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I find this conversation interesting because, you know, it's not all about just a-nation.
It really comes down to Ayu's evolution as an artist, a person, and a product, and the relationship between the three, and how it affects her work. And imo, the lines between all those have never been more ambiguous than now, ESPECIALLY when everything she does is so public, and all her feelings are so public. One day, all fans (like us) have to decide what their relationship with their artist is, and work hard to better understand that relationship. I think it's very interesting to see all the different reasons why people love Ayu, which parts of her work, image and personality they love, and what things they expect from someone they look up to so much. It's a part of the true relationship between the artist and their audience. The psychology of art is mesmerizing. |
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Ayu has built a product and she of all people should know what is expected of her. You can't just dismiss the fans and their expectations (so long as they aren't outrageous). Look at Shiina Ringo, the fans asked her not to write any new songs on the new Tokyo Jihen album, and she complied (and the album sucked as a result) but that kind of receptiveness to fans isn't something to be taken lightly. I'm not really sure why this guy had to sing every single song; its almost like a "take your child to work day" gone wrong. As an avid concert goer, I know for sure that if I went to a bad show, an expensive bad show, it would definitely influence how loyally I would support that artist/band in the future. This seems like a costly move on her part. |
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If I was at home back in Canada, I could care less what she sings at a-nation - I'm not there at the concert. I can just forward all his parts (which seems like it's pretty much all of it). |
What is with the hate towards this set list? Seriously... It's childish. =__=; Sure, it's not up to her usual par, but it's not disappointing either. She's just broadening her horizons and I give her kudos for doing that! :thumbsup
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I think more than anything, the disappointment is over the fact that Urata is heavily featured than the setlist being subpar. I'm sure people would not be as disappointed if a few songs were switched out (the duet songs + WOW WAR TONIGHT) and if it were simply Ayu. It'd just be business as usual with "Oh, that's how a-nation is this year." or something.
I personally feel like she's been upping her game with every a-nation since around '04 with maybe '07 as a sole exception. I want to see this before I make any judgments about the show. |
I'm not sure why everyone is so upset over this. So Urata is featured, big deal? This is definitely a case of making a molehill into a mountain, so to speak.
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Next thing you know Urata is going to be all over her next album..... oh shi*
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I really love this setlist. I also love Urata & AAA, so for me it's a dream come true :luv2
I've been an Ayu fan since 2007 and I've never hated anything what she has done so far... (the collab. with Naoya, boring songs, overuse of B&G at every concert, Sunrise-Sunset, marriage with Manny etc. ) I really don't understand the hate :no :shrug (yes-yes, I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion :) ) I just accept and love Ayu the way she is. There is nothing I'd change about her (music-wise and person-wise) 'cause then she wouldn't be the Ayumi Hamasaki I love, respect and admire. :angel Peace!! |
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浜崎あゆみ×URATA NAOYA 16 songs, all featuring URATA NAOYA Comes with 15 PV's featuring URATA NAOYA All 5 editions feature URATA NAOYA USB edition comes with USB designed by URATA NAOYA Photobook concept thought of by URATA NAOYA In stores, soon." Sounds like it could happen. Minus the 15 PV's XD |
we can all laugh here but over there for whoever paid their ticket is not so fun.
