Oh well Ayu was just apparently wears the clothes from the same designer
That's just something like this year's trend for me, not copying

Oh, for crying out loud. It's just one word that Ayu is merely EMULATING (which is not copying, and I haven't seen the Slt PV yet so I can't say anything about it) and that is:

MADONNA

"shoves everything they produce in everybody's face" sounds to much noble to be true

the world is plagued by USA companies in every corner of the planet.
USA can promote and publishing anything they want, anytime, anywhere.
is all about money and power.

that not make an artist bigger

My message is for people who accuse Ayumi of copying Lady gaga. You did not accuse her, right? If you think it remind you of Lady Gaga, that is fine, however if you say Ayumi copied her then it is wrong.

Jesus this thread needs to be locked, thrashed and burned pronto.

Honestly, the nature of the thread is fine - what's wrong with discussing if Ayu took inspiration from Gaga or vice-versa, or rather what's wrong with discussing both Ayu & Gaga being huge fashion fans? But really when immature children rush in here to defend Ayu/Gaga it just gets really annoying and retarded imo.

My opinion is, obviously Ayu didn't copy Gaga... wtf really. Neither Ayu or Gaga is your typical run-off-the-mill pop artistes who just do everything their managers tell them to. They have aspirations and minds of their own, and they have a hand in almost EVERYTHING that comes out from them, be it music, videos or fashion.

As mentioned, the fashion in Slt are haute couture fashion which just so happens to be kind of stuff Gaga is into. Does this mean Ayu copied Gaga? Um, no... sorry to Gaga stans (wherever you are, AHS or youtube, I don't give a ****)... Ayu has done way weirder things in the past.

And now for Ayu stans who are bashing Gaga just cos you precious goddess is getting accused of copying. stfu Gaga isn't your new object to bash after Kuu, kthx.

Both Ayu & Gaga are such awesome artistes that it's just painful to be a fan of both and having to see stans killing each other over things like this... :rolleyes

I'm just really sick and tired of all the bashing of other artistes and Ayu... and it has become so prominent recently...

Wow.

Um sorry people around the world like music from the US?

The US music industry doesn't make people in other places buy their music. Japan is the second largest industry in the world. They have the munny to promote and publicize their artists in other parts of the world.

Why don't they? Oh yeah. Because they probably wouldn't reap the same profits of what they get in their home country.

Yes, everywhere, it's all about munny.

^^woo nice thoughts waterballoon, I agree with you :yes

If anything, Gaga is the western Ayu...

American singers don't make the same profit in foreign countries either. :rolleyes

The current trend is english language songs. Not japanese. I think that is why. Someone said Ayumi doesn't care about her foreign fans but she is writing more and more in english. I don't think she do it because it is exotic trendy thing but because she really desire to communicate to all of us.

@waterballon : Nice thoughs dude! :D

THIS x100000000000000000.

Because Lady Gaga is hugely popular worldwide now (we can't argue with it ofc), every well-known female singer is compared to her. Because we're in AHS, community about Ayumi Hamasaki, it's normal that she's compared to her and vice versa. That's all. Other artist/musician will become famous also because of appearance and style and everyone will say that other artists copied her/him. And so on and so on. It's Gaga time now and she can feel safe because she's ~original~ at all. But is it true?...

I love both ayu and Gaga. But just because Gaga makes more controversy everyone now tend to link something crazy as GAGA. the SLT PV might remind some people of Gaga, but ayu did it really ellegant and nicely.

what i'm really appreciated is that, no matter how "weird" ayu does in the costumes/styles/performances/PVs, she keeps them all ELEGANT and pretty.

not some weirdo or freak... and i think this is the biggest difference.

Delurking (hi!) to add a couple things. I should preface this by saying that I've been a huge fan of Ayu for a little less than half of my life, and my love for Lady GaGa has grown exponentially in the last few months.

1. Not everyone is as literate in fashion as Ayu, Lady GaGa, and some of the members on this board are. Lady GaGa became famous wearing McQueen, so a lot of people are going to equate McQueen designs with her simply because they don't know any better. Although I think some GaGa influence is inevitable--simply because of the sheer cultural saturation we're experiencing right now--I don't doubt that Ayu knows enough about the fashion industry to know McQueen is a go-to designer if she wants to represent England in the best of its fashion (and the most recognizable--partially thanks to Lady GaGa).

