Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai

Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai (http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/index.php)
-   Ayu Music News (http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   [News] a-nation ONLINE 2020 (http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124920)

Aderianu 29th August 2020 04:07 PM

Creepy!

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:08 PM

https://i.imgur.com/NsBshri.png

https://i.imgur.com/SG5MnMy.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZkFxDW3.png
From ayufan89!

01. Dreamed a Dream
02. Startin'
03. Jump! (interlude)
04. GET IN GEAR! (interlude)
05. vogue

maxikot 29th August 2020 04:08 PM

I am always there for creepy stuff so I want to see it so badly now haha. She looks stunning :)

Surreal17 29th August 2020 04:10 PM

omg!!! I was just listening to vogue earlier and thinking "wouldn't it be nice if she sang this?"
Also, she does look really good.

Aderianu 29th August 2020 04:10 PM

Love this look, it's so mature

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:11 PM

01. Dreamed a Dream
02. Startin'
03. Jump! (interlude)
04. GET IN GEAR! (interlude)
05. vogue
06. Far away

Katsuyuki012 29th August 2020 04:11 PM

She looks so elegant, so gorgeous.

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:17 PM

01. Dreamed a Dream
02. Startin'
03. Jump! (interlude)
04. GET IN GEAR! (interlude)
05. vogue
06. Far away
07. SEASONS
08. ayu's EURO MEGA MIX "Y&Co. Mix" (interlude)
09. Greatful days - glitter - independent - Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ - You & Me

She is doing so well vocally!

https://i.imgur.com/iT2XkgD.png

https://i.imgur.com/FPA8eZf.png

https://i.imgur.com/e9H0whQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/562QQj1.png

Evan Odinson 29th August 2020 04:26 PM

The setlist looks fantastic! did she wear that black dress for Vogue-Far away-SEASONS? like in the PV trilogy??

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:29 PM

Yeah, black dress was trilogy!

Katsuyuki012 29th August 2020 04:30 PM

Loving the outfits & setlist so far!

kaled kalil 29th August 2020 04:33 PM

The vocals are really good! It's just weird having both background vocalists when they are clearly not singing (she's singing with the original mix instrumentals that have her own voice as background).

njanjayrp 29th August 2020 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaled kalil (Post 3326762)
The vocals are really good! It's just weird having both background vocalists when they are clearly not singing (she's singing with the original mix instrumentals that have her own voice as background).

Smart choice.

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:34 PM

01. Dreamed a Dream
02. Startin'
03. Jump! (interlude)
04. GET IN GEAR! (interlude)
05. vogue
06. Far away
07. SEASONS
08. ayu's EURO MEGA MIX "Y&Co. Mix" (interlude)
09. Greatful days - glitter - independent - Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ - You & Me
10. BLUE BIRD
11. July 1st

https://i.imgur.com/7IfQ6yd.png

Corvina 29th August 2020 04:38 PM

She screamed herself through Startin', but other than that she sounds really, really good!

kaled kalil 29th August 2020 04:38 PM

I don't think I have ever seen she singing BLUE BIRD this good in more than 10 years. It is that good imo!

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:40 PM

The vocals really are amazing overall. So good!

https://i.imgur.com/UD6rj4h.png

https://i.imgur.com/oY0Pq4o.png

https://i.imgur.com/OjlY7q4.png

rainBOWWW 29th August 2020 04:44 PM

Waiting for the rip but she looks amazing! She SERVED SO MUCH IN THESE OUTFITS AND SETLIST.

koumori 29th August 2020 04:45 PM

I'm sobbing... she was perfect. Wow. Her vocals, her outfits, her energy. Ayu and the troupe knocked it out the park. I have no words!!

