Err.... not very good first day sales, atleast in comparison to her previous singles...

^Its one of her best digitally.

#1 on iTunes j-pop chart
#2 on iTunes combo chart

Yes, in addition to digital downloading.

hmm promotion is not finished and it's a good single It can reach 100000files a week I think and do better as rule/sparkle ! A good job for a first day no ? =D

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but how is iTunes any "replacement" or a digital Oricon?

I mean not everyone in Japan uses a Mac or an iTunes, also not every J-Pop singer is added into the iTunes store, so it isn't exactly fair or accurate either.

I'm VERY happy that she's doing well in iTunes, but I wouldn't say this is an indicator to how good her digital downloads and whatsoever are...

I'm sorry if I pissed anyone off.

^I never said it was the only way i'm just saying it definitely says its doing somewhat well, iTunes may not be the biggest but it is big!

I think second day's sales will be around 15k.

I personally for the past few years been pre-ordering ayu's releases without second thoughts...especially her singles where I will buy all versions. However as much as I love sunrise and sunset, (songs and the pvs); and as much as I know the covers shouldn't stop me from buying and that it should be for the music...I just can't get myself to fork out money to buy this single....because of the ugly covers. I still haven't bought the single...I guess with no first press doesn't help too. Maybe if it goes on sale at cdjapan later or something I'll buy it. If I live in Japan, I'll just pay to download the single to support.

I'm glad to hear the legal downloads are doing well. =D

first day sales are good. wait people are freaking out over this? i'm not bothering to read all of the pages but i saw a post that said people were. lmao. oh, AHS.

I hope this single does well. I think it`s rather unfair that some people are saying it doesn't deserve #1 or high sales. Surprisingly some people actually do like these songs, pvs etc. And they buy it because they like it. Just my opinion.

At least we know that what attracts the buyers is the music and not the covers :P

It'going to be interesting to see how good is ayu going to do without 20 versions and first press gifts! I don't like when she does that ><

It seems avex has been experimenting with Ayu's releases like with R/S they saw if she could get number one even though it was close to release of the album and only a short while after her last single Green/Days, and now they are seeing how sales will be/if she can get number one without first press or multiple versions.

Based on what? There is no reason to believe that the single will have the similar 2nd day as talkin' 2 myself did, considering the first day was higher and that Sunrise is doing really well both on Recochoku and iTunes.

Yeah, but like iTunes Japan is basically the only place you can buy Japanese music in MP3 format, everything else is in WMA and you can't put that in an iPod, and iPods are, like everywhere else, very popular in Japan.

It's just one of many indicators of how well she's selling ( :yes ).

Oh everyone, right now at MUSICO, Sunrise is currently at #2 and Sunset is at #7, pretty close to iTunes's ranking.

Chill~ It is only my prediction. Not saying that it will for sure...lol. The first day's sales is higher but it doesn't guarantee the drop will be less...it really depends on pre-orders and stuff. Of course I would want the sales to be much higher. The first day's sales already exceeded my expectations and ayu's doing very well this year compared to other solo female artists...so everything is good.

Don't worry I wasn't trying to argue :) I was just interested to see if you had a reason why you thought it would drop that much. I follow the charts regularly so yeah I am aware of what might happen :D

I think Ayumiko is right too >_>

Sales could be better :/

Weren't those numbers proven false? I thought the official total ended up being around that of Days.

How do you know that? No actual sales numbers have come out yet.

As for whether itunes/ipods are extremely popular in Japan....you could say they are starting to get more popular, but still the primary way people download music in Japan is through cell phones. So stuff like Musico and Recochaku are better indicators. But still I always say for digital sales you need to actually see the riaj certification before you can say its doing great digitally or something.

Anyways, as for the sales of this single, I was expecting around 50k opening day - despite the horrible covers. That's less than Days, but more than her other recent singles which seemed like the logical placement for me.