To me, the most obvious difference between the designs we typically see on Lady GaGa and those we see on Ayu is that, while GaGa often wears strange, even unflattering shapes that challenge our ideas of femininity and female sexuality, Ayu plays it (comparatively) safe. Even the more bizarre outfits--like the two checkered suits--are still structured to give her a traditionally-feminine figure. This makes me think it's more about the British fashion as British Fashion than a larger statement (however pretentious). In other words, yeah they use the same designers, but the clothes' narrative payoff in the video (so far) is different.

2. A big part of Lady GaGa's shtick is the creation of pop culture pastiche. She isn't just ~copying~ legends like Madonna and Michael Jackson for the sake of trying to emulate them and their success; she's consciously trying to evoke them in her themed performances about fame and pop culture consumption.

Ayu has also mimicked Madonna in her performances without coming out and saying "this is a statement about fame" or anything. However, I don't think we should ignore the fact that this album in particular is called Rock'n'Roll Circus and includes extensive photo and PV shoots in London. If she wasn't trying to consciously evoke other artists in previous performances, than I think it's safe to interpret this album, at least, as having an element of pastiche.

Of course, some people write off pastiche as just another despicable case of plagiarism, and not everyone buys into Lady GaGa's act; this post may be totally meaningless to you. I feel better putting this out there when there's so much hate flying around. Both Ayu and Lady GaGa are too awesome for this kind of debate.

I don't understand why people feel the need to compare Ayu to Lady Gaga all the time.

Ayu's been around a lot longer than Gaga, so if anything Gaga is the one taking ideas and inspiration from her. (But I agree on what some others have said, BOTH of them are highly inspired by Madonna.) She's been doing weird PVs and wearing high fashion designer clothes before going to England for Rock'n'Roll Circus.

I love both Ayu and Lady Gaga, I'm a fan of both of them, I've seen both of them in concert and follow their releases (ok, maybe I follow Ayu a little more closely than Gaga, but anyway) and I don't compare them every chance I get, every time either of them releases something new.

Not to sound mean or offensive, but some people really need to stop obsessing, it's getting a little out of control...

For me there's nothing similar.
Nothing against GaGa, but she didn't invent these outfits, only because her songs are popular therefore when talking about "weird" outfits, people may think about her.

BTW, Sexy little things song reminds me of Annie, which is a great thing :)

Sigh. I'll just say that I agree with those who said it's about people's minds currently connecting avant garde fashion, which is a lot of the famous designer clothes atm, to Lady Gaga. I have nothing against her and find her music catchy but the all of the neverending comments and references to Gaga are starting to make me really detest seeing that name here on the Ayu boards again.

I remember in the news clip about the Sexy Little Things PV the host said one of the PVs theme's is "fashionable world". Shouldn't that be clear enough. If you watch almost any of the big designer fashion shows you'll see lots of Lady Gagas walking down the runway.

the one annoying thing about this is how many times do we (generalized ayu fans) say that other jpop artists look/sound/act like ayu?



i mean...it's just now that ayu is the target people get all defensive.



lady gaga is known world wide, while ayu is not. people who know nothing about ayu will always think she copied gaga because they don't know her past.

PLUS, ayu hasn't done any weird things in so long. so it's easy to say she's been re-inspired by gaga (for some people).

or whatever.

my opinion is--i don't care, haha. these clothes are readily available to anyone (with the money), so unless gaga has something specifically made for her and no one else, people can't be accused of copying her.

i mean gaga's green outfit in bad romance was in a fashion show being modeled by random models before she got it, so it's not "gaga's" in any way.

yes, she's re-introduced american/western/world audiences to weird fashion, but by no means is she the first.


http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adonnaCone.jpg

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allt...er_350x435.jpg

http://www.rad80sfashion.com/80s-wom...ndi_Lauper.jpg

http://rickyday.net/blog/bowie-david...ie-6230855.jpg

http://www.realbollywood.com/news/up...s/11112637.jpg

i mean really now.

btw when i first saw this thread i saw "Ayumi STDs" and I was like omfg whatt?!!!? xD

QFT. As far as I'm concerned, this post should end the thread. I wish more people like you would delurk and contribute, thatstacey - most intelligent post I've seen at AHS in years.

this still going, its not like the freaking pv is that good........
and its not like ayu will rise in popularity cause of it, its just plain stupid to think she would copy Lady gaga if ayu already popular and 1 pv wont rise her x200000 in sales.so why would she need to copy some1? specialy at this point in her career. it just dont make sense, and even more when ayu done crazy **** b4. this is nothing new. its been for me 1 of the reason why i like her.