I would be sad to pay not such a cheap ticket to see ayu and see there ayu singing with naoya every song. I mean, lets be real. I just hope she wont lose more japanaese fans over this. its such an unresponsible behavior. |
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This is the same thing with Ayu. A lot of people just buy everything because it has the name "Hamasaki Ayumi" on it. And when other people can't do the same, and start offering criticism about it, they go berserk. But I think in this context, the thing is that they paid to see AAA in a separate stage, and Hamasaki Ayumi on a separate stage, and not Urata Naoya in both sets. If you think about it, he actually has the most face time in the entire A-Nation concert, which is a bit much. I don't really understand the logic behind featuring him in every song, especially ones that are just Ayu's. Of course, there are AAA fans on this board, but for those AAA fans... imagine those people who don't even know who this guy is, and there are many of them in Japan, and they seem him come on stage and sing with Ayu, which wasn't even advertised... I would be pretty darned pissed. "Who is this guy?" LOL. And I sympathize with those who say "Oh well, it's Ayu so let's watch it anyways." It's loyal, and it's nice, but I can't do that and neither can many other fans... it seems like a waste of my time, since I don't really enjoy his voice. But also know that because she has very little public exposure now, it's kind of disappointing to know that the little public exposure that she does do is something I feel is a waste of time. And that makes me sad, because I want to like it. :( Well, let's see what kind of changes she brings next time. Maybe it will be totally different, with fillers from previous concerts, etc. Will that be better? I don't know... but I feel it might be. Quote:
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I really don't know if it's an avex or Ayu's fault though. But this a-nation turned into a totally mess and that's pretty sad ugh.
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Edit: On a side note, I want to share something that I felt was funny. Some guy wrote in mixi "Wow so many Collabs. I didn't know we spelt Hamasaki Ayumi with the letters Miliyah Kato." LOL. I laughed, not gonna lie. |
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no outfit pictures yet? :P
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Well don't worry about the clothes, she will most likely wear the tour tee the whole set, or some recycle PoM outfit in different colour and tour tee for last 2 songs aka encore. Well done ayu ;)
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I actually really like the setlist minus the cover song - if only the Nao guy had stuck with singing his featured songs instead of all of them. I think a lot of us are just worried how bad he'll butcher some of our favourite Ayu songs :| |
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Almost everything in this thread is negative so his comments are not out of place for once lol.
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are their japanese fans angry with her ??
like 80% of the AHS fans are pissed (including me, XD), but idk about her japanese fans |
The Japanese fans seem to be okay with it, but they are really like "What is Urata-san doing there? Wasn't performing with AAA enough?" about the collaboration.
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While it may seem like a waste of money for some, there are tons of fans of various acts who just go to see their favorite. Last year, -tons- of Tohoshinki fans left after they performed because that's all they wanted to see. I sort of expect the same will happen with AKB this year. I can't see the majority of their fans being there the whole time, but we'll see haha.
A lot of Ayu fans show up only later in the day because they don't care about the other acts. Sure they pay the ticket price for the entire show, but if you have no interest in the other acts there's no point in going for the entire thing. Japan is crazy hot in the summer and there's like no shade at a-nation so if you aren't having fun it would be pretty miserable haha. And if it's raining it'll be worse... So there are certainly many people who go just to see one main act. Personally, I listen to almost all the artists and I enjoy seeing the show from the beginning, so that's what saves Ayu and friends for me. :) ^ Yeah, the song selection isn't really a problem with Japanese fans. They feel that Naoya already had his time slot with AAA, so why can't Ayu have hers by herself. It's a valid point haha. |
Have there been any reports of her costumes?
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Oh, I can ask someone who went... let's see~
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Avex try real hard to promote Naoya..i think that's the reason
i need to watch it..before judge it... |
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And yes, I feel really disappointed :/ |
Dream On!Sunrise!WHY!!
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Her tweet about her blog post sounded very... (how do I say this?) timid, remorseful, a bit depressed/put out?
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Oh God lol Google translator sucks, but she made the longest TA post ever D: and she seems very serious and maybe upset/angry??
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Well I think...I THINK she just might be a little pissed that people are telling her all kinds of crap on twitter and criticizing the Nao guy.
Which...damn people. Save your negativity for AHS okay? Gosh. |
Well the setlist is different. Wasn't expecting that. I think this is one of those things where it was better if you were there but the setlist is kind of meh. Maybe I'll like it once it's on DVD. Ayumi Hamasaki featuring Urata Naoya.
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I really dont care what she performs or who she performs with, as long as she is happy doing it.
