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coz last 3 year's CDL were great imo...maybe um...06=07 not that good but still manageable |
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I don't think she lipsynched for all of theme of a-nation... :\ Oh well. Whatever. It's not like she did it for the whole concert if she did do it. |
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Maybe they were simply heavily edited in the DVD versions? O_o [Greatful days for A MUSEUM and Real me for AT03-04] |
I can't see how Greatful days would be lipsynched. I just watched the TV version of A MUSEUM. Seems fine really. It's as truehappiness says I think.
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Umm. I've never seen the TV version. I'm talking about the DVD version.
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DVD version was probably edited like woah. [As was Ladies Night ~AT06 version~] |
i still didn't watch 07-08 (will tomorrow when it will finish download) but ayu definitly didn't lipsync on most of the songs people mentioned here, she barely does you can hear her voice is live clearly.
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I have to say I'm pretty sad about this. It was a good show for a CDL, in terms of entertainment value, but it's by far the worse vocal performance during a concert to date for Ayu. I don't think she hit a single correct note during Surreal. The whole show was just an absolute mess...usually the unplugged section goes really well in her tours lately, but even these songs were not good. I really hope she rests her voice before her next full out tour, because if she's going to sound like this from now on...it's not worth touring.
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Also, the unplugged section seemed to carry more emotions for Ayu than she'd have hoped. Perhaps she wanted to get those songs out of the way? D: |
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But the thing is, she still smiles and stuff instead of totally bumming out and ruining the performance.. Ayu has been known to perform with injuries and sickness in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was ill or exhausted beyond belief :\ Some of you guys seem to believe that she performs the way she does because she believes it's "good." And because of that, you think that she sucks at lives and shouldn't be doing them because she's just damaging her reputation even further. But perhaps there's something to it. A reason maybe? I dunno if she'll ever say "Oh, I'm sorry for not singing my best", but she's sure giving it her all despite not being able to hit notes too well. I think that's enough to make up for her bad vocals. At least she's performing and not being a grouch about it. [i.e: singing badly AND performing as if she's singing badly] |
has there been a confirmation as to why she canceled the CDTV performance?
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Ayu messed up her choreography at the end of t2m :laugh
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i was at the show on the 31st, her cdl concerts are always the best shows. i was also at last year's best of cdl, and it's a tough choice between the two of them! this year she didn't mess up on any of the lyrics though haha, that's a first! i've seen ayu 4 times now and something always goes wrong, one time her belt fell off and she had peco help her put it back on, the other times she ended up forgetting lyrics. it's cute lol.
this cdl was really great, being in the audience, it was AWESOME to see her work the entire arena. she had three stages set up, and a walkway that stretched across the entire arena floor. AND she had a crane that lifted her above my section on the arena floor, it was friggin' awesome! |
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Some of you in this thread should probably read this over and over and over and over.. |
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Instead of "sagashi ni yukooouu" she sang "daiji ni shite" and was kinda laughing.. XD |
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XD You're funny. And yeah, I was thinking about that too. I think that this CDL was an especially important one for her, since it's her 10th Anniversary as well as a tribute the her special friend who died. If I was her, I'd want to put my all (wow, unexpected pun) into this. So, despite the vocals, I still loved this concert. |
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i just watched the CDL today... it was seriously boring.. i dunno if it was ayu's crappy vocals over the damn thing... but for some reason the dvd release is always more fun to watch (which is not a good thing :S)
anywho, wasnt expecting to much of this CDL, but the outfits were nice, and she did some effort to "dance". One thing i had the biggest problem was the intro.. it is supposed to pump you up and get you all fired up for ayu, but this time... i couldnt bare it |
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I finally finished downloading the whole freakin thing and watched it! Its definitely my fav cdl from ayu. :love
I do agree with mishidabo about the intro. There are better choice but this one is not bad. Reminds me of duty :love. Im glad she didnt use mirror as the intro. Save it for the tour! Unlike last year she used not yet as the intro for best of cdl :( Honestly her vocals wasn't that bad like some of you guys said it was. I was expecting something far worse than this after reading the comments before watching. omg last year's was worse! I love all the performances. Very entertaining. Ladies night, together when :love She performed some of the songs that I didn't think I would hear in this concert...and its a good thing! untitled for her and my all was sad :( All the outfits are nice. The outfit for evolution was very well put together. I really like it. The school uniform outfit was really nice too. The decision outfit looks really cool on her with her hairstyle. This cdl definitely have the best outfits overall. I can't wait till they release the dvd. I really want to add this concert dvd to my collection! |
I think "starting over" fit in with the theme that she was gonna "start over" this year.. in a way..
