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SunshineSlayer 22nd April 2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 3318049)
AbemaTV is from TV Asahi, it's the same company. You're right: it got a lower budget but it's because it's a late night drama.

But while late night dramas often get lower budgets, they can sometimes surpass the buzz from primetime dramas easily. "Ossan's Love" is an example of that: it was a social phenomenon and it was aired at the same time slot, with shoestring budget.

And I am 99% sure she posted about the M performances on Instagram, which was basically promo for the drama. I remember seeing it in her Stories.

I think most of the "love story" told in the book is fiction made to boost interest in her (which worked) and to whitewash the public image of Max (considering most reports on Japanese tabloid media in the last few years are about him being involved with drugs, Yakuza, skeezy treatment of women etc). Ayu knows that and doesn't really want to directly endorse the drama and have it be considered an actual biography of hers but, at the same time, she knows it'll boost interest in her catalogue so it's pretty clear to me she is coyly promoting it.

I mean, the book was written based on interviews with her. I don't think she was lying in those interviews in order to give Max a better image, but who knows?

As for the drama, I had fun with it though it is one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen. It's not "good", but fun to watch anyway. What I don't like is them not using the original songs or names of the other artists (Like what's the point of ELT becoming OTF, et cetera? Especially when you are keeping the songs the same). All of the cover versions of the songs just sound cheap and pale in comparison to the originals which is a bad move since it seems Avex wants to use this drama to promote it's younger talent - all it is doing is reminding people how much better the original stuff sounded IMO. At least the M performance was lip synched to Ayu's original; hopefully that continues for all of the Ayu songs.

dannysan 22nd April 2020 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318143)
lol the vintage nineties avex logo at the end

the tracklist -
01. REVIVE 'EM ALL 2020(Beverly / FAKY / FEMM / lol -エルオーエル- / Yup'in / 安斉かれん)
revived MAXIMIZOR「CAN'T STOP THIS!!」
テレビ朝日系土曜ナイトドラマ+ABEMA独占配信 「M 愛すべき人がいて」挿入歌
2. Beverly revived globe「FACES PLACES」feat. SCHNELL from SOLIDEMO
3. FAKY revived DA PUMP「Feelin' Good -It's PARADISE- (Retake Version) 」
4. FEMM revived hitomi「CANDY GIRL」
5. Hina from FAKY revived Every Little Thing「出逢った頃のように」
6. lol - エルオーエル- revived TRF「EZ DO DANCE」
7. lol - エルオーエル- revived TRF「BOY MEETS GIRL」
8. Yup'in revived 相川七瀬「夢見る少女じゃいられない」
9. Yup'in revived 相川七瀬「恋心」
10. 安斉かれん revived m-flo「come again」feat. CAELAN from INTERSECTION

we're spared Avex nobodies honkling through poker face

Most of this cover songs were already released 2 years ago...


andre2907 22nd April 2020 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318151)
I mean, the book was written based on interviews with her. I don't think she was lying in those interviews in order to give Max a better image, but who knows?

As for the drama, I had fun with it though it is one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen. It's not "good", but fun to watch anyway. What I don't like is them not using the original songs or names of the other artists (Like what's the point of ELT becoming OTF, et cetera? Especially when you are keeping the songs the same). All of the cover versions of the songs just sound cheap and pale in comparison to the originals which is a bad move since it seems Avex wants to use this drama to promote it's younger talent - all it is doing is reminding people how much better the original stuff sounded IMO. At least the M performance was lip synched to Ayu's original; hopefully that continues for all of the Ayu songs.

I think the book was made with some clear intentions in mind: reviving interest in her catalogue and whitewashing Max Matsuura's image + putting to bed some rumors regarding them. It wasn't made with the intent of actually telling the truth and a bunch of details were embellished (the book's promotion said so. It's a mix of "fiction" with real life details). Plus, if some of the things we heard about Matsuura are true then.... well, there's no way a lot of those details could be published in a mainstream book by a mainstream publishing house with AVEX permission lol.

But I personally don't believe in the "true love story" narrative or anything like that lol. It's just a marketing stunt. I mean, a true story about a love affair between a young girl right out of her teens with a the head of a huge record label in his mid-30s would be full of conflict of interests and would raise questions about abuse of power, ethics, etc. Max Matsuura himself is a figure that is rumored to be involved with drugs, the water trade and with some sketchy figures. So I have a hard time believing a romance between him and Ayu would not be a wishy washy romance fit for a broadcast TV drama or very marketing friendly lol.

