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As for the drama, I had fun with it though it is one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen. It's not "good", but fun to watch anyway. What I don't like is them not using the original songs or names of the other artists (Like what's the point of ELT becoming OTF, et cetera? Especially when you are keeping the songs the same). All of the cover versions of the songs just sound cheap and pale in comparison to the originals which is a bad move since it seems Avex wants to use this drama to promote it's younger talent - all it is doing is reminding people how much better the original stuff sounded IMO. At least the M performance was lip synched to Ayu's original; hopefully that continues for all of the Ayu songs. |
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But I personally don't believe in the "true love story" narrative or anything like that lol. It's just a marketing stunt. I mean, a true story about a love affair between a young girl right out of her teens with a the head of a huge record label in his mid-30s would be full of conflict of interests and would raise questions about abuse of power, ethics, etc. Max Matsuura himself is a figure that is rumored to be involved with drugs, the water trade and with some sketchy figures. So I have a hard time believing a romance between him and Ayu would not be a wishy washy romance fit for a broadcast TV drama or very marketing friendly lol. That said, I am curious to check out the drama. Sometimes some cheesy fun is good. As I said, repercussion in Japan is very very high so I do think it'll benefit Ayu too (I mean, not her new material but...). |
came here to read comments and im surprised by the positivity..will be catching it this weekend XD
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I read a few years ago that avex STILL has to pay royalties to her former agency, because they definitely want to profit off her starpower she gained after getting out of the contract, moving on to better things. Any truth to that? seems unbelievable, after all these years. |
Looking for softsubs! I want to translate properly to another language for my friends, but I need the timing, any help?
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Yes I remember this article !! Imo it's not that impossible !! Music industry work strangely especially in Japan you can't leave your agency easily without consequences, in a lot of case the people who does that are blacklisted. |
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https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-1/ But you need a "Softsub Subscription" at Patreon. |
New pic of Kalen Anzai and Shohei Miura.
https://i.imgur.com/unrzodE.jpg |
can someone upload episodes with subs here? I don't know why this site don't work for me
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https://ok.ru/video/1414182472347 |
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Max looks so hot in here :love I might be in love |
I just finished watching and it is just as cringe as I thought it would be in the best way.
Max's friend is super duper irritating. Eyepatch is gearing up to be the best villain since Star Trek's Kai Winn. Kalen seemed pretty good in the grand scheme of the rest of the show. I'm not sure why they changed some of the stuff... it would have made more sense to either have told a story about Ayu and kept everything the same with dramatic licence or told a story about Ayu and changed everything. But, eh. I'll be looking forward to the next episode. |
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Wow this is so bad it's good. I can't wait for more! |
I thinks it was really fun, actually.
I was really surprised about how much charisma Kalen had on camera...So far the text didn't give Ayu much of a personality, but I really liked having Kalen on screen, lol. She also wasn't bad acting and unlike the show promo, she didn't give me the same feeling her PVs |
Sorry but anybody know where is Karen's POWDER SNOW shoot from? Episode 1 or some teaser out there?
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It's cheesy, and I anticipated as much. I'm actually pretty excited to watch more after the 1st episode!
I think Kalen fits what I felt about Ayu back then, she did seem much stiffer when she was younger, at least from what I remember watching of her younger things. So it's not too awful for me. |
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Anyway, thank you again, Andrenekoi. I hope you've been well, and I hope everyone on the Discord is doing well too! PS: Still doing fine here since my su&%*!" attempt in 2018. I haven't had any thoughts since then, and even though I have no one to really talk to (and haven't seen I disappeared from the Discord), I'm doing far better overall mentally. I do, however, miss connecting with you and others in chat, and I owe a lot of my increased thoughtfulness regarding what I say and how I say it to you and others who, regardless of our spats, still treated me like a part of the group on Discord. Thank you! |
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I would blame the director/script and not the actress, honestly. Also, for someone who was marketed as a "hologram/CG" singer, she's actually doing something.
As for the lack of stage presence, as I said she had an aura and some speculation as not being real, as a CG creating, and the only live performance she did since her debut is this: ... which you can barely see her because she's behind dozens of mirrors. She has no stage persona because she's barely a performer still, so putting things into consideration, she's not great, but she's better than I was expecting. I still haven't watch a full episode, I will wait when it's all over. |
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I did like her presence... In the sense I wasn't bored or uninterester when the story was focusing on her, what would be like the worst possibility ever for this kind of production... Now, considering her live performances and she playing Ayu on stage, I would say this is the aspect she suffers the most. Ayu is a hell of a performer, and even when she wasn't ready, she was always able to connect with her audience and put emotion on her singing... 2 stuff this girl surely can't do as successfully. |
Karen in fron of A song for xx remake album jacket:
https://twitter.com/ABEMA/status/1250317936838897664 |
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"This is the Ayu we deserve in Japan 2020" :shakehead |
Still no downloadable version with subs?
