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SunshineSlayer 27th October 2008 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1679557)
Supposedly, GREEN is directed by Kazuyoshi Shimomura and has the same team working on it as Distance Love.

Oh crap. :thud I'll hope to be pleasantly surprised, but oh crap. :thud

It's this kind of decision making lately that is making me scratch my head. Is no one going up to Ayumi and telling her that the PVs from those people weren't exactly well received?

truehappiness 27th October 2008 05:38 AM

I'm guessing that Ayu is the type of person who doesn't really care if people dislike it... like, as long as she is feeling that it's good [like all the work Kazuyoshi has done since 2008 started]... it's good to her, even when in comparison to her previous works, they're not at all at the same level..

It's a wonder that it got worse as 2008 rolled around with Kazuyoshi.. but I'm hoping that 2009 has no more Kazuyoshi or Takahide..

Ayumiko 27th October 2008 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1679557)
Supposedly, GREEN is directed by Kazuyoshi Shimomura and has the same team working on it as Distance Love.

SERIOUSLY??? :thud...where did you get that from? :dead2

These ppl should go away forever: Kazuyoshi Shimomura, Takahide Ishii, Luis Hernandez, and Wong Hoi and his crew. They are the reason why we haven't been getting great pvs. :gnash...There are some great concepts but too bad they're ruined.

freedreamer 27th October 2008 05:47 AM

^haha! sometimes i really wonder...do they even check on people's feedback...but o well..
i really think this MV is gonna be something. The chinese culture thing is quite fresh esp for the western audience right? so, there is bound to be something new for most people in this MV...

about Days, i really hope she is making a "STEP you/is this LOVE?"-esque single. One upbeat, One dark. same as with fairyland c/w alterna...

Ayu's "kakoii" is somewhat different rite? She could describe Marionette as Kakoii the other time..and she probably meant GREEN? then again, there is the choreography..
so i hope her Kakoii this time is for a cool "Startin' or until that Day..."-like kinda song...

(she still owes us a summer song LOl)

bluegie 27th October 2008 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1679380)
I agree, I don't know what people mean by "older PVs" when they say they prefer them over the new ones... Because A Song for XX and LOVEppears PVs were... not very good ><; I mean back in the day when you first saw them, maybe... (like when I first saw Fly high I thought it was so fun, not so much now...) but compared to her new ones, I don't think they hold a candle... Sure her new ones aren't perfect, but I do think they're better. And I also think/hope GREEN and Days will be another two great PVs.


I guess if you're more into how it was shot, those PVs would seem better... to be honest, I don't pay much attention to that stuff unless it's hard to not notice how bad/good it is...

To be honest, I'm one of those praising the old pvs over the new ones as well. There are lots of things making the old ones better than the new ones. Yes, the techniques should be better now, and avex should have more money to throw to ayu's pvs. What I think about the new pvs tho...
1) glamorous, glamorous, and glamorous.
2) ayu's overacting.
3) no concept at all.
4) poor directing (yeah we can blame the directors for that).

Technically the old pvs aren't that well made (I watched TO BE pvs a few days ago and found out that the stars in the pv are kinda suck). But the pvs are very close to the song itself, and they actually connected to the lyrical contents deeply. Also, back then ayu wasn't just making herself ONLY glamorous. It's like she had more than one dimension back in the old days. Also, she was much more creative back then. All of her pvs are really well done between LOVEppears --> I am... era. I started feeling her pvs not getting as good as used to be when she released Free & Easy. Also, none of her pvs in RAINBOW are good at all (F&E, Voyage, Real me, RAINBOW). Her pvs got better during Memorial address. Then, her pv were only good between MY STORY --> (m)u era. After that I don't consider her pvs are good at all. I love JEWEL and (Don't) leave me alone, but they can't compared to the old pvs at all.

My personal fav pvs from ayu: LOVE~Destiny~, TO BE, appears, kanariya, vogue-Far away-SEASONS-, M, evolution, Dearest, ourselves, No way to say, Because of you, etc...

SunshineSlayer 27th October 2008 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1679623)
I'm guessing that Ayu is the type of person who doesn't really care if people dislike it... like, as long as she is feeling that it's good [like all the work Kazuyoshi has done since 2008 started]... it's good to her, even when in comparison to her previous works, they're not at all at the same level..

