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se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1284762)
I watched BEST of CDL 06-07 DOCUMENTARY recently, and she sang pretty well there outside of a "performance" setting when it was just her rehearsing. I think it's just circumstances and stuff that arose in the last week that made her voice all... blah. This has happened before, where she had to "reach" a lot of the time for notes and stuff. I see it as a very small problem though, considering that she probably does this concert on less than 5 hours of sleep. :|

ya
coz last 3 year's CDL were great imo...maybe um...06=07 not that good but still manageable

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by INSPIRE1978 (Post 1284891)
^well she lip sang 'theme of a-nation '03' at CDL05-06...and that song is definately not a hard song...i thought that was really bizarre...you can tell in the tv version of that one becuase her lips move different and the vocal does something different.

with STEP you though, i think she probably used the vocal from AT06 because her vocals, even when mixed with Peco and Princess are far too crisp and clean to be live...when considering the rest of the songs.

I dunno, since AT06's STEP you~Ladies Night was heavily edited from the original performance in the DVD version.. :\

I don't think she lipsynched for all of theme of a-nation... :\ Oh well. Whatever. It's not like she did it for the whole concert if she did do it.

elepop 3rd January 2008 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PrincessAyu (Post 1284550)
she's SO lipsyncing in STEP you. Her vocals are so blah in talkin 2 myself ..... she couldn't possibly sing STEP you the way she did live. It's impossible. Seeing this concert confirms her time is over. It's all bland and boring now. She's done everything like this already. Custome stuff, dancer stuff, everything. I'm bored with her.

Whatever. :rolleyes
I'm not a huge fan of Ayu's lives. But come on! To say that her time is over? Geez.

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1284888)
I still don't know if STEP you was lipsynched or not. IMO, it really doesn't seem like she'd choose one song out of 17 to do that for...

Plus, it was only the 2nd song of the show, whereas SURREAL was more towards the middle, thus sounding much worse. I dunno. Perhaps she really got into STEP you?

Even the adlibs were the same as AT06 though, so perhaps it was the same "performance" just not some vocal track..

Ayu usually lip synch for the 2nd song.
Like A MUSEUM and ARENA TOUR 2003-2004.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1284953)
Ayu usually lip synch for the 2nd song.
Like A MUSEUM and ARENA TOUR 2003-2004.

You're sure about that? O_o;

Maybe they were simply heavily edited in the DVD versions? O_o

[Greatful days for A MUSEUM and Real me for AT03-04]

Zemus 3rd January 2008 02:54 AM

I can't see how Greatful days would be lipsynched. I just watched the TV version of A MUSEUM. Seems fine really. It's as truehappiness says I think.

Dunno about Real me, I've never seen a TV version of AT03-04 (does one exist?)

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zemus (Post 1285003)
I can't see how Greatful days would be lipsynched. I just watched the TV version of A MUSEUM. Seems fine really. It's as truehappiness says I think.

Dunno about Real me, I've never seen a TV version of AT03-04 (does one exist?)

The CDL03-04 was semi broadcast via CDTV.. [but I think since CDL and AT were connected that year, we only got that clip and nothing more.

elepop 3rd January 2008 03:22 AM

Umm. I've never seen the TV version. I'm talking about the DVD version.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1285024)
Umm. I've never seen the TV version. I'm talking about the DVD version.

They were recorded on different dates, I believe [due to hair changes and stuff.]~

DVD version was probably edited like woah. [As was Ladies Night ~AT06 version~]

ayumisrael 3rd January 2008 03:41 AM

i still didn't watch 07-08 (will tomorrow when it will finish download) but ayu definitly didn't lipsync on most of the songs people mentioned here, she barely does you can hear her voice is live clearly.

I'm shocked about some people comments here XD

voltron 3rd January 2008 03:58 AM

I have to say I'm pretty sad about this. It was a good show for a CDL, in terms of entertainment value, but it's by far the worse vocal performance during a concert to date for Ayu. I don't think she hit a single correct note during Surreal. The whole show was just an absolute mess...usually the unplugged section goes really well in her tours lately, but even these songs were not good. I really hope she rests her voice before her next full out tour, because if she's going to sound like this from now on...it's not worth touring.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 1285045)
I have to say I'm pretty sad about this. It was a good show for a CDL, in terms of entertainment value, but it's by far the worse vocal performance during a concert to date for Ayu.

I think she's done much worse :\


Also, the unplugged section seemed to carry more emotions for Ayu than she'd have hoped. Perhaps she wanted to get those songs out of the way? D:

Ayu_desu 3rd January 2008 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by INSPIRE1978 (Post 1284891)
^well she lip sang 'theme of a-nation '03' at CDL05-06...and that song is definately not a hard song...i thought that was really bizarre...you can tell in the tv version of that one becuase her lips move different and the vocal does something different.

with STEP you though, i think she probably used the vocal from AT06 because her vocals, even when mixed with Peco and Princess are far too crisp and clean to be live...when considering the rest of the songs.

haha, the thought of her lip-syncing "theme of a-nation 03" kept flashing in my mind when she was singing STEP you. Her voice in this countdown live was very inconsistent; sometimes it would sound almost like CD-mix (STEP you), and sometimes it would sound breathless and out-of-tune (SURREAL). I wouldn't be surprised if she lip-synced though... she should have lip-synced SURREAL instead of STEP you 'cause it was seriously dreadful to listen through.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayu_desu (Post 1285049)
haha, the thought of her lip-syncing "theme of a-nation 03" kept flashing in my mind when she was singing STEP you. Her voice in this countdown live was very inconsistent; sometimes it would sound almost like CD-mix (STEP you), and sometimes it would sound breathless and out-of-tune (SURREAL). I wouldn't be surprised if she lip-synced though... she should have lip-synced SURREAL instead of STEP you 'cause it was seriously dreadful to listen through.

I imagine she was also aware that she sounded kinda "BLEH" and probably laughed/made faces and stuff during the performances because of it..

