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^ A COMPLETE came out in 2008, one year after A BEST 2. To me it was a disaster, cause I think A COMPLETE would have sold much more if it were released some years later...
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Haha, you're right, I messed up the dates. Still impressive that both best-of albums (seeing A Best 2 as one) sold that much, even though fans bought a lot of the songs 2x.
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It was risky, it also could sell less because ayu started to decrease more in sales on that time.
A COMPLETE could sell almost 300,000 than the original album (GUILTY) that was released before that so it worked perfectly. If they would wait it might have done 200,000-300,000 over NEXT LEVEL's sales, or worse, so they jumped on the last "momentum". A year before that both A BEST 2 sold over 700,000 which was pretty amazing. I remember some people trolled and said that A BEST 2 flopped, but releasing 2 BESTs on the same date for that time and both sold over 700,000 together was a great fit. |
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http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2015-08-09/ DCT's best album has been on a roll . RIAJ recently certified it Triple Platinum too o_O |
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OH NO. OH NO!!! I feared this could happen...AND IT DID!!!!! :O My goodness...Ayu may have lost her chances of a #1. IN THE LAST DAY!!!!! HOW IN THE WORLD SHE COULD MESS IT UP IN THE LAST POSSIBLE DAY!?!?!?!?!? I...I can't believe this...how????? This has got to be impossible! Another Seahawks-Patriots end-of-Super Bowl moment...? :no Seriously, things have GOT to change. I don't think Avex wasn't aware at this. This could end up going too close to call! :O |
How annoying.
Oh well. We will know who got #1 and #2 tonight. |
DCT: 4,221 + 3,500* + 3,500* + 3,124 + 2,984 + 4,229 + 10,398 = 31,956
(* = estimated) Ayu: 17,315 + 5,232 + 2,809 + 2,097 + 1,749 + 1,500* = 30,702 (* = estimated) She probably lost 1. :( |
As expected SONGS didn't give her any boost as well. TV performances rarely do.
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Ninki for next week:
Albums: 01 44.19 BRAHMAN - Jinmiraisai 02 17.28 Crazy Ken Band - Mou Sukkari Are Nandayone 03 13.61 moumoon - It's Our Time 04 11.36 WHITE JAM - Tokidoki Hero 05 11.30 Vintage Trouble - Kareinaru Trouble It's so funny. Brahman sold 23k with last album in 2013. So if sixxxxxx would have been released a week later... But, for A One, it was the same story. |
oh crap I just checked out the sales, i'm shocked at DCTs 10k... The worst thing is that she fell to #6, I think she could easily guarantee the #1 if she had maintained her #3
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Her episode of SONGS received the lowest rating out of other featured artists. Besides, it's not designed to promote her album anyway. Ayu lost her streak like many years ago so we shouldn't be surprised of the rank, should we? :rolleyes
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Nonetheless, the best promotion is always a 360 where you go all out to TV, Internet and printed media... and somehow I think Avex is not investing that kind of promotion on Ayu anymore :no:no How can DCT suddenly get 10,000 copies sold :shakehead:shakehead!! oh well... that's something Avex should learn next time |
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Aw well, hopefully #2 then.
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well, #2 it is then... DCT and their out-of-nowhere-boosts are certainly going to get first now.
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Ouch, it's so near to get her back to the long lost weekly #1... Disappointed though, I hope sixxxxxx at least let her gain back some Japanese market/fans.
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but, well ganbatte ayu!! |
This is BS. Absolute BS. Now we're going to regret about the Oricon because they do NOT count foreiign sales...
...because if they do, Ayu would've been #1!!! Absolute BS!!! Sorry for the harsh words...but it seems Avex may have overestimated the strength of DCT. I mean...I cannot understand why Ayu blew it up in the final day. Absolute nonsense! I'm still not sure how this ended up a supposedly-to-be-#1-but-blew-it release. A combination of multiple factors? Not going to discuss those factors...but it could've been possible. If sixxxxxx was released ONE WEEK LATER, then it could've been #1. Instead, this year Koda Kumi and Namie Amuro is in the #1 club...without Ayu. Ugh. (>_<) Tough luck on the Ayu camp. I have to wonder once again...has much of Japan lost trust on Ayu...??? |
That drop was scary, but I wasn't expecting her get #1 weekly anyway
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well A One only made it to #4, so :) if you think about it its not bad. Ofcourse #1 would have been amazing! curse this boy band, but the album is bliss, thats all that matters to me
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Yeah, at least she was a strong contender this week. :) Great album nonetheless (imo).