It's a wonder that it got worse as 2008 rolled around with Kazuyoshi.. but I'm hoping that 2009 has no more Kazuyoshi or Takahide..

I don't know, for me it's hard to believe that someone would love, say for example, Kouki Tange's work, but then still feel that stuff like glitter/fated is just as good. :shrug. Sometimes I do wonder if it's a case of someone gets too famous and then suddenly they get locked into a pattern and they get surrounded by "yes men" that tell them no matter what they do it's amazing, brilliant, etc etc so that then they eventually start to lose the perspective of what in their career was actually the amazing, brilliant stuff and they themselves can no longer tell the difference. Anyone have any idea what I'm saying? :)


Bluegie: You had me with you until you said that Ayu's PVs went downhill after I am... :) Really? You said that Free and Easy and Rainbow are bad, but I think those are two of her best. Usually you don't find too many negative opinions about those two pvs.

Ayumiko 27th October 2008 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 1679633)
All of her pvs are really well done between LOVEppears --> I am... era. I started feeling her pvs not getting as good as used to be when she released Free & Easy. Also, none of her pvs in RAINBOW are good at all (F&E, Voyage, Real me, RAINBOW). Her pvs got better during Memorial address. Then, her pv were only good between MY STORY --> (m)u era. After that I don't consider her pvs are good at all. I love JEWEL and (Don't) leave me alone, but they can't compared to the old pvs at all.

I would die for another RAINBOW pv. Come to think of it, its not like ayu stopped using the ppl we like. She's just using them for something else that we don't care as much. Leslie kee did photos for cdl 07-08...and wataru Takeshi did asia tour 07 taskinst video (and possibly asia tour 08 as well) and decision pv.

jbrat2219 27th October 2008 06:10 AM

I dunno I thought RAINBOW was pretty darn good... one of the better ones I think. The concept in it was clear, it was visually appealing, great location (her own country!!! lol) and she looked great... Maybe I just don't see the concepts in her old PVs as clearly (some I do, but most I don't...) I dunno. But I don't think it's fair to say her new PVs have NO concept at all. I think it's just presented in a different way. But people can not see it maybe because of all the glam?

I think new or old, she has some good ones, bad ones and weird ones hahaha

Luv ~Venus~ 27th October 2008 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1678550)
I disagree as well. And unlike Hikki who seems to dislike spending the money on her PVs even though she is loaded, Ayu is still trying to write history and put her money to use.

Spoiler:
Exactly why should she spend her own money on her own pvs when it's her record company's job to pay the director? =/ Hikki didn't pay Kazzy to make her videos, EMI I did. Can you please give me proof that Ayu pay for her own pvs? =/

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Originally Posted by ayujarl (Post 1678589)
washing dishes to make a PV, I don't like that idea on Ayu. don't think it worked that well on Utada either. :o

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Originally Posted by pommy408 (Post 1678604)
:thud...washing dishes is of course absolutely much better than seeing someone on beautiful beaches and the blue sky...:rolleyes

Spoiler:
The only reason why Hikari was filmed the way it was was because the original director wasn't able to film his idea of the pv in time, so they got Kazzy, who was very busy at the time, and he just put something together in order to promote Hikari in time of its release. Even though it might not have seem like there was no symbolism behind it, there was....but I'll leave if it up to you to figure it out. :rolleyes

And lulz, if my memory serves me correctly, Hikki has pv that shows beautiful beaches and the blue sky. It's called Deep River.

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Originally Posted by Keiichi_JPU (Post 1678701)
@baby_ayumi: you really think Hikari impresses more people than Fairyland? As a huge Hikki fan myself, I think I'm safe to say Hikari is nothing (PV wise) compared to Fairyland. Of course, it's your opinion that Hikari is better, and I respect that. But I think you have to admit more people will think Fairyland is better.

Spoiler:
I have to agree. I didn't like the Hikari pv too much either but song-wise, Hikari owns fairyland anyday. :P

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Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1678705)
Sorry but Hikki's known for her bad PVs. wtf is traveling about? JEWEL, Marionette, etc. etc. own those clips ANY day.

Ayu's high budget PVs DO tend to turn out the best IMO. Otherwise where does the money go?

