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adantatu2 15th October 2018 05:01 AM

^Thanks! Without the different concerts, how many copies would she has sold? What do you think ?

KarenPang 15th October 2018 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 3288493)
^Thanks! Without the different concerts, how many copies would she has sold? What do you think ?

It's hard to say but I'm sure without the inclusion of the concert footages & also the packaging + different external bonus items , I'm sure TROUBLE would tank horribly

They're considerably quite big push factors for people to buy TROUBLE and frankly without them , I cannot imagine how the EP sales would be

KarenPang 17th October 2018 09:16 AM

TROUBLE 9th week position & sales - #243 ; 239

Total 9 week sales - 31,692

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5915798343?pn=2

KarenPang 24th October 2018 09:18 AM

TROUBLE 10th week position & sales - #257 ; 215

Total 10 week sales - 31,907

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5923731088?pn=2

njanjayrp 24th October 2018 09:29 AM

^ thanks for the update Karen!

I can't believe it's still selling!

Cahz- 24th October 2018 05:10 PM

Nice. Thanks Karen.:love

KarenPang 31st October 2018 11:19 AM

TROUBLE 11th week position & sales - #247 ; 251

Total 11 week sales - 32,158

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5931656548?pn=2

Wow TROUBLE is still charting + somemore it sold more than last week :O

At least TROUBLE crossed the 32K mark

Cahz- 31st October 2018 11:35 AM

Sugoi. And it already charted more weeks than CoLOURS and M(A)DE IN JAPAN (10 weeks both)
Total TROUBLE sales physical + digital (2,685): 34,843 :)

Sky High 31st October 2018 08:24 PM

Omg, maybe she can reach 40k ? And she is touring, good way to promote new album.

LONJJONG 2nd November 2018 09:52 AM

wow charted for so long :O

KarenPang 7th November 2018 08:42 AM

TROUBLE 12th week position & sales - #298 ; 191

Total 12 week sales - 32,349

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5939091610

Still charting :O I think TROUBLE will stop charting next week

Cahz- 7th November 2018 01:14 PM

Yay. Btw, TROUBLE is up to 29 on Recochoku Hi-Res Daily Chart

http://recochoku.jp/ranking/hires_album/daily/

KarenPang 14th November 2018 05:43 AM

Oricon wrote that TROUBLE charted for 12 weeks on the charts so it has already left the Top 300

https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/246497...cts/1285945/1/

Sky High 17th November 2018 12:59 PM

Wow, still charting :)

KarenPang 21st November 2018 01:26 PM

TROUBLE has recharted back on Oricon !

13th week position & sales - #299 ; 189

Total 13 week sales - 32,538

https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/246497...cts/1285945/1/
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5955614942?pn=2

Wow , TROUBLE has already suppressed M(A)DE IN JAPAN & sixxxxxx , charting wise

Ruan Borges 21st November 2018 09:37 PM

It's good tha we can keep track the sales total <3

Trouble was a good comeback realese after all, I wish she would put out a cover album next year, then a new album or A Best 3, why not? /dream

oaristos 21st November 2018 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3290877)
TROUBLE has recharted back on Oricon !

13th week position & sales - #299 ; 189

Total 13 week sales - 32,538

https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/246497...cts/1285945/1/
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5955614942?pn=2

Wow , TROUBLE has already suppressed M(A)DE IN JAPAN & sixxxxxx , charting wise

That's amazing! I had such negative opinions when I first listened to TROUBLE, but now I think it was a pretty decent EP. Not exactly the release we were all expecting (myself included), but still not bad. :yes

njanjayrp 22nd November 2018 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruan Borges (Post 3290906)
It's good tha we can keep track the sales total <3

Trouble was a good comeback realese after all, I wish she would put out a cover album next year, then a new album or A Best 3, why not? /dream

I will never understand why would anyone wish for a best of album to be released. All the the songs are there. You can create a playlist and listen to fhem in any order.

I want her to do a proper full length album.

Ruan Borges 22nd November 2018 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3290939)
I will never understand why would anyone wish for a best of album to be released. All the the songs are there. You can create a playlist and listen to fhem in any order.

I want her to do a proper full length album.