But the thing is, she still smiles and stuff instead of totally bumming out and ruining the performance.. Ayu has been known to perform with injuries and sickness in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was ill or exhausted beyond belief :\

Some of you guys seem to believe that she performs the way she does because she believes it's "good." And because of that, you think that she sucks at lives and shouldn't be doing them because she's just damaging her reputation even further. But perhaps there's something to it. A reason maybe? I dunno if she'll ever say "Oh, I'm sorry for not singing my best", but she's sure giving it her all despite not being able to hit notes too well. I think that's enough to make up for her bad vocals. At least she's performing and not being a grouch about it. [i.e: singing badly AND performing as if she's singing badly]

futureLOVE 3rd January 2008 04:14 AM

has there been a confirmation as to why she canceled the CDTV performance?

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by INSPIRE1978 (Post 1285059)
has there been a confirmation as to why she canceled the CDTV performance?

Not really. I heard from tethevo that she cancelled it and they showed a direct feed from CDL instead. Something happened or w/e. :\

milky_way 3rd January 2008 04:27 AM

Ayu messed up her choreography at the end of t2m :laugh

MTRLevolution 3rd January 2008 04:52 AM

i was at the show on the 31st, her cdl concerts are always the best shows. i was also at last year's best of cdl, and it's a tough choice between the two of them! this year she didn't mess up on any of the lyrics though haha, that's a first! i've seen ayu 4 times now and something always goes wrong, one time her belt fell off and she had peco help her put it back on, the other times she ended up forgetting lyrics. it's cute lol.

this cdl was really great, being in the audience, it was AWESOME to see her work the entire arena. she had three stages set up, and a walkway that stretched across the entire arena floor. AND she had a crane that lifted her above my section on the arena floor, it was friggin' awesome!

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2008 06:04 AM

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Some of you guys seem to believe that she performs the way she does because she believes it's "good." And because of that, you think that she sucks at lives and shouldn't be doing them because she's just damaging her reputation even further. But perhaps there's something to it. A reason maybe? I dunno if she'll ever say "Oh, I'm sorry for not singing my best", but she's sure giving it her all despite not being able to hit notes too well. I think that's enough to make up for her bad vocals. At least she's performing and not being a grouch about it. [i.e: singing badly AND performing as if she's singing badly]
THANK YOU.

Some of you in this thread should probably read this over and over and over and over..

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRLevolution (Post 1285089)
i was at the show on the 31st, her cdl concerts are always the best shows. i was also at last year's best of cdl, and it's a tough choice between the two of them! this year she didn't mess up on any of the lyrics though haha, that's a first! i've seen ayu 4 times now and something always goes wrong, one time her belt fell off and she had peco help her put it back on, the other times she ended up forgetting lyrics. it's cute lol.

this cdl was really great, being in the audience, it was AWESOME to see her work the entire arena. she had three stages set up, and a walkway that stretched across the entire arena floor. AND she had a crane that lifted her above my section on the arena floor, it was friggin' awesome!

Apparently, the lyrics in glitter were wrong for the 2nd chorus. XD

Instead of "sagashi ni yukooouu" she sang "daiji ni shite" and was kinda laughing.. XD

octocoffee 3rd January 2008 06:14 AM

@Inorinouta
XD You're funny.

And yeah, I was thinking about that too. I think that this CDL was an especially important one for her, since it's her 10th Anniversary as well as a tribute the her special friend who died. If I was her, I'd want to put my all (wow, unexpected pun) into this. So, despite the vocals, I still loved this concert.

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2008 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by octocoffee (Post 1285189)
@Inorinouta
XD You're funny.

And yeah, I was thinking about that too. I think that this CDL was an especially important one for her, since it's her 10th Anniversary as well as a tribute the her special friend who died. If I was her, I'd want to put my all (wow, unexpected pun) into this. So, despite the vocals, I still loved this concert.

That's how I feel. If her vocals sounded rusty and unpolished, I could deal with that because the show itself was still an amazing one. I'm not trying to come up with excuses or anything for Ayu's sake, but this has been a really tough year alone just with the break up and the death of her friend: if she has any other worries going on, personal OR professional, that's bound to weigh hard on her and take away from her concentration. Thinking like that, there's no way I could fault her for shoddy vocal work on a few songs (because YES, the performance really wasn't bad overall) because that's not her standard: that's not something Ayu finds "acceptable."

mishidabo 3rd January 2008 06:46 AM

i just watched the CDL today... it was seriously boring.. i dunno if it was ayu's crappy vocals over the damn thing... but for some reason the dvd release is always more fun to watch (which is not a good thing :S)

anywho, wasnt expecting to much of this CDL, but the outfits were nice, and she did some effort to "dance".

One thing i had the biggest problem was the intro.. it is supposed to pump you up and get you all fired up for ayu, but this time... i couldnt bare it

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mishidabo (Post 1285219)
i just watched the CDL today... it was seriously boring.. i dunno if it was ayu's crappy vocals over the damn thing... but for some reason the dvd release is always more fun to watch (which is not a good thing :S)

anywho, wasnt expecting to much of this CDL, but the outfits were nice, and she did some effort to "dance".

One thing i had the biggest problem was the intro.. it is supposed to pump you up and get you all fired up for ayu, but this time... i couldnt bare it

Whatever. You're boring. :)

Ayumiko 3rd January 2008 07:38 AM

I finally finished downloading the whole freakin thing and watched it! Its definitely my fav cdl from ayu. :love

I do agree with mishidabo about the intro. There are better choice but this one is not bad. Reminds me of duty :love. Im glad she didnt use mirror as the intro. Save it for the tour! Unlike last year she used not yet as the intro for best of cdl :(

Honestly her vocals wasn't that bad like some of you guys said it was. I was expecting something far worse than this after reading the comments before watching. omg last year's was worse!

I love all the performances. Very entertaining. Ladies night, together when :love She performed some of the songs that I didn't think I would hear in this concert...and its a good thing! untitled for her and my all was sad :(

All the outfits are nice. The outfit for evolution was very well put together. I really like it. The school uniform outfit was really nice too. The decision outfit looks really cool on her with her hairstyle. This cdl definitely have the best outfits overall.