Spoiler:
Your comment sounds so biased now. LOL, you say that Hikki's known for her bad pvs yet you just listed some of the well-known bad ayu pvs. I'm sorry but I'm glad that you aren't a Hikki fan because any hikki fan knows that Traveling owns Jewel and Marionette...and a few more of ayu's pvs. :bchuck

Erm, why would you say her high budgeted pvs turn out to be her best but then say otherwise where does the money go? :confused Those two don't connect at all. The money goes to the director and the staff members in order to film the pv. That's where it goes. :o

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Originally Posted by tourniquet (Post 1678762)
omg, how can someone seriously be so ignorant. look at the songtext of traveling and you understand, and even without, the PV is very fitting to the song name. what the hell is JEWEL about? about ayu sitting in bling bling? ayu understands to hide her messages in nonsensical PVs which show of her beauty but nothing else usually. lately, I was especially disappointed by Together When...'s PV. omg, poor ayu, crying again fake tears. seen that before.

but hikki's PVs lately suck too. but at least she has some really artistic **** like traveling, SAKURA Drops, Deep River, Keep Tryin' and Passion. I love how fitting they are to her music.

Spoiler:
Thank you. What I don't get is how 1 Love connect to her pole dancing on stage and the other people in the pv? :confused

I have to agree that Hikki's pvs have been bad lately too. FOL, K&C, and BW pvs were a great disappointment. :cry I can't even give an excuse as to why she didn't film a proper pv for the three. :no (although for BW/K&C, I read that she wanted people to focus more on eva so they made a eva-theme pv for the two songs.)

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 1678806)
Out of all the pv you mention, I think Marionette is the one with least meaning, yet you wanna say its the best? I'm so confused at what kind of pv you like.

I think maybe you gotta re-think about it..
I find a lot of the times Utada Hikaru has really bad pvs.
Much worse than Ayumi. (like Heart Station? Prisoner of Love? ._.); )

Spoiler:
Hikki's recent pvs aren't any worst than ayumi's recent pvs. They both have been lacking in that area. glitter/fated was a yawn, talkin' 2 myself was great at first but I hardly find it watchable anymore, and Together When... was okay but again it's hardly watchable. Imo, the songs are better than pvs.

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Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1678848)
Ignorant..because I don't like Hikki's PV? While you don't like Ayu's PVs because you can't understand the symbolism, and just call it diva-ish and looking pretty? Hmmm ok! lol~
With "what's it about?" I didn't mean it literally, but as a figure of speech like "why is it so messed up/freaky/ugly?". But still, not understanding an PV, I'd hardly call that ignorant. XD

Most of Hikki's PVs just give the impression that they lacked skill with making it and they just threw it into "LOLZ lets make it look all weird and messed up and call it artistic! Let's put a lot of people in a train thingie with weird colors and costumes!". She should'a let someone else do the PVs than her "awesome" ex. But then again I haven't seen ALL her PVs. I do really like the Passion PV and Keep Tryin' is kinda cute, though.

Spoiler:
It has nothing to do you with you liking her pvs, it's the fact that you asked what Traveling about when you saw the pv which it clearly justified the meaning of the song and the title. :rolleyes You were very ignorant (or silly rather) for asking that question. While you don't like Hikki's PVs because you can't understand the symbolism, and just call it boring and lame? Hmmm ok! lol~ (:dead2)

ROFL @ she should'a let someone do her pvs than her "awesome" ex comment. Wow, you have no idea what the hell your talking about. Your whole statement is clearly BIASED especially since you haven't seen all of her pvs but yet saying someone else should do her pvs. I'm not even taking your comments seriously anymore....not that I have in the first place. Do me a favor and never become a Hikki fan. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by kumikomishitate (Post 1678877)
I don't understand why fans of Ayumi or Hikki hate each other so much. They are both good artists and don't deserve any of this bashing. And for Christ's sake, don't get so hyped up when somebody doesn't worship Ayu. .___. Some "I don't agree because so and so" is perfectly fine but what's up with the threats of banning?

Spoiler:
Because of A Best vs Distance. lol j/k Seriously, I don't know why either. baby_ayumi didn't say anything that offensive at all IMO but she shouldn't have gotten bashed for her comments especially by the biased ones. =/

As for the banning comment, they think baby ayumi is baby utada or another banned member who made an account to troll. I don't see how they came with that theory just because she said a remark that some them didn't like. =/

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 1679176)
Word to the wise for everyone after reading the last two pages. Stop feeding the troll and it will starve. Trolls get enjoyment out of people responding to their posts, because that means they've caused panic and you've let them win. baby ayumi/Luv/ashohee/DDD and all that crowd will get bored of bashing Ayu if we stop listening.