Lower than what I expected, but good nonetheless. Hope it won't drop hard~

Looking back at her recent single sales...it seems like her second day's sales is a little more than 50% drop (excluding MW) from the first day's...so by looking at that, sunrise/sunset's second day should be around 17k-18k...my 15k guess is more like a worst case thing...since you never know...but even if she does get 15k, that's 51k+ already in 2 days. I'm satisfied with that already. Of course more would be a great bonus. :)

Yeah, I was basing that on charting wise not sales so true, its not the actually sales, but its always at least an indicator you know? Like relatively its doing well since its charting pretty high. So I guess I don't actually know, but again, based on charting its doing well. Now granted, theres only one version on iTunes, unlike Rule/Sparkle and Days/Green which had mutltiple versions on Itunes making it impossible to know which it actually could peak at (ie one version of Rule ranked around 5 while the other ranked at around 70, that could have garnered something closer to one or two)

^ Its an indicator that the sales are at least decent, but we won't know whether they can be classified as "great" or not until the actual certification comes out. Rule was able to at least be certified Gold for downloads. There have been some extremely high digital sellers from other female artists though this year.

Yup yup we will have to wait and see. If Rule got it Sunrise has a chance I think.

Hopefully even more than gold. I was shocked to find out that several of Koda's recent singles (which I didn't think were that great) were certified double and triple platinum.

where did you find this information?

From RIAJ Japan. Recently these were certified: Chaku Uta: Moon Crying - Triple Platinum, Stay With Me - Double Platinum. Chaku Uta full: Moon Crying - Double Platinum, Stay with Me - Gold, It's all love - Gold, Taboo - Gold.

I was expecting Gold ranking at best for most of those songs.

I hope that S/S gets at least gold. :P

How much did Together when... sell then digitally if it wasn't a million? I don't know how many times Days was downloaded.

^ Ok, as far as I can tell, both were certified Platinum. (http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/ch...0_3.html#list2) I believe that is 250,000.(but can't remember exactly) But definitely no where near 1 million.

At least it went double platinum for Chaku uta.... so what that's 500,000 ring tones + 250,000 Chaku uta full. So 750,000? I don't think it works that way though (combining ring tone downloads and full downloads), right?

^ Nope, they don't combine. There are separate rankings for each.

weird! i remember some (rumored) numbers that came out saying Together when... sold over 3 million digitally. i suppose i just wanted to believe the lie >.<

that's nice~

I believe the insanely high sales rumors came from ayu.no again.

Anyways, tomorrows ranking should be interesting. Both Ayu and MM are known for huge drops but if MM throws a handshake event or something they could make the sales race interesting.

^ Another MW Vs. SCS event again for us if its happen, fighting for #1 weekly! O_O

I hope it doesn't drop much today though there's a higher chance that it will have a big drop lol.

Ahm, Together When... = Double Platinum for Chaku Uta and Platinum for Chaku-uta full, so I guess the total number is close to a million, Google Translation is at least good for something -> http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0

Most of Koda's singles only got Platinum+ certification for Ringtones and well she releases more often than Ayu I guess, not to mention that her songs tend to be more poppy :)

Ahem... That would be indeed very interesting. Then I guess avex will throw out more gifts on Saturday and Sunday (like... buy all two versions to receive a larger poster, and buy 4 cds to get a photograph... similar to MW :P)

ayu's sales is okay to me... i won't expect much sales from her after Mirrorcle World.
as long as she got NO. 1 in the 1st day.

so how many NO. 1 has ayu got?

Excluding Sunrise/Sunset , she has a total of 32 #1's with 20 of them conservative since H

2nd day sales: 12,873
1->1
36,552 + 12,873 = 49,425

#1 - 12873 ouch - this is worse than any of us expected. Gackt dropped to #5 and Momosu droped by more than half as well. Did something happen yesterday lol?

I guess this single will have to struggle to sell over 100k. Come on AVEX XD do something! ^_^ We should be happy if it manages to reach 75k this week :(

WOW. that is one HUGE drop.

ouch that's a slap in the face :dead2

Morning Museume dropped hard too , to 10,946 while B'z went up to #3 with 8,980

since she will be at MUSIC STATION tomorrow , maybe sales will improve ? it's quite known that when an artiste appear at MS , it can do wonders for 1's self sales

ow..the sales drop 3 times than yesterday @@

Wow, major drop!! But I'm glad its doing well digitally though...