I can't wait till they release the dvd. I really want to add this concert dvd to my collection!

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 08:02 AM

I think "starting over" fit in with the theme that she was gonna "start over" this year.. in a way..

And she did use Not yet in the AT07 interlude-video-ness. It was before the Secret/part of Me performance. :D

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2008 08:34 AM

^ I agree. She probably used "Starting over" for a reason and.. well, what is New Year's but an opportunity to make promises to start over again in a new year?

I really can't wait for this to be released: I'd love or this to be my first Ayu DVD..

Kaiyn 3rd January 2008 08:36 AM

so dissapointed.. this would have been the best CDL imo ever if not for her shocking vocals :(

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285054)

Some of you guys seem to believe that she performs the way she does because she believes it's "good." And because of that, you think that she sucks at lives and shouldn't be doing them because she's just damaging her reputation even further. But perhaps there's something to it. A reason maybe? I dunno if she'll ever say "Oh, I'm sorry for not singing my best", but she's sure giving it her all despite not being able to hit notes too well. I think that's enough to make up for her bad vocals. At least she's performing and not being a grouch about it. [i.e: singing badly AND performing as if she's singing badly]

This simply isn't true at all, shes a singer, and generally singers are required to be able to sing in tune...if she was a little off it would be forgivable, because it was a good show... it's not like Ayu's selling point is her singing ability, but for songs like Surreal and Humming she was COMPLETELY off :( to the point where it was very annoying. I'm a huge fan of Ayu, i've flown to Tokyo to see past shows, but I'm not a blind fan... This person pretty much summarized how i feel:

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 1285045)
I have to say I'm pretty sad about this. It was a good show for a CDL, in terms of entertainment value, but it's by far the worse vocal performance during a concert to date for Ayu. I don't think she hit a single correct note during Surreal. The whole show was just an absolute mess...usually the unplugged section goes really well in her tours lately, but even these songs were not good. I really hope she rests her voice before her next full out tour, because if she's going to sound like this from now on...it's not worth touring.

The only thing worse than Ayu's vocals was peco and princess'...i'm actually beginning to wonder if maaaaybe someone majorly screwed up some of the equipment set up. Could they not hear themselves properly? Was Ayu's ear piece broken? The fact that she was so consistantly off-key makes me think it's a possibility.

ownsarai 3rd January 2008 08:53 AM

I only saw what truehappiness uploaded (the TV rips)...I thought Ayu's vocals were a little low, but I figured that to be because it was on TV and not in HQ.

I loved the opening "starting over" I also think it reflects how Ayu sees this year, a good starting over point. :)

"talkin' 2 myself" was FIERCE! Love the FIRE! The outfit is beautiful, I think it's one of my favorites from this year, besides the red outfit from "decision".

Ayu looks really HAWT in that red outfit. :D Ayu's vocals were good for "decison" but...OY! Peco & Princess, their back-up vocals RUINED it for me. *stabs them in the throat*

"RAINBOW" was nice, I loved the song the whole way through.

"fated" was great vocally and her outfit was gorgeous and sparkly, but, I'm sorry, Shuya should not have come out and did his "interpretive dancing"...to me it just looked a little silly and didn't really fit into the song...(maybe it's just me that thinks this)

"untitled~for her~" was very sad, I too cried, I could just see the emotion coming from Ayu, and it made me want to hug her. :yes

"MY ALL" was an awesome ender to the show...although the vocals weren't 100%, but it was nice to see the audience trying to do the parapara...:D I'm going to learn it myself!

Hoping to see the rest soon! I want to own this on DVD. In all I give it a 8/10 (based on the parts I've seen so far)

Kaiyn 3rd January 2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 1285045)
I have to say I'm pretty sad about this. It was a good show for a CDL, in terms of entertainment value, but it's by far the worse vocal performance during a concert to date for Ayu. I don't think she hit a single correct note during Surreal. The whole show was just an absolute mess...usually the unplugged section goes really well in her tours lately, but even these songs were not good. I really hope she rests her voice before her next full out tour, because if she's going to sound like this from now on...it's not worth touring.

Couldn't agree more :(...it was so bad ....;; the only thing i can think in Ayu's defense is maybe someone screwed up the equipment...and she couldn't here herself properly. It would make sense as she was so consistently off key, and Peco and Princess also sounded terrible...maybe this happened during surreal...hence the dramatic shift into one of the worst performances of Ayu's i can remember ever seeing..;;

If this CDL had the vocals from CDL 05-06 it would have been just about perfect...

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 08:59 AM

It wasn't as much "parapara" as it was just.. arm dancing. XD

Like B&G's LALA LALA LALA LAALAAALAAA when you move your arms up and down. And Trauma's kyooou no ureshii kanata wo or w/e.

Parapra involves leg movements of stepping to the side and such, whereas these ones are just audience interaction-moves. :D

ownsarai 3rd January 2008 09:19 AM

^meh, I just call it parapara anyway...:P But it looks like fun!

Ayumiko 3rd January 2008 10:15 AM

lol....I just remembered that girl in black with the huge ass and boobs. Hope we get to see her if there's documentary or something. I wanna see what they stuff in there. I can totally see ayu laughing really hard. haha

alternarist 3rd January 2008 10:32 AM

yeah... 1st of all, ayu's voice didnt make it that night. she was tired.. :(

i was a bit disappointed with the overall concert. i feel that the costumes were slightly boring and the stage set up wasnt too fanciful either. but i have a strong feeling that ayu is saving the best part for her ASIA TOUR so i jus gonna wait!!!!!!

i like the idea of having 3 stages cos you wun know when ayu will appear next!!! Ladies Night was fun with the guys trying to compete in dancing. Bold & Delicious looks weird without the bday cake stage :P but i still like it nonetheless..

i dint like the idea of having RAINBOW as the song for before/after the countdown. doesnt pump me up a lot.. lol..

Finally, i am glad that ayu used glitter as the ending song. it beats Boys & Girls though i like it a lot!!

i realised that there is one more male dancer, and 2 more female dancers. One of which left and joined back again!! i hope that she only joined back the dancing group for the CDL cos she is not pretty at all.... :P Midoring-u looks way too HOT!!!!!!!!!!

