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nanakopy87 14th December 2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 2185144)
The 1920x1080 .mpeg version got uploaded to jpopsuki already

this is great.i guess i'm able to download the HQ soon?

waterballoon 14th December 2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neffiline (Post 2185133)
I agree with everything you said, except I personally don't think this part is weird. It actually make's a lot of sense to me.

I firmly believe that when you are in a coma, you can hear things around you. You might not remember when you wake up, but I'm sure you can hear certain things, if not everything. I'm thinking the part where you see all the letters, is Ayu writing them, and she probably tells him too. That could explain why he writes them in his comatic dream and be related to all the letters in the room with Ayu.

I get what you mean. What I was trying to say was that... it was never clear who exactly wrote the letters. If we hadn't like a ton of letters in the room/hospital ward, I would just say the letters were written by Shu-ya in his subconscious world.

Yet with the letters appearing in "reality", it also opens up a possibility that it was Ayu who has been "writing" these letters; she says these words to Shu-ya, and in his coma state, he interprets these words as letters, just like what you mean.

But it's kinda weird, how Shu-ya's the one who's sending all these letters when he hears them anyway lol. Maybe in his subconscious world he thinks Ayu is the one who died instead.

And oh so a HQ version is up already? Gonna download it!

haikudasai 14th December 2009 03:40 PM

I read a few interpretations of Ayumi in the floating island near the pond...

I don't think she's being a Goddess like most delusional fans think she already is, I think that's the "heaven" in that world. As you can see in the background it looks like there are other floating islands which could easily be other people after death.

It's obvious that Shu-ya doesn't realize that he died. He believed that Ayumi died. In his mind, whatever's left of it, believes that is what happened to Ayumi.

In addition to the notes. I believe the letters that he sending are actually things that Ayumi had spoken to him while in his coma. Hearing them in his mind he could easily believe that he is thinking it and then sending it back to her without knowing it was her message to him.

__________

She not a spring chicken so I'm expecting her to age gracefully. I'm hoping she doesn't go the botox way and eventually shows some fine lines. She's earned them.

I think she looked pretty young in the You were... video because of the soft dewy look she had. BALLAD had that powdery washed out thing going on for the floating island. She did look younger during the motorcycle part.

maikaru 14th December 2009 03:49 PM

I think this PV is really supposed to be like... Shuya thinks he is the one who lived, and kept sending messages to Ayu, saying like
"Please don't go," "I am so sorry" because he thought he killed her.
Because we dont see the real Ayumi until the very end, when it's revealed he is the one who is in a coma, or dead, or whatever.

The thing which made me believe it is that when he finds out that his mail just keeps getting sent back,
And then he finds postman, who is really him, the postman fades away, almost like the dream is over, and he remembers that it's Ayu who was okay in that crash.

But I also think they were both writing things for eachother, because they both felt the same way,
only Ayu is in real world, and Shuya is in coma dream world.

I think the PV is really supposed to be like "omg!! he's the one who died!"

dreamland2.0 14th December 2009 04:05 PM

^Yah I get the feeling it was supposed to be a surprise too, just from the way they show Ayu lying on the ground first and then it switches to Ayu getting up and seeing Shuya on the ground. I think the TV spoilers might have ruined it a bit, just like with Days. :laugh

noidea 14th December 2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by teddbear55 (Post 2185216)
^Yah I get the feeling it was supposed to be a surprise too, just from the way they show Ayu lying on the ground first and then it switches to Ayu getting up and seeing Shuya on the ground. I think the TV spoilers might have ruined it a bit, just like with Days. :laugh

Haha, so it was a good thing afterall not to watch spoilers xD I knew they would show the most important part

C+R+E+AYUMI 14th December 2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2185201)
I think this PV is really supposed to be like... Shuya thinks he is the one who lived, and kept sending messages to Ayu, saying like
"Please don't go," "I am so sorry" because he thought he killed her.
Because we dont see the real Ayumi until the very end, when it's revealed he is the one who is in a coma, or dead, or whatever.

A sort of Romeo & Juliet? It could be. :yes :yes

Anyway I should allow my self to say that, even though I love crazily this song, the PV isn't good at all to me. I was disappointed by You were..PV not because it wasn't bautiful, but just because it didn't reach me.
But this PV is ugly to me. I'm sorry but it isn't in accordance with the song..mmh, no harmony at all among them.

amorphose 14th December 2009 05:12 PM

I keep forgetting about RED LINE's existence. Like, it's just going to leak one day and I'm gonna be like "OMG! NEW AYU SONG!!" and be so happy cause I keep forgetting. xD

ayu_ready? 14th December 2009 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2181509)
^Well, considering that Secret, Together When, Green, Pride, Rainy Day and Curtains Call are some of her best ballads IMO, I disagree xD

But considering that IMO Carols and No Way to Say are boring as hell and sound pretty much alike, maybe I just should be ignored xD

you said "considering". who considered these ballads to be the best? I don't think them to be :)

I don't like Secret, Together When and Curtain's call for the same reason I don't like You were..., I can say that they are a way too boring, typical, and non-interesting aka absolutely forgettable. many will disagree though :P

and I do find CAROLS and No Way to Say better, much better, so tastes differ ;)

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Originally Posted by nanakopy87 (Post 2181778)
i believe this is because we all love her darker side of songs rather the one she's producing-Days,You were...
The feeling when i'm listening to pride,heaven and so on the you've mentioned always make me very sad and in anger while Days and you were... make me feel sad BUT calm,not as emotional as pride,heaven etc.
she's know found the 'light' and came out from the 'dark',so,i don't really expect her to go back to the dark anymore :no

well, I don't actual appeal to that "everyone" ;)