It's not that I care about a best at all, is just a good way to boost popularity and sales in japan (when it has promotion) but I get it that she doesnt even care bout this now

Cahz- 22nd November 2018 09:32 PM

I want a best album because the songs are remastered. And also I as a fan want her to get great sales again, although she couldn't care less at this point of her life.

njanjayrp 22nd November 2018 11:37 PM

I don’t think releasing a best of translates to better sales...It’s just not the right moment. First she needs a hit song. Then a best of to remind people who she is...

I don’t see her going this way any time soon though. Especially considering that she didn’t have a properly promoted release in ages and TROUBLE was just an excuse to continue touring.

rainbow_smile 23rd November 2018 02:06 AM

Yeah even though best ofs tend to sell more than original albums, I think in her case even a best of won't help her anymore at this point

Cahz- 23rd November 2018 04:37 AM

Speaking of two jpop divas:
Seiko Matsuda 2015 best sold 150k, and her last hit was on 1995. Her studio albums nowadays use to sell 15k.
Akina Nakamori 2014 bests sold 80k each, and her last hit was on the 80s lol. Her last two studio albums sold 10k each.
ayumi's career is way more healthy than those two, I don't see why she can't have great sales with a best album. (something like 100k). Honestly it makes me a little bit mad :irked they are losing a great opportunity being this her anniversary year.

voltron 23rd November 2018 09:29 AM

^ A significant difference is that Ayu has ongoing sales of things like A Best via digital sales, especially when her albums go on sale. The two you mentioned are of another generation, and more likely a target audience that isn't as likely to buy digital and who would buy things for the nostalgia and/or to catch up on an artist they lost track of. It's really not a comparison, and I don't think a new best album from Ayu would sell much of anything.

EndOfTheWorld 23rd November 2018 09:55 AM

The success of Trouble has me questioning almost everything with Ayu. I don't understand how it's still selling. Through my perspective Trouble is Ayu's weakest release and least promoted release but yet here it is selling 30,000+. Months after release. So I have no idea if A Best 3 would sell well or not.:laugh
My guess now is that it would sell less than A Best 2 but would still sell more than a regular album.
As for remastering? I don't think it would matter unfortunately. I would love it if they fixed the dynamic range of the tracks. But in 2018 the music business still refuses to change their practices aka "the loudness war".

Corvina 23rd November 2018 10:20 AM

Trouble might have sold better than expected, but still has the trend of falling sales continuing - Made in Japan sold 40k and the last mini sixxxxxx 44k.
The reason for it selling decently is most probably the two concerts attached to it and it is hard to tell how it would have done without them.
Smart move to attach after holding them back for so long.

A best of doesn't garantee good sales nowadays.
Even popular artists have problems selling lots in general (like AAA - highly popular right now, doing two big successful tours this year - first arena, right now Dome - are only selling 90k of their new album).
If you look at the yearly Oricon chart, to break in the Top 50 with an album you don't even need sales of 75k...

Overall sales alone don't matter that much anymore. Even somebody with low physical sales can have a healthy career -and vice versa. There's touring, there's digital, there's streaming (a streaming chart by Oricon starts in three weeks). Aimyon would be a good example - her physical sales are non-existent, but digital they're quite nice and she's especially big in streaming. And even though she's just in her 2nd major year of career, she was invited to Kohaku this year.
Ayu still has a healthy fanbase to tour with - hope it stays like that and she isn't loosing more fans.
But even Ai Otsuka with awful sales and pretty much no relevance left whatsoever is doing several tours and concerts (and releases) through the year, even though they're small.
So no career is really just over, it's just about adjustments.
And honestly, while I can see why fans like their artists to be popular, popularity doesn't really matter at all. At least to me personal. And it has so many forms nowadays. Sometimes it seems to me there are too many fans out there just caring about popularity ( we even have a name for fans like that in German).