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:51 PM

I want to know what the concept was for the intro, it was so surreal...

https://i.imgur.com/cFRh7TJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/duDSr74.png
https://i.imgur.com/e0CBWS6.png

Ayu conspiracies?

surrealA 29th August 2020 04:52 PM

She sounds so good!! imo better than FNS. Was surprised she sang the trilogy omg!
And I love the last outfit too! wish the setlist was abit longer :P

ayufan89 29th August 2020 04:55 PM

I was trying to figure out how can she look so different in a matter of just a few days (between FNS and a-nation). To me, she looks much more natural, refreshed and younger during a-nation.

And then I realised her make up during a-nation is waaaay gentler than FNS.
No over-contouring of her nose, her eye make-up seems lighter and i think even her eyebrows are less dark.

This suits here wayyyy better imo! Also the bangs helped :D

AyuGAME 29th August 2020 04:55 PM

I think that's already so longgg for a-nation

summerain 29th August 2020 04:57 PM

I hope someone recorded it. The quality of the streaming seems so good (maybe better than Abema?).

truehappiness 29th August 2020 04:58 PM

Kunihiro Kawashima / Kukky in Yasei Bakudan or WILD BOMB the comedy duo seemed to be the collaboration she mentioned on IG and the people who did the intro for a-nation! It seems Ayu is a BIG fan of theirs.

https://i.imgur.com/3QBCyjf.png

https://i.imgur.com/lFhGERl.png

https://i.imgur.com/zaU5dVp.png

https://i.imgur.com/64lrbEl.png

Machiko 29th August 2020 05:20 PM

Omg. I can't wait to see this!!!! D:

truehappiness 29th August 2020 05:32 PM

Pictures from modelpress!

https://i.imgur.com/ehLZlIt.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZJMFQo9.png

https://i.imgur.com/43zFcFJ.png

https://twitter.com/pphousee/status/1299708940633083904

The entire Twitter thread of the intro images, lol!

Quote:

そして、くっきー! @nikuguso_taro さん、夢を叶えていただき有難うございました��

#anationonline2020
#あゆくっきーコラボ
She IG tagged him and mentioned the collab!

kaled kalil 29th August 2020 05:37 PM

I uploaded the audio rip I did, it is available in the download section. :)

Deep snow 29th August 2020 05:38 PM

I missed the performance but thoroughly enjoyed everyone's reactions! the screenshots of the opening look so weird I love it when she's a freak like this :roflmao

I'm loving the track list and so glad that she reportedly did well vocally! cannot wait to watch this.

my favourite thing about this is probably the black dress she wore for vogue onwards. it just looks so ...original idk :laugh

Earth_maiden 29th August 2020 05:40 PM

It looks hilarious, waiting with bated breath for the upload. :luv2

YUKARI 29th August 2020 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3326785)

OMG she's soo beautiful!!! the dress reminds me of FNS winter special though

Chris_Duvall 29th August 2020 05:51 PM

I couldn’t watch it today but I hope there will be an upload soon.
She looks absolutely fantastic and so much more natural than during FNS.

chocopockymaster 29th August 2020 05:56 PM

That modelpress photo of her in the black dress is STUNNING

primavera♥ 29th August 2020 06:03 PM

Awww, she looks great. I'm so happy to hear she did well!! I don't know how she does it, but she keeps going!

Yes to her giving us the despair trilogy. I also love the black dress.

I look forward to watching at some point.

AyuGAME 29th August 2020 06:09 PM

Wowwww her vocal!!!

Vogue is so good...now listening to Far Away

Deep snow 29th August 2020 06:15 PM

listening to kaled_kalil's audio rips right now (thanks a lot!)

her voice felt like it got stronger than it had been in 夏ノトラブル, so much that she was able to shout during Startin'. the stress from the screaming was carried over to subsequent songs, but overall she managed to sound great! :luv2 Dreamed a Dream, especially, was perfect.

I hope Queen could fully un-learn the screamy technique so her future live voice could sound better and more stable.

freedreamer 29th August 2020 06:21 PM

just a question: was this fully live? or will we never know?

Deep snow 29th August 2020 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 3326802)
just a question: was this fully live? or will we never know?

amateur opinion, based on impression: it was fully live

koumori 29th August 2020 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 3326802)
just a question: was this fully live? or will we never know?