Now this drop was unexpected. x_x
Everyone dropped like a rock. Wow.
Oh well I hope that eventually it will be able to sell 100,000.

It still outsells t2m's 2 days sales but if it will keep droping like this it might not reach its total...

actually after this week, she'll hopefully have:

35 #1-singles released, of which 1 was a digital single, and 1 was a charity single.
That means 33 #1-singles in her official discography.

But yea... she dropped quite a lot... :/

that's even more than the 15k I predicted...o_O...oh well it can't be helped. Hopefully the tv performances and a-nation will boost it up a bit.

This looks interesting to me you know. Now I can finally have some time to get interested if Ayu will get the #1 spot for a week. :D Of course I'm glad if she gets it. I'm very curious to see if this really happens because the songs are very good. :)

That drop is quite surprising. A bit more than expected.

So, S/S would be her 21st consecutive #1 then? Phew, I am sort of relieved then, because I wouldn't want Seiko to lose the record during her 30th Anniversary year.

I made a worst case scenario and still it shows that MoMusu won't get the #1 Unless of course there will be surprises and their sales will go up or something.

S/S

36,552
12,873
4,500
2,500
5,500
3,000
=
64,925

MoMusu

23,301
10,946
9,000
5,000
4,450
5,000
=
57,747

^ hopefully the day they take #1 daily AVEX will start doing something.

After what happened with Shuchishin, I don't think Ayu fans will back down, haha.

If anyone mentions avex magic, I swear.. [I think that fanbases generally are very strong in avex, haha. Kind of like how AAA avoided getting the #2 at the last two days of sales for Mirage.. hm..]

Oh gosh ! I'm really astonished by the 2nd day drop !
Each artist's sales dropped a lot ! (o__o')

Woah! Thats a big drop! Hopefully she can do better later on this week.

i think its sales will be lower than rule/sparkle...
don't you guys think so?

In the end, they might end up higher than Rule/Sparkle if this single has longevity, but it's looking like the first week will end up below 95k.

lol maybe the weekend is gonna boost those sales a bit.

0___0 That's lower than my low prediction. Hmmm, here's hope to surprising numbers during this week after Ayu's TV promo. She's having more TV promo for this single after all.

It seems that Avex really is testing out how well Ayu's singles can hold out. I wonder if they're re-calculating Ayu's production budget to see if she *needs* all that promotion. Otherwise I think Avex might want to relocate all that money to newer artists.

I wanna see Ayu pimped around more though... too bad that Shibuya 109 ad spot was only for Mirrorcle World. It sure was expensive. Did her previous singles before Mirrorcle World get that spot too?

It seems like for the most part, they are doing that.

However, I feel as though Ayu (read: her management) has been redirecting most of her budget for the year towards her concerts, leaving videos/CDs to suffer a bit. I wonder just how all of this is being handled by avex. Are they happy? Are they content? Are they scrambling around wondering what's going on? In most cases just being present in the top 10 would be enough to satiate a company/group/artist, but... this is Ayu we're talking about here.

The last thing Avex cares about is how much her singles sell. They ADORE the money they get from her concerts.

Sure, but I think they still at least want her to hit #1 so they can say she's still the #1 queen, which she pretty much is of this day and age.

And holy jesus, the concert money. How many billions of yen is that?

Oh my God the drop is heartbreaking.

Eeeh, for me, I'm just glad she's still got #1. I don't think it really deserves it.. but still.

Wow, this is a huge drop for Ayu.
But I've expected something like that, watching all the other female singers sales.
I think S/S won't reach 100k or it will have troubles reaching it at last.

the economy killed the Japanese female singers :P seems like the end of an Era

Yeah, on whole tour thing, I really agree. This is depressing, but the whole "make her tour like mad while she's still popular" thing seems to be happening.

About her single sales though, I highly doubt Avex doesn't care about the sales. They're definitely throwing the bait out there to see how well her accumulated popularity from over the years can do, but they're also careful not to overdo it because they don't want the press to start writing about how she's losing out big time again or anything. (Even though they do it nowadays anyway.) Selling below 100k would be undesirable for Ayu even if she maintains a no. 1. If Ayu got a no.1 with 50k of sales in one week, that would still give the tabloids a field day, I think.