Andrenekoi 23rd November 2018 01:49 PM

You guys are overrating the impact of the concerts on the Trouble sales. Her latest live releases weren't breaking 10k sales.

rainbow_smile 23rd November 2018 04:05 PM

Even if A BEST 3 does end up selling 100k, that won't really boost her popularity. The higher revenue could increase her budget, but it won't be by that much and will only last so long. And at this point I think remastering her songs to AHS's standarts is outside her budget :laugh If she does release A BEST 3 I bet it'll just be a collection of songs released since A BEST 2, without any remastering, re-recording or remixes. Maybe she'll put o new song or two if we're lucky

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Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3290991)
And honestly, while I can see why fans like their artists to be popular, popularity doesn't really matter at all. At least to me personal. And it has so many forms nowadays. Sometimes it seems to me there are too many fans out there just caring about popularity ( we even have a name for fans like that in German).

This so much tbh. While I do want my faves to be popular for the sake of getting recognition they deserve, their popularity doesn't really affect my opinion on them. I don't think they're any less worthy if they're not popular nor do I think they have to chase popularity

Corvina 23rd November 2018 04:07 PM

Selling 10k more or not is a difference. ;)

That's also something I don't understand, why did they stop releasing DVDs. I'd understand CDLs, but tours?
Selling 10k is still a significant amount and generating a good income. DVDs are expensive in Japan after all.
And there are a lot of artists still releasing live DVDs selling the same or less than Ayu and still doing it regularly. So not being worth it can't be a reason.

attractive nausea 23rd November 2018 04:32 PM

^ At first I thought they had stopped releasing DVDs to sell them all at once in 2018 as a way to celebrate her 20th anniversary, but now i'm not so sure anymore lol

I really do wonder why a DVD for PoM 2018 hasn't been announced yet, I mean the tv version is so well edited that I don't think they have a lot of extra work to do about it, I wish it would be released in december so I could have it for christmas :(

KarenPang 23rd November 2018 05:51 PM

Many artistes I listen & support to over the years they're not popular and the current in act but that's not what I got into their respective music in the 1st place

Compared with other female solo acts , Ayu is 1 of the better faring ones at this point in time . She hasn't reach a stage where her releases tanked ie. out of the Top 300 on Oricon

It's unfortunate that Ayu did not do anything major to mark her 20th anniversary , it's as though it's non existent and for her to just let it slide without doing anything proper aside from putting out TROUBLE , doing 2 back to back tours & performing at a-nation 2018 , I'm quite flabbergasted about it

I don't know how Ayu's other long time fans would feel about this but for me in supporting her for such a long time , I can't help but feel disappointed about it

Not many musicians are lucky to be in the music business for more than 20 years & counting and avex should utilise whatever resources they have to commemorate Ayu's legacy instead of being sitting ducks in the pond

mi|kshake 26th November 2018 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3291013)
It's unfortunate that Ayu did not do anything major to mark her 20th anniversary , it's as though it's non existent and for her to just let it slide without doing anything proper aside from putting out TROUBLE , doing 2 back to back tours & performing at a-nation 2018 , I'm quite flabbergasted about it

I don't know how Ayu's other long time fans would feel about this but for me in supporting her for such a long time , I can't help but feel disappointed about it

Not many musicians are lucky to be in the music business for more than 20 years & counting and avex should utilise whatever resources they have to commemorate Ayu's legacy instead of being sitting ducks in the pond

I agree. What I like about JPop is how much anniversaries are acknowledged. I was expecting to take my wallet out and have an Ayu blowout this year with the 20th anniversary but...nothing. Like with the 15th anniversary, whilst there were repeat releases (Love, Again, LoveAgain) I was so excited about these releases regardless.

I can understand that new material isn't her priority nowadays but Avex could have commissioned a new remix release.

Andrenekoi 26th November 2018 06:14 AM

This complaints happens at pretty much every anniversary of hers lol

KarenPang 26th November 2018 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mi|kshake (Post 3291078)
I agree. What I like about JPop is how much anniversaries are acknowledged. I was expecting to take my wallet out and have an Ayu blowout this year with the 20th anniversary but...nothing. Like with the 15th anniversary, whilst there were repeat releases (Love, Again, LoveAgain) I was so excited about these releases regardless.

I can understand that new material isn't her priority nowadays but Avex could have commissioned a new remix release.