In my opinion, yes. It was fantastic "but" you could hear her breathing and sounding airier than the studio versions at a few points. She was being really careful and during the medley she broke off to do her crowd callouts often.

maxikot 29th August 2020 06:40 PM

Thank you so much kaled kalil for sharing the audio! I've checked bits because I am waiting for a video rip to experience it in full but just based on those pieces I've heard my heart is shedding a tear of joy :)

hud 29th August 2020 06:40 PM

she sounded and looked so good!

kaled kalil 29th August 2020 06:43 PM

Watching the performance I didn't notice anything suspicious, it didn't look like she was lipsynching to me. In some performances you could hear that her voice was a little thin, like SEASONS chorus. She also didn't move that much, so it seems like she was very focused on her voice.

Evolution7/4 29th August 2020 07:25 PM

Illuminati Ayu!

Katsuyuki012 29th August 2020 08:45 PM

That intro is... something.

She sounds fantastic and the show looks very nice! :heart

Coelacanth 30th August 2020 01:43 AM

weird, I've been listening to the -Trilogy- non-stop this past week. so glad she performed it in full!!! she sounds great!!!

KuuXAyu-fan 30th August 2020 01:57 AM

A little disappointed she lowered the key of vogue and far away. Wanted to hear them in the original key. :(

Katsuyuki012 30th August 2020 02:56 AM

She wouldn't be able to sing them as well as she used to.

EDIT: Seems like a-nation '20 will be re-broadcast on TV?

junshen 30th August 2020 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katsuyuki012 (Post 3326831)
She wouldn't be able to sing them as well as she used to.

EDIT: Seems like a-nation '20 will be re-broadcast on TV?

https://a-nation.net/news/detail.php?id=1085687

might not be full version. they will pick from all 3 stages and squeeze into 5 hours show,

Edit: I heard a-nation 2020 is up at jpopsuki, anyone can confirm?

Katsuyuki012 30th August 2020 06:00 AM

^As far as I know, the torrent should be up at jpopsuki.

And thanks for the information. :)

Chris85 30th August 2020 07:54 AM

Started listening. I won't believe that Dreamed a Dream was live, Ayu's pitch is NEVER that good if it's just one take. Thank god for not shouting in Vogue, very surprising. Enjoying the background vocals that her back-up singers contributed. Hearing Glitter is really nostalgic.

njanjayrp 30th August 2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 3326829)
A little disappointed she lowered the key of vogue and far away. Wanted to hear them in the original key. :(

Watch Concert Tour 2000A.

waterballoon 30th August 2020 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3326846)
Watch Concert Tour 2000A.

HAHAHA I'd be really impressed if Ayu could maintain the same key after 20 years.

kaled kalil 30th August 2020 01:54 PM

I'm the one who uploaded the file on JPS. The file is too large for me to upload on GD with my awful internet. I'm sure someone can make a mirror and post here. :)

AyuGAME 30th August 2020 02:02 PM

Ahhh too bad, I already banned from Jpopsuki

Evan Odinson 30th August 2020 04:50 PM

Such a great show! She was fantastic, I really loved every second of it, this was perfect :luv2

njanjayrp 30th August 2020 05:28 PM

FLAWLESS.

adrtwb 30th August 2020 05:33 PM

I am amazed and I don’t know how she did it. Her vocals and “face” is perfect compared to FNS and Premium NATSU TROUBLE.

I really cried listening to vogue and Far away... in their original mix, omg omg and omg.

SunshineSlayer 30th August 2020 06:11 PM

Fell off my chair when Far Away came up. First performance since 2000. OMG

I thought she sounded good and I enjoyed the show.

pedronekoi 30th August 2020 06:14 PM

Omg!! She looks and sounds AMAZING!!! Completelly different from FNS. I'm shook....