This is the sentence I wanted to see there. Thank you very much.

and thatstacey post... Thank you too. I would quote that post in my signature but it's too long, what a pity.

for exsample
i think ourselves PV is best look for ayu ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hvjjA4RN-U&feature=fvsr

sometimes i also think some other Singer copies from ayu
like Madonna also Lady GaGa

i mean on the Stage Performace
because the cross actually ayu use it before Madonna's Coffession Tour
and Lady GaGa's blooy show for the Song "PAPARAZZI" perfomemace
actually ayu use the bloody show in her 1st Tour in 2000

all i wanna say is "IT'S FAD"
i don't know why people always care about this
this is really STUPID

why did you use a rolleyes smiley when that was part of the point O_o

In any case, there are a lot of reasons for the US having more international success.

The US doesn't really have as much as a margin for loss in other countries. They are never going to make as much in other places as here. Not many other countries are as big and populous as the US.

In their case, I think, they don't necessarily see expansion into other countries as a complete question of dollars and cents as many companies would. There are other reasons why they want to be there.

^Cultural dominance... the same kind of cultural dominance Japan is trying to archieve worldwide using anime and manga right now^^

And... ignore Crystal Ageha, she hates western music with a passion...

Yeah but it doesn't remind me of Gaga, I'm not trying to say that it doesn't look like it could remind someone of her but I'm being honest. Gaga couldn't have been further from my mind when view the pictures from ViVi and now the preview. Maybe it's because I'm not really into Gaga's image as much as I am her music lol.

yeah, seems Gaga (i don't like her and I don't know much about her) but seems...
i'm disappointed about the songs until now (Sexy little things, Lady Dinamite I was thinkinh something like my name's WOMEN, and count down), and the pv's too.

Random but i just got a Google alert on Ayu for a UK article "Why Japanese Pop Matters" and they said this about Ayu:

Idk it fits with this threads topic so i thought I'd post it

^
That is a great article, I think it merits its own thread! Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention!

You did not make your point clear. Then, why do you say it's all about money? You said, I can't understand your purpose. Don't you think it costs a lot of money to promote a singer in over 30 countries? You can bet big money loss if promotion is not successful. Also, a minimal margin for loss has no relation to domestic sales nor does it contribute to international success. What do you mean by this?

Do you mean to say American companies do not care about profit but rather, show western culture to other countries? If so, I think you are still wrong. I don't understand how an entertainment company can do this. Their primary goal is money, not cultural enlightenment. I think this is a fair accusation. What do you think?

^ wow, that's pretty recent, I searched it. Go The Guardian, it's not just some trashy newspaper either, it's The Guardian. Also talks about alan and some others too!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010...nese-pop-women

Thanks for posting that. Interesting!

Edit: they picked Ladies Night as their best song? That's even more interesting.

Most awkward part of the article imo is when the columnist mentions that she's been through multiple cosmetic surgeries... -shakes head-

I don't blame them... Sometimes she look too artificial like a barbie. A lot of make up, disgusting colored hair, and too much photoshop is the reason.
She is a natural woman. I know this because I seen many of her childhood pictures, but I can understand why people say she had plastic surgery.

Yes, that was a bit out of the blue whether it's true or not, but I think the rest of what she/he wrote is fair. Of course the selection artists is a bit strange as well, but it works in a way, to show variety.

I personally think that his adoration of Shiina explains his "haha, Ayu's everything is declining" attitude. Shiina was never as big as Ayu, I think, and I don't think he ever brought that up, you know?

I love Shiina Ringo but seriously, the article coming from some one who talks about the greatness of Nana Kitade and Tommy-cant-speak-english-but-writes-lyrics-in-nonsense-english makes me laugh.

Off topic: thanks god this song is not called Sexy little unique things (aka S L U T).

I just think ayu uses the idea of fashion in this PV? It is just being similar to Gaga but it does not mean that is from Gaga..

What? Have you heard sono de light speed english version and Can't take my eyes off you? She have a pretty decent english, and I think her lyrics are decent.

Those of you who say you didn't even think about Gaga when you saw the SLT preview must have some kind of eye disease. Or be blind...