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 11:09 AM

i was watching RAINBOW on veoh.com

O_O the last part of the song is TOTALLY out of this world horrible...

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 11:38 AM

I think you're overreacting. :|

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285416)
I think you're overreacting. :|

u haven't seen me over-reacted... ^_^

...and ya, STEP you is pre-recorded

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285431)
u haven't seen me over-reacted... ^_^

...and ya, STEP you is pre-recorded

Blah.

You don't know that for a fact.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 12:04 PM

I dunno..sorry but I think this is really her worst CDL I've heard so far...Not that it's bad ..like..totally bad..but it lacks ayu's voice in it...last year's CDL still better... I dunno..in December last year ayu's lives were good but in this CDL..really... even I've only watched 3 perfs. but I think it sounds bad...in talkin' 2 myself,RAINBOW,and MY ALL,sorry ayu...this time u sound not that good...I hope Asia Tour next year will be good

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by se7entheaven (Post 1285435)
I dunno..sorry but I think this is really her worst CDL I've heard so far...Not that it's bad ..like..totally bad..but it lacks ayu's voice in it...last year's CDL still better... I dunno..in December last year ayu's lives were good but in this CDL..really... even I've only watched 3 perfs. but I think it sounds bad...in talkin' 2 myself,RAINBOW,and MY ALL,sorry ayu...this time u sound not that good...I hope Asia Tour next year will be good

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The performances you watched weren't even the best examples of CDL though..

MY ALL, she was sobbing throughout the song, so that obviously isn't a good vocal number, talkin' 2 myself was one of her best performances of the song yet [although the mic should be set louder], so perhaps you've never seen the TV performances? And for RAINBOW... it was okay but not terrible. I'd say she's done better, and probably did do a lot better on 12/30.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 12:12 PM

truehappiness you are a really good fans of ayu and nice 'defender' here to comment on all the negatives comments abouth this CDL..I LIKE U ^^ LOL
well...I change a bit ok...um...actually I finished watching MY ALL perf. and I think she's still GOOD coz...u know...she still can reach the last part (hi-pitch)...I like that...ya maybe she's exhausted...can't blame her...singers are not always perfect...sometimes koda kumi also cant reach the notes in ai no uta where she keeps making it longer tunes in 'ai no uh-taaaaa'... lol

Choyan 3rd January 2008 12:13 PM

you know what XD try listening to ONLY ayu's voice in a GOOD earphone... sounds a lot better actually~
generally she's like.... 1/4 of a tone off, occasionally 1/2 tone to 1 tone off but otherwise it REALLY is ... like...Peco and Yoko... XP but um yeah.... XP lol

first few times I listened to it, it DID sound real bad :/ XD earphones sounded A LOT better o-O

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by se7entheaven (Post 1285450)
singers are not always perfect...sometimes koda kumi also cant reach the notes in ai no uta

i think ayumi can't hit ANY of the notes...

where r all the vocal training went to?! or maybe she doesn't have any in the first place...

u're a singer, ayumi! Go get some singing lessons for heaven sake! :yes:yes (am i over-reacting?)

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285455)
i think ayumi can't hit ANY of the notes...

where r all the vocal training went to?! or maybe she doesn't have any in the first place...

u're a singer, ayumi! Go get some singing lessons for heaven sake! :yes:yes (am i over-reacting?)

I don't really know, since you're technically not really an Ayu fan. :\

You remind me of PrincessAyu, with your negative comments for no real reason D:

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 12:25 PM

^ lol
the one who really needs to do that is Leah Dizon lol

If ayu never trains her vocal (ok even sometimes sounds bad) she'll not rehearse already lol...she rehearse and train altogether while fixing some parts...can't u see the documentary? maybe her voice turns deeper but that's what most of us like...especially me...like don't u hate evrytime ayu sounds too squeaky and sounds like she's 'trying' to do so? It's bad ^^.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285458)
I don't really know, since you're technically not really an Ayu fan. :\

dun get me wrong...i still like her music..

i brought all her albums to date and i really like GULITY ,and been playing it repeatly for days...

so do that still make me her fan? :rolleyes

all this while...i'm just seeing both good and not-so-good sides of her instead of getting blinded by her glamorous...:yes

i get over the 'ayu is a god' state years ago...

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285468)
all this while...i'm just seeing both good and not-so-good sides of her instead of getting blinded by her glamorous...:yes

i get over the 'ayu is a god' state years ago...

I'm seeing her good and bad sides too, but it seems that all you see is negative judging from your posts. :\

Trust me, I got over the Ayu = God thing ages ago, but she's still one of the best JPOP artists to me.

Cys86 3rd January 2008 12:29 PM

I can't believe that the vocals for STEP you and other songs were recorded earlier. I'm sooooooo shocked. I think this has been the first time she lip synced. Are you guys serious that she did it before, on other concerts??? I'm like so disappointed right now. Ayu always says that the most important thing for her is to be honest with her fans and herself.

You can't defend Ayu no matter what. True AyuFan is able to criticize her when she needs to be

rikku411 3rd January 2008 12:29 PM

Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys, and i've read through enough to see people fall on both sides of the fence, but I LOVED the concert.

Call me naive because I haven't seen any of the other CDLs, but I really don't care.

Yes, her vocals were so-so some of the time, but I don't really mind. To me, last year was worse.

The vibe was awesome, and she sang well enough for me. It looked like she worked hard and I liked every performance of this.

I loved the dancing, the costumes, and just the whole sincere and personal atmosphere. I thought the tracklist was good (Ladies Night was a plus!) in maintaining both the "black and white" and in-between, and it was really good.

I especially liked the dancing 'A' and how everyone did the choreographed moves, it was good.

I'm definitely getting this on DVD when it comes out.

