queens seriously.
Some of you better get a life besides ayu.
Let some say what they want to say, don't start another useless argument on 10 pages please...
Those covers are controversial to begin with. Deal with some ""rude"" comments. :rolleyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep snow (Post 2825801)
"I am your Drama Queeeeee~n"

:yes:yes:yes YES.

Tom Punks 3rd March 2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825803)
No. i think you are misunderstanding me. Im not saying what he did was right. But people can not be surprised at him being upset. And to say he cant say anything when he can is just stupid.

Furthermore I don't think it is unprofessional at all to defend your work or the people you work for.

lol Okay, let me put it this way: obviously he CAN say what he wants, it's not like there's some weird force at work that makes it impossible for him to say certain things, BUT that doesn't mean that it's not unprofessional or that it can't have any negative repercussions.

I did not say it's unprofessional to defend your work. I said you have to be professional when dealing with your work. The way he worded his tweet was what made it unprofessional, not the fact that he tried to defend it.

So, no, I didn't misunderstand you; I think you're just looking at this from a naive point of view.

Onton 3rd March 2012 09:23 PM

Seriously I can't see there is any problem with Timmy.
I wish there are more people can speak up for Ayu.
We have the rights to criticize Ayu and at the same time I wish Ayu
sometime can defend herself and tell us why she would make that move.
Which she not usually does that. So Im glad that she got timmy to speak up for her.
They way he twit can be better but I appreciate his intention..

Bad Wolf 3rd March 2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825777)
And did people twitted Ayu or HAL to make sure her team would know some people think the song is crap?

Good point.

People should expect these sorts of things to happen with the changes in social networks and whatnot. Plus, Timmy can have his opinions about our opinions, just like we have opinions about his, etc. Rant off about it however you please, but we should also realise that we probably sound just as annoying to him as he might seem to us.

relmy 3rd March 2012 09:51 PM

To be honest, I wouldn't care if Ayu had said what Timmy said (I would be shocked though lol), because it's her work and a comment directed at her fans. She would have taken the repercussion from her action. We're not Timmy's fanbase, nor is Party Queen his product, but what he says will reflect badly on him AND Ayu, which is what I have a problem with.

But eh, when I read it I thought he was hyping up the ~mystery~ of the Party Queen persona. Reading comprehension failure on my part or fans being drama llamas?

Tom Punks 3rd March 2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by relmy (Post 2825818)
But eh, when I read it I thought he was hyping up the ~mystery~ of the Party Queen persona. Reading comprehension failure on my part or fans being drama llamas?

That's what I thought the first time I read it, but since he tweeted his "I was drunk so I might have attacked the fans" excuse, I'm guessing he was reacting to fans' reactions, not building hype.

emi♡ 3rd March 2012 09:54 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry. But people in the public eye ALWAYS have to be careful.

Unless they want to start looking like Riri or Chris Brown :shrug

I mean, I'm happy that we all feel we're mature enough to actually understand what Timmy means when he makes comments....but a lot of people might not take it that way. Some people would see it reflecting badly on her.

Maybe we shouldn't care. idk.

TeamAyu2004 3rd March 2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2825809)
lol Okay, let me put it this way: obviously he CAN say what he wants, it's not like there's some weird force at work that makes it impossible for him to say certain things, BUT that doesn't mean that it's not unprofessional or that it can't have any negative repercussions.

I did not say it's unprofessional to defend your work. I said you have to be professional when dealing with your work. The way he worded his tweet was what made it unprofessional, not the fact that he tried to defend it.

So, no, I didn't misunderstand you; I think you're just looking at this from a naive point of view.

clearly you dont understand what im talking about... there really is no point trying to talk to you. you have your narrow opinion on the subject and i have my more open opinion on it.
nuff said.

Does anyone have any ideas if they plan on releasing any cms for this or not?
it would be rather interesting what they plan to do since we haven't really had any singles.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 3rd March 2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825787)
No... just no.
Just because you are a fan and he works for the company does not give you special privileges to say whatever you want and not have someone reply.
that is stupid. He can say whatever he wants and if you dont like it, well, maybe you shouldn't be saying anything negative to begin with.
If you can't handle it than dont dish it.

You're REALLY going there?