I'm not gonna argue, it's just my opinion, and alot of other people on youtube and a few here. Most of you are hardcore Ayu fans and cannot really see it from "outside the box". Too caught up in Ayu and getting on the aggressive/defensive side whenever someone says something that doesn't suit your own opinions.

Ayu isn't the number one fashion and trend setter in the world. Not saying Gaga is either, but she has started a new thing, and Ayu is clearly taking alot of inspiration from her.

Didn't have time to read through 5 pages here, but I guess most of you highly disagree because you love her so much ;)

What about someone who hasn't seen anything from GaGa? (There are those who have managed to avoid her) I've clearly stated that some fashion designers in this PV are in fact previously used by GaGa, but that doesn't necessarily spell out that Ayu copied GaGa since a LOT of people have used Gareth Pugh and McQueen before.

If Ayu is copying GaGa, then GaGa is copying the fashion editorials all around the world which are what Ayu seems to be drawing her inspiration from. NOT GaGa.

IMO, you're the one who is being blind and not able to see "outside of your box" the possibility that they just so happen to have similar tastes in fashion. I mean, you're pretty much saying "AYU DID COPY GAGA."

What if Ayu says "GaGa? GaWho?" Where does your argument go then?

So that's 2 songs out of how many that don't make any sense? Maybe you should visit her solo work.

@FuNsTyLe
Believe it or not, those of us that didn't think Gaga have perfectly healthy vision. Gaga didn't invent face paint, Fashion, nor vogue-like hand movements so why should anyone associate these things with just her?

^ Yeah, believe it or not, there actually are people in the world who don't know GaGa, and many more who at least aren't familiar with her. I mean, the only reason I've seen her so much is because I live in the U.S. And the only reason I've heard more than a few seconds of her music is because I looked her up. If you don't listen to the radio or watch celebrity/music stations, you'd only ever see her on magazines as you do your grocery shopping. (Well, it may be a little harder than that for many in the U.S., but that's more than true for Asian countries, I'm sure.)

I kinda know most of her work actually. I think her english are decent pretty much cutesy on February6 and well I can't explain her english on Heavenly6 but at least it's better than a lot of J-pop artist.

I personally didn't think of Gaga when I saw the preview... why? because I just don't care if it looks like Gaga or any artist work for that matter. It's Ayu's song why should I think of other artist when I'm watching her vids?

Anyways here's a skit I made

Gaga Fan : Ayu's Duty cover was a copy of Gaga's Telephone costume and she copied Gaga's video for her SLT PV because Gaga designed all those clothes that's why she's the only one who could wear it and Gaga made the White background she's the only one who should use it.

Ayu Fan : No Ayu didn't... And stupid Duty was released way before Gaga.

Gaga Fan : Well Ayu still copied Gaga, Nothing can change that because she invented weird.

Sane Person : You're both idiots... Originality died like 50 years ago..
No one's original right now. They're either a complete rip-off or they put their own twist on the existing style.


Anyways I love both of them but I listen to both of them for different reasons

I actually didn't really care about GaGa until a friend got obsessed with her and started linking me to a ton of GaGa things. Other than that, I'd probably never really even care about her, haha.

I'm pretty sure people disagree because they disagree. It has nothing to do with "loving her so much", at least not for me. But I guess it makes you feel better to say that the people who don't agree with you are stans or blind or whatever.

my god, in the world there aren`t thousend of top stylist, if she used the same stylist this won`t mean she copied GaGa or everyone else.
And even if she copied, do we really care?
Honestly I`m interestend in listening a good song and watching a well designed PV. that`s ALL.

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if you hate ayu and if you hate us who try to defend ayu, then why you joined this forum? LOL

trying some cruel intentions, haters? :D LOL

and Gaga has done nose job too before! duh! :)

The only person I'm a huuuge fan of isn't even a singer...

Seriously, don't just accuse people of being stans when they have a different opinion than you. If you've read any of my posts, you'd know I haven't been really liking Ayu's style lately. That being said, it's not my love for Ayu that makes me not see "GaGa" in the video. Maybe it's because... I TRY MY BEST TO AVOID ANYTHING "GAGA".