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Actually I'm looking forward to the collaboration, it will be fun to see the 2 of them together, it's not often to see Ayu truly smiling on stage. Sometimes when I watch her lives, I feel that she's smiling because she had go smile, but when Ayu is around with her friends, she had a true smile.
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I don't mind other ppl onstage with ayu 2gether. But I think it might feel weird just to hear other ppl singing ayu's song together with her =.=" and not to mention a guy singing it. Definately weird! So I can understand how some of those rage came about.
Collaboration : Yes. Singing ayu's song : ermm I guess 1 or 2 song is ok... or if you can sing it well... But I still prefer ayu singing her own song herself. ^^ Afterall, ayu's song is written by herself and I dont think anyone else can sing it better than her in any way. |
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Oh okay. I can handle that.
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i think the reason the criticism was taken as such a big deal to her this time was because people were delivering their opinions in the wrong way. there's a way to deliver your opinion and a way not to. i would def say maikaru's elaboration on his opinion is the way to do it, vs aimless hate at Nao/JUNO or Ayu.
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But this is not how Ayu runs her career... She usually releases what she feels like to, what she feels she should release to better fits the moment in her life, in her career and in her country... And even if she does have her formulaic releases, mostly a summer track and a winter track every year, her albums and concerts tend to have a closed concept, where even if one or another detail could easily fit more than one era, the whole thing is different from the rest.. And this is something she would never be able to do, if she was trying to satisfy her consumers by basing her works on formulas, instead of basing her works on a high quality standart, that is what she tries to do.. Again, I'm not saying everyone should love everything she does, I myself hate RnRC and Secret for example, and I'm not saying she should tolerate is just because it's Ayu... But really... having this amount of disappointment because of a 6 tracks setlist from a summer festival? Saying she should be trying to please us cuz we consume her work? There's no artist in the world that can live totally alienated from their public, but at the time an artist starts focusing their whole career into pleasing this public by releasing exactly what they think the artist should, the thing that made this artist being interesting in the first place is killed. Some (if not most) of Ayu most celebrated works where unexpected to her fanbase and general public alike. And just to finish my big post :P Considering how this year tour worked, there's a big chance that the a-nation setlist will not be the same at every date, maybe not even her collab... and that would be really interesting to see... |
^ It's not the set list people are disappointed at, nor is it the Naoya collabs. It's the fact he was in her solo songs and this wasn't advertised in advanced. I know it doesn't really matter to those of us not going, but it's still a huge disappointment when we view a-nation as another chance to see Ayumi Hamsaki performing. Further added to this disappointment - for myself anyway - was Ayu's "people would hate it anyway" mentality, that made me feel like she was doing it for selfish reasons, not for her fans and to bring them enjoyment with her performance. Her newest blog post rectifies this with her new stance on the (non rude) criticisms.
When I dislike an album, it's fine. With the singles and promo PV's I have materials to judge if I want to buy or not. They work as the advertisement for the changes since the previous album. For example, the change in formula for NEXT LEVEL was seen in Sparkle and the style of the covers. None of us have a problem with her changing and evolving, there are many other factors in the reaction to this a-nation. |
With all this backlash, I sort of fear for how the mini-album will fare on the charts lol
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If another major competitor comes up on the same day Ayu's releasing, there could be a possibility that Ayu might not get #1, and the decline could start here...