Number 1 again is good enough for me, even if the drop is huge. Everything's fine...her sales to ORICON aren't really that important to me. :P

that is what I expected for 2nd day below 20K

oh no!! what a bad drop! :( is this hr lowest 2 day total since talkin 2 myself??

I think B&D is worse 2nd day sales

Oh no... The drop could mean that there could be problems competing with Morning Musume - the only way to push herself up are those upcoming TV performances - and oh no, another earthquake...

Wait a minute - I just checked that for Thursday that there was an earthquake on that morning!!! Could the earthquake really be a factor why both Ayu and Morning Musume got those sales drops??? Blame it on a factor outside of music - and maybe people are trying to be safe more rather than shopping right away for single sales - but do not worry, it's only early and hopefully Ayu can continue her dominancy...

The only way MM can get #1 is if their sales will stay the same or will go up.
Or ayu's single selling a bit more or less than 1000 a day for the rest of the week.

eeeek! with second-day sales as dramatically low as that, can it really stay on top the whole week?

as far as this being the end of an era, i believe so! 0_o but maybe not necessarily for single female artists. in the US, at least, there is no more money in single and album sales. it's all about the tour-- without one, an artist doesn't cash in. it seems Japan is following that trend. and like the US, i think Japan will drop boybands in a few years and (hopefully) embrace single female artists once more.

OUCH! That's a huge drop!
More than a half drop is a surprising one!

*remembers MW vs. SCS moments*

tomorrow's chart gonna be 6K and day after 6K

my preditction 36K + 12K + 6K + 6K + 8K + 7K = 75K

Yeah, I'd say it has good chances of ending up that way, which is still pretty much ok and that way there are chances it will sell the same as talkin' 2 myself or a bit more. This should teach AVEX to make the singles more desirable for fans in the future.

too low for a second day, I expected at least 15k :/

lol Seriously, this is just like MW and t2m all over again... MW to see if she'll really keep her #1 spot, and t2m because of the low sales. Unless her weekend sales really increase, I wouldn't be surprised if her sales total around 70k.

I'm not too worried about the sales. Nowadays, I think Ayu's just releasing music to release it, and she's definitely focused more on touring. But, based on the sold out concerts, of course that would be something she would focus a bit more on.

I'm not sure though if it will help anymore to make the singles eye candies.
Look at kuu's 3 SPLASH, it was just an eye candy single with 3 versions with 3 different covers, 3 songs, interludes, PVs etc.
But it still doing worse than even the collaboration single with her sister misono.
It might help for longer chart life somehow but go figure if multiple versions and first presses will be helpful in the future.

hahaha.. hopefully it doesnt mean they make multiple version.. I hope thats the sign for another triple or quadruple A side after that....
it's been 6 years looooh

^Same comment as my previous. xD

I sure hope ayu would do a 3,4 A-side single again!!
But her only more than 2 A-side singles are the summer singles. T_T

Oh My!! What a dissaster! Another flop!


My poor AYU :(((((

Wow.

Uhm..go Ayu?

..but seriously, did anyone expect this single to sell like MW or GREEN/Days did?

Two subpar songs, atrocious covers & boring PV's?

This single was destined to not sell well.

I hope she doesn't lose her #1 streak, though.

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.

Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.

No chart ever has Chaku-uta and Chaku-uta full combined. (as already explained) and even if they did, 750,000 is still a ways off from 1 million.

It sucks that my favourite Ayu single's sales aren't good...oh well things will be okay!

750,000 is still not a number you can say that is unpopular or a small number though.
Nothing that is not a million is not a million of course but it's still a ways above the half of a million which the number itself is considered great.
I do remember that avex in what of their PDFs wrote that Together When... had 970,000 digital downloads in total. I'm not sure if they fabricated the numbers or if RIAJ don't count all of the downloads websites or something of that sort.
Also on kuu's official website they wrote that stay with me had 3,500,000 or 2,500,000? legal downloads while the single sold 65,000, I wonder if it's fabricated as well.