P.S. I'm glad I watched the concert before reading this thread.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rikku411 (Post 1285476)
W
I'm definitely getting this on DVD when it comes out.

i bet she will sound perfectly ok when the dvd is out.. and this is not a negative comment cuz it's fact :yes:yes

rikku411 3rd January 2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285485)
i bet she will sound perfectly ok when the dvd is out.. and i'm not giving negative comment cuz they're facts :yes:yes

that may be very true haha, but, well, idkk xDD

i'm not gonna make an excuse, but maybe it might not sound AS WELL AS the dvd because the TV ver. is just not as high quality, in terms of sound.

but I wasn't at the concert, so i'll never know (?)

i was having a bad day, and the concert cheered me up soo, I'm happy either way... as long as I had fun, I'm satisfied. but I do think she does need to work on her vocals, but like I said, I'm satisfied.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285474)
I can't believe that the vocals for STEP you and other songs were recorded earlier. I'm sooooooo shocked. I think this has been the first time she lip synced. Are you guys serious that she did it before, on other concerts??? I'm like so disappointed right now. Ayu always says that the most important thing for her is to be honest with her fans and herself.

You can't defend Ayu no matter what. True AyuFan is able to criticize her when she needs to be

She probably didn't lipsynch so to speak..

As some people said, she had backing vocals to songs [like MY ALL. You can hear them clearly after she announced, "VOCAL, AYU DESHITA!"] so it's possible that she got drowned out by the backing vocals.

And of course the DVD sounds better, it's not just a mashup of random volumes of band+choral+Ayu sound, but rather they're all equal and loud when they need to be. It didn't help that many of the loud songs required her to try to sing louder than the background music [t2m, decision]

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285487)
she had backing vocals to songs [like MY ALL. You can hear them clearly after she announced, "VOCAL, AYU DESHITA!"] so it's possible that she got drowned out by the backing vocals.

there's no much backing vocals for STEP you..u can clearly hear here vocal from the video...

the vocal is of the right pitch, on key, very stable...:yes isn't that obivous that it's not coming out of her mouth during that point of time?! :yes

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285487)
And of course the DVD sounds better, it's not just a mashup of random volumes of band+choral+Ayu sound, but rather they're all equal and loud when they need to be

the DVD not only has altered volumes of all the sounds from the concert (those are meant to be altered in live DVD) BUT...they altered ayumi's voice just like what they did in studio, editing off-key notes into perfectly sounded vocal.... they can even make me sounded like a pro-singer on stage !

so u can never believe what u hear from ayumi's DVDs and because of that i never like ayumi's concert DVDs

HilaryDuffFanboy 3rd January 2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285442)
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The performances you watched weren't even the best examples of CDL though..

MY ALL, she was sobbing throughout the song, so that obviously isn't a good vocal number, talkin' 2 myself was one of her best performances of the song yet [although the mic should be set louder], so perhaps you've never seen the TV performances? And for RAINBOW... it was okay but not terrible. I'd say she's done better, and probably did do a lot better on 12/30.

Yeah you know, I was really surprised when I watched the TV version of talkin' 2 myself. Everything just sounded not as loud. I was there and trust me her voice was MUCH louder than that. The TV recording just must be really crap.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HilaryDuffFanboy (Post 1285495)
Yeah you know, I was really surprised when I watched the TV version of talkin' 2 myself. Everything just sounded not as loud. I was there and trust me her voice was MUCH louder than that. The TV recording just must be really crap.

First hand account, thank you very much. :|

Hey, was STEP you lipsynched in your opinion? O_o

ayumisrael 3rd January 2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285494)
there's no much backing vocals for STEP you..u can clearly hear here vocal from the video...

the vocal is of the right pitch, on key, very stable...:yes isn't that obivous that it's not coming out of her mouth during that point of time?! :yes



the DVD not only has altered volumes of all the sounds from the concert (those are meant to be altered in live DVD) BUT...they altered ayumi's voice just like what they did in studio, editing off-key notes into perfectly sounded vocal.... they can even make me sounded like a pro-singer on stage !

so u can never believe what u hear from ayumi's DVDs and because of that i never like ayumi's concert DVDs

Yes I can believe because it's ayu's voice, and she's singing so I couldn't care less.

HilaryDuffFanboy 3rd January 2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285496)
First hand account, thank you very much. :|

Hey, was STEP you lipsynched in your opinion? O_o

No. I never ever think she lip syncs that. She always says stuff like 'Hey come on' and 'Oh! Oh! Oh!' etc during these songs and for me that is proof that it is live. Plus it didn't sound lip synced to me at all.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1285497)
Yes I can believe because it's ayu's voice, and she's singing so I couldn't care less.

Exactly my attitudes!

I believe that the DVD is my "gateway" so to speak, to being right there with her, for like 50 dollars. XD

Instead of paying the thousand+ to go to Japan and get a ticket to see her live. The concert DVD is all most fans have to see her performance, and that's enough for most people. :)

Cys86 3rd January 2008 12:58 PM

To be honest with you guys, Im' like sooo confused at the moment and I don't know what to think about this whole lip sync thing. I was so naive to believe that the DVD's are live!

ayumisrael 3rd January 2008 12:59 PM

Gah, people throw she lip-sync stuff without any proof. Just because the lack of the bad things that can be said this time :laugh

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285505)
To be honest with you guys, Im' like sooo confused at the moment and I don't know what to think about this whole lip sync thing. I was so naive to believe that the DVD's are live!

NON of the songs are lip-synced, gosh.

You are big enough to listen and watch yourself, they don't even sound pre-recorded at all.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285505)
To be honest with you guys, Im' like sooo confused at the moment and I don't know what to think about this whole lip sync thing. I was so naive to believe that the DVD's are live!

For the most part, DVDs ARE live. It is 100% Ayu's singing.

Don't let what UHPlus said get to you. If what he said was true, then his precious Namie Amuro DVDs aren't live either. :|

HilaryDuffFanboy 3rd January 2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285510)
For the most part, DVDs ARE live. It is 100% Ayu's singing.

Don't let what UHPlus said get to you. If what he said was true, then his precious Namie Amuro DVDs aren't live either. :|

Yeah but they still edit it. There is no way she can ever do Ladies Night so that it resembles the CD version, but they will just edit it so that it sounds much better.