Am I the only one that related the "fin" (the end) after the trilogy vogue - far away - SEASONS with the whole Masa/M/dorama story?? Like she ended it all. ITS OVER. THE END.

Machiko 30th August 2020 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrtwb (Post 3326887)
I really cried listening to vogue and Far away... in their original mix, omg omg and omg.

I was gonna ask if anyone else cried bc it was so good so I'm glad I'm not alone :luv2

It was so good.

mizuki-7 30th August 2020 06:19 PM

I’m chocked lol Her tone was flawless like the BEST since more than a decade I’m not even exaggerating I missed it. It’s how she should always sound it’s so gentle and emotional. She sounded Just like her past self (strange to say that lol). I hope she will be able to maintain this level in the future...

Katsuyuki012 30th August 2020 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3326891)
Fell off my chair when Far Away came up. First performance since 2000. OMG

I thought she sounded good and I enjoyed the show.

She also sang it during PoM11, unless you were solely referring to the original version.

SunshineSlayer 30th August 2020 06:37 PM

^ kind of forgot about that lol. But yes, original version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 3326829)
A little disappointed she lowered the key of vogue and far away. Wanted to hear them in the original key. :(

I mean, would you rather that or have her not be able to hit the notes? lol

Anna.L 30th August 2020 07:47 PM

ok
I REALLY LOVE THE TONE ON THE TRILOGY
and.....why the backupsingers
when the base is on her voice?

Anna.L 30th August 2020 07:49 PM

vogue and far away i thought its gonna be cringe
but WOW i'm surprised

Party_King 30th August 2020 08:16 PM

Far away is such a huuuge surprise! I hope she realized how good it was and start performing it more often!
I had tears in my eyes and needed to stop before SEASONS haha :D

SunshineSlayer 30th August 2020 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 3326802)
just a question: was this fully live? or will we never know?

Live with a backtrack. I hope this becomes standard for her now; works much better for her.

Deep snow 30th August 2020 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3326845)
Started listening. I won't believe that Dreamed a Dream was live, Ayu's pitch is NEVER that good if it's just one take.

if you watch the performance, it's clear that it was live.

she has become SO BAD at lip-syncing the past couple of years that whenever she does it, the camera would avoid zooming in on her face as much as possible (just compare with the faraway angles of e.g. kanariya in Just the beginning -20- CDL, identity in Promised Land CDL). in this performance, the camera doesn't shy away from zooming in at all.

truehappiness 30th August 2020 09:06 PM

I think in recent years it's just been really loud heavy backing tracks for songs she would have normally fully lipped in the past, she even does it with songs that she sings fully nowadays too during choruses and stuff. Typically too with songs that she does use it heavily for there is a lot going on so there isn't as much reason to zoom in imo.

Deep snow 30th August 2020 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3326922)
I think in recent years it's just been really loud heavy backing tracks for songs she would have normally fully lipped in the past, she even does it with songs that she sings fully nowadays too during choruses and stuff. Typically too with songs that she does use it heavily for there is a lot going on so there isn't as much reason to zoom in imo.

that makes sense, I should've phrased it more clearly. what I meant is that when she does lip-sync in recent years, the camera appears to purposefully avoid showing her 'singing'.

by the way I'm watching the a-nation performance as we speak and I've just reached SEASONS. I got the audio rip yesterday but I just got the video now and I have a lot of feelings about this trilogy. bullet points review incoming.

EDIT

• OH MY GOD
• the original arrangement. YES.
• the FANS choreography in vogue. ETHEREAL.
• the lighting and screen effects are on point, as well
• her DRESS. my god I have only love for this quirky dress.
• she's singing in her STUDIO VOICE and it sounds so airy and beautiful. keep it up Empress :luv2
• my tears welled up several times.
• I almost forgot how regal Far away is. such a dramatic song.
• her dance with Risato, for a multitude of reasons, made me legit cry.
• SEASONS in the original arrangement AND original key. she nailed this.
• the 'Fin'. end me.

