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Chibi-Chan 28th August 2013 01:52 PM

^If she just finds it cool it's even more low. I mean, how old is she, 12?

marty 28th August 2013 02:05 PM

^
I don't know, maybe because english is not my first language, I find it cool myself:D But what I meant is that she probably didn't mean it in a bad way toward anyone, it's just something to laugh about.

~angel*ayumi~ 28th August 2013 02:07 PM

Seriously? Only so less stuff? And no Phonestrap ._.
The cap is nice, but 40€ is too expensive imho?
And what exactly is thi ×ARTISTAMP stuff?

I rly like the color of teh goods but teh rest is very disapointing, oh well better for my empty pocket^^ ( i am so poor after AniNite and GamesCom xD)

mi|kshake 28th August 2013 02:42 PM

I prefer No Bitches Please to "Haters Gonna Hate" etc as it seems more tongue in cheek.

jiarongisme 28th August 2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 3025345)
I remembered that one, where Ku mouthing the lyrics....I think that was in MsTa?

Yup! I remember it was a ranking thing, I think top selling singles, and Kuu was mouthing to M and Trauma.

AyusJewel 28th August 2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3025390)
I really don't like the cap. I would have loved it if it would be "No Haters Please" or "Haters Gonna Hate" or something like that. But "No Bitches Please"? Seriously? Am I the only one who finds it kinda low? With this she stoops herself on a level with all the haters.

My opinion!

Neko★munication 28th August 2013 07:10 PM

Seriously guys? :laugh Soooo many Japanese accessories will literally just have english swear words on them for no reason other than to look cool. I kind of doubt this hat is Ayu's take-that at her haters or anything - she probably knows what it means and just thought it was funny. This is coming from the girl who typed "WHERE U @ BITCH????" in a PV and who wore a hat saying "CHIP CHIP pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~S" or something absurd like that a while back :laugh

She's just having fun, don't look into it too much :P

EDIT: uh... censor filter still on, I guess? :laugh I meant "CHIP CHIP MOTHERF*****" but i'm gonna leave that mess of pretty ponies because it looks fun :3

koumori 28th August 2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3025390)
I really don't like the cap. I would have loved it if it would be "No Haters Please" or "Haters Gonna Hate" or something like that. But "No Bitches Please"? Seriously? Am I the only one who finds it kinda low? With this she stoops herself on a level with all the haters.

The word bitch doesn't have such a negative connotation in Japan. People would probably take as much offence as being called a "bitch" as they would a "hater". I can imagine she sees it as more of a cool phrase than anything rebellious.

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Originally Posted by Neko★munication (Post 3025454)
EDIT: uh... censor filter still on, I guess? :laugh I meant "CHIP CHIP MOTHERF*****" but i'm gonna leave that mess of pretty ponies because it looks fun :3

Some words are still filtered. :)

pommy48 28th August 2013 09:07 PM

Ayu once wear a 'fuck' shirt...English is just cool in Japan

Zeke. 28th August 2013 10:16 PM

At first I couldn't believe that hat, but it's lightyears better than using the term Haters in any way, shape or form. That stupid phrase is just ridiculous and comes of with such self-righteousness it's just ridiculous.

Ayu-me 28th August 2013 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3025485)
Ayu once wear a 'fuck' shirt...English is just cool in Japan

I've seen a teenage boy walk around central Stockholm wearing a shirt with the word "fuck" on it, and Swedes in general understand English a lot better than Japanese people. I think that for the most part people don't get too fazed by a foreign language's foul words, because while they carry a lot of expression, they don't carry the appropriate cultural expression, if you get what I mean. I'd feel more insulted if someone threw me Swedish insults rather than American ones, I simply connect more (personally and culturally) to things in my native language and I think that's true for many others (including Japanese people) as well.
Anyway, I'm definitely getting the cap and the shirt, still undecided on the other stuff...

jiarongisme 29th August 2013 03:38 AM

I'd like to think that Timmy suggested that and Ayu found it funny and pitched it to the ones who designed the cap. :laugh

pommy48 29th August 2013 03:59 AM

^ I don't know, but I always have this image that Ayu and Timmy would be chatting and joking by saying "oh, you bitch" :laugh

A little rich Mean Girls clique :laugh

jiarongisme 29th August 2013 04:39 AM

^ Yeah exactly! I remember her tweeting Timmy calling him a skinny white lesbian bitch or something like that. That was HILARIOUS.

kotora 29th August 2013 04:41 AM

Haters gonna hate <- not everyone can get what "gonna" means.

No Bitches Please is simple and direct. Everyone can understand.

SURREAL__RAINBOW 29th August 2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3025390)
I really don't like the cap. I would have loved it if it would be "No Haters Please" or "Haters Gonna Hate" or something like that. But "No Bitches Please"? Seriously? Am I the only one who finds it kinda low? With this she stoops herself on a level with all the haters.

Actually I'm surprised that we didn't get more reactions like this one earlier on LOL

But as always, OH DEAR OL' AHS :love :luv2

Chibi-Chan 29th August 2013 01:34 PM

I know that a lot of Japanese people like English (foul) words just because it's English and often they even don't know what it means. But Ayu speaks and understands enough English to know the negative connotation.

I simply have enough of all those girls calling each other a bitch. Most of the time it actually doesn't make any sense concerning the original meaning of the word bitch (leaving aside the fact that I would never call a girl a bitch because of "inappropriate sexual behaviour"). For those girls it's simply just "cool" to call each other bitch. It's childish and dumb. And it gets even more ridiculous when gay guys also start calling each other bitch. At some point you aren't 12 or 13 anymore and it doesn't speak for your maturity if you still call someone bitch in public just because it's "cool". (And in this case the operative word is in public. I don't care what inside jokes people make in their clique.)

pimenta 29th August 2013 01:57 PM

I honestly think "no bitches please" is A LOT better the "haters gonna hate" or anything like that. The first one seems like something supposed to be cool and fun and not really supposed to be meaningful, but the second one seems kind of desperate and would sound like she's too worried about the haters...

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I see no problem in people who call each other "bitch" if it's in a playful or friendly way and not supposed to be offensive. If they like it, then what's the problem?! Don't judge so much other people's way of talking just because it's different than the way you rather speak...

koumori 29th August 2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3025618)
I know that a lot of Japanese people like English (foul) words just because it's English and often they even don't know what it means. But Ayu speaks and understands enough English to know the negative connotation.

As Ayu-me said further up, simply knowing the connotation isn't really enough. I'm sure everyone knows a few rude phrases/words from languages that aren't their first one, but they just don't have the affect that your native language's words do. If someone says something rude to me in my second language it really doesn't have the same effect as someone cussing me out in English. Maybe it's because we were all brought up knowing certain words were really, really bad and it's more psychological than anything as to why we now give native language rudeness so much power over us.

Besides, Ayu knows this merchandise is primarily focused at her Asian fans. Even if she does understand and sees 'bitch' as something rude (something I doubt), her audience will not and they'll just see it as cool English. It's knowing your audience too.

I think you're comparing two very different situations - teenagers swearing and calling each other by stereotypically negative words to seem 'cool', and then another culture seeing a non-native language as cool. But if you deem both situations immature I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. To be honest, I don't really like the hat, but I don't see it as immature, just a clash of tastes...Ayu is trying very hard to be young and edgy again, and I prefer the days when she was actually young and edgy without trying lol, without having to be seen as a 'party queen'.

tokyoxjapanxfan 29th August 2013 02:44 PM

Not sure if this was posted, but a Japanese newspaper article about a-nation stated/confirmed that Ayu will be the last act.


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