So basically if I don't like something I should shut up and ignore it. Yeah, really smart there.
The last time in history that happened it lead to a massacre, which shows what a completely STUPID way of thinking that is.
I am the one giving Avex my money, OF COURSE I will complain if I don't like something. It is my right, because I'm giving them my money and their product isn't exactly cheap.
Timmy needs to act like a professional and not throw a stan-worthy *****fit. He looks ridiculous and it makes Ayu look bad.
I really hope YOU are ignorant and not just stupid because your logic is severely flawed.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 3rd March 2012 11:28 PM

I haven't bothered to read most of the posts since the covers were revealed, but I just have this to say:

If you wanna talk ****, hate just to be a hater, or dislike the covers for no real reason (or just because they're sexual...so what? they have a brilliant concept behind them, it works), then you deserve to be called out by someone like Timmy, or even ayu.

Smh...this is too much over some damn covers.

RayJason 3rd March 2012 11:38 PM

No more popcorn left. NOOOOOOOOOOO :( :(

Tom Punks 3rd March 2012 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825834)
clearly you dont understand what im talking about... there really is no point trying to talk to you. you have your narrow opinion on the subject and i have my more open opinion on it.
nuff said.

Sweetie, I don't think YOU even understand what you're talking about. :)

Pieces_of_SEVEN 3rd March 2012 11:45 PM

So I ordered the boxset, and I'm wondering, do you guys think that the CD+2DVD that will be inside will be the first-press edition? With the "special case and DVD packaging"? Hm...

Heavenly 3rd March 2012 11:48 PM

^Normally yes, since the CDL's DVD is displayed separately in the box (obviously).

isthisLOL? 3rd March 2012 11:52 PM

I'm still wondering how that special first press packaging actually looks like...so far all I've seen is seperate photos of the normally packaged CD+DVD and a seemingly normally packaged DVD, will there be some kind of box both are in?

Andrenekoi 3rd March 2012 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher (Post 2825836)
You're REALLY going there?

So basically if I don't like something I should shut up and ignore it. Yeah, really smart there.
The last time in history that happened it lead to a massacre, which shows what a completely STUPID way of thinking that is.
I am the one giving Avex my money, OF COURSE I will complain if I don't like something. It is my right, because I'm giving them my money and their product isn't exactly cheap.
Timmy needs to act like a professional and not throw a stan-worthy *****fit. He looks ridiculous and it makes Ayu look bad.
I really hope YOU are ignorant and not just stupid because your logic is severely flawed.

If you think that non complaining about an album cover will open doors to massacre, I have to say u have a limited vision of world politics...

And if u disliked the product, just don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you and not buying something u disliked is the biggest complain u can make about it, cuz is the only one that trully afects the industry.

Even disliking the product don't really give u rights to disrespect the people behind it... And this is the major point here, a lot of people are using social media to make not so polite comments about the releases... Timmy got angered this time, Ayu got angered about it a lot in the past. If people are offending Ayu (and they do are sometimes), the most unprofessional Timmy looks replying to those people, it still shows how much passion and appreciation he has for his job, his friend Ayumi and the work put into her releases.

If u compleined to Ayu about the covers as polite as u was on your last post, Timmy could punch u on the face and I would still support him...

Pieces_of_SEVEN 3rd March 2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 2825850)
^Normally yes, since the CDL's DVD is displayed separately in the box (obviously).

OK...because I was considering ordering another version, and I figured I'd get the CD+2DVD since it's the only one that has a first-press edition. But I guess I'll get one (or both) of the other editions, so I have all the covers. ^_^

RayJason 4th March 2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825853)
If u compleined to Ayu about the covers as polite as u was on your last post, Timmy could punch u on the face and I would still support him...

(If Timmy could punch you in your face for being such an annoying (and offending) smartass, I would immediately become Timmy's fan and force myself to love BRILLANTE. :love)

TeamAyu2004 4th March 2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 2825848)
So I ordered the boxset, and I'm wondering, do you guys think that the CD+2DVD that will be inside will be the first-press edition? With the "special case and DVD packaging"? Hm...

Im confused... are they normally different?
And what would be the difference between he first press and anything else after that?

