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hahaha.... it's a joke about Jolin Tsai=_= |
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Jolin is the origin of this universe ---of coz sarcasm
coz ayu didn't worship Jolin so she flopped lol |
Foyuki so how much again sold for the 1st day?
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but in the real life u also need to do that how bout if it's happened to ur beloved namie u as a namie fans will get insulted either |
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^ oricon didn't announce it at all ... |
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Well, my point wasn't to say how awesome is Ayu, obviously everybody has an opinion, people like these songs or those songs, this album more than that one, they dislike this single and love the other one. It's fine to express an opinion, it's fine to express that you don't like something about her.
But this is one thing, and another say how ****** is Ayu. It's obvious that you don't like her anymore. Then If you have that opinion, you can express it somewhere else where is not a forum DEDICATED to Ayu. I don't see the point in doing it here and giving such stupid arguments... |
How big is Seiko Matsuda in Japan?? Which are her evolution, Dearest, M...??
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It isn't something like this?
5th Day Position: #6 Sales: x Total Sales: 21,851 (3rd & 4th days sales) + x (5th day) + x (1st day) + x (2nd day) I swear I still don't understand the info -/////////- GOMEN!! I'm stupid. |
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first time knowing ayu's release doesn't have sales announced on 1st day, is it because of releasing it on saturday? |
"3rd" day (7th december)is not the 1st day? Seriously... it's odd for me.
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Well, it's the 3rd day of the Oricon week, I guess? But the CD wasn't in stores until then so... I don't know what happened with that. Anyway, this is a bit of an odd sales pattern for Ayu even with the Maro thing going on. We'll see when sales are announced just what 'happened', I guess?
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I thought oricon only did sales for the first 3 for daily?
THis is nothing new... the reason why ayumi has no sales for Day 1 and Day 2 is because it wasnt released till friday. Day 3... man people, calm down. |
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As much as I love namie, I just CAN'T with that statement coming from a namie fan. I mean, I love namie cuz she knows how to ride a beat in a song and can dance up a storm. But she looks deader than petrifaction half the time. But I'm not talking about sales. We all know that namie is a weave snatcher... Who's boring with hot beats. |
6th day again is #10 o.o
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2012-12-09/more/2/ |
i wonder if it will reach at least 50k...............
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We dont have full numbers for the week yet, but it should by the 2nd full week... which would be in the oricon third week
You know.. with album sales SO front loaded on opening day I wonder if this mini will pick up on the first day of the new releases? |
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@orbitalaspect Once you say Ayu is aging like Seiko u lost it. She may be aging like Seiko sales-wise, but she is far from maintaining the same image since the 90's, and even when she goes kawaii, she perverts it by wearing her most revealing outfits, using it on a more fetish-like way. Comparing: You lost it once you said she is releasing the same kind of music over and over again too. The stuff she released from 98~2001, and then from 2002~2005, 2006~2008, 2009~2011 are very different, even if she had similar tracks (usually summerish, winterish and concert enders) here and there. She is always adding new aesthetics to her song and very few tracks on her discography were released sounding dated... a lot of them don't sound dated even today. And sorry, but comparing her to Namie creative-wise is just... meh. 90% of Namie's concerts are pretty much interchangeable, 95% of her videos are pretty much interchangeable too. She also goes safe a lot more than Ayumi music wise, being it either 90's Eurodance, 00s hip-pop or 10's Electropop. She have some AMAZING experiementing moments here and there, mostly between Play and Uncontrolable singles, but most of the time she just delivers what is expected for her to release. The thing is... most of the time Ayu's Western fanbase (AHS?) starts *****ing a lot about her, she usually is going through some big image/style/sound change... And this is what is happening now. |
Namie is so basic, it's an insult to ayu to compare the two.
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Just imagine if the mini did not pass 50k.
2nd meltdown of the year/1st of the next year. ~AHS A Meltdown is All~ I hope it gets gold tbh. It deserves it. |
[QUOTE=she always choose songs that are easy to sing and sounded flat through out...[QUTE
I agree with you even though voyage and forgiveness are really hard to sing but the others are kind of easy. |
im pretty sure the mini will get gold because its for shipments.
avex most likely will ship the same amount. |
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Honestly with every new release, i'm expecting lower sales.