That said, I am curious to check out the drama. Sometimes some cheesy fun is good. As I said, repercussion in Japan is very very high so I do think it'll benefit Ayu too (I mean, not her new material but...).

freedreamer 23rd April 2020 03:54 AM

came here to read comments and im surprised by the positivity..will be catching it this weekend XD

SunshineSlayer 23rd April 2020 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 3318166)
I think the book was made with some clear intentions in mind: reviving interest in her catalogue and whitewashing Max Matsuura's image + putting to bed some rumors regarding them. It wasn't made with the intent of actually telling the truth and a bunch of details were embellished (the book's promotion said so. It's a mix of "fiction" with real life details). Plus, if some of the things we heard about Matsuura are true then.... well, there's no way a lot of those details could be published in a mainstream book by a mainstream publishing house with AVEX permission lol.

But I personally don't believe in the "true love story" narrative or anything like that lol. It's just a marketing stunt. I mean, a true story about a love affair between a young girl right out of her teens with a the head of a huge record label in his mid-30s would be full of conflict of interests and would raise questions about abuse of power, ethics, etc. Max Matsuura himself is a figure that is rumored to be involved with drugs, the water trade and with some sketchy figures. So I have a hard time believing a romance between him and Ayu would not be a wishy washy romance fit for a broadcast TV drama or very marketing friendly lol.

Oh, I totally agree about the shady aspects of it, particularly from Max. However, both things can be true. Their relationship can be shady and dark and it can still be a love story as well (I do believe that Ayu was truly in love with him).

andre2907 23rd April 2020 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318178)
Oh, I totally agree about the shady aspects of it, particularly from Max. However, both things can be true. Their relationship can be shady and dark and it can still be a love story as well (I do believe that Ayu was truly in love with him).

You're right, I don't disagree at all. It's not that she was in love with him that I doubt, it's just how the love story per se is told and how it evolved according to the book that I actually don't think is true lol.

sitara 23rd April 2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mizuki-7 (Post 3318115)
Now I was afraid by the storyline but it seems like a lot of things really happened like how Ayu decided of quitting her former agency to joine Avex. It was reported some years ago in a tabloid that Avex had to paye for it because she was still in contract etc...
The feud / revalery between Max and TK did happened back then and how he decided to produce Every little things and Ayu in response to that. It something Max told on her blog like 10 years ago.

It’s quite funny to look for what really happened.


I read a few years ago that avex STILL has to pay royalties to her former agency, because they definitely want to profit off her starpower she gained after getting out of the contract, moving on to better things. Any truth to that? seems unbelievable, after all these years.

sakamoko 23rd April 2020 02:05 PM

Looking for softsubs! I want to translate properly to another language for my friends, but I need the timing, any help?

mizuki-7 23rd April 2020 02:05 PM

^^
Yes I remember this article !!
Imo it's not that impossible !! Music industry work strangely especially in Japan you can't leave your agency easily without consequences, in a lot of case the people who does that are blacklisted.

Linoa62 23rd April 2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sakamoko (Post 3318207)
Looking for softsubs! I want to translate properly to another language for my friends, but I need the timing, any help?

Here:
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-1/

But you need a "Softsub Subscription" at Patreon.

rainBOWWW 23rd April 2020 06:00 PM

New pic of Kalen Anzai and Shohei Miura.
https://i.imgur.com/unrzodE.jpg

Aderianu 23rd April 2020 08:04 PM

can someone upload episodes with subs here? I don't know why this site don't work for me

maxikot 23rd April 2020 08:52 PM

Try this
https://ok.ru/video/1414182472347

Aderianu 23rd April 2020 08:59 PM

^thanks! it works

//ABEST 23rd April 2020 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3318230)

thank you for this! I actually enjoyed this and I have never watched any japanese tv-shows before, yeah it was kinda hilarious and over the top but it was really entertaining! acting was bad but in a entertaining way so I'm looking forward to this from now on.

Max looks so hot in here :love I might be in love

barisuta53 24th April 2020 02:38 AM

I just finished watching and it is just as cringe as I thought it would be in the best way.