I mean the music, too much simplified & boring and same arrangement all over. that's what I mean, actually. and I think it doesn't make anyting good. because the music doesn't feel creative, it doesn't have that "it" feeling, I think, it's like a different variations of the one same song, I feel that way

I didn't mean darker side or light side. I don't care about the sides in music which fans here tell about it. when I listen to music, I don't think whether it's dark or light atmosphere, I just think whether it appeals to me and whether I want to to listen it again and buy the Ayustuff, or whether I should just keep it, but not listen at all :)

emi♡ 14th December 2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 2185144)
The 1920x1080 .mpeg version got uploaded to jpopsuki already

it did? I don't see it. I only see the MQ one.
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Originally Posted by haikudasai (Post 2185198)
She's not a spring chicken so I'm expecting her to age gracefully. I'm hoping she doesn't go the botox way and eventually shows some fine lines. She's earned them.

:laugh

Kazeyomi 14th December 2009 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by haikudasai (Post 2185198)
I read a few interpretations of Ayumi in the floating island near the pond...

I don't think she's being a Goddess like most delusional fans think she already is, I think that's the "heaven" in that world. As you can see in the background it looks like there are other floating islands which could easily be other people after death.

It's obvious that Shu-ya doesn't realize that he died. He believed that Ayumi died. In his mind, whatever's left of it, believes that is what happened to Ayumi.

In addition to the notes. I believe the letters that he sending are actually things that Ayumi had spoken to him while in his coma. Hearing them in his mind he could easily believe that he is thinking it and then sending it back to her without knowing it was her message to him.

This is sure the most interesting interpretation of BALLAD's PV, in my opinion :yes

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Originally Posted by haikudasai (Post 2185198)
She not a spring chicken so I'm expecting her to age gracefully. I'm hoping she doesn't go the botox way and eventually shows some fine lines. She's earned them.

I lol'd at spring chicken :laugh but I agree with you, even if asian women still looks pretty young when they're old (especially their skin).I don't get why people think that you're younger only during twenties and after them you're are critically old lol. Ayu looks as a young woman and not like a girl anymore.

emi♡ 14th December 2009 11:25 PM

^well, it's not that way in like daily life...but in certain job industries, it is.

I mean, like example, models, figure skaters, anything where like, you have to use your body I think...after you hit 30, you're getting kind of old for those jobs.

Andrenekoi 15th December 2009 12:54 AM

Well... it's time for jpop to have an adult successful female singer....

emi♡ 15th December 2009 01:05 AM

so back onto things that are relevant...


is there any consensus about who the letters are from?

jbrat2219 15th December 2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2185633)
is there any consensus about who the letters are from?

I've always thought they were from Ayu. I don't see how it could be from anyone else.

Andrenekoi 15th December 2009 01:25 AM

Do that really matter? I mean... if there was a right interpretation of the video, it would be released with a tutorial xD

jbrat2219 15th December 2009 01:41 AM

There are plenty of ways to interpret Ayu PVs so many are better off drawing their own conclusion I guess. My conclusion is the that the letters were from Ayu :P

Andrenekoi 15th December 2009 01:42 AM

^There are plenty of ways to interpret anything xD

GRACE 15th December 2009 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony G (Post 2184981)
I like waterballoon's interpretation, but I think there's a major theme missing from all of them: most are assuming that since Shuya is unconscious, that his messages or "letters" don't get delivered to the goddess Ayu above. But what about in reverse? When people are unconcious, it doesn't mean that they cannot hear or percieve what is going on around them. The final scene is of Ayu grasping Shuya's hand. She has been sending her prayers the entire time, and they are being "delivered" into Shuya's subconcious state.

Shuya wouldn't be sending "please don't go" or "please stay with me" to Ayu. But it can be interpreted both ways - who is the sender?

But Shuya is sending messages that we never see, except for the end.. "please don't go". When he tears open the mailbox, this is the letter we can see that is open. His letters never got sent. But he was recieving messages - were these his messages just being sent back to him? Is that why, the 2nd time it happens, he chases the mailman?

All the messages are in the same handwriting - does this mean the same person thought them? Do thoughts all end up looking the same on paper? If these are just thoughts and prayers being sent into the conscious mind, the handwriting wouldn't indicate anything about who wrote them.

I don't know.. this aspect of the video is so confusing. >__<

If you look closely, the "Sorry" message is in different handwriting then the other two.

AyuWorld 15th December 2009 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2185642)
I've always thought they were from Ayu. I don't see how it could be from anyone else.

yea i'd love to hear Ayu's interpretation.what she's thinking about this PV :D

my conclusion those letters from Shuya,he's writing what Ayu's whispering to him cos in his comatic world Ayu had died. the reality is Ayu's weeping beside him in the hospital and saying those things..that's why he got a big surprise when he knew that the mailman was himself and there's no way those letters can be sent to Ayu cos he's now in another world.Not in the reality.

well, people always complaining Ayu's looks old.she didn't look old but matured to me.it's normal thing as a human being to get older,we're not a robot.many other artist that older than her but still popular out there,so, what's the problem with Ayu, i think cos we're so use with cute litle childish Ayu :P and when she's 30 people still want her like 20 year old Ayu.even Ayu herself said that she didn't want to be an adult.Ayu's still Ayu no matter how old she is.Happy go lucky Ayu! :yes so, let things work like how they should be.


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