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^Yeah, once she doesn't hit 1 on the album charts, her career will most likelly die... That's why she retired after Guilty :P
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i don't care if Ayu is #1. as long as she continues making music and enjoys doing so, i'll continue listening. :D
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But I digress. I think Ayu understands what's going on from her TA diary. I'm not saying for people to attack her, of course not. It's just constructive when we offer sane and valid criticism of her work, so she can also grow and evolve as an artist. I love when she does things that she loves, because it usually turns out really grand. But sometimes it doesn't work, because as she said herself, she's not perfect. And let's tell her when it's not working, because she needs it. But let's do it in a way that will not create this chaos and crisis over a 6 song setlist. But even though it's only a 6 song setlist, when Ayumi Hamasaki doesn't do many public appearances, just her tours, then her performance at A-nation becomes more important to her fans than it might actually be. |
*Comes out shyly like a little girl* Uum, sorry that I'm existing, but am I the only one who actually loves the set ayu is using in a-nation, and also likes the idea of ayu feat. Nao? >///<
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She shouldn't stop it just cuz it had some bad feedback, cuz if she does so, she will not give this idea a real chance to work... Again, I'm not really happy about this way she is performing, but if she felt like trying it, she should try it until she feels like it totally worked or totally failed... |
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It may not be the best a-nation ever (after all, the best a-nation will ALWAYS be a-nation 05 :D),but I love the idea,and how Ayu surprises us lately ! |
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Oh, I have a shameful confession to make too...I'm also a fan of AAA, you know, that band in which [evil] Nao is in, will it mean that you don't want to be my friends? :,o *Asking with a little girl voice* |
I don't think that you need to be ashamed about artists you like, at all. :)
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I don't get why you guys are freaking out...you're not going to a-nation and you'll probably download it, watch it once and forget about it anyway.
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^ mte. Does it usually take this long for a-nation set photos to be released? :/
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She sounds really stressed out in her new TA post. I wish she would put the mini-album on hold, collect herself (she's been working non-stop her entire career for God's sake), spend some time with her husband, and come out with a brand new full length album whenever she's ready. She seems like she's ready to burn out. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.
I've always thought that in the latter half of her career, she's started to surround herself with "yesmen" or people that are simply unwilling to provide any criticism to her so they can keep their jobs, they're intimidated by her.. or whatever the case may be. She also seems like she is too good of friends with her staff. This is not good. She needs to separate her work and her friends. At the same time, I know it's not particularly easy to go out and make friends when you're Ayumi Hamasaki. I know she views Nao as a friend in the industry, and that's fine. (The following is an opinion). However, he is a mediocre singer and a mediocre performer with little stage presence and no star power, moreso when he's next to Ayumi Hamasaki. Also growing tired of all the hokey sentimental "we're all under the sky" stuff she seems to always be going on about nowadays. C'mon Ayu, just focus on making good art. I think that Ayu has a very strong work ethic, but I disagree that she is a perfectionist. She's released some songs in the past five years that could've been more polished/worked on more imo. Some songs shouldn't have even made her albums. God knows I'll always love Ayu and her music will always hold a special place in my heart, so I hope no one continues to tell me WHEN and HOW I should criticize her. It's tough love man, some fans get really passionate and are going to call it as they see it. |
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^ I hope so! I'm really interested to see how all this went down, even if it's only in photos.
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I think some fans just say she is "less artistic" or "non-perfectionist" simply because they don't like her actual works... I don't think her idea to put Nao everywhere at a-nation is superb, but it's a new thing, it's good.
I like Ayu because she has the power to reinvent herself. Even when she does something that she did before, it's an "ayu-thing" not a "generic jpop-thing". Sometimes she didn't choose the easy way (releasing some music that could appeal to teenagers, for example), but she proved she's able to keep her career doing what she likes and, at the same time, being one of the most proeminent singers of the decade on Japan... Fans always expect the next release will be phenomenal and outstanding, but sometimes the average releases/decisions paves the way to grow. |
^thats a nice post~ :)
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@Andrenekoi totally agree with you. You're last sentence especially should be put in headlines lol |
So what about the people who are going to a-nation? Are we allowed to freak out? :P
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^NO. Gosh.