Max's friend is super duper irritating.
Eyepatch is gearing up to be the best villain since Star Trek's Kai Winn.
Kalen seemed pretty good in the grand scheme of the rest of the show.

I'm not sure why they changed some of the stuff... it would have made more sense to either have told a story about Ayu and kept everything the same with dramatic licence or told a story about Ayu and changed everything.

But, eh. I'll be looking forward to the next episode.

LONJJONG 24th April 2020 05:10 AM

Spoiler:

Does anyone get the "appears" lyric reference when Masa called Ayu for the 7th time? I thought that's pretty clever although kinda forced.

Katsuyuki012 24th April 2020 06:40 AM

^Yep, I really liked that.

jiarongisme 24th April 2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3318230)

Thanks for this!!

Wow this is so bad it's good. I can't wait for more!

Andrenekoi 24th April 2020 08:36 AM

I thinks it was really fun, actually.

I was really surprised about how much charisma Kalen had on camera...So far the text didn't give Ayu much of a personality, but I really liked having Kalen on screen, lol. She also wasn't bad acting and unlike the show promo, she didn't give me the same feeling her PVs

visionfactory 24th April 2020 11:12 AM

Sorry but anybody know where is Karen's POWDER SNOW shoot from? Episode 1 or some teaser out there?

mizuki-7 24th April 2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3318262)
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I was really surprised about how much charisma Kalen had on camera...So far the text didn't give Ayu much of a personality, but I really liked having Kalen on screen, lol. She also wasn't bad acting and unlike the show promo, she didn't give me the same feeling her PVs

I was pleasantly surprised by that too !!

Machiko 24th April 2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by visionfactory (Post 3318268)
Sorry but anybody know where is Karen's POWDER SNOW shoot from? Episode 1 or some teaser out there?

Wasn't in the first episode, so maybe in the next?

jbrat2219 24th April 2020 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3318262)
I thinks it was really fun, actually.

I was really surprised about how much charisma Kalen had on camera...So far the text didn't give Ayu much of a personality, but I really liked having Kalen on screen, lol. She also wasn't bad acting and unlike the show promo, she didn't give me the same feeling her PVs

Really? I thought she was really stiff! I'll give her the benefit of the doubt in that the script isn't that great and maybe ayu really was that stiff back in the day but I can't excuse her lack of stage presence. If she's going to be playing ayu accurately, she really needs to bring it in that department. But again, maybe ayu was stiff performing live back then, too. I'm still excited to see more, though!

~*Mabushii*~ 24th April 2020 11:31 PM

It's cheesy, and I anticipated as much. I'm actually pretty excited to watch more after the 1st episode!

I think Kalen fits what I felt about Ayu back then, she did seem much stiffer when she was younger, at least from what I remember watching of her younger things. So it's not too awful for me.

truehappiness 25th April 2020 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by visionfactory (Post 3318268)
Sorry but anybody know where is Karen's POWDER SNOW shoot from? Episode 1 or some teaser out there?

When we've seen it, it was an instagram story with a recreation of the ASFXX cover. I think they may have remade most of the Ayu covers up to M at least with Kalen.

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Originally Posted by ~*Mabushii*~ (Post 3318295)
It's cheesy, and I anticipated as much. I'm actually pretty excited to watch more after the 1st episode!

I think Kalen fits what I felt about Ayu back then, she did seem much stiffer when she was younger, at least from what I remember watching of her younger things. So it's not too awful for me.

When she's performing M, it doesn't feel quite right. I think they were trying to recreate the dome tour performance but in a small hall like space?

orbitalaspect 25th April 2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3317901)
About Kalen, emulating someone bigger is a recurrent strategy to introduce a new musician to the mainstream and several bog acts started like that. The pop music public tends to gravitate towards stuff with a sense of familiarity. It's not like Ayu didn't borrowed from other on her eaely days, or that Kalen is the first one modeled after Ayu.

About the Drama, I'm just curious. It seens like it will be so bad its good.

Thank you for throwing your voice in on this. It means a lot that you and I are relatively on the same page about Kalen, if only because, for me, she has really brought back that part of me that got excited for singles, for covers, for PVs. So far, whether short-lived or not, I get a little while to experience J-Pop again like I did 15 years ago when my now-passed best friend first introduced me to Ayu with the "Moments" PV.