Deep snow 30th August 2020 09:44 PM

even July 1st made me cry. she did so well. wow.

ohsixthirty 30th August 2020 11:58 PM

LEGENDARY.

chocopockymaster 31st August 2020 12:07 AM

I’m on Far away right now and think I might cry, honestly

...and then she ruined it at the end with that stupid fake crying god DAMN IT

Ryusei 31st August 2020 12:44 AM

Her vocals here were so good. I was really surprised. She already sounded really good during her FNS performance so I was keen to hear what she sounded like here. I was definitely surprised. Obviously not a fan of the fake crying lmao but whatever it's a given at this point. I actually like that she lowered the key, cause that way she could sing comfortably and prettily instead of screaming through it.

Cahz- 31st August 2020 01:45 AM

The delicacy of her vocals on vogue... simply wow.

Chris85 31st August 2020 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep snow (Post 3326920)
if you watch the performance, it's clear that it was live.

she has become SO BAD at lip-syncing the past couple of years that whenever she does it, the camera would avoid zooming in on her face as much as possible (just compare with the faraway angles of e.g. kanariya in Just the beginning -20- CDL, identity in Promised Land CDL). in this performance, the camera doesn't shy away from zooming in at all.

Yeah, I will watch. I don't necessarily think it was lip-synced, it's not impossible that they used pre-recorded footage consisting of several takes, nobody would find out anyway, so why not. Overall this set sounds suspicious AF, because Ayu normally doesn't do this good live.

MelKeigo 31st August 2020 03:51 AM

I haven’t been able to watch in full yet, but wow
Her outfits are beautiful! And she looks stunning too, she looks more natural and has this light atmosphere (?) around her, I love it!
I’ve only listened to the trilogy and she sounds AMAZING during Seasons (ToT)
I hope I’m able to watch in full soon!

SunshineSlayer 31st August 2020 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3326939)
Yeah, I will watch. I don't necessarily think it was lip-synced, it's not impossible that they used pre-recorded footage consisting of several takes, nobody would find out anyway, so why not. Overall this set sounds suspicious AF, because Ayu normally doesn't do this good live.

She sounded like this at FNS. Also, this years CDL was not bad.

truehappiness 31st August 2020 07:55 AM

She had the exact same kind of vocal going on in Dreamed a Dream for FNS and this. She went slightly 'cutesy' but it was clearly vocally controlled. It was live like much of the other performances broadcast from Japan with comments from mu-mo Live showing for many artists if they chose to focus on them.

I think she was very much focused on her voice compared to Natsu no Trouble, maybe doing some work on her vocals in the time since then?

ohsixthirty 31st August 2020 08:58 AM

I find it laughable to suggest that ayu was lip syncing or secretly doing multiple takes as if she hasn’t been performing live for two decades.

chu-lips 31st August 2020 09:01 AM

Full streamin link..
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1gV41...nique_k=Xof5Nn

Deep snow 31st August 2020 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 3326948)
I find it laughable to suggest that ayu was lip syncing or secretly doing multiple takes as if she hasn’t been performing live for two decades.

while she definitely -has- lip-synched before, and some TV performances (e.g. FNS) have indeed been done in multiple takes, I agree.

in the end she's a professional who has had record of performing live really well in the past. she must have received regular coaching in order to adapt her singing technique to her Deafness. in addition, the few months of lockdown has given her voice the necessary rest she'd desperately needed after 56 years of non-stop TROUBLE tour.

njanjayrp 31st August 2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3326919)
Live with a backtrack. I hope this becomes standard for her now; works much better for her.

Agreed. The backtrack helps a lot and in some of the songs it was very prominent.

I thought DaD sounded better than during FNS. It was a bit choppy there.