Spoiler:
ROFL

When did I become a troll? XD Please tell me why I'm a troll? I need proof other than I disagree with a lot of what some fans say. :tipsy

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Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1679306)
But Luv~Venus is a troll, too?

Spoiler:
I'm not a troll. Grace is the troll.

SunshineSlayer 27th October 2008 06:24 AM

^^ lol. Ok guys, back in your corners. No one is a troll, least of all Luv_Venus. Ayumi is great. Utada is great. Everyone is great, but everyone is different.

SURREAL__RAINBOW 27th October 2008 06:34 AM

wow

troll?? lol


no one is a troll!!!
xDD

jbrat2219 27th October 2008 06:40 AM

I guess everyone has different standards to what makes a good PV! I'm certainly finding that compared to many people here, my standards are low xD; (especially if many would agree Ayu's recent PVs are bad.) To each his own opinion I guess. But I kind of have a feeling GREEN will blow everyone away. At least that's what I'm hoping... And hopefully Days too!


*edit*

Sorry to spin slightly off topic, but...
Has anyone noticed one of the tags to this thread is "so wet so tight".... <.<;...

Max_ZZZ 27th October 2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1679651)
^^ lol. Ok guys, back in your corners. No one is a troll, least of all Luv_Venus. Ayumi is great. Utada is great. Everyone is great, but everyone is different.

LOL thats the best "end the fighting comment" ever.
everyone is the best, lets all be friends haha
XD

SURREAL__RAINBOW 27th October 2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Max_ZZZ (Post 1679673)
LOL thats the best "end the fighting comment" ever.
everyone is the best, lets all be friends haha
XD

true

we all should share our way of thinking, and not attacking other people or artists

I used to talk bad about other artists, but I learned lol

so I'm good now

^^

Luv ~Venus~ 27th October 2008 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1679672)
Sorry to spin slightly off topic, but...
Has anyone noticed one of the tags to this thread is "so wet so tight".... <.<;...

:roflmao

OMG, gross! :laugh

jbrat2219 27th October 2008 07:06 AM

^ Isn't it!?

I wonder if Rody! did it on purpose xD;

pommy48 27th October 2008 07:10 AM

um ew..who put that tag there?
ok i just got the green day joke XD

reixminako 27th October 2008 07:15 AM

What I'm seeing on this forum is a lot of people who just don't care about lyrics and music as much as image. Who cares if the pv isn't spectacular? Who cares if the cd doesn't get the #1 position? Who cares? What I really care about is the music, the lyrics and the emotion and hard work put into those things. I see that a lot of people here don't even understand basic lyrics and don't really pay attention to the meaning of the music and the meaning of much else. There are so many people obsessed with sales and image that they've all forgotten how to listen to and appreciate a damn good song. I think that's pretty tragic.

WillofDusk 27th October 2008 07:25 AM

Im the kind of person who don't take lyrics seriously but I have to say ayu's lyrics are pretty deep and emotional.

Still, I don't pay much attention in the lyrics but the music and vocal themselves. I think Ayu's music is getting much better and better.

About the image. She never fails me. She has both musical, conceptual and artistic PVs. You just need to take the good things in and just stop all the complaints. As if Ayu is going to listen to you all anyway.



I wonder when we will get a preview for days.

SunshineSlayer 27th October 2008 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by reixminako (Post 1679711)
What I'm seeing on this forum is a lot of people who just don't care about lyrics and music as much as image. Who cares if the pv isn't spectacular? Who cares if the cd doesn't get the #1 position? Who cares? What I really care about is the music, the lyrics and the emotion and hard work put into those things. I see that a lot of people here don't even understand basic lyrics and don't really pay attention to the meaning of the music and the meaning of much else. There are so many people obsessed with sales and image that they've all forgotten how to listen to and appreciate a damn good song. I think that's pretty tragic.

How does caring about the PVs = not caring about the music and lyrics? In fact most people would argue the opposite that these days the PVs focus too much on a glamorous image and not enough on content...

The fact is that a big part of Ayumi's career has been that she is known for having excellent PVs that really drive home the message of a deeper meaning to the song. Ayumi is not known and revered for having average PVs, but amazing ones.


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