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DCT is doing something to get those boosts. Those numbers are not random enough to warrant normal sales. I've never seen this in the 9+ years I've been watching Oricon numbers. So, what are they doing to get an extra 8k in sales... On a Monday... that Oricon counts as actual sales?
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Anyways, I was right concerning Dreams Come True: we weren't concerned about Sungmo - we, especially I, were concerned about DCT - and how they could spoil Ayu, despite the fact DCT released it LAST MONTH. How crazy the numbers have been selling...and I have a feeling they're going to go #1 next week?! Back to the extra 8,000 in sales...that is ridiculous. Last lap pass on a race that seemed unlikely...but happened. Or a lead that was blown in the final minute of a game... Now what? Are we going to see Ayu haters trolling on her for losing that lead? Like "Ayu's running (the still glitchy) Windows 10 while DCT is running (not as new but more stable) Windows 8.1?" Sorry for the computer analogy, since I'm interested in computers, but I have a feeling Ayu losing the lead to DCT in the final day of counting sales may have attracted Ayu hater trolling... |
DCT is officially #1 with 32k confirmed by Oricon
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Oh, well. #2 it is! I was hoping she'd get #1 even if I just like one song from the album, but the tour really put me in an Ayu-mood. |
Get that top 5 Ayu! Some artists would love for that to happen. A true legend tbh.
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^I've been thinking of Mirrorcle World reading this page also...
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Ugh...DCT upsets Ayu, gets #1. (>_<)
Sorry for all the harsh words, but I think we need a slogan to continue Ayu support even if Ayu doesn't get #1: "If it's not Ayu, then it's not Ayu" It's unfortunate Ayu's greatest chance for #1 this year has been shot down. IN THE LAST DAY!!! You have to give congratulations to DCT though. Ayu isn't as old as DCT...that's why. But there needs to be a way so that Ayu can go back to #1! Although that door is continuing to close against her favor... Well, dog gone it. |
Who cares about the #1 peak aside one user of AHS (we know who,lol)?
Of course if your favourite artist get the No.1 you'll be happy, but I think is more important steady sales. |
^ Yep. I'd rather see her end up at #10 with 100k sold more than at #1 with 30k.
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I still don't understand why DCT still has THAT MUCH fans compared to Ayu. What happened to Ayu's fanbase?????
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Curse you, Dorikamu :tired
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Seriously, who cares if she's number 1 or number 2 if it's just a matter of 1k or so copies? That must be a 2000's fan thing, where yall were going crazy when she started to sell less than 1 million copies :laugh
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I'll blame it on the not so attractive covers ahah
oh well, good enough, at least her sales are now stable, around 30-35k. Not that bad considering the state of the sales overall. |
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That's an insane jump in sales. Are they touring?? Did they appear on a music special or something?
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Also, I'm very curious about why boy bands and j-rock groups are so ridiculously successful compared to solo artists? Are groups generally more interesting in Japan? |
Groups have something for everyone. With a solo artist, you either like them, or you don't. :shrug
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I think that groups don't suffer from the image of an individual group member that much. For example, some people hate Ayu because she is a diva, have (and had) Western boyfriends, a curious marriage ... on the other side, no one would hate a group because one inidvidual member had a curious marriage etc.