And nope, I was able to read your post, so I don't think I'm blind. ;)

And oh, you actually take people on YouTube's opinions into consideration? :roflmao No, seriously. I'm not trying to be mean, but people on YT shouldn't be allowed to type.

you don't know how to think beyond yourself. Even if you can't understand it, you should not say something so ignorant like that. I say you have a brain problem because of your opinion. Is that fair for me to say?

You don't know Ayumi's career, it seems. She's been doing this strange fashion for so many years. Suddenly, it is the work of Lady Gaga? No one said she is a global trendsetter, but why do you say Lady Gaga is her inspiration if Ayumi is doing what she has always done?

Do not give blame to fans because you have a different thought. It is so child-like. I challenge you to say Ayumi has inspiration from Madonna. I promise you will not get the same reaction. Why don't you think "outside the box" ?

See, I don't think most people are saying "she copied" - but it's similar. Reminiscent of GaGa recently.

I'm too lazy to quote and go through everything atm but I think the reason everyone thinks she copying Lady Gaga is because the clothing are very similar in style, for being very out their and bizarre. But like mention in the first post this is due to the fact that they are by the SAME DESIGNER so of course there is going to be similarity. Personally I feel that this whole album is has a European theme or just a London theme and this isn't a new development I think its been leading up to this for a while. With the whole RIMMEL ads I think it may have built up from there with the whole "European feel" and I think she decided to focus on that aspect for this album, which is why the PV's were film in London and such. But honestly all we can really do is speculate unless we get an official message from Ayu we can't really know

its pretty simple:

ayu did bizarre clothes before gaga

so gaga can gtfo

http://gwareth.org/gallery/d/71617-1/screenshot0951.png

GAGA COPY

^ LOL

On the other hand
It's funny that when people lost interest on Ayu and started hating her, They still lurk around the forums and do nothing but troll.

vateva~~~

see if either artists care lol~

almost every outfit of Lady GaGa is outrageous. ayu only does it once in a while. i am out of the discussion about who copy who because its really LAME to talk about this. -___-

Ayu was way before gaga!That is all I`m saying!!
And also you have to look on the videos...I mean sorry but I don`t see a naked ayu jumping around the videos!^^
So no!!!She isn`t like gaga!!

If she copy anyone on this video, it was Batman The Joker XD LOED:P

:roflmao

Yeah okay, I have an eye disease because I didn't think of Gaga when I saw SLT. Some people don't have Gaga on the brain 24/7 and some people have a different point of view outside of fan bias. It may be undeniable that the outfits are Gaga-ish but that doesn't mean one has to necessarily think of her. ESPECIALLY, when this particular artist, Ayumi Hamasaki, is known for doing this for a while. It's almost like saying Madonna or Grace Jones drew inspiration from Gaga if they decide to dress weird tomorrow. Yes, Ayu may be taking inspiration, but to call people blind or claim they have some disease because they don't connect it all to Gaga is rude. :irked

i don't think Ayu is GAGA-ish on Slt PV..
since she's not that weird, it's the models who're weird..
where GAGA always the one who looks weird, dressing weird in her PVs, where Ayu is not weird at all..

It looks more like copy from Christina Aguilera's outfit in Fighter PV... One bad thing about ourselves PV, unfortunately. :(

^ Funny, those two songs actually came out pretty much the exact same time, Ayumi's single being released one month later than Christina's... It would have to be coincidence, then. (Unless one of the PV's came out a lot earlier than the singles and the other PV?)
But yeah, it does look very similar.

:no:no:no

Ayu is her own person! She's been doing this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Gaga :yes And it's not like Gaga doesn't copy other artists' styles (>_<)

don't get me wrong, i like gaga's music but in her videos she always looks like a superficial, lost and degenerate prostitute
she is more than a great fashion show..she is the reflection of the decadence of our world, the lost of the values of our specie.
GaGa is like the result of the last and bizzarre days of our civilization.

ayumi obviusly is waaaaay different than that

^Yes, obviously.

Most of Gaga's actions are parodies and full of satire, meant to be reflections of the things in our culture people don't want to pay attention to.

Having said that, I don't think Ayu and Gaga are all that different at all...in fact they're pretty similar. They're just different in how they go about things. Ayu chooses to cloud her intentions through subtle imagery and metaphors. Gaga throws it in your face.

But I guess that's what's most important to people right? Appearances. Forget trying to understand anything...she looks like she's being a ho, she's trashy and a degenerate prostitute and the picture of the lost values of our species.