Poor again, is a good album anyway |
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Why can't she stop this whole thing, get her **** together and release a solid studio album with a good concept? T__T
And also promote it properly, at this point the general public doesn't even know that she's still alive. |
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7 - ● again 34,402 34,402 12/12/8 AVT
浜崎あゆみ 7 1 1st Week Position: #7 Official Total Sales: 34,402 |
disappointing =(( just cant believe this is an ayu release.... take me back to 2003 =(
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If A BEST 3 doesn't bring her back to the game! i'll accept that she's over!~~!
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It isn't getting any promotion at all, maybe like 1 truck going around shibuya which I've seen twice in a week, and I'm in Shibuya almost every day :shrug
And I went to Tower Records again today and there were only 2 copies of again, as in they only put 2 for display :/ And it was hard to find too lol Totally opposite to YUI and flumpool who are pretty much everywhere. |
SAD :thud
But as some of you said, if Ayu doesn't care about the sale, why should I care... |
Ouch...
My copy should be arriving today I'm one of 34k people. |
I bought the CD+DVD today. I wish again and LOVE were the part of one regular album. This album I would like way more than all her recent albums like PQ, LS and etc.
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I think making A BEST 3 as part of this 5 release(s) promotion would just about seal the deal on her career and honestly I feel like nobody would buy even that.
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With how many fans quit buying her products after seeing the publicity for AGAIN I don't think any release is going to salvage what that poorly planned strategy has cost her.
If her management could have left well enough alone the last 2 years and let her sell products with talent and not publicity stunts, she would have been doing great. |
Predicting about A BEST 3 sales now is TOO soon! i mean everyone thought that AC'd flop hard but it turned out to sell even better than A BEST 2! btw, i want A BEST 3 to be released on April 8th!
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Death if this album doesn't sell more than Angela Aki's Life album.
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Guys, this week was pretty much a half week for again...
this is normal. |
Even when you consider the half week sales are still lower then usual. That excuse is sort of valid for the first week but when the mini barely ends up selling 55-65k in total sales that doesn't really apply there.
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^ just going by the tend it could have easily hit 60K for the week.
also this is just the first half week for the mini, we dont know the final says yet. |
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^ also where did you get your numbers since oricon hasn't posted their official week yet?
By the way, again hit number 6 in the charts for Monday, so it went UP 4 slots. |
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Now I have to say this: is anybody willing to buy ALL FIVE of the five-release collection? I think some aren't buying it... Also consider the fact that this was released LATER than EXILE, YUI...you should understand that. Maybe the Ayu-Maro relationship (as someone may have said it earlier) also had an impact in sales. Otherwise, I don't care. (But especially for me I've been listening more to Sayuri Sugawara and Yanawaraba; it seems some of Ayumi Hamasaki's new songs are a bit uncomfortable for me...but to be honest, that's my point of view.) |
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^^ im still doing it.
I have been happy with the past 2 and Im sure ill be happy with the classical album as well. |
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Ayu's songs aren't the hardest to sing on the industry, but they are far from being the easiest too... Actually, by the average jpop standart they can be a pain to sing... and this is not a matter of opinion, this is a matter of the average singer voice ability and song composition. |
this might be a good thing that this mini album is doing bad, it just means the next might have better pvs and songs.
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I think by the time A SUMMER BEST was released, Ayu's image to the public was already clean after the divorce scandal. But with this new scandal (which a japanese friend told me is even worse), I'm afraid she will have to wait some months (even a year) so that people can forgive her and buy her music again.
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LOVE 1st Day Position: #3 Sales: 21,743 2nd Day Position: #3 Sales: 16,629 Total Sales: 38,372 again 1st Day Position: #4 Sales: 9,087 2nd Day Position: #2 Sales: 12,764 Total Sales: 21,851 Even the argument on "people are confused by the release date" is invalid. |
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Sad but true :( |
Her sales are pretty laughable.
But I don't care that much. They don't matter....in the grand scheme of things. Her career might be in the toilet...but a lot of people's are. They won't kill her, so. Japan, live with the monster you created. You know who makes good music. Familjen :yes |
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educate them! I'll love this chick no matter what though. Even if she turns into Ami Flopzuki (as suggested on ATRL). Tbh I figured that ASB was the beginning of the end. Even wake my up & snowy kiss may not help this mini.. |
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really im gonna wait and see what happens next week...
there is a reason why cd's are so heavily front loaded... its because the majority of people buy them on the first day... it could be the fact that people were not confused, but simply didnt want to make two trips? not saying this is true, but just saying its a possibility for some people. |
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they have a minuscule jpop section, and they've been talking about Ayu lately. |
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^ Ami is a fantastic flop :P
She's so delightful ... I'm done with the puns |
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I find it bizarre that this thing with Maro is even considered a scandal. Hate to think what Japan would think of the typical tabloid headlines in the UK :laugh Pretty sure cost in general is a reason too. A lot of fans might not be able to afford a mini-album every month, especially with it coming up to Christmas. |
It still sold a lot less than LOVE. I mean, that is a huge drop compared to LOVE's first week sales. Especially for a mini that should be considered a better value for your money!