I do believe Ayu never lip syncs unless she is sick like in CDL 02-03. And why STEP you of all songs? It's not that hard to sing. So she'd lip STEP you but not the following Ladies Night which is really hard to do live? That isn't making much sense people.

Oh and by the way Namie Amuro is just one of the best ever live performers! She was freaking amazing with all the dancing and top notch singing.

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HilaryDuffFanboy (Post 1285514)
Yeah but they still edit it. There is no way she can ever do Ladies Night so that it resembles the CD version, but they will just edit it so that it sounds much better.

I do believe Ayu never lip syncs unless she is sick like in CDL 02-03. And why STEP you of all songs? It's not that hard to sing. So she'd lip STEP you but not the following Ladies Night which is really hard to do live? That isn't making much sense people.

True. I know it's edited, but she's still the one singing. :)

Ladies Night was electro anyway, performances of it probably.. wouldn't work out. I think Perfume's performances are kinda like that.. they're not totally lipsynched, but because of the electro element..

Huaka 3rd January 2008 01:06 PM

Yeah, that's right. If you listen to the concert in high quality earphones she sounds much better singing. Although Surreal was definitely the worst of the bunch, (and Evolution to me, but I never liked that song live except for the Dome Tour one) but her vocals weren't horrendous.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285510)
If what he said was true, then his precious Namie Amuro DVDs aren't live either. :|

yes! u r right! :yes

e.g I WILL & toi et moi from SO CRAZY tour 2003-2004 , ALL FOR YOU from Space of Hip-Pop tour 2005

they are not her live vocal...i can tell cuz i can hear
it's pre-recorded cuz u can compare the performances with her previous n after songs...

as for ayumi..how can she went from 'nice perfect' vocal to 'horribly off-tune' in just a few songs and costumes changes?

did she accidentally drunk detergents when she's off stage? :yes

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285523)
yes! u r right! :yes

e.g I WILL & toi et moi from SO CRAZY tour 2003-2004 , ALL FOR YOU from Space of Hip-Pop tour 2005

they are not her live vocal...i can tell cuz i can hear
it's pre-recorded cuz u can compare the performances with her previous n after songs...

as for ayumi..how can she went from 'nice perfect' vocal to 'horribly off-tune' in just a few songs and costumes changes?

did she accidentally drunk detergents when she's off stage? :yes

Some of the things you say are really out of line o_o;.

She probably couldn't sing her best anymore due to fatigue. :|

HilaryDuffFanboy 3rd January 2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285523)
yes! u r right! :yes

e.g I WILL & toi et moi from SO CRAZY tour 2003-2004 , ALL FOR YOU from Space of Hip-Pop tour 2005
they are not her live vocal...i can tell cuz i can hear
it's pre-recorded cuz u can compare the performances with her previous n after songs...

as for ayumi..how can she went from 'nice perfect' vocal to 'horribly off-tune' in just a few songs and costumes changes?

did she accidentally drunk detergents when she's off stage? :yes

That song is so live. I listened to an audio rip for months on end because I was bloody in love with it and I am sure it's live, it's so different to the studio version, Namie DVD's aren't edited anywhere near as much as Ayus.

Cys86 3rd January 2008 01:16 PM

No matter what the truth is she needs to rest or it will definetely be the end of Ayu not becouse people will stop listen to her but she will damage her ear completely

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HilaryDuffFanboy (Post 1285526)
That song is so live. I listened to an audio rip for months on end because I was bloody in love with it and I am sure it's live, it's so different to the studio version, Namie DVD's aren't edited anywhere near as much as Ayus.

maybe i should say it's not live but it was edited alot..

if u watch namie's tv performances of ALL FOR YOU...then THAT is the real deal... the dvd's one sounded too smooth cuz namie's raw vocal is rather deep n coarse

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285528)
No matter what the truth is she needs to rest or it will definetely be the end of Ayu not becouse people will stop listen to her but she will damage her ear completely

i think what she need is some vocal training...she actually sounded pretty good back in 2000~2001 but after all these years it turned much much worse

ayumisrael 3rd January 2008 01:22 PM

People that were there actually enjoyed ayu's vocal performance so I don't have to say much about it.
I'm still waiting for it to finish download. It's 85% :yes

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285532)
i think what she need is some vocal training...she actually sounded pretty good back in 2000~2001 but after all these years it turned much much worse

No... she was pretty baaaadd back then too. And if you didn't watch Docu of BEST of CDL, you should. She does a ton of vocal practice.

And stop making Cys86 all confused! Jeez!

People will NOT stop listening to Ayu because of a bad live. They aren't that coldhearted unless they're demonic or something and demand perfection.

ayumisrael 3rd January 2008 01:31 PM

I think that ayu's vocals became much better through the years much better than the vocals she had... It's just a matter of preferece I guess and how you like it.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285534)
demand perfection.

? perfection?

the basic requirement if being a SINGer is to sing well...

ok... she can sing while in the recording studio and stuffs, but she can't even have the confidence to perform good live vocal in her concerts...what had she been doing all these while?

a singer who can't sing live...imo she's a pop idol / icon / fashionist and hell she's not a singer or musician...

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285541)
? perfection?

the basic requirement if being a SINGer is to sing well...

ok... she can sing while in the recording studio and stuffs, but she can't even have the confidence to perform good live vocal in her concerts...what had she been doing all these while?

a singer who can't sing live...imo she's a pop idol / icon / fashionist and hell she's not a singer or musician...

Doesn't have the confidence? Then what is she doing out there singing anyway? Jeez, choose your words correctly.