If you do...make sure Ayu doesn't see so she can go to sleep tonight. |
Hahaha :P
I actually wonder if she'll go along with the same setlist and stuff. I know she said she will, but if she does I'm sure people will still send her messages. Oh well~ If she's going to do stuff people don't want her to do, she has to deal with the consequences and learn to not let them bother her I guess. |
Wow, there are so many people that are unhappy about a-nation this year. I can understand that many people are upset by the fact that naoya was present during ayu's whole set, and even sang in ayu's solo songs, but I don't think it is such a bad thing. Like many others have said, she has done something different this year, and I appreciate her for that. I personally really like naoya, and think that he has a wonderful voice and is a great performer. So I am really looking forward to seeing them on stage together. But I definitely understand people being upset thinking that they were going to one thing, but it ending up being very different from what was expected.
For me the set list is good, but it’s not the best. It’s kind of hard to really judge it since one of the songs hasn’t been released yet, and I really don’t know how well ayu will sound in the cover song, but I think she’ll do a good job! Dream ON: I like the studio version, and love seeing it performed live. It’s just not a song I listen to very often. Medley: To be honest I’m not really a fan of any of these songs, and almost never listen to them. ANother Song: Can’t wait to hear what it sounds like! WOW WAR TONIGHT: I like the version AAA did, and think it will sound really good with ayu singing it. Sunrise: One of my favorite summer songs from ayu. I actually think that naoya would sound great singing in this song!! I really hope we’ll get to see it! July 1st: Also one of my favorite ayu summer songs. It just feels weird that she’s not performing B&G or Audience.. |
Wow wow. I'm so lazy about visiting forums, but when news reached me of fan outcry over in my darker corners of the web I decided to stop by.
I'd be pretty disappointed too if she sang all her songs with someone else, with no solo. It's a pretty surprising decision, even if Avex wanted to heavily promote Naoya, but I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted this just as much as they did. I think the only real mistake here wasn't that she didn't sing any solos, but rather that this was not advertised, so people who paid felt cheated. She never did official collaborations until recently, so if she wants to do something like this once and a while, I don't see what the big deal is if she advertises it. Goodness knows she's pandered enough to the fans and her company over the years to just indulge herself artistically once a while. |
I don't care about the setlist, I can't judge until I see the video, I just want this kakigori she sells, yummy! :heart
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She hasn't said that she's not interested in working anymore. She isn't stressed because of her work, she is stressed because of her fans. I mean, you would be quite sad too, if half of your supporters say that everytyhing you do nowadays is ****, oh, and by the way, you have wrong persons to work with. Wouldn't that let you down a bit? And just say to me, who you would like to stand next to ayu? Who is as superior as her, that all the other artist in the World are worthy to work with her? I'm sure, that some of the fans say that no one is. Because I think, to some, ayu is like a Goddes of some sort. I think that is really insane thought [I'm not saying that you are like that, but I think there are people like that somewhere...] And it's okay that people don't agree. But...I just think that you make some excuses in your post. Like to say that it's not good that she is friends with her staff, or that she is stressed because of her work. At least I don't see that. But I'm not gonna say that you have to believe me. I like Nao [With ayu and with AAA] and I'm really sad that he gets all the hate [and Ayu gets all this hate because she chose Nao], as his supporter, even without ayu, I dunno, but I feel that some people might think that I'm someway hypocritical because I support him..suddenly, it just feels bad to be a fan of AAA as well... Really get over with it, would you? It is just 2 duets and one a-nation show. Why all this massive anger is coming out? I don't like it... |
^couldn't agree more!
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People will say "all she's known is music" so she can't take break and have somewhere to channel her feelings, but other singers manage to do it. They take breaks and find other outlets for their emotions. I never used to advocate her taking a break - especially after adoring Love Songs - but looking back over her work since the 10th Anniversary, I can see why people have been saying she needs one. The way she acted over this, saying she needed to do this a-nation for "fun", it makes it sounds like the rest of her work is tedious. Her not having time to make a worthy a-nation, her really strange reactions to the (non-rude) criticism, and her general "you'd dislike whatever I made attitude" makes it sound like she's aware something hasn't been up to scratch. I really don't know anymore, but then again, I've not known for a long time, and I stopped caring to a certain extent too. |
I wonder if someone really though she would reply the criticism as "Oh, yeah... now I see it, u r totally right! Let's change it!" or something like that...o___O I also wonder if someone would reply to those criticism on the way they to think Ayu should...