And she did use Not yet in the AT07 interlude-video-ness. It was before the Secret/part of Me performance. :D |
^ I agree. She probably used "Starting over" for a reason and.. well, what is New Year's but an opportunity to make promises to start over again in a new year?
I really can't wait for this to be released: I'd love or this to be my first Ayu DVD.. |
so dissapointed.. this would have been the best CDL imo ever if not for her shocking vocals :(
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I only saw what truehappiness uploaded (the TV rips)...I thought Ayu's vocals were a little low, but I figured that to be because it was on TV and not in HQ.
I loved the opening "starting over" I also think it reflects how Ayu sees this year, a good starting over point. :) "talkin' 2 myself" was FIERCE! Love the FIRE! The outfit is beautiful, I think it's one of my favorites from this year, besides the red outfit from "decision". Ayu looks really HAWT in that red outfit. :D Ayu's vocals were good for "decison" but...OY! Peco & Princess, their back-up vocals RUINED it for me. *stabs them in the throat* "RAINBOW" was nice, I loved the song the whole way through. "fated" was great vocally and her outfit was gorgeous and sparkly, but, I'm sorry, Shuya should not have come out and did his "interpretive dancing"...to me it just looked a little silly and didn't really fit into the song...(maybe it's just me that thinks this) "untitled~for her~" was very sad, I too cried, I could just see the emotion coming from Ayu, and it made me want to hug her. :yes "MY ALL" was an awesome ender to the show...although the vocals weren't 100%, but it was nice to see the audience trying to do the parapara...:D I'm going to learn it myself! Hoping to see the rest soon! I want to own this on DVD. In all I give it a 8/10 (based on the parts I've seen so far) |
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If this CDL had the vocals from CDL 05-06 it would have been just about perfect... |
It wasn't as much "parapara" as it was just.. arm dancing. XD
Like B&G's LALA LALA LALA LAALAAALAAA when you move your arms up and down. And Trauma's kyooou no ureshii kanata wo or w/e. Parapra involves leg movements of stepping to the side and such, whereas these ones are just audience interaction-moves. :D |
^meh, I just call it parapara anyway...:P But it looks like fun!
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lol....I just remembered that girl in black with the huge ass and boobs. Hope we get to see her if there's documentary or something. I wanna see what they stuff in there. I can totally see ayu laughing really hard. haha
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yeah... 1st of all, ayu's voice didnt make it that night. she was tired.. :(
i was a bit disappointed with the overall concert. i feel that the costumes were slightly boring and the stage set up wasnt too fanciful either. but i have a strong feeling that ayu is saving the best part for her ASIA TOUR so i jus gonna wait!!!!!! i like the idea of having 3 stages cos you wun know when ayu will appear next!!! Ladies Night was fun with the guys trying to compete in dancing. Bold & Delicious looks weird without the bday cake stage :P but i still like it nonetheless.. i dint like the idea of having RAINBOW as the song for before/after the countdown. doesnt pump me up a lot.. lol.. Finally, i am glad that ayu used glitter as the ending song. it beats Boys & Girls though i like it a lot!! i realised that there is one more male dancer, and 2 more female dancers. One of which left and joined back again!! i hope that she only joined back the dancing group for the CDL cos she is not pretty at all.... :P Midoring-u looks way too HOT!!!!!!!!!! |
i was watching RAINBOW on veoh.com
O_O the last part of the song is TOTALLY out of this world horrible... |
I think you're overreacting. :|
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...and ya, STEP you is pre-recorded |
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You don't know that for a fact. |
I dunno..sorry but I think this is really her worst CDL I've heard so far...Not that it's bad ..like..totally bad..but it lacks ayu's voice in it...last year's CDL still better... I dunno..in December last year ayu's lives were good but in this CDL..really... even I've only watched 3 perfs. but I think it sounds bad...in talkin' 2 myself,RAINBOW,and MY ALL,sorry ayu...this time u sound not that good...I hope Asia Tour next year will be good
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The performances you watched weren't even the best examples of CDL though.. MY ALL, she was sobbing throughout the song, so that obviously isn't a good vocal number, talkin' 2 myself was one of her best performances of the song yet [although the mic should be set louder], so perhaps you've never seen the TV performances? And for RAINBOW... it was okay but not terrible. I'd say she's done better, and probably did do a lot better on 12/30. |
truehappiness you are a really good fans of ayu and nice 'defender' here to comment on all the negatives comments abouth this CDL..I LIKE U ^^ LOL