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You can make all the excuses you want for everything else, but the reason the japanese fans point to is "MARO" plain and simple. Many I'm sure noticed the setup where Ayu+Maro is the promotion that so many here say is so lacking.
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You know, I just hear you ***** ***** ***** all over the place...and that's all you do.
What would you propose for her? In the end, if it WAS all a publicity thing, obviously a ****** one, then hopefully, they'll abandon all their strategic ways of getting her more sales, cause they're obviously not working. |
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I find Emi's perspective on this to be like 90% of AHS. "Ayu would never lie to us, she said so. Therefore this has to be real because she never lies to her fans." It's getting very old, very stupid and with how many fans base it off her old NHK interviews, while parts of those are noticably staged for the press and the fans, it makes you seem incapable of intelligent thought. Try thinking for yourselves instead of believing everything Avex wants you to believe. Atleast the japanese fans are finally pulling off the blinders and quit buying their garbage. These stunts should and hopefully will tank her career. Her career should be based on her talent not a bunch of gimmicks, lies and publicity stunts. When allowed to show it, she's got more talent than Madonna, Britney, Gaga, Namie, Hikki and Kuu put together. So try supporting her and not buy anything Avex has their name attached to. Buy what comes from Ayumi after she drops Avex like a bad habit and relies on her talent again.
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This is pretty much it. Even though some people aren't fond of you, I love it when you post. I love hearing your opinion. |
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this all is kinda sad. many fans are angry and hateful, but I'm just sad & devastated this time. really |
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I don't think though that the japanese public really cares for any image she has, her image mainly hurts her fanbase at this point, if at all.
Reminding that she barely promotes and doesn't have many or useful tie-ins. |
2012 Yearly Rankings
#38 Party Queen #42 A SUMMER BEST Recochoku 1st Week chaku uta: #39 Wake me up chaku uta: #62 Sweet scar chaku uta FULL: #65 Wake me up chaku uta FULL: #93 Sweet scar |
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2nd Day
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It's pretty ironic, isn't it? It was the people who created a mega monster star like her. They shared the very limelight Ayu achieved during her prime, mainly by being a fan and screaming her name and buying her CDs. She have done everything for everyone. She made her fans proud, spoiled to a further extent, of consecutive and sometimes spontaneous #1 hits here and there. We developed confidence every time Ayu will be releasing something. "Ayu is, as usual, slaying the charts." For some fans, whatever she touches becomes gold. She was even touted the "Empress of Pop." However, reality had stricken. She's no more. She's no longer there. She's no longer the slayer she used to be. These thoughts, whatever they mean to anyone, doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is the day when Ayu decided to stop music. She knows she can't please anyone, I believe that. But what if she realized no one is left to support her? I sincerely hope that day won't come.
Pardon the drama, but the current situation: the way Japan looks at her, the way overseas fans treat her, and the way she is right now, it really makes me sad. If things would only get worse if she decided to continue, I rather wish she'd take a hiatus after her 15th anniversary. It's really weakening seeing a once mighty star falling down slowly and painfully from the heavens just like that. sigh :shrug |
Yeah the drop was too sharp for first day sales for 'again', its a shame really -
she puts out songs that i'm sure her Japanese fanbase would eat up and love, and they're overlooking it because she's dating someone. :thud |
I'm pretty sure that if Ayu released the best single or the best album of her whole carrer and only sold 1000 copies, it would be considered the WORST. That is how it works for some people here.
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^I think it's more to do with Ayu's insistence that her personal is separate to her public, and well... it's not.