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Ayu's not re-inventing herself nearly enough. I just listened to progress and the whole sound and structure of the song is all too familiar. The more songs she releases, the more her discography becomes diluted. I remember a time when songs like fairyland, No way to say, GAME were considered novelty. As time goes on, I feel like these songs begin to lose their worth because she creates so many that sound too much like them. Her composers/arrangers are not evolving her sound at all. Her lyrics are barely evolving (save a few songs, Lady Dynamite/rollin'). Her latest album (although one of my favorites post-(miss)understood) has a handful of songs that sound like MIDI instrumentals. (And please, don't tell me all electronic music sounds like MIDI, because it doesn't) I think it's her most primitive/dated-sounding album after ASFXX, and it came out LAST YEAR. Quote:
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^ I agree with you so much (well, except that I loved Love Songs haha). Especially over Avex promoting through Ayu.
Going into conspiracy levels here, but before Love Songs, TK was working with AAA. It's just coincidence but it's odd. This is totally off topic now, there needs to be a thread in chat like... "you opinion on Ayu's career right now" or something. This isn't even that relevant to a-nation now, a-nation just sparked the discussion of these issues. |
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Really, I just can't understand where you get all of this. Did ayu say that "you did wrong because you hate Nao!" No. Did she say that she isn't excited about her current work? No. Did she say that she doesn't like to be critized, and everyone must stop that. No. She said that she accepts fans opinions, even if they are negative. But the way they say it, and the place where they say it has to change. Also, calling her friend, who is working with her [basically] a ****, just because it's your personal opinion that you don't like him is just really rude and childish. If you wanna say that you don't like him, you can say it more nicely, especially when we are talking about actual person, and ayu's close friend here. Wouldn't you go to the defensive side, if your friend would be as hated as Hitler, just because you are doing a duet? It is very clear to me that many of ayu's fans don't have a skill called constructive critic. Or at least not those who wrote the insulting messages, and comments in Twitter. And really, you wanna give critic in Twitter? Brilliant! You can barely write two full sentences with that thing! And everyone can see too. Nice, I like that. Just accept, that you are really really upset with the current decisions ayu has made. You can say your opinions. But it's her decision to choose what she does. I don't wanna see a day, when she is happily agreeing with everything the upset fans say. Althought I can see, that some of you want it desperately, you can't control her career. I must say, this is the stupidest thing I have seen in ayu fandom to this day. Just...really pathetic. |
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Concerning the latest TA post about this subject, she seemed more offended by people bashing Nao and Juno openly on Twitter, than to the disliking of the concert itself... What is a very good point: People are mostly bashing both guys, there are almost no coments regarding the concert and the music itself, mainly because the songs weren't even release yet, and most people complaining didn't even watch the concert to say if it's bad. I would be as pissed as her if people started using my name to harrass and offend my friends, cuz it's exactly what those people are doing... using their Ayumi fandom as a reason to atack Ayu friends... crazy, hm? Your opinions about how had her music evolved are just that, opinions, not facts or even something all of her fandom agree, so, I will not reply about that... U have the right to think she is on the same place, on the same way I have the right to find both Love Songs and Next Level to be among her best albums, and really love tons of tracks on everything she released after your favorite eras... |
Re-reading the entry again, I can understand why she chose to defend Nao and JUNO. She feels responsible for the personal attacks on them because she chose to collaborate with them. It's not that she's losing her thick skin, but that she wants to defend Nao and JUNO. OK, I see more where she's coming from.