Andrenekoi 4th March 2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RayJason (Post 2825855)
(If Timmy could punch you in your face for being such an annoying (and offending) smartass, I would immediately become Timmy's fan and force myself to love BRILLANTE. :love)

I think u need a hug, definitelly...:yes

Bad Wolf 4th March 2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 2825850)
^Normally yes, since the CDL's DVD is displayed separately in the box (obviously).

Okay this just made me all the more excited for my purchase~

Pieces_of_SEVEN 4th March 2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825860)
Im confused... are they normally different?
And what would be the difference between he first press and anything else after that?

Well idk...I mean we only have the R'n'RC boxset to compare it to...and the only thing different with the CD+DVD in that one is the color of the OBI, I believe. :)

Deep snow 4th March 2012 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 2825804)
:laugh It should be the real title of this arubamu!

What if "Drama Queen" is the title ayu was aiming at, but she didn't want to make it too obvious, so BAM! Party Queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. BXTCH IS A GENIUS.

Oh no I just called her a bxtch. AHS will be the death of me.

LeeLeeNeko 4th March 2012 12:24 AM

It's actually said on the website that the CD+2DVD edition included in the boxsets is the first press.
It would've been weird if not seeing the price anyway lol

Pieces_of_SEVEN 4th March 2012 12:30 AM

^^ahh great, thanks for the confirmation!

happiholic★ 4th March 2012 12:45 AM

I don't even care about Timmy's original comments, I just don't think he should have tried to cover his comments up by saying he was drunk. IMO, he should have either stick by his comments or said "What I said was out of line" and not involved alcohol to save face.

I think that if Party Queen covers didn't look like they were done by a high schooler, but used the same concept and ideas, they would have been received better. I mean, I don't see the sadness that in her eyes that's supposed to be there, but I would have loved it the covers didn't look so amateur. I've waited so long to see Ayu looking sexy on an album cover!!!!

Yumsushi 4th March 2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825853)
If you think that non complaining about an album cover will open doors to massacre, I have to say u have a limited vision of world politics...

And if u disliked the product, just don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you and not buying something u disliked is the biggest complain u can make about it, cuz is the only one that trully afects the industry.

Even disliking the product don't really give u rights to disrespect the people behind it... And this is the major point here, a lot of people are using social media to make not so polite comments about the releases... Timmy got angered this time, Ayu got angered about it a lot in the past. If people are offending Ayu (and they do are sometimes), the most unprofessional Timmy looks replying to those people, it still shows how much passion and appreciation he has for his job, his friend Ayumi and the work put into her releases.

If u compleined to Ayu about the covers as polite as u was on your last post, Timmy could punch u on the face and I would still support him...

So its the fans fault that Timmy was whining like a little girl? I don't know what kind of comments forced his response but no matter, I would think that he or anyone representing an major artist like Ayu should have more tact and know how to stay professional in the face of criticism. If he can't stay professional, then he should definitely leave the commenting to Ayu since she knows how to get her point across without looking like an idiot. Similar to how your post lose all credibility by calling for people to be punched in the face, joking or not.

@isthisLOL? I read your blog, but I think the Step you/playboy correlation was farfetched. You really didn't need to add it because everything else you mentioned in the post supports your point.

Andrenekoi 4th March 2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2825881)
So its the fans fault that Timmy was whining like a little girl? I don't know what kind of comments forced his response but no matter, I would think that he or anyone representing an major artist like Ayu should have more tact and know how to stay professional in the face of criticism. If he can't stay professional, then he should definitely leave the commenting to Ayu since she knows how to get her point across without looking like an idiot. Similar to how your post lose all credibility by calling for people to be punched in the face, joking or not.

@isthisLOL? I read your blog, but I think the Step you/playboy correlation was farfetched. You really didn't need to add it because everything else you mentioned in the post supports your point.


It doesn't matter how wrong Timmy is, people who started complaining some times weren't right either... I can't see how people act as Timmy killed a puppy or two while nobody care that, AGAIN, the fans were totally out of their right of expressing themselves on very rude ways.

Last year a-nation... the MSta live... and now this... Can't get it. I'm starting to believe that Ayu's western fanbase is just plain retarted.