It's hard to ruin the image of a group, but easy to ruin the image of a solo artist. If you just don't like one person of a group, you can still focus on the other members. If you just don't like a person who is a solo artist, ... you won't buy the music any longer. In terms of groups, the music is in the public eye. In terms of solo artists, the music and the person is in the public eye. |
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That said it would have been great for sixxxxxx to get #1 but DCT has been around since 1988 . Hates are gonna hate but they're doing something right to sustain so long in popularity , likewise with this new best album of them I rather Ayu lose out to the #1 spot with a respectable artiste rather than someone else . And for those who're bitter about it (especially for someone on AHS who's ALWAYS so particular on every single artiste that has to get #1 on Oricon regardless of which , even for artistes that he don't support/listen) , you should re-evaluate yourself if you're supporting Ayu based on her music , or is it based on how many #1's she had attained in the past ? |
YAY!! Ayu's within the top 3. Praying for 40k. Sixxxxx might sale close to what A One sold. Very excited!!
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So there's still a chance that she will get #1?
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No, oricon already confirmed in a news article that DCT got weekly 1.
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^Ah, thanks. Disappointing for sure, but not too surprising of life changing. :/
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That's so lame that she lost the #1 after so much anticipation. On the bright side, this is her 49th top 10 album! Hopefully the next release will be her 50th!
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^ and Hopefully her next release will top 100K , being #1 or not :D
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^ and while we're dreaming, I'd like a pony for Christmas.
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I'm not sure about another studio album hitting 100k but I do think an A Best 3 or A COMPLETE 2 could even reach 250-300k+ with the right marketing. We'll just have to wait and see i guess lol
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Yeah, we need A BEST 3. We're LONG OVERDUE for that...eight and a half years without a true BEST Ayu album???
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Yeah, for a studio album, it's gonna be almost impossible to reach 100k.
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It reminds me of Ayaka's First Message, which sold like 350k in its first week and went on to sell 1.2 million copies on the long run. We keep seeing A BEST jumping in the charts (even though it's iTunes) every now and then. Why is this different? It sucks because it's not Ayu doing the jump this time, but they do happen. Plus, the market is way different than it was 9-10 years ago. Back then every week was a whole different battlefield. Now it's not uncommon for singles and albums to linger around at the top because it's just a matter of a couple hundred copies. |
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#2 with 30,988 copies sold!
And back to #3 today on Daily Chart with 1,138 copies sold |
I don't even think A BEST 3 would sell over 100k because it would be full of songs nobody from the general public has heard and cared about so what would be the point?
I'm happy she managed to sell over 30k for the first week, go Ayu |
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OH well Still hoping for 40k overall. Which is more than i could say about kumi's summer of love/album.:P |
Thanks for the updates! So it's
1st Week Position: #2 Official Total Sales: 30,988 2nd Week 1st Day: Position: #3, Sales: 1,138 Total Sales: 32,126 Less than 1,000 gap it was so close, oh well. |
Almost there but amazing anyway :)
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I'm positively surprised by these sales, actually. I think with the upcoming a-nation performances and the billboard promotion it is getting it has a real chance of tieing A ONE sales or at least getting very close.
I wish we knew how much A ONE sold on a day-to-day basis - especially the first day of the second week. Based on the positions this EP seems to have smaller drops between days. Which is great. A ONE already had a lot more longevity than Colours. That's the best sign of the public buying more records as opposed to hardcore fans, who will almost always buy right when it's out. |
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Thanks for the update. Still happy for a #2! |
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Then again , this's not the 1st time I've seen petty/insensitive behaviour that have taken place . It seems that on here there's always a certain person (if not a group of people probably ?) that's always picking on artistes that have denied Ayu's past releases in not getting #1 For me I listen to a wide variety of artistes so for some artistes that 'beat' Ayu to get #1 in the past , I do feel that they deserve it especially if they don't have a single #1 in their discography prior to them finally getting 1 in their entire career That said , sixxxxxx put up a good fight . I honestly thought it had a shot in #1 but end of the day , it did well considering solo artistes these days can't sell well |
OT af but with DCT's chart run I really hope Sandaime can keep the yearly #1 I would be bitter AF if they wouldn't (I'm ldh-trash sorry lol) Overall I think sixxxxxx's sales are ok. The songs are great so whatever..