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She's still putting too much unnecessary pressure on herself. Let Nao and JUNO deal with the criticism. It should only make them stronger in the long-run. She's implying that the criticism of Nao and JUNO is baseless, but well... we'll see about that, I suppose. People are too quick to say some fans are just being protective of Ayu and think she's some untouchable goddess who is too good to work with other artists and have these pre-conceived notions about everything. I've heard Dream ON. Honestly, that's all I need to hear to know I don't want her working with Nao, let alone sharing an entire set with him. If she and him end up doing something good, then that's great. But in the meantime, I'm gonna keep my expectations low and complain about him every chance I get, to be honest. And, since she chose to collaborate with him further, she's going to just have to deal with people criticizing him as well. It's as simple as that. |
^I can only wonder how offensive can it be for a professional singer to have they voice called "noise"... I can totally see how can this kind of statement hurt...
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I just don't understand the purpose of the constant collaborating. It seems like it has no artistic value to her, just something she can do to have fun and sing with one of her former dancers/promotion for him. The fans probably feel like this guy is being shoved in their faces. It's frustrating to me, I know that, and apparently lots of others feel the same way for it to come to this point. |
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This happens every year. Ayu does something fans don't like and they act like she's been doing it all her career and will continue to do it for as long as she sings. Why can't some fans just let her have this and move the hell on. If you don't like it, fine. You want to criticize her decision, fine. But don't act like she has to do whatever the hell we want all the time. If you're frustrated about her collaborations you don't have to listen to FIVE, you don't have to go to a-nation and you don't have to pay attention to it. Just wait for something new to come up. |
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Trust me though... if I had a TA account, I'd write to her about it. Most of us only have AHS to voice our opinions, so I don't know why if someone doesn't like something she does it can't be repeatedly discussed and brought up without this kind of "well if you don't like it, move on" kind of attitude. It bothers me that some fans act holier-than-thou because they see Ayu primarily as a human being and not as an entertainer. I choose to see her primarily as an artist/entertainer. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to be forceful about my opinion at all. I realize that any opinion I have is not fact. I expect more people to disagree with me, because I tend to have unpopular opinions, and that's fine. My last thread was closed and I was basically called a troll, an idiot, and not a real fan just because I didn't like Dream ON and decided to make a thread about it. Ouch. Back in the day, there were pointless, rant-like threads like that all the time. If you guys can't handle a thread like that without getting riled up and offended, I'm kinda scared... |
No one is offended by your opinions but if you're going to post "unpopular opinions" as you put it, you're going to get a certain response. And maybe it's your attitude about Ayu that makes your opinions are so unpopular, I don't know. But at any rate, most of us - me included - do not like the fact she decided to collaborate with Naoya for the entire a-nation setlist. It's unexpected and for some it can be frustrating, I get that. But my own frustration comes some fans who treat Ayu like some sort of object who's sole purpose is to do whatever they like. They treat her like a brand and that's why it's so easy for some to compare her to things like Apple products (sorry maikaru, I love you but that's silly in my opinion honey xD lol).
Your previous posts made it seem like you dehumanized Ayu. Like what she's doing is selfish or some kind of promotional machine shoving Naoya down our throats when it is probably something that she wanted to do for fun or something she had to do based on the circumstances. Maybe I misunderstood you. But yeah, I choose to see Ayu as a human being because that is what she is. And she her musical direction is hers not her company's. So even if it upsets me that she's going this route, I know it won't last forever and it's something she enjoys. And after 13 years of excellent music I won't lose my mind over a-nation or the collaborations. |
^ The troubles when an idol becomes an artist...
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This is directed at no one in particular but I will never, EVER, understand how people don't think she continues to grow and experiment. Not with every release, sure (though I think that's a bit much to expect from anyone) but she definitely does. Her last two albums are full of songs that don't sound much like anything she's released before. And the lyrics to Virgin Road...when you consider the last song she wrote for her mum was (to my knowledge) A Song For XX, the amount of personal growth and acceptance between the two songs is amazing to me.
But anyway, this has nothing to do with a-nation XD |
I wonder if ayu will attempt to avoid angering fans to "protect" her "troupe", or will continue doing what she likes and hopes her fans understands her, like her last TA diary entries suggest =\
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Oh well, I guess to each his own. I guess fans who went weren't motivated to take pictures yet lol. No pics, leaks or nothing. Hard to believe this time last year we were all waiting for crossroad!