TeamAyu2004 4th March 2012 01:14 AM

^ I have come to experience that the western fanbase is really hateful when it comes to Ayu. I have never experienced anything like it.
it's sad really..
I'm glad the western end of things isn't Ayumi's bigger fan base or she might of quite a long time ago.

Yumsushi 4th March 2012 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825883)
It doesn't matter how wrong Timmy is, people who started complaining some times weren't right either... I can't see how people act as Timmy killed a puppy or two while nobody care that, AGAIN, the fans were totally out of their right of expressing themselves on very rude ways.

Last year a-nation... the MSta live... and now this... Can't get it. I'm starting to believe that Ayu's western fanbase is just plain retarted.

The word retarded is really inappropriate to use, I'll ignore your use of it for the moment and assume you meant no ill will and move on.

I disagree with you, Ayu and her team can't control an entire fanbase, but they can control how to deal with them. This is why artists have PR personnel who are trained and very well paid. He clearly has no such training and so he should not be speaking to her fans. Fans found his response offensive, and they have every right to be upset that some nobody was swearing at them and essentially calling them stupid for not understanding some deep concept for a poorly conceived project. I never said the fans were right if they were rude, I emphasized that he should have restraint and tact. You seem intent on defending his childish outburst, I don't know why. If anything, it seems like you are the one making a mountain out of a molehill by taking some deluded higher moral ground and painting this entire fanbase the same color.

Edit: weren't the fans that freaked out over a nation the Japanese fans?

hidekirby 4th March 2012 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2825883)
I'm starting to believe that Ayu's western fanbase is just plain retarted.

And that's not rude at all. Welcome to the team!

You know ayu is an adult, she doesn't need you to defend her everytime someone is saying something bad about her, nor she needs a drunk Tim to tweet.
Of course there is different ways to say things. But a lot of people are overreacting (both sides).

Peace.

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2825888)
The word retarded is really inappropriate to use, I'll ignore your use of it for the moment and assume you meant no ill will and move on.

I disagree with you, Ayu and her team can't control an entire fanbase, but they can control how to deal with them. This is why artists have PR personnel who are trained and very well paid. He clearly has no such training and so he should not be speaking to her fans. Fans found his response offensive, and they have every right to be upset that some nobody was swearing at them and essentially calling them stupid for not understanding some deep concept for a poorly conceived project. I never said the fans were right if they were rude, I emphasized that he should have restraint and tact. You seem intent on defending his childish outburst, I don't know why. If anything, it seems like you are the one making a mountain out of a molehill by taking some deluded higher moral ground and painting this entire fanbase the same color.

Sometimes I wish I would be good at English because I could say beautiful things like this! Thank you, you spoke for me!

chocopockymaster 4th March 2012 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2825888)
I disagree with you, Ayu and her team can't control an entire fanbase, but they can control how to deal with them. This is why artists have PR personnel who are trained and very well paid. He clearly has no such training and so he should not be speaking to her fans. Fans found his response offensive, and they have every right to be upset that some nobody was swearing at them and essentially calling them stupid for not understanding some deep concept for a poorly conceived project. I never said the fans were right if they were rude, I emphasized that he should have restraint and tact. You seem intent on defending his childish outburst, I don't know why. If anything, it seems like you are the one making a mountain out of a molehill by taking some deluded higher moral ground and painting this entire fanbase the same color.

:syeah

If you narrow-minded asshats want to label me an antifan or what the hell ever because I criticize Ayu for something that I feel wasn't executed well, go right ahead. I don't need any validation from you. I know that my qualms are legitimate and if I had to choose being able to analyze her work from different angles or being a blindly-loyal stan that just wants to crawl up Ayu's ass and stay there, I'd choose to stay the way I am, any day of the week. It doesn't mean I'm negative. It means I have brain cells.

As far as Timmy's response on twitter goes, he's an absolute idiot for saying anything about it in the first place, and his "ohmygod I was sooo drunk" excuse is the oldest one in the book. Really now? Come on. Stick to your day job, Timmy. Oh wait, I forgot...you're not good at that, either. :rolleyes

isthisLOL? 4th March 2012 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2825881)
@isthisLOL? I read your blog, but I think the Step you/playboy correlation was farfetched. You really didn't need to add it because everything else you mentioned in the post supports your point.