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Comparison with other female solo artists that are doing better in this oricon year:
Namie Amuro - _genic 227,962 debut: 1995 Superfly - White 129,091 debut: 2007 Taylor Swift – 1989 90,555 JUJU - Request II 77,836 (COVER ALBUM) debut: 2004 Nishino Kana - with Love 75,720 (in 2015, total: 257,032) debut: 2008 miwa - ONENESS 70,246 debut: 2010 Ayaka - Rainbow Road 65,216 debut: 2006 May J. - May J. W Best -Original & Covers- 61,988 (BEST-OF ALBUM) debut: 2006 Ohara Sakurako - Happy 52,421 debut: 2013 Ayumi Hamasaki - A One 52,192 debut: 1998 Koda Kumi - Walk of my Life 50,013 debut: 2000 sixxxxxx's first week sales are just 3,5k lower than A One's first week sales. And A One's total sales are just 1k lower than Colours' total sales. Considering sixxxxxx is only a mini album, it is doing well. Beside Namie and Superfly, no other female solo artist managed to sell 100,000 this year. This shows how everything in the market has changed. However, Ayu is not doing great, but not bad either - currently, she is number 10 (with A One) of female solo artists in this oricon year. If you combine the sales from A One and sixxxxxx, she is number 4. There are 3,5 months left until the oricon year ends - let's see, which other female solo artists will release an album. |
Aaaws, that was so close. :D It was a exciting charting battle indeed.
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Sales are not bad at all comparing to A ONE and considering it's a mini-album. Sure it sucks to lose the #1 on the very last day, but hopefully this mini can have some of the longevity A ONE had :)
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Considering sixxxxxx is a mini album versus DCT's best of album, I am satisfied with her being #2 honestly.
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Sixxxxxx did great for an EP, I'm very proud of Ayu for this achievement :) :yes
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but well DCT album already out for a month...Japanese love BEST though...
I'm hoping that Japanese will start to recognize how amazing her current work...it's not the end yet...everything can happened as long as we try... I believe Ayu right now trying her best..give her best...hopefully all will be paid off in the end.. |
Gosh I remember when NEXT LEVEL was released and DCT had a best/original album combo released the week before and people were even wary then. But I think Ayu outsold them by 100k on her debut week. DCT did end up selling 300k more overall though.
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A BEST 2 only included pre-Secret stuff, so if she includes Secret era onwards it'd be even better. A COMPLETE did include Secret, but it's a single best, and ayu includes album tracks on her regular best's, so I think she does a good amount of hits to include :yes She seems to be reconnecting to her Japanese audience better this year, so if they work on her image (?) well on the next two years, we could have A BEST 3 by her 20th and I'd be pretty much satisfied with it
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During its release, it was announced A Best 2 would cover from evolution single to Bold & Delicious single, so even (miss)understood album tracks may be on A Best 3...
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^ Oh sorry, you're right :P I tend to forget about (m)u
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(sighs) This is going to be one nightmare (putting a pun on Dreams Come True to Ayu) that Ayu fans are going to have to deal with. That bitter pill Ayu and her fans have to take all because of DCT... Come on Japan, give Ayu a chance at #1!!! Koda Kumi got #1 this year, Namie got #1 (among albums)...#WhyNotAyu??? Clearly this wasn't fair! How could a month-old BEST album outrun Ayu??? For one last time...this is plain old stupid. Stupid Oricon!!! |
Out of curiosity... All of those 47 songs released after Bold & Delicious either got certifications, huge youtube view numbers, had strong tie-ins, above average sales, were said by her team to be popular among her fandom or are frequently played at her concerts:
Ladies Night 1 LOVE Startin' JEWEL BLUE BIRD talkin' 2 myself decision Together When... Marionette glitter MY ALL EnergizE Sparkle Rule Days Microphone Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ Lady Dynamite Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL You were... RED LINE Love song Last Angel crossroad MOON Last angel Virgin Road progress BRILLANTE how beautiful you are Party queen Wake me up Song 4 u SAKURA You & Me XOXO Feel the Love Hello new me Pray Merry-Go-Round Last Minute Zutto... The Gift Movin' on Without you The Show Must Go On Step by step Summer Diary A Best 2 had 30 old tracks + Part of me... A lot of those songs were pretty big, so I guess A Best 3 would perform well. |
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sixxxxxx dropped to #9 yesterday
Man the sales for albums' yesterday is so poor , it's not even funny . The #1 spot for yesterday , only sold 8,131 copies o_O |
Wow still in top 10!