well...I change a bit ok...um...actually I finished watching MY ALL perf. and I think she's still GOOD coz...u know...she still can reach the last part (hi-pitch)...I like that...ya maybe she's exhausted...can't blame her...singers are not always perfect...sometimes koda kumi also cant reach the notes in ai no uta where she keeps making it longer tunes in 'ai no uh-taaaaa'... lol |
you know what XD try listening to ONLY ayu's voice in a GOOD earphone... sounds a lot better actually~
generally she's like.... 1/4 of a tone off, occasionally 1/2 tone to 1 tone off but otherwise it REALLY is ... like...Peco and Yoko... XP but um yeah.... XP lol first few times I listened to it, it DID sound real bad :/ XD earphones sounded A LOT better o-O |
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where r all the vocal training went to?! or maybe she doesn't have any in the first place... u're a singer, ayumi! Go get some singing lessons for heaven sake! :yes:yes (am i over-reacting?) |
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You remind me of PrincessAyu, with your negative comments for no real reason D: |
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the one who really needs to do that is Leah Dizon lol If ayu never trains her vocal (ok even sometimes sounds bad) she'll not rehearse already lol...she rehearse and train altogether while fixing some parts...can't u see the documentary? maybe her voice turns deeper but that's what most of us like...especially me...like don't u hate evrytime ayu sounds too squeaky and sounds like she's 'trying' to do so? It's bad ^^. |
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i brought all her albums to date and i really like GULITY ,and been playing it repeatly for days... so do that still make me her fan? :rolleyes all this while...i'm just seeing both good and not-so-good sides of her instead of getting blinded by her glamorous...:yes i get over the 'ayu is a god' state years ago... |
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Trust me, I got over the Ayu = God thing ages ago, but she's still one of the best JPOP artists to me. |
I can't believe that the vocals for STEP you and other songs were recorded earlier. I'm sooooooo shocked. I think this has been the first time she lip synced. Are you guys serious that she did it before, on other concerts??? I'm like so disappointed right now. Ayu always says that the most important thing for her is to be honest with her fans and herself.
You can't defend Ayu no matter what. True AyuFan is able to criticize her when she needs to be |
Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys, and i've read through enough to see people fall on both sides of the fence, but I LOVED the concert.
Call me naive because I haven't seen any of the other CDLs, but I really don't care. Yes, her vocals were so-so some of the time, but I don't really mind. To me, last year was worse. The vibe was awesome, and she sang well enough for me. It looked like she worked hard and I liked every performance of this. I loved the dancing, the costumes, and just the whole sincere and personal atmosphere. I thought the tracklist was good (Ladies Night was a plus!) in maintaining both the "black and white" and in-between, and it was really good. I especially liked the dancing 'A' and how everyone did the choreographed moves, it was good. I'm definitely getting this on DVD when it comes out. P.S. I'm glad I watched the concert before reading this thread. |
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i'm not gonna make an excuse, but maybe it might not sound AS WELL AS the dvd because the TV ver. is just not as high quality, in terms of sound. but I wasn't at the concert, so i'll never know (?) i was having a bad day, and the concert cheered me up soo, I'm happy either way... as long as I had fun, I'm satisfied. but I do think she does need to work on her vocals, but like I said, I'm satisfied. |
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As some people said, she had backing vocals to songs [like MY ALL. You can hear them clearly after she announced, "VOCAL, AYU DESHITA!"] so it's possible that she got drowned out by the backing vocals. And of course the DVD sounds better, it's not just a mashup of random volumes of band+choral+Ayu sound, but rather they're all equal and loud when they need to be. It didn't help that many of the loud songs required her to try to sing louder than the background music [t2m, decision] |
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so u can never believe what u hear from ayumi's DVDs and because of that i never like ayumi's concert DVDs |
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Hey, was STEP you lipsynched in your opinion? O_o |
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I believe that the DVD is my "gateway" so to speak, to being right there with her, for like 50 dollars. XD Instead of paying the thousand+ to go to Japan and get a ticket to see her live. The concert DVD is all most fans have to see her performance, and that's enough for most people. :) |
To be honest with you guys, Im' like sooo confused at the moment and I don't know what to think about this whole lip sync thing. I was so naive to believe that the DVD's are live!