She can sing in her concerts, as proven by what HilaryDuffFanBoy saw, and I don't think anything you say can change that fact. :|

And if you read my post entirely, you'd notice that I said that fans who would leave her just because of one bad live would be demanding perfection from her. :|

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285551)
just because of one bad live would be demanding perfection from her. :|

god bless you..i seen too much to make me disappointed in her

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285551)
Then what is she doing out there singing anyway?

just because of one bad live would be demanding perfection from her. :|

god bless you..i seen too much to make me disappointed in her

and she's not singing...she's producing off-pitched sounds:no:no

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:05 PM

wow
seems that there are battles here between UHPlus and truehappiness
It's ok guys
both of you are in love with different artist-namie and ayu...so let it be
I wonder If namie sounds like ayu in CDL will UHPlus still dare to 'protect' like truehappiness does? LOL admit it...nobody's perfect guys... as long as ayu sings LIVE it's ok...can u imagine if ayu is someone like britney? lol I will 'die' soon if I found out so

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285562)
god bless you..i seen too much to make me disappointed in her

and she's not singing...she's producing off-pitched sounds:no:no

Maybe to you, but then again, I have to repeat myself: You're really bad at being an Ayu fan. At least have the decency to not be an idiot about things like this. In the end, you end up looking like a foolish person anyway. :irked

As Ayu says:
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Whether or not I may do something
I'm talked about behind my back
Let it be


se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285562)
god bless you..i seen too much to make me disappointed in her

and she's not singing...she's producing off-pitched sounds:no:no


how do u know that?
do u think ayu pretends to do so? or she wants to sing off pitched? It's not her fault dear...singers are human..ok..they are not perfect...u can't always demand her to sing like the most perfect singer in the world lol...she's not perfect and that's what makes her nice to watch...when people has an unperfection in them...they are human...not GOD lol...I think u know that.

well...ayu has tried her best...u can't expect your throat to sounds good like all the time...can u ask it to sounds good? like if you cough can u ask it to stop so u can sing well...? that's magical

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by se7entheaven (Post 1285567)
so let it be
I wonder If namie sounds like ayu in CDL will UHPlus still dare to 'protect' like truehappiness does?

if namie was to sound anything like ayumi...i'll F her and tell her to go take some vocal lessons ... i wouldn't be interested in her in the first place....

luckily the one and only jpop singer i know who can't sing live is ayumi..maybe ERIKA too...that's why she never sang live before on during her tv performances...

YUI also has a very shaky and untrained live vocal...but she sounded great with only acoustic guitar and not with a live band...

for ayumi, nothing beautiful comes out of her mouth that are not edited or altered with...

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UHPlus (Post 1285573)
if namie was to sound anything like ayumi...i'll F her and tell her to go take some vocal lessons ... i wouldn't be interested in her in the first place....

luckily the one and only jpop singer i know who can't sing live is ayumi

for ayumi, nothing beautiful comes out of her mouth that are not edited or altered with...

You, sir, are a terrible person.

I don't know if anyone in the world would want to have you as a fan. So rotten! :(

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:16 PM

OH NO
u turn out to be so evil UHPlus
that's mean man !
"luckily the one and only jpop singer i know who can't sing live is ayumi.."

THE ONE AND ONLY
wow
have u done like...A LOT OF RESEARCH ?
well...ok if u dun like her then let her be...it;s not her will to sounds bad. but she 's been so good in live as far as i know...her voice is what makes her so special.it's hard to be popular coz we are always talked behind lol

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285576)
You, sir, are a terrible person.

I don't know if anyone in the world would want to have you as a fan. So rotten! :(

can't agree more
he's mean man..let it be..with namie amuro lol...maniac

Huaka 3rd January 2008 02:18 PM

Pah, Namie had her share of terrible performances too. Hamasaki has a ton of wonderful performances. Why in the world would anyone want you as a fan? Seriously, if I had to deal with someone as negative and cynical as you, I would slap them senseless.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:20 PM

thanx Huaka for helping here lol

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Huaka (Post 1285582)
Pah, Namie had her share of terrible performances too. Hamasaki has a ton of wonderful performances. Why in the world would anyone want you as a fan? Seriously, if I had to deal with someone as negative and cynical as you, I would slap them senseless.

Seriously. To give up on an artist for a bad performance... he shouldn't even be called a fan of Namie Amuro OR Ayu...

I know I've stretched the definition of a "fan" before, but seriously. I don't think UHPlus is a fan of either of these artists.. or any artist for that matter. :(

Huaka 3rd January 2008 02:25 PM

Yeah, I'd love to see what artist reaches his ridiculous standards. Every singer has their good and bad performances. It's the real fan who sticks by them through thick and thin.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1285576)
You, sir, are a terrible person.

I don't know if anyone in the world would want to have you as a fan. So rotten! :(

too bad...all the years of disappointment cuz by ayumi turn me into this...

she deserved it :yes :yes

why in the first place i'm in this forum? cuz i'm her hard-core fan like the rest of u years ago..during 2002~2003

i used to also protect ayumi from all those ppl who say she's can't sing, her voice damn screechy, her voice hurts their ears...

but even since i get to know namie, boa, hikki (btw, my nick is named after hikki ..Utada Hikaru Single Clip Collection UH3+)..i slowly found out that what most of them said are true and other jpop singers actually CAN sing very well. I was totally impressed by namie for being able to dance + sing perfectly on tune unlike ayumi who can't even sing her own songs on key even if she was sitting emotionless...

u see, i was a frog in a well who only saw the beautiful sky of ayumi but after jumped out of the well, i saw skies with rainbows, clouds and birds which are much much better then ayumi's...

*wipe sweats* that will be all for today (it's been a while also ^_^) dun get me wrong cuz she still producing high quality which surprisingly i still like... i found fated damn boring when it first came out but now i'm been humming it all the time cuz it's struck in my head..it's a very beautiful song!!!

i'll end this argument here ^_^

truehappiness 3rd January 2008 02:30 PM

I listen to other artists who can sing, and so what?

They will never be Ayu, because Ayu is Ayumi Hamasaki, and there can be only one.

No one deserves to be talked about like this. Not even Koda Kumi. :| [and I HATE her.]