Sales must be really bad this week, except for DCT of course :P |
Honestly though the rank doesn't matter at all, it's more about the numbers. The rank os more of a symbol and it always depends on the competition
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lol Bigtop having a meltdown if any artiste he 'supports' doesn't get #1 , epic
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Okay, for those of you who complain on my overreaction...
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Ayu, however...that wasn't a best album. :no After all, there isn't anything that made an unfair advantage to DCT - it seems more people were more interested with DCT than Ayu. After all, there was that speculation about that "wonderland tour that happens every four years" - and it's understandable why DCT had the edge at the end. It's pretty crazy how DCT sold that much at the final day of the week (Sunday) that would lead to the demise of Ayu's #1 run. :( But then again, more people were interested in DCT, especially when it was a best album, and not Ayu. I have to relate Ayu's loss to DCT to this: (imagine - Ayu is the white race car who led until before the final turn of the race, DCT is some green race car) The overreacting that I did here undermines my tendency of why I sometimes overreact pretty much everywhere, including at my house. (I even overreacted when the Seahawks' pass to win the Super Bowl back in February was intercepted by the Patriots in the final 30 seconds of the game! :O) But I have to understand overreacting isn't appropriate in general, and I have to accept these situations that we don't like, such as Ayu losing out #1 to DCT. Then again, these days happen, and we have to move on - we, from Ayu herself, to ourselves here in the AHS community, will have learned lessons from the experience we had throughout the week. I know it is becoming difficult for Ayu to get #1 this time (compared to the yesteryear), but that's what we have today. :( This is 2015, NOT 2010 or 2000. Ever since I first joined Ayu fandom back in late 2006/early 2007, I knew that she was on a run of #1 releases. But a year later, when Kobukuro broke Ayu's #1 album streak, we learned the lesson that no streak is safe, and Ayu is now pretty much square one. It's disappointing though how the string of potentially controversial personal life moves may have turned some of the fans away, but then again, it is normal for soloists to decline sharply in the career, whereas groups such as DCT, Mr.Children, and even SMAP, are more likely to perform well for a long time compared to soloists, after reading some pieces from this thread. As for this week...I don't think it's likely. And I have a feeling DCT could do it all over again...the albums competition is pretty weak this week. And, to be honest...I have NOT listened any of the songs from the album yet. Haven't had a chance yet, so I have to question myself why have I not been listening to Ayu recently... |
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We will see if DCT can stay almost 2 years mostly on recochoku's top 5 like A BEST does :rolleyes j/k
But it's great for DCT to stir interest with their hits so far this point in their career. sixxxxxx is already doing good enough. |
Really, 30k for a mini-album is a great result! Especially in an Oricon world full of gimmicks (not aimed at DCT, more aimed at the countless K-pop/J-pop idols with their handshakes and entry to events/concerts for buying X number of copies of their single...). I'm not familiar if Ayu had any, but I'm guessing not.
Dreams Come True's best-of sold so well because it is a 3-disc career best-of priced insanely well. 3500 yen for 50 songs! Compare that to 1800-3200 yen for Ayu's 6 songs. I don't think them being a group is the reason why it sells so well. They are very well respected and for good reason. They're versatile with their music, especially in the last decade. Someone similarly well respected, Yuming, released a best-of that was exactly the same: career best-of, 50-ish songs for 3500 yen, and it sold just as well as DCT's. The Oricon chart is becoming less relevant. You can't really compare numbers between artists anymore like you could 10, 20 years ago. It went from being like comparing peaches and plums to comparing peaches and dog food. Uh yeah, they're both food...and that's it. So don't be upset Ayu lost to a release so completely different to her. She still had the best-selling original album (mini or full) for the week! Good job Ayu! |
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I hope it stays on Top 10 this week! :)
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I'm confident that Sixxxxxx is going to stay in the top 10 for another week! :yes
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