:rolleyes Grow up. Our species didn't know anything about itself until now. Now is when everyone is finally choosing the right path, the harder path, of looking at ourselves and actually understanding who we are.

All the old rules and traditions are becoming outdated...And rightfully so. However, the ones that should stick...will.

Gaga is only giving you a mirror to look into. I think Ayu does the same a lot as well, and that her PVs would be much more sensational if the tradition in Japan wasn't just to stfu and smile.

emiko, that is a really interesting post.
However, I don't think it is creative to be flamboyant or too easy. Lady gaga tells you her purpose immediately. How boring, to me anyway. Other singers might chose to be subtle so we can think about it for days. This is my preference. of course, you think otherwise.

But, how did you feel about RULE and SPARKLE PV?
I understood her story in one watch... disappointed.

Why isn't it creative? What is creativity? Who gets to decide?

Yeah, it's just preference. I personally, don't mind. Sometimes the symbolism overload in Ayu's PVs is just stupid to me lol Like my friend said about the BALLAD PV, "The trees are cardboard? Are they symbolic of real trees?" lol

I don't really think otherwise, I just think it's important to try to understand things from a point of view that isn't really always my own. I mean, I always try to understand a work of art from the view of the artist, you know, and what is going on inside their heads.

When something is really blatant and in your face, it makes me think about why the artist felt they had to go about it that way. What in our society makes it uncomfortable for all these things to be shoved in our faces? Why can't we just get over it?

Gaga definitely has a flamboyance about her and her messages are really easy to understand...but...they're still really hard for people to accept, and for me, when I look at what she does, that's what's most important...so a lot of other things, I think, I can forgive.


I liked RULE and Sparkle...they were fun lol They had the feel of being just another set of PVs in her repertoire...but I do enjoy her messages. I dont think they were necessarily GREAT...but they werent bad, or average...they were certainly better than some of her other recent PVs lol I wasn't disappointed...

I don't really look at her PVs in that way...like, I want them to be all deep and whatever. I really just want to be entertained. For me, sometimes, being deep all the time and having a message can get boring, especially if you're not entertaining with how you go about presenting it.

Like GREEN...omg that could have had such a monumental message in it...but I was so bored...I really didn't care lol

About Ayu deep subtle messages... after watching all of her videos, IMO tons of times there wasn't hidden deep messages... only aesthetical choices that people around here found bizarre and tried so hard to "understand" that they give it a "meaning"

I mean, after I saw some people saying JEWEL pv was deep, I lost faith in humanity (and gained faith on ayu fans' creativity xD)

Sometimes, pretty stuff are meant to be just pretty, bizarre stuff are meant to be just bizarre, and that's nothing wrong with it

this..

really made my day!

thanks emiko! :D :heart

LOVE ya!

To emiko,

In my view, if someone can tell the purpose of your art immediately, it is not creative. I demand my mind be stressed. I want to imagine and have many different conclusions. Here is the dictionary definition of creativity.

It favors both your view and mine, doesn't it? Who really does decide what creativity is? For now, it will just individual opinions, right? :>

I'm sorry, but perhaps your friend should think a bit more... I got an impression she or he is unimaginative and simple but I never want to think that of someone. I challenge him or her to think just a little more ^^ What could artificial trees mean? Trees can represent growth. Better yet, a tree with no leaves can represent death. What could she possibly mean by a leafless tree made of cardboard? Oh! the mind goes wild!!

The reason for her method is a different subject. So, you believe because society is fearful of taboos that are simply a part of human nature, artists like Lady Gaga are inclined to be flamboyant? I strongly agree! However, she will never satisfy people who don't care for "lower" art. This is sensual to you, but uninspiring to me. Of course, you might call my "high" art a "low" art too. Hehe...

I understand. Fun is an important element of life. GREEN was so-so! The purpose was too obvious. If midori (how cute... name of her dancer is green!) and Ayumi didn't do a romantic dance but only shared a few intimate glances, I would have been intrigued. She should have excluded Gomi and Shuya, too. Don't misunderstand me, I am a gay person, but it was so silly. Whatever!

I don't think it necessarily means they have to be flamboyant, but I think a lot of times it does push people that way...but with all this, I mean, it's really hard to have general statements because, every person is different and every artist has a different way of presenting their art.

I think the fear of taboos are essential for Gaga because it's something she presents herself around.