Also even if it's a summer single, as we know ayu's popularity keeps dropping through the years the sales between her summer singles drop each time.
BLUE BIRD sold around 256,000, glitter/fated sold around 165,000 (100,000 difference), and S/S will sell around the 100,000 (each is a 50,000-70,000 drop) it's only natural as it seems that ayu still didn't create something to maintain her popularity or take it up again, (and it seems that avex doesn't too probably both sides don't highly care for it or ayu or whoever).
It's just your usual ayu summer single. With each year passing, if it's what it will stay in, that's what will keep happening.

^ Yeah, of course I'm not saying it sold bad just that it didn't sell the ginormous amount of copies people seem to think it sold. :)

btw, I was pointed to Amazon (by 2ch) and it seems this single is not nearly as well received as her past singles in terms of reviews: http://www.amazon.co.jp/Sunrise-Suns...ref=pd_sim_m_1

^Interesting. On iTunes its recieved glowing reviews.

oh my....this is one big flop...I expected the japanese to love this single...a summer song and a ballad(though I myself think these sales are still too much for such an IMO crappy single), I hope she keeps her streak at least

The only difference is that Kumi doesn't have the fan base of the same size.

Ah well I personally don't mind multiple versions, it's better to have many versions to choose from even if the covers are similar.

I'd say it's obvious Ayu might have a tough time selling her singles physically, that doesn't mean the songs aren't popular, as obviously they are doing well digitally, just that AVEX needs to make her singles more worthwhile, Rule/Sparkle had the remixes, posters and the package was cool - I am not blaming Ayu, as I think the music and the songs are just fine, just that when it comes to marketing AVEX isn't doing the best job imo.

That same page says NEXT LEVEL was rated 5/5 by the reviewers. You can never be sure with those, as both the hard core fans and the hard core trolls are posting. I am not saying those don't reflect the opinion of general public, but it's hard to reflect it with just 30 opinions.

Anyways, I didn't say TW... sold million+ just that it was close to million than you originally posted :)

Did ayu break a new record or something?

http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/68392/

"あゆ、連続初登場首位記録の更新なるか!?
( 2009年08月13日 11時00分)

　浜崎あゆみの46枚目のシングル「Sunrise / Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」が、3.6万枚を売り上げ、発売初日となる8/11付デイリーシングルランキングで首位を獲得した。

　本作は「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」と「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」の両A面シングル。「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」は、舘ひろし主演のテレビ朝日系ドラマ『ダンディ・ダディ？～恋愛小説家・伊崎龍之介～』の主題 歌。浜崎がドラマ主題歌を担当するのは、佐藤浩市主演のTBS系ドラマ『高原へいらっしゃい』の「forg iveness」（累積売上22.2万枚）以来、6年ぶりとなる。

　また、「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」は、Panasonicのデジタルカメラ「LUMIX FX60」CMソング。3曲目には、浜崎の夏の代表曲「July 1st」「Greatful days」「fairyland」「BLUE BIRD」「glitter」をリミックスしたスペシャルトラックを収録している。

　浜崎は、今年2月にリリースした前作「Rule/Sparkle」（累積売上13.0万枚）で、2002年4月発売の「Free＆Easy」以来、20作連 続で週間シングルランキング初登場1位を記録。ソロアーティスト、ならびに女性アーティストとして史上初の 快挙を達成した。本作でも週間ランキング1位を獲得し、連続初登場首位記録をさらに更新できるか、注目が集 まる。"

^is it just the continuation of her streak?

Its nice to see what ayu's sales are like with only 2 versions and no extra goodies. Of course compared to her old standards, its low but compared to nowadays as a female solo artist, she's doing quite well imo.

wow.. the second day sales were really unexpected.. more than half her first day drop :(

This

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

lol I will agree with that for reasons I mentioned earlier.
Also getting some first days sales from past singles threads, it seems that for all of the singles since 2007 has a it's a flop/it's so low 5-6 first pages comments.

I guess people have to get used to the new standarts until ayu puts out smashing hits and avex will startegy her accordingly.