By personal, I don't mean her introverted lyrics and emotions in songs - I mean Last Angel, Love Song, snowy kiss. Loads of artists have emotional and VERY personal lyrics (more so than Ayu), but still keep their private life out of the press, media and their work. And, I'm sorry, but if you DON'T want your life all over the media, you can stop it - even if it costs $$$$. People do it. But being in the media for your personal life is the life blood of a pop star though, it can make and break you if you take the risk of using it. When all else fails, keep your name on peoples lips by the press spinning stories about your latest man/woman. Cynical? Maybe. It won't shift CDs, but at least people still know your name. I don't think Ayu wants her time to be over, even though she may love music now (I think in her early days she loved the fame more), these are the last ditch attempts to stay as "Ayumi Hamasaki". When really, if a few things hadn't happened, people maybe wouldn't have bought her CDs or liked her music, but she wouldn't have cracked the reputation of "Ayumi Hamasaki" from her peak. It's such a typical trajectory that... well... what else is to be expected? |
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I'm a Madonna fan, but what the hell... if I had to hate her everytime she changes boyfriend... I don't see Maro interfering in Ayu's work. She wanted to use a model for her covers, why it cannot be him? what if she wants to be half naked in Party queen? Are you all that SHALLOW? Grow up! Less HATE and more LOVE people... |
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Personally I don't mind she had her half ass on her album cover but Japanese may accept that from Kuu but certainly not ayu, I blame this cover on lowering ayu's sales. If you don't believe this, consider these statistics: debut week sales: NL: 24k R'n'RC: 20k, dropped by 16% Ls: 18k, dropped by 10% FIVE: 12.7k, dropped by 29% PQ: 9.7k, dropped by 25% Now keep in mind that FIVE is an EP, so PQ dropped almost half from Ls debut week sales, and that's huge And speaking of shallow, who isn't really? Even ayu is shallow enough to think that western people and everything about them is better than her own race, why do you think she used much more Caucasian actors in her PVs than Japanese? And why do you think that she loves the US so much that she almost moved there? |
i understand the cultural differences, but i think it is still OVERREACTED.
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And a majority of music buyers are that shallow, how many people are buying music just because of the singer/group's physical attractiveness? AKB48 sells CDs that incredibly by offering a handshake coupon to those who buy 50 copies of one album/single |
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:rolleyes thats all. |
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Bla bla bla, always the same drama every time ayu does not reach number 1, so what? Her music has been going stale since Rock 'n' Roll Circus, so what is the big shock here? I know a lot of people do not agree but to me it feels that way. Do I still care about ayumi? As far as the new releases go not so much, regarding the quality of music that is, now looking back, yes, I still love her lots, the old days feel the same for me and I listen to her probably still everyday.
The thing is people have different ways to see the world, so there will always be people that will continue to love everything, and those who will just stop caring, but maybe after a while she will do something good again, at least I hope so. |
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^ I think the complete opposite...
When Rock n ROll circus came out, I had had it with her... the disappointing that was guilty, I didnt even want to give Next Level a try and then RnR... please... thank god Love Songs came around or I might not be a fan today. |
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For me, Ayu has tried a bit of everything since R'n'RC (and has definitely not had stale music this year lol). |
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but Im happy now... this reminds me of ayumi's golden age... everything is just grand for me. |
Taking a closer look at the top ten...
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No surprise that EXILE, YUI and Mr.Children outsold them (Mr.Children on their second week?). Even Yumi Matsutoya. Anyone shocked at the numbers or not? |
i just hope one day she has a namie amuro and comes back. if she pulls it together she deserves it!
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I think the divorce cost her a lot of support. She clearly rushed into that relationship, which looked really bad on her. And worse, it ended in a divorce, which looked even worse. She would have recovered better if she said amniotic fluid goes stale at 35 on national television instead of doing the shotgun marriage/shotgun divorce bit. And more, it looked like she was doing it for writing material after awhile. :| I honestly can't disagree more with you about Ayumi praising whites. She is not a "race traitor" by any means. I would be quicker to call Koda that considering how many different men she's rubbed her cootch on in a music video, than I would ever call Ayu. I think Ayumi's main goal was to add a lot of diversity to her show. I honestly think that's where Manny and Timmy came in, along with Juno, and others. She's probably trying to show more unity among different people in her more recent music. The gay thing, while it irked me a little (even though I'm gay), I'm glad she did it because it, in a way, helped bring attention to something else very taboo in Asia: homosexuality. However, I'll never love what Ayu did more than what Elva Hsiao did in Let Love Fly... Elva made that video so ****ing awesomely beautiful and in good taste that I almost cry when I see it. It made me feel so good to be an Elva fan. When Ayumi did it, I thought: Oh look, another sweaty shirtless gay guy dancing in a club. *next video* Quote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Maro thing is actually one of the reasons for again's sales, idk. |
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