Huaka 3rd January 2008 02:34 PM

Yeah, no artist deserves such condescending crap such as this. BoA, Hikki, Namie? Please, they don't sing perfectly every time. I've heard a lot of cringe-worthy performances from all of them. You could say us Ayu fans are blinded but you're doing the exact same thing for your favorite singers, so I wouldn't say such hypocritical bs.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:44 PM

^^ ayu can't have the voice kuu has, and hikki has, or BoA has, or maybe Yuna Ito (I found out her voice is cool), but won't that be so nice coz every artist have their own unique voice? and especially their own ways and styles of singing ?
UHPlus...won't u feel weird if ALL Japanese ladies singers' voices sound like namie LOL
hahahahhahahahahhahahahaa

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Huaka (Post 1285602)
Yeah, no artist deserves such condescending crap such as this. BoA, Hikki, Namie? Please, they don't sing perfectly every time. I've heard a lot of cringe-worthy performances from all of them. You could say us Ayu fans are blinded but you're doing the exact same thing for your favorite singers, so I wouldn't say such hypocritical bs.

yes it's true...most of the singers can't sing perfectly all the times :( :(

but .... ayumi can't even sing up to the basic standard most of the time...

so there's no excuses for ayumi to be singing live that poorly cuz she's a singer... maybe popularities is the only thing that is keeping her up all these years?

Cys86 3rd January 2008 02:47 PM

Ayumi is not only a good singer (yes GOOD, have you seen AT2002 unpluged) although she doesn't sing prefectly her voice is beautiful and much better than on the studio recordings becouse it is not so sweet. What's more she writes ALL her lyrics and even compose music to her songs. Maybe she is not the best singer but she is an ARTIST and that is enough for me.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 02:55 PM

SHE'S NOT SINGING THAT BAD OK ! If she can't sing...NOT only you...but LOTS of us here will leave her soon ok...
oh no u are so mean UHPlus...WAKE UP !
hahahhahaa u are the worst I've known so far...the meanest man in this forum I can see LOL

I AGREE with Cys86...ayu has the 'X-factor' that makes me enjoy to see her everytime she does LIVE performances...maybe she doesn't sing that GOOD, but it's always better then CD...really...I've always prefered her LIVE then CD

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285616)
Ayumi is not only a good singer (yes GOOD, have you seen AT2002 unpluged) although she doesn't sing prefectly her voice is beautiful and much better than on the studio recordings becouse it is not so sweet. What's more she writes ALL her lyrics and even compose music to her songs. Maybe she is not the best singer but she is an ARTIST and that is enough for me.

yes..u r right also...

but i'm just damn frustrated about some ayumi fans being so blinded as to constantly denying that she's sings perfectly well when ayumi is way off-key or out of tune ...and when she's obviously not sing live...ppl insisting she is...

she's a jpop artist...i appreciate her lyrics and like her music but as a singer, she can't just go up stage and give half-ass vocal. And it's only this time round (although it's the worse i seen), way back 2002 arena tour, she live vocal was already a big problem and instead of doing something... she just do the same thing all these years...

maybe i should accept ayumi as who she is, not what i want her to be..maybe i have too high expectations of her able to perform a top-notch live concert...maybe that why after i saw the CDL 07-08, it makes me boil inside...

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Originally Posted by se7entheaven (Post 1285622)
oh no u are so mean UHPlus...WAKE UP !

dun u get it? i had woken up!!! if i'm still asleep..i will be here telling ppl how great ayumi's CDL was! "although the vocal sounded a bit bad (maybe she has cold or her vocal-core is not ready yet) but i loved her hair, her costumes and i going get the DVD.."

futureLOVE 3rd January 2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ownsarai (Post 1285303)
"fated" was great vocally and her outfit was gorgeous and sparkly, but, I'm sorry, Shuya should not have come out and did his "interpretive dancing"...to me it just looked a little silly and didn't really fit into the song...(maybe it's just me that thinks this)

i agree...Shuya's dance looks dumb. it definitely doesn't look like it fits the song or anything. it would of been just as effective without him.

se7entheaven 3rd January 2008 03:02 PM

^^ hahahha
u are FUNNY
well...people say she sings perfectly coz it's just BEAUTIFUL than the CD does...maybe u are senseless LOL...hahahhaha
open your ear plug...lol....she has the emotions in it...happy or sad..and she never ACT like so...even if I like Koda Kumi, she can't have that 'IT' Factor when she sings live...imagine when she sings ballad she still can smile here and there?

Cys86 3rd January 2008 03:05 PM

UHPlus I understand your point, I'm not an Ayu Fanatic, and she dissapointed me many times since MY STORY period. Her singing is coused by the injury she expirianced during Dome Tour, she is talkining about it in NTV interview.

Come on, face it, the jpop singers are very commercialized (I hate it!) and Ayu has to do everything what avex tells her to do. (Remember A BEST) The only true Ayu is inside the lyrics. At least I think so.

UHPlus 3rd January 2008 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by se7entheaven (Post 1285630)
she has the emotions in it...happy or sad..and she never ACT like so...

maybe the emotions itself can cover up all the technical problem of her singing...:yes

and ppl say namie looked dead/emotionless when she sings...

i think i can simply says she never ACT like so... cuz if she's acting, she will be smiling and beaming all the time right?

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Originally Posted by Cys86 (Post 1285633)

Come on, face it, the jpop singers are very commercialized (I hate it!)

very true..i think the reason why i still love namie after all these years cuz she been doing things that can't sell well and not to the public's liking...she did what she like and what she wants...

ayufan89 3rd January 2008 03:06 PM

I know by posting this it would make everyone here hate me, but honestly her vocals were just OFF during Surreal and the last few songs before the encore. And it's quite obvious STEPyou is pre-recorded. In fact evolution also sound pre-recorded to me. The texture of the voice in Step you just sounds so different, if you compare it w Ladies Night. She might have pre-record it cos of the costume change after talkin' 2 myself and she would be breathless after all the running and changing to sing Step You properly.

Huaka 3rd January 2008 03:06 PM

Excuse me? I don't think she sings perfectly, I know her concert had pitch problems in some areas, but it wasn't god-awful as you seem to be implying. I even said it was fine. And lip-synching? Please, her voice would sound CD-quality if that was the case. STEP you definitely wasn't, I could hear her breathing and sounding out of breath throughout the song, and it's easier to pull off than a lot of others. Heck, I could sing it and keep it relatively near her tune for the most part. You need to put on some good earphones and crank the volume up. You can hear the difference.


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