Suddenly the way things were done to commemorate Ayu's 10th & 15th anniversaries ain't so bad as compared to now @_@

Other artistes even though they have not been that active in recent years , at least they still made the effort to commemorate their landmark milestone

B'z in recent years don't perform on TV often but last year they appeared in a considerable number of TV shows to celebrate their 30th anniversary early besides going numerous back to back tours , putting out a new album & also organised an extensive exhibition housing a mountain load of memorabilia of theirs

Likewise for L'arc , they haven't been active the last few years but at least they still did 2 concerts last year in Tokyo Dome to commemorate their 25th anniversary while they're coming back again next month to perform their Christmas theme concert in Tokyo Dome again

At this point in Ayu's life , I'm not asking a laundry list of things from her but the way either she or avex handled her 20th anniversary milestone , it's nothing special , it just came & go :no

Nothing special was put out to say hey Ayu is still here , she left such a big mark in the industry & for avex to miss out to capitalise on this opportunity , I don't know what else to think about it

Also seeing other artistes doing all sorts of different yet unique ways to celebrate their respective milestone in the industry , I keep wondering why Ayu did not do so as well

rainbow_smile 26th November 2018 09:08 PM

Maybe ayu just doesn't care about anniversaries, it's not a big deal imo :shrug

oaristos 27th November 2018 04:59 AM

It's better not to do anything to celebrate her 20th anniversary if she's not inspired. If "A BEST 3" ever happens, it should really be something special and unique.

attractive nausea 27th November 2018 08:53 PM

I'm personally not asking for A BEST 3 but ayu-mi-x 8, which Ayu has like nothing to do herself except a photoshoot for the album cover.

Sky High 28th November 2018 03:47 AM

Or Ayu trance 5, that would be amazing, so many new songs to remix.

AyuCanada 29th November 2018 03:34 AM

they could have least have release the 20th anniversary tour as a dvd or bluray

LONJJONG 30th November 2018 01:45 PM

we stan the queen of longevity.

Didz-19 8th December 2018 08:12 AM

I read a post by AyuAngel in FB, stated that AVEX might be releasing a playlist of Ayumi's covers. Is it true?

LONJJONG 8th December 2018 12:59 PM

They already did. Basically it's songs that she had previously covered.

Aderianu 8th December 2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 3291914)
I read a post by AyuAngel in FB, stated that AVEX might be releasing a playlist of Ayumi's covers. Is it true?

playlist with cover congs

浜崎あゆみ - Movin' on without you
宇多田ヒカル - Movin' on without you
浜崎あゆみ - 卒業写真
荒井由実 - 卒業写真
浜崎あゆみ - Happening Here
trf - Happening Here
浜崎あゆみ - teens (acoustic version)
trf - teens
浜崎あゆみ - SEVEN DAYS WAR
TM NETWORK - SEVEN DAYS WAR
浜崎あゆみ - Many Classic Moments
globe - Many Classic Moments

https://avex.lnk.to/ayu-covers_playlist

xLuna&1LOVE 8th December 2018 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 3291914)
I read a post by AyuAngel in FB, stated that AVEX might be releasing a playlist of Ayumi's covers. Is it true?

Still waiting for that day when AVEX might be releasing a playlist of other celebs covering Ayumi songs.

ayuinh.k? 11th December 2018 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 3291940)
Still waiting for that day when AVEX might be releasing a playlist of other celebs covering Ayumi songs.

They have until April 08 2019 to do so ;)

kotora 13th December 2018 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3291937)
playlist with cover congs

浜崎あゆみ - Movin' on without you
宇多田ヒカル - Movin' on without you
浜崎あゆみ - 卒業写真
荒井由実 - 卒業写真
浜崎あゆみ - Happening Here
trf - Happening Here
浜崎あゆみ - teens (acoustic version)
trf - teens
浜崎あゆみ - SEVEN DAYS WAR
TM NETWORK - SEVEN DAYS WAR
浜崎あゆみ - Many Classic Moments
globe - Many Classic Moments

https://avex.lnk.to/ayu-covers_playlist

Hmm, I thought the list would be included those songs in ayu ready?

Corvina 21st December 2018 03:02 PM

The yearly Oricon charts are out.

TROUBLE is at #134 with sales of 32,538.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/s1E2RR.png

Cahz- 22nd December 2018 12:25 AM

Thanks Corvina.:)


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