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Episode 2 with eng sub is out!
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-2/ |
I had a great time watching this episode. ayu x masa romance was cheesy but in a nice way ^^ The scene with her being happy about the coat and the balloon in the background was somehow sweet to me. I also enjoyed how they show off her resilience as it really is her trait. Oh, and the teacher was a star of this episode. An absolutely brilliant character and the actress doing a fantastic job playing her. This is exactly how I would imagine an eccentric singing teacher. I desperately want to see more or her! I will turn a blind eye (haha) to the villain secretary, this person breaks the flow of everything for me but luckily she is there only for brief moments. In my eyes, Kalen is still very fine and getting better. I enjoy looking at her and while she does lack the stage presence of ayu during the concert parts, but aside from that it's fun to follow her footsteps in this story.
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Kalen was definitely better in this episode! I can't wait to see how she evolves as the show continues. I also really like how they play the songs that represent the scene. It gives her lyrics so much context.
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Oh my god this episode had an LOL moment in every scene. :laugh when Ayu got blasted with water LOL
Why is the eye patch secretary giving me TOMIE vibes?! Is the girl group being put together Dream? Or is it going to be totally fictional? |
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I wondered if it’s Dream too, but they came out of Avex Dream 2000, which started in 1999.
Not that this show is being complete correct with things lol. Avex really didn’t have many girl groups, so it’s kind of interesting. |
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Although really laughable, I’m digging this show. |
I really enjoyed the episode. Is it cheesy? Yes, but that's part of why I like it. :'D The whole stuff with "Fly High", the balloon or the coat all probably fall into that category but I like that, it warms my heart. I absolutely loved the teacher! :D They obviously changed the New York/vocal lessons thing (with ayu actually attending properly, the marathon) but I feel like they did a good job using it as a way to show ayu's strength & will power. She often thought about giving up but knew she had to keep going.
Only thing I'm not entirely sold on is Reika (the secretary). In itself, her role is a fitting concept but lines like "I can see her dark future" or the 'be my right eye' are kinda out of place. Judged by the concert scene, they are giving very clear nods to some of her iconic looks but it doesn't seem like they actually try to re-create any specific performance. It's more for the sake of evoking a feeling of nostalgia within people. The drama isn't perfect but personally, I'm very happy with the outcome so far. |
I feel that the forming of the girl group might be SPEED even though they debuted at 1995. But Dream makes sense too. That said, the timeline for this show is all over the place anyway, so we'll never know for sure :laugh Like why did she already get the iconic 2001 blonde hair before she even released poker face, we'll never know. #choices
Again, another so bad it's good episode. I feel that they're trying to squeeze a lot of things during this episode though! Any idea how many episodes are planned for this? Seems like they're gonna cover Ayu's debut and her grandmother's death next episode. Btw, drinking game that Meat Pao and I came up with for this show: Take a shot for every: *shing* sound whenever a character is (re)introduced a victory president’s assistant mindlessly agrees with him Reika playing with eyepatch/looks into the future Reika's entrance ominous low piano note plays Reika being EXTREMELY inappropriate with Masa Referencing the rainbow When Masa starts another shouting rampage Ayu changes hairstyle Random Ayu song that plays [and is NOT M] Reference to a has-been avex act Feel free to add on any cheesy or corny recurring themes in the episodes! We're gonna be so drunk after every episode :laugh |
^ every time Ayu ends a question with “desuKaA?” Lol
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Now that 2 episode has been released I think the comical and over the top aspect of this drama were done in purpose ! They definitely aimed it for younger audiences and considering how it’s a big topic en social media especially on twitter it worked lol
The actress playing the teacher is amazing she makes me laugh so much lol Btw the real teacher of Ayu back then Harada Mayumi reacted on her blog about how she was portrayed in the book and it seems like she was a bit angry to be described as a tyrannical teacher while it was not really the case. Notheless she understands that a part of it is fictional. She said that young Ayu was so grown up/ mature and a wise child. |
i think the second episode was not as good as the first but i'm not still losing interest of the drama. as mizuki-7 said, that over the top acting etc seems to be on purpose and it's kinda hilarious. although I personally would love this series to show ayu more strong and independent, now she seems to do everything for max / because of max and the character is just a puppet Max is turning into a diamond. yes it's a drama but this shows Max as a hero and Ayu as an weak person
I wonder how far trainees are really forced to go in real life until they get their debuts. they show the hard training camp in NYC and that ridiculous runs just to have a chance to debut. I bet they won't go that far in real life but as we seen in KPOP, people are really going far and beyond just to have a debut. I actually wouldn't be surprised if big companys like avex (a victory) made people to run 10km and then have a debut like they did in series |
I thought the girlband could be maybe MAX?