About high and low art...well, what I've found is that, it's kind of hard to really explain that to people. In painting, a lot of people describe it as the difference between creating illustration, and then someone creating new ideas on a canvas. Example: Thomas Kinkade versus someone like Marcel Duchamp.

I don't really divide art into what's easy and hard to understand, and I don't divide creativity that way either.

In presenting her purpose, I don't really think Gaga is preoccupied with trying to be artistic in a way that it will make people think and interpret what she is trying to say. IMO her main goal is to portray herself and what always made her feel unwelcome and uncomfortable in the world that we live in.

However with Ayu, I think a lot of times, that's exactly what she wants. And a lot of artists are that way. They want you to think, and try to figure it out, or they want you to think and interpret for yourself, and that's cool too.

Both ways for me have their merits, so I don't really mind either one. In this case, person to person, it will always come down to personal preference. But I think it's important for people to realise that neither one is really better than the other, just different.

Just like people and PVs. Some people always want the really deep, hidden meanings, disguised symbol PVs, and other people just want them to be entertaining and fun and stuff. I see this in conventional art too. I work and study in a gallery right now, and it's interesting. We'll have works in, and you always have a mix of opinions, but one thing I noticed is that some people, like to understand what they see like, instantly, and if they don't, they hate the work...and then other people, will love all the mystery and it really amplifies what they see, and makes them like it more.

I find that divide really interesting, and it happens like with every show we have lol


For PVs...I'm a balance person. I like both...I think Ayu has a good balance of deep and not so deep PVs lol and, for me at least, Gaga mixes them those ideas together in her PVs...


and I agree! I think GREEN would have worked better without the dance as well. It was so cheesy too! Or they could have had another scene with the two of them, or something...whatever! lol it failed.


(oh and about my friend...yeah...he's not an artsy person...he likes to see something and understand it immediately lol)

absolutely. I enjoy to hear your thoughts. But it seems like only a conversation between you and me.
You listen to many different thoughts at the art gallery, don't you? How lucky :luv2

microphone, it's such a delight to have users like you at AHS!

So imaginative! And willing to see beyond that's actually there when it comes to Ayu!

***Sorry if this has nothing to do with Ayu and GaGa, I just feel as though I've already said my piece about the comparisons about Sexy little things and etc. earlier on in the thread.

I love the quote in the post by all.night.raver. -hides-

My friend showed me this and I thought it'd be PERFECT to stick in this thread:

http://mangeorge.com/wp-content/uplo...9/06/steal.jpg

I think that should put a stop to people saying GaGa is not original and rips off fashion/earlier artists (David Bowie or whatever was mentioned).

^ I love that~

^^ That's pretty nice to end this thread :yes

because of our nature, we're always a copy of something (we're the genetic copy of our relatives, isn't it?). Ideas don't born from nothing, we're everyday influnced by everything. If we don't learn from others we cannot formulate anything new.

Maybe just God created something from anything, right? LOL :)

It's like every popstar shoul be accused to copy Madonna..the masters are an inspiration, a starting point, a help to find ourselves.

thanks allnightraver for sharing that piece

And put a stop to those that say Ayumi is copying GaGa, no? It works both ways.

Why is everyone so hung up on this? The benefits are mutual for the artists involved here. Lady Gaga is the hot topic now so naturally, Ayu's camp will take notice and be "inspired" by it at least to some extent....Likewise back before Gaga really hit it big, she had some theatrics similar to what Ayu does in her tours...why is it so wrong for two to be inspired by each other?

I was like Lady Gaga for Sexy Little Things but hey that could be her inspiration for that video cause lady gaga stands up for womans rights, stuff like that ya know Plus thanks to lady gaga (and some others), stuff like that is in, its the new style, If i was a singer i would get my inspiration from lady gaga or ayumi hamasaki or artists. I just dumb people say its copied but its not, do you kinda get what i am saying?

Yes. Not copying, just similar.

For those of you who are saying she's just "inspired" by Gaga for this video.......tbh I feel like you just have your heads up your asses.

One model had on pretty much the exact same Gareth Pugh outfit that gaga wore for her X-Factor performance of Bad Romance (The one with the robot style arms), two other models in the video had on the exact Charlie le Mindu lips hairpiece that Gaga wears during the "walk walk fashion baby" scene in Bad Romance. Not to mention that whole single white room thing and the scene towards the end where all the people are on a couch similar to the beginning of Bad Romance. I understand if Ayu wants to use high fashion in her videos, because everyone's doing it nowadays, but she could have at least been original and chosen other lines and designers.