Faiza 31st August 2020 11:29 AM

I know ayu loves performing but I really wish she wouldn't tour so extensively. Resting her voice during the pandemic has been a wonder for her, I enjoyed both the fns and a-nation performances, a-nation especially. She was great! Bit shouty during the summer songs section but she'd been on for 45 mins by then so understandable lol

truehappiness 31st August 2020 11:33 AM

I think that the extensive touring is sort of her rebellion against the 'inevitable' with the deafness. When we got word of the increased danger for her working ear in 2017 or so, we thought she might stop but since then she has been touring MORE than ever before! Might be that she feels it's a race against the clock and she wants to let as many people see her lives as possible.

Evolution7/4 31st August 2020 11:56 AM

Or avex is trying to milk as much from her when they can. I totally believe this increase in touring and decrease in music has to do with avex going where the money is.
Thats why its been so great to finally get consistent new music from her!

EndOfTheWorld 31st August 2020 12:29 PM

https://scontent-lga3-2.cdninstagram...b5&oe=5F749053
🥀Vogue 🥀

「君を咲き誇ろう」というワードが強いので一見華やかそうだけれど、実は ‘咲く’ 方では無く ‘散る’ 方を大事に表現したくてゴリちゃんと創りあげた絶望三部作の一曲目。

#anationonline2020

Katsuyuki012 31st August 2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evolution7/4 (Post 3326959)
Or avex is trying to milk as much from her when they can. I totally believe this increase in touring and decrease in music has to do with avex going where the money is.
Thats why its been so great to finally get consistent new music from her!

I highly doubt that, it just doesn't make sense given the state of her career. If she didn't want to do it (AKA she was being forced to), then she wouldn't have done it. Especially not during her pregnancy. It's clear to me that this is what Ayu wants/wanted.

Corvina 31st August 2020 03:05 PM

It's probably both.
Ayu is a successful senior artist (and she even owns quite a percentage of avex herself, doesn't she?), so she enjoys privileges.
But she also is under contract and has to fulfil certain criteria.

Katsuyuki012 31st August 2020 03:16 PM

That's true, but she's probably not contracted to perform as much as she did since 2017.

Andrenekoi 31st August 2020 05:14 PM

How can anyone watch Ayu on a stage and not see how much she loves doing that?

summerain 31st August 2020 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3326973)
How can anyone watch Ayu on a stage and not see how much she loves doing that?

She literally couldn't hide her excitement for being on stage again throughout all Natsu no Trouble, indeed.

Chris85 31st August 2020 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3326942)
She sounded like this at FNS. Also, this years CDL was not bad.

FNS was pre-recorded, so it doesn't count as her usual live performance. CDL was mostly pretty good, yes.

tenshi no hane 31st August 2020 05:38 PM

I only browsed through the performance, but she sounded alright and looked vibrant :heart way better than FNS to me

maxikot 31st August 2020 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3326973)
How can anyone watch Ayu on a stage and not see how much she loves doing that?

I'm 100% with you here. She is always so full of passion, love her.

Yoshiaki 31st August 2020 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chu-lips (Post 3326949)

Thanks!

Members of the forum has been praising how good her live is, and wow, is indeed good..!

And does anyone noticed she changed again the way of holding her mic?

Evolution7/4 31st August 2020 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3326965)
It's probably both.
Ayu is a successful senior artist (and she even owns quite a percentage of avex herself, doesn't she?), so she enjoys privileges.
But she also is under contract and has to fulfil certain criteria.

This. I think its both too. Never said Ayu did not enjoy doing it. But doesn't mean Avex isn't pushing her to perform more and giving her less of a budget for music releases. If music sold more or as much as it did in the past, we would have had more albums believe me. Again, this does seem to have changed recently with all the new music. Just hypothesizing of course!

Andrenekoi 31st August 2020 08:39 PM

I'm pretty sure if she was eager to release music, we woudln't be getting so much generic ballads lately lol. Ayu feeds her music with her own personal issues... I wouldn't be surprised if after so much music released, she just had nothing new to share for a while.

Evolution7/4 31st August 2020 08:49 PM

Lol true!

surrealA 31st August 2020 08:59 PM

Can anyone explain what the intro video meant. Im clueless lol. Was it supposed to be funny?


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:04 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.