Anyway, thank you again, Andrenekoi. I hope you've been well, and I hope everyone on the Discord is doing well too!

PS: Still doing fine here since my su&%*!" attempt in 2018. I haven't had any thoughts since then, and even though I have no one to really talk to (and haven't seen I disappeared from the Discord), I'm doing far better overall mentally. I do, however, miss connecting with you and others in chat, and I owe a lot of my increased thoughtfulness regarding what I say and how I say it to you and others who, regardless of our spats, still treated me like a part of the group on Discord. Thank you!

Andrenekoi 25th April 2020 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3318294)
Really? I thought she was really stiff! I'll give her the benefit of the doubt in that the script isn't that great and maybe ayu really was that stiff back in the day but I can't excuse her lack of stage presence. If she's going to be playing ayu accurately, she really needs to bring it in that department. But again, maybe ayu was stiff performing live back then, too. I'm still excited to see more, though!

Yeah, she is stiff and had like no stage presence xD But I did find she has a nice video presence. I just wish she was written better.

Chibi-Chan 25th April 2020 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3318297)
Thank you for throwing your voice in on this. It means a lot that you and I are relatively on the same page about Kalen, if only because, for me, she has really brought back that part of me that got excited for singles, for covers, for PVs. So far, whether short-lived or not, I get a little while to experience J-Pop again like I did 15 years ago when my now-passed best friend first introduced me to Ayu with the "Moments" PV.

Anyway, thank you again, Andrenekoi. I hope you've been well, and I hope everyone on the Discord is doing well too!

PS: Still doing fine here since my su&%*!" attempt in 2018. I haven't had any thoughts since then, and even though I have no one to really talk to (and haven't seen I disappeared from the Discord), I'm doing far better overall mentally. I do, however, miss connecting with you and others in chat, and I owe a lot of my increased thoughtfulness regarding what I say and how I say it to you and others who, regardless of our spats, still treated me like a part of the group on Discord. Thank you!

Even though I found the first episode horrible, your response really made me tear up. Maybe I'm too emotional at the moment anyway (yeah well, not maybe, definitely lol), but I always loved to hear your thoughts about stuff and actually already missed you in the "30 Day Ayu Challenge". I would really much like to read your thoughts on some of the challenges. In case you would like to, I would be happy if you would stillt join! Of course everyone else is welcome, too! ;)

SunshineSlayer 25th April 2020 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3318294)
Really? I thought she was really stiff! I'll give her the benefit of the doubt in that the script isn't that great and maybe ayu really was that stiff back in the day but I can't excuse her lack of stage presence. If she's going to be playing ayu accurately, she really needs to bring it in that department. But again, maybe ayu was stiff performing live back then, too. I'm still excited to see more, though!

I agree. I didn't think she was charismatic at all. A lot does come down to the script though. Like that scene where she first meets Max, her charisma is supposed to be catching his eye, but the delivery of her lines is just so stiff and stilted like she were literally reading off a script page.

kaled kalil 25th April 2020 06:31 AM

I would blame the director/script and not the actress, honestly. Also, for someone who was marketed as a "hologram/CG" singer, she's actually doing something.

As for the lack of stage presence, as I said she had an aura and some speculation as not being real, as a CG creating, and the only live performance she did since her debut is this:



... which you can barely see her because she's behind dozens of mirrors. She has no stage persona because she's barely a performer still, so putting things into consideration, she's not great, but she's better than I was expecting.

I still haven't watch a full episode, I will wait when it's all over.

Andrenekoi 25th April 2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318304)
I agree. I didn't think she was charismatic at all. A lot does come down to the script though. Like that scene where she first meets Max, her charisma is supposed to be catching his eye, but the delivery of her lines is just so stiff and stilted like she were literally reading off a script page.

I don't think the point in there was much her charisma as it was her nerve. Still, the script take her several places and I have a hard time finding the line that connect all of them as a character. An experiencet actor would have fixed a lot of that by themselves, but experienced actor she is not lol. I don't hold that against her because this wans't meant for an experienced actor in the first place.

I did like her presence... In the sense I wasn't bored or uninterester when the story was focusing on her, what would be like the worst possibility ever for this kind of production...

Now, considering her live performances and she playing Ayu on stage, I would say this