I don't think so actually. Playboy photoshoots usually have very high production qualities, they hire great photographers for them, make great sets and they tend to at least start off rather classy, but sexual. Just like STEP you. The photoshoot looked a whole lot like something that would appear in the clothed parts of Playboy. The Playboy comparison was no insult, though some people may think of it as one. I really respect some Playboy photographers for their work.

emi♡ 4th March 2012 01:48 AM

I think it's pretty obvious that western fans would be more susceptible to negative comments....because for most of us, we go more out of our way to be fans compared to her eastern fanbase anyway.

It's something so small, but is so ingrained, it can manifest in many different ways.


and...Playboy photos are great :laugh In their relative world, they're quite classy.

I find the Timmy hate disconcerting. He's barely even done anything tbh...He hasn't even come near the level of Shuya yet imo.

AND he's bridged so many things...and talked to us, and he's never been anything but cool. And now, we figure out, oh, he's a real person with a big personality and opinions, and people can't even handle it.

Just like they probably can't handle Ayu is a real human being. She's not as plastic as she looks okay. Don't like her? idk, go away?


It's like, you know, I like Riri's music. But I hate that *****. So you know what I do? I don't follow her anywhere :laugh Distance, embrace it.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 4th March 2012 01:59 AM

I don't think that there are more western haters AT ALL ... there are probably MORE haters in Japan...they don't just come to AHS. This is mostly a site for the western fans. I know, as fickle as people can be in Japan, especially regarding music, plenty of people are *****ing and complaining for no reason.

I'm #teamtimmy. tell these *****es lol

If you really think ayu would sell out NOW and resort to this image JUST to get better sales, you're not very bright. She doesn't care about her sales at this point, only her music and her fans.

FANS. NOT pseudo-fans.

truehappiness 4th March 2012 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2825852)
I'm still wondering how that special first press packaging actually looks like...so far all I've seen is seperate photos of the normally packaged CD+DVD and a seemingly normally packaged DVD, will there be some kind of box both are in?

I think they might be in some sort of shrinkwrappy sleeve deal but the size of a regular CD+DVD album and the size of a DVD are just too different...

Maybe the CD+DVD will have a cardboard outer case a la Mirrorcle World/Days/GREEN? That's the only way I can see them making the CD sized case and the DVD sized case work together.

ownsarai 4th March 2012 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2825408)
I wrote an article on why exactly I like the cover and as a response to some of the arguments used against it on my new blog(ironically as my first post since I was really thinking about those covers a lot lately...) since I felt like I wasn't really able to express it right in here without offending people
http://boldlydelicious.wordpress.com...tans-real-mad/

Just a note: That post is not directed at everybody disliking the covers. I can understand and respect disliking them if you just genuinely think they don't look good.

Absolutely awesome read. I am so glad someone finally spelled it out for people who don't/didn't understand. Thank you so much for writing this, it really needed to be said.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 4th March 2012 02:11 AM

^^I agree, I enjoyed the article too.

I LOVE that she basically said this album is Duty part II. How ****ing amazing is that

TeamAyu2004 4th March 2012 02:17 AM

I hope the songs a little bit more though.
I love duty. I think it is my 2nd fav album, but I want more dance tracks...
and.. I don't know.. i just feel like hurting myself after listening to the album, it is so sad!

SURREAL__RAINBOW 4th March 2012 02:24 AM

LESS DRAMA AND MORE NEW INFO PLEASE.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 4th March 2012 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2825912)
I hope the songs a little bit more though.
I love duty. I think it is my 2nd fav album, but I want more dance tracks...
and.. I don't know.. i just feel like hurting myself after listening to the album, it is so sad!

It'll definitely be a little dance-y, I think, but just Duty in terms of lyrical content and feelings of the album maybe?

truehappiness 4th March 2012 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2825918)
LESS DRAMA AND MORE NEW INFO PLEASE.

Unfortunately, I think we'll only be getting new info at around this time next week from the TA LIMITED PREVIEW unless they somehow tack on new PVs or have some other items to announce. (Actually, the Party Queen photobook and LIFE STYLE BOOK have yet to be announced on the official site beyond the 'planning' and they're still going to come out on March 21st...)


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