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^ That wouldn't really make sense though, given their Supermonkeys start - they weren't really peers to Ayu in that sense, they were already well established. Obviously there's creative license, but that just doesn't seem like the right fit.
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I loved the first episode but the second has taken a direction I'm not sure about...
Putting aside the usual cheesy flaws and the over the top acting, everything was fine until the trainee camp part. How come they send Ayu to NY with an exclusive top trainer, but then they have the same woman back to train a bunch of random wannabes? Who in their right mind would force someone with a dislocated shoulder to run a marathon carrying 10 bottles of water? I understand the show wants to portray Ayu as a really strong girl who would do anything not to let Masa down but there must be a limit. |
Y’all, I haven’t posted in 500 years but I am LIVING for this drama!!! It’s just so fun. This is something I never thought we’d get. It’s definitely not perfect but I’m here for it! : )
I was expecting Max to encourage Ayu to start writing lyrics in New York. Isn’t that when she started doing that? |
I really don't enjoy how the show presents Ayu as some silly sap. I can't really buy Kalen as a "rough diamond chosen by the gods" — Ayu yes that's evident but Kalen plays Ayu like an android cafe waifu hostess with the charisma of a microwaved apple.
Though no doubt we're going to be expected to swallow that someone so meek with little to nothing to say in show — will go on to pen her first album with songs like A Song For. I can imagine the scene now Masa with a *fist full of papers with Ayu's lyrics* "Who write this?" AYU WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?" Ayu "I-i-i *clutches diary close to chest" Masa "Ayu chan it's a miracle you write such introspective lyrics beyond your years" Ayu "I just close my eyes and the lyrics come to me" Masa "The gods have destined it for you" Ayu "^__^ *nods*" Thinking about it, maybe the little dialogue for the Ayu character is probably a design choice to accommodate for Kalen's acting ability? |
Ayu's real story is pretty amazing in a lot of ways, but it lacks some "pizzazz" - which is where this drama is coming in. I enjoy it when I separate it from the reality of her, and just appreciate it for goofy entertainment.
That said, I think for certain audiences, this will start to blend with the real Ayu - even the fake parts. It's partially re-writing her history, but also in a somewhat relatable and favorable way. Oh, this girl was bullied so badly, but look how she came through it! Nobody believed she could do it, and wow she did! She never gave up, even when anybody in their right mind should have - how did she run with that sprained arm? (Alluding to her hearing loss, etc.). If you look at Namie, for example, once she started to increase in popularity again, it became about erasing the negatively perceived parts of her persona. She had tattoos removed and covered up. She never discussed her shotgun wedding, child, or divorce. She was very deliberate in her image and what she did (and did not) put out there. I think there's a lot of similarity here, just that Ayu isn't necessarily the one driving all of this (to our knowledge). |
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I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well. |
Btw, on the book it is acknowledged that she was singing before meeting Max. She mentions she is releasing the album (nothing from nothing) on the supposed first meet at the disco.
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Kalen's lack of acting skills really don't help. I think what makes it more difficult is that she doesn't feel like ayu at all, and it seems her character just wasn't written that way. She trudges through the lines, but her as ayu is one of the least compelling characters. Whenever they reenact the lives, she looks dead. Like I don't understand lol. Anyway, I'm also not a fan of the way they center Masa. Romance-wise, I get it, but the way ayu is depicted in comparison is sad. I do think ayu's story is dark and interesting enough to have a compelling serious show. But thats not what they were going for here of course. Shame though, would've been cool In the meantime, I'll be interested to see where they go with this. It's still fun to watch as a fan, so I look forward to new episodes weekly. |
It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?
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Because of Corona, they can't continue the shooting for the dorama so, apparently, it will be stopped for a while.
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In the sense that western narrative usually presents someone with big inherent powers (or talents, in this case) they must learn to use, while japanese narratives usually presents how people develop such powers/talents through hard work and resiliance? |
I’ve been reading about the Japanese word “べき (beki)”, as in the context of ayus lyrics for M, I always felt it held a nuanced weight. In Japanese you’re taught it means “should” but in this case it feels awkward to translate it as such. I started reading this breakdown https://goiryoku.net/subeki-surubeki, and as I was doing so, I got the sense it can correlate with having somewhat of a sense of duty of doing something. Sure enough, it does point that nuance out as a use case and provides and example.