This video is just a horrible recycled/watered down version of the Bad Romance video. I really expected a lot from Ayu and she's let me down with this crap. Not to mention the song itself is just disgusting.

angry fan is angry
this is what I noticed too

but copy or no copy I could care less as the music is good

I mean i'm not angry, its just i expect Ayu to be original and creative and not blatantly rip off someone else's idea. I thoroughly enjoyed the other two pvs so all my hope in her isn't lost.

She was in London.

The concept of the video was fashion. London/British fashion to be exact. All of those designers are huge names in London. I don't see what's so wrong with pulling pieces like that from big designers... would it have been better if Ayu chose the pineapple hair instead of the lip hairpieces? If she chose the checkered bodysuit instead of the robot arms?

The Gareth Pugh work seems to be a completely altered one as it's very different from the one GaGa wore, but the silhouette is similar. I feel like this is Startin' all over again with the "Toxic" part being replaced with Bad Romance... -sigh-

I suppose though that Ayu plugging the eyeball in and pushing "play" a la Bad Romance is a little too close for comfort.

I agree on your previous post in somethings
and you are free to your opinion
I was just joking btw

there is no right or wrong
some fans just want ayu to be original and perfect and whatnot
but we have to be realistic

Oh yeah I know i didnt take offense to that lol :P thanks for agreeing.

@TrueHappiness: I understand she wanted to showcase british designers, but there is so much to choose from its just funny that she chose those specific fashions. Also, it's not wrong or unusual for people to use high fashions from famous designers, it's just the context that they were used in. This is just my opinion, but the whole thing is just too Lady Gaga for me; especially after seeing her use those same things months ago it would just be nice to see Ayu go in another direction, especially since she's so fashionable herself.

I love SLT the song grew on me and it's like for me her best cutesy song.
And oh the PV reminds me more of Alterna than Lady gaga

The room in the videos looks like the kylie: "i can't get you out of my head" room video.

When you want the best of the best, there isn't much to choose from, haha. GaGa tends to go back and forth with her fashion choices pulling from collections that were shown YEARS ago, but Ayu chose relatively recent (2008-2009) fashions for Sexy little things.

jeez... can't beleave ppl r still going at this =.=''

get a life -.-'

I didn't realize Lady GaGa had copyrights and invented all these ideas and clothes all by herself and once she used them no one else is allowed to ever without being a dirty rip off.

Grow up, you ****ing moron.

another
angry fan is angry :laugh

Can't people just stop to insult and bash other fans and artists?
I will never understand why somebody means you have to do that. You can express your opinion without insulting and bashing, in a more mature way.
All that hating is so uneccessary.

Lady Gaga is the most common artist worldwide at the moment. Ayu chooses the same designers and some similar places in SLT. Of course some will like that, some will not, some are reminded of Lady Gaga, some aren't. In the end it's just about the personal feeling and preference. Nobody directly copied, but it's interesting to think and write about why Gaga is so big right now and why Ayu choose to do a similar concept right now in one of her videos. Maybe it is just a coincidence? Maybe Ayu just liked the same designers? Or maybe she was inspired by Gaga to do something like she's done before again?
But people, please write in a more mature way, cause I don't want to read that unfriendly mess!

I'm so addicted to the song and PV!!!!

I know, right? What's with the random cursing, too? This isn't fighting in middle school (or even elementary) or anything...

i think it's because gaga is so popular these days, so whenever people see weird/exaggerated costumes they naturally relate them to gaga's fashion.

also, those costumes are from mcqueen. so i don't think they follow gaga's idea.

while this thread still exists should we go back to seeing how ayu copied madonna in 2002. oh no! because it just matters so much.

to me ayu looks good and it sends a good message. and as far as the pv goes thats all i care about

and more important than any sort of "images" is the song. why does everyone focus so much on pv than the song which. si it because the song doesnt have a gaga similarity so oh its not that important. i personally like the song. whatever. i wish this thread could be closed since maturity is lacking (Even from me)

but for me .ayu's radio tape more cute than gaga :D :D

kanariya : madonna?
ourselves : christina aguilera?
startin - britney spears?
SLT - gaga?
watch it carefully.