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if ayu want us to understand her, i guess we should try about that..
what's the most important is that, her own genuine HAPPINESS she feels when she's on the stage with Naoya or with anybody she enjoys working with. can we just grant her one wish? |
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I haven't read all of her TA posts or twitter posts about this, but what I have read (and from what I know of the Japanese language) she is often coming off as petulant. The quote posted earlier in this thread from twitter, when a fan asked her if she was banning people who were criticizing her, actually read more like this: "I haven't banned people, but believe whatever you want to believe." I'm not saying she can't show her true feelings but, she isn't exactly coming off as professional right now. However, if she is prepared to deal with the consequences of that, then it's fine. It's her choice. |
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Don't you wanna see her enjoying the things she does? And @Coelacanth, I must say, although I like Nao, I can respect your opinion not liking him. Because really, I know that it's pointles [and super stupid] to say things like "I like Nao, so you must like him too!" It's not like that. You say you have unpopular opinions. And I can see why. Again, I'm not saying you have to change it, but still. Treating a human being like an merely object or just like a some kind of machine, let's say iPod which only purpose is really just entertain you, is kinda rude. Just like jbrat said. And for that reason, I'm not gonna respect that part of your opinion, sorry. And also, in the past, ayu said, that she feels like an object. That she should be treated like a brand. But nowadays, it seems that she has gotten over that feeling. Isn't it great? Shouldn't we all feel happy for her, because she actually feels like she is just human being? And if she is happy, happier than she has ever been with her current decisions, should we at least try to understand her? All of us must not agree with it, but just understand. |
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Some people just have the need to criticize something they don't like that much a thousand times more than the things they really like. And wow, what if whoever has any problems with ayu and her decisions just tell her directly instead of just whinging about it in here, many of us don't care what you think now, because she already gave an explanation about it. Wanna take it further? Just go on Twitter, enough said. |
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On a slightly different note, sometimes "mistakes" or huge flaws draw a lot of attention, even from outside the fandom, so this might work well for her in the long run. Or it might be a crippling blow. :shrug |
I love AYu no matter what
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The problem isn't Twitter, it's people and how they have an emotional breakdown when they don't like something and they say horrible things without even thinking. This didn't just happen in Twitter, but also through TA, and through many other places. And I'm sure many weren't fully satisfied with her message, and they kept on bugging her about it, through TA or wherever, but she said what she had to say, if you still don't like it... :shrug deal with it I guess? It isn't the end of the World lol :) |
lol whatever you guys do, just always remember that, Ayu has her bubble and circle of people around her that she likes to work with. She always likes to be positive about her work, and believe that everything is okay in the garden, even when people are telling her to her face that it isnt....
So...if you want her to be happy, you'll save your negativity for here, and not tell Ayu ;P Because honestly, she DOES NOT like it. And you can believe whatever she says about " accepting criticism"...but...uh...yeah :rolleyes And sure, she'll listen to you, but it won't matter. She'll continue to do things her way, just like she has her entire life, because she's an extremely headstrong person. It's just one of her character traits that produces both good and bad results. who knows, maybe she needs more people yelling at her, to actually change...but it's always been my philosophy to just, keep her happy, and not really tell her the truth. |
Ehh I don't agree with everything you said, it sounds a bit too patronizing, "let's put her in a box" kinda thing.
She has the right to know and get some feedback from her work. She's been around for way too long to not now how it feels to be criticized, but yeah, criticism does not feel good to anybody. I also think that being a "headstrong person" is part of the culture. And who wouldn't feel positive about their work?? You have to be proud of what you do, no matter what other people think :shrug If she wasn't positive about her work I don't think I would appreciate her as much as I do. Interesting though to see how we all see her and think of her, because anyway we are not her personal psychologist or therapist to know how she really is. |
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