I think the word “reverence” really captures this best, but also “allegiance” “responsibility” and “obligation.” I think this is very interesting because it explains why Ayu is wearing a wedding dress in the video and single cover, and also why she performs it in a wedding dress. Becoming a bride, getting married, it represents a vow - a duty one thereafter feels they have a responsibility to uphold (a duty they accepted and agreed to). Also consider the fact that MARIA represents Mother Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver Christ unto the Earth, who as a result must have held an immense sense of revere for God in choosing her. This makes complete sense in the context of Max, as it is to him she owes her rise to fame (not saying she didn’t have talent, but it took HIM and his belief in her to get the world to see that). I think she recognizes that, and it’s no surprise the way she interpreted thanking him was through loving him. “M—there’s someone I love reverently...” “M—having someone I am devout in loving....” |
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Episode 2 was a bit slow :( looking forward to Episode 3!
edit: wow Episode 3 looks so good so far! waiting for the subs :D |
Episode 3 with subs is out!
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-3/ |
The third episode was a lot more cringy to watch imo, why does Kalen makes Ayu look and sound so stupid?
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This episode was MEH for me but nice to hear the full version of We Can't Stop This - the verses are sooo good and classic J-pop.
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the bit where the lyrics for ASFXX flew out from the page...lol x
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Honestly, I thought Kalen was a tad better and had a bit more fire that I'm used to seeing from Ayu. Glad to see she's improving. And although I don't give Max all the credit for Ayu's success, it's hard to imagine what her career would have looked like without him behind her. |
I'm curious! Does anyone know if A Song for XX was really the first song Ayu wrote? It's hard to know when the drama mixes real events and fiction so easily...
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I think Ayu said before Friend is the first song she wrote before her debut but we know that even Ayu herself is a bit of a history revisionist.
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When it comes down to it, the very first song she wrote is LIMIT in 1995 but of course that's pre-avex...
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Lol not surprised, LIMIT is the only song I like from that album.
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shame masa's site with the translations of interviews is offline now http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/e-ayu.html
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Also the way Ayu is portrayed in this show is really annoying..I remember Ayu saying she listened to what felt like 100 demos in order to put ASFXX together but the drama would leave you to believe that it was Max handpicking everything for dummy Ayu.
This part is interesting from Masa's analysis of ASFXX in hindsight of the book's release On January 1 1999, she released her first album "A Song for XX" with expectation and uneasiness, which ranked first for five consecutive weeks in Oricon Chart and recorded sales of more than one million copies. Quite a remarkable starting that she herself never had expected. I wrote "for once" a little time ago, but if her life had not changed a lot after that, her next album would have been the continuation of "A Song for XX". (I call it the second album not created.) But things went differently. The single song "WHATEVER" released in February that year was filled with suffering, as had never been before, and the second album released in November became much different from the first album in feature. Did something happened? -- I suppose that she lost love around this time, just before or after the release of her first album, and that the experience ended her adolescence unexpectedly and made her impossible to write such lyrics as she had written before. |
I honestly don't think Kalen has the ability to be ayu as she really was. She may have slightly improved but her baseline is as expressive as a corpse, so....
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I seriously dislike max character. It’s annoying af, always with that feeling of superiority, always screaming, always angry. Eew. Not saying Ayu was the queen of creativity all by herself, but this whole history is making her look like a puppet. A talented puppet, but still. No, I won’t stop complaining. Lol |
I approach this drama at a distance, pick up on things that sound familiar and just enjoy the narration they build. It's fiction based on reality, ayu's story serves as the ground for the story but there obviously are changes. Having such a mindset, I enjoyed episode 3 with a few teary moments here and there. The chemistry between ayu and masa feels nice to me. In this drama, she is a complete newbie and as such needs a guidance which he provides very well. Of course, in reality ayu was more independent/stronger than one might think based on the drama. However, I don't think it's that bad. It's still very clear that ayu does have talent, e.g. when Max praises her lyrics. I only found her bullying moment a bit too much. I think the real ayu would've stood up for herself. Then the running and crying piece also wasn't great. So this plus Reika... oh gosh this (yurusanaaaaaaaai) should become a popular meme. I'll keep pretending this character is not there haha. And the grandma moment was so sad 😥 Kalen has been improving from one episode to another so I am looking forward to seeing more... but now we don't know when it continues airing :/ I really hope it's rather sooner than later.
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Is the president character based on Tom Yoda?
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I am really enjoying the drama because it makes me remember the Ayu that I became a fan of. I'm looking forward to the next episodes. I wonder how much of what we see is based on reality and what is fiction?
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Obviously she was acting that way on purpose if we look to old footage she didn’t sound dumb at all ... she was taking the time to choose her words but it’s nothing like in her Avex debut and she quickly stopped speaking like that when people began to say she was dumb and slow in mind. She kept the nasally tones while speaking as an Ayu trading mark but that’s it. Her debuts were really formatted if you asked me.
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I'm falling in love with Max character, also the couple is lovely
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^Thank youu!
You can access "ayu's phone" by clicking this link on your phone https://a-victory.jp/ I'm the 65,622nd visitor! Wait a seconds to get a call from Masa :) There is also a mail box with "private mails" I can't read! |
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