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Gah, people throw she lip-sync stuff without any proof. Just because the lack of the bad things that can be said this time :laugh
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You are big enough to listen and watch yourself, they don't even sound pre-recorded at all. |
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Don't let what UHPlus said get to you. If what he said was true, then his precious Namie Amuro DVDs aren't live either. :| |
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I do believe Ayu never lip syncs unless she is sick like in CDL 02-03. And why STEP you of all songs? It's not that hard to sing. So she'd lip STEP you but not the following Ladies Night which is really hard to do live? That isn't making much sense people. Oh and by the way Namie Amuro is just one of the best ever live performers! She was freaking amazing with all the dancing and top notch singing. |
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Ladies Night was electro anyway, performances of it probably.. wouldn't work out. I think Perfume's performances are kinda like that.. they're not totally lipsynched, but because of the electro element.. |
Yeah, that's right. If you listen to the concert in high quality earphones she sounds much better singing. Although Surreal was definitely the worst of the bunch, (and Evolution to me, but I never liked that song live except for the Dome Tour one) but her vocals weren't horrendous.
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e.g I WILL & toi et moi from SO CRAZY tour 2003-2004 , ALL FOR YOU from Space of Hip-Pop tour 2005 they are not her live vocal...i can tell cuz i can hear it's pre-recorded cuz u can compare the performances with her previous n after songs... as for ayumi..how can she went from 'nice perfect' vocal to 'horribly off-tune' in just a few songs and costumes changes? did she accidentally drunk detergents when she's off stage? :yes |
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She probably couldn't sing her best anymore due to fatigue. :| |
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No matter what the truth is she needs to rest or it will definetely be the end of Ayu not becouse people will stop listen to her but she will damage her ear completely
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People that were there actually enjoyed ayu's vocal performance so I don't have to say much about it.
I'm still waiting for it to finish download. It's 85% :yes |
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And stop making Cys86 all confused! Jeez! People will NOT stop listening to Ayu because of a bad live. They aren't that coldhearted unless they're demonic or something and demand perfection. |
I think that ayu's vocals became much better through the years much better than the vocals she had... It's just a matter of preferece I guess and how you like it.
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the basic requirement if being a SINGer is to sing well... ok... she can sing while in the recording studio and stuffs, but she can't even have the confidence to perform good live vocal in her concerts...what had she been doing all these while? a singer who can't sing live...imo she's a pop idol / icon / fashionist and hell she's not a singer or musician... |
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She can sing in her concerts, as proven by what HilaryDuffFanBoy saw, and I don't think anything you say can change that fact. :| And if you read my post entirely, you'd notice that I said that fans who would leave her just because of one bad live would be demanding perfection from her. :| |
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and she's not singing...she's producing off-pitched sounds:no:no |
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seems that there are battles here between UHPlus and truehappiness It's ok guys both of you are in love with different artist-namie and ayu...so let it be I wonder If namie sounds like ayu in CDL will UHPlus still dare to 'protect' like truehappiness does? LOL admit it...nobody's perfect guys... as long as ayu sings LIVE it's ok...can u imagine if ayu is someone like britney? lol I will 'die' soon if I found out so |
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how do u know that? do u think ayu pretends to do so? or she wants to sing off pitched? It's not her fault dear...singers are human..ok..they are not perfect...u can't always demand her to sing like the most perfect singer in the world lol...she's not perfect and that's what makes her nice to watch...when people has an unperfection in them...they are human...not GOD lol...I think u know that. well...ayu has tried her best...u can't expect your throat to sounds good like all the time...can u ask it to sounds good? like if you cough can u ask it to stop so u can sing well...? that's magical |
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luckily the one and only jpop singer i know who can't sing live is ayumi..maybe ERIKA too...that's why she never sang live before on during her tv performances... YUI also has a very shaky and untrained live vocal...but she sounded great with only acoustic guitar and not with a live band... for ayumi, nothing beautiful comes out of her mouth that are not edited or altered with... |
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I don't know if anyone in the world would want to have you as a fan. So rotten! :( |
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u turn out to be so evil UHPlus that's mean man ! "luckily the one and only jpop singer i know who can't sing live is ayumi.." THE ONE AND ONLY wow have u done like...A LOT OF RESEARCH ? well...ok if u dun like her then let her be...it;s not her will to sounds bad. but she 's been so good in live as far as i know...her voice is what makes her so special.it's hard to be popular coz we are always talked behind lol |
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he's mean man..let it be..with namie amuro lol...maniac |
Pah, Namie had her share of terrible performances too. Hamasaki has a ton of wonderful performances. Why in the world would anyone want you as a fan? Seriously, if I had to deal with someone as negative and cynical as you, I would slap them senseless.
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thanx Huaka for helping here lol
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I know I've stretched the definition of a "fan" before, but seriously. I don't think UHPlus is a fan of either of these artists.. or any artist for that matter. :( |
Yeah, I'd love to see what artist reaches his ridiculous standards. Every singer has their good and bad performances. It's the real fan who sticks by them through thick and thin.
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she deserved it :yes :yes why in the first place i'm in this forum? cuz i'm her hard-core fan like the rest of u years ago..during 2002~2003 i used to also protect ayumi from all those ppl who say she's can't sing, her voice damn screechy, her voice hurts their ears... but even since i get to know namie, boa, hikki (btw, my nick is named after hikki ..Utada Hikaru Single Clip Collection UH3+)..i slowly found out that what most of them said are true and other jpop singers actually CAN sing very well. I was totally impressed by namie for being able to dance + sing perfectly on tune unlike ayumi who can't even sing her own songs on key even if she was sitting emotionless... u see, i was a frog in a well who only saw the beautiful sky of ayumi but after jumped out of the well, i saw skies with rainbows, clouds and birds which are much much better then ayumi's... *wipe sweats* that will be all for today (it's been a while also ^_^) dun get me wrong cuz she still producing high quality which surprisingly i still like... i found fated damn boring when it first came out but now i'm been humming it all the time cuz it's struck in my head..it's a very beautiful song!!! i'll end this argument here ^_^ |
I listen to other artists who can sing, and so what?
They will never be Ayu, because Ayu is Ayumi Hamasaki, and there can be only one. No one deserves to be talked about like this. Not even Koda Kumi. :| [and I HATE her.] |
Yeah, no artist deserves such condescending crap such as this. BoA, Hikki, Namie? Please, they don't sing perfectly every time. I've heard a lot of cringe-worthy performances from all of them. You could say us Ayu fans are blinded but you're doing the exact same thing for your favorite singers, so I wouldn't say such hypocritical bs.
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^^ ayu can't have the voice kuu has, and hikki has, or BoA has, or maybe Yuna Ito (I found out her voice is cool), but won't that be so nice coz every artist have their own unique voice? and especially their own ways and styles of singing ?
UHPlus...won't u feel weird if ALL Japanese ladies singers' voices sound like namie LOL hahahahhahahahahhahahahaa |
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but .... ayumi can't even sing up to the basic standard most of the time... so there's no excuses for ayumi to be singing live that poorly cuz she's a singer... maybe popularities is the only thing that is keeping her up all these years? |
Ayumi is not only a good singer (yes GOOD, have you seen AT2002 unpluged) although she doesn't sing prefectly her voice is beautiful and much better than on the studio recordings becouse it is not so sweet. What's more she writes ALL her lyrics and even compose music to her songs. Maybe she is not the best singer but she is an ARTIST and that is enough for me.
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SHE'S NOT SINGING THAT BAD OK ! If she can't sing...NOT only you...but LOTS of us here will leave her soon ok...
oh no u are so mean UHPlus...WAKE UP ! hahahhahaa u are the worst I've known so far...the meanest man in this forum I can see LOL I AGREE with Cys86...ayu has the 'X-factor' that makes me enjoy to see her everytime she does LIVE performances...maybe she doesn't sing that GOOD, but it's always better then CD...really...I've always prefered her LIVE then CD |
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u are FUNNY well...people say she sings perfectly coz it's just BEAUTIFUL than the CD does...maybe u are senseless LOL...hahahhaha open your ear plug...lol....she has the emotions in it...happy or sad..and she never ACT like so...even if I like Koda Kumi, she can't have that 'IT' Factor when she sings live...imagine when she sings ballad she still can smile here and there? |
UHPlus I understand your point, I'm not an Ayu Fanatic, and she dissapointed me many times since MY STORY period. Her singing is coused by the injury she expirianced during Dome Tour, she is talkining about it in NTV interview.
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I know by posting this it would make everyone here hate me, but honestly her vocals were just OFF during Surreal and the last few songs before the encore. And it's quite obvious STEPyou is pre-recorded. In fact evolution also sound pre-recorded to me. The texture of the voice in Step you just sounds so different, if you compare it w Ladies Night. She might have pre-record it cos of the costume change after talkin' 2 myself and she would be breathless after all the running and changing to sing Step You properly.
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Excuse me? I don't think she sings perfectly, I know her concert had pitch problems in some areas, but it wasn't god-awful as you seem to be implying. I even said it was fine. And lip-synching? Please, her voice would sound CD-quality if that was the case. STEP you definitely wasn't, I could hear her breathing and sounding out of breath throughout the song, and it's easier to pull off than a lot of others. Heck, I could sing it and keep it relatively near her tune for the most part. You need to put on some good earphones and crank the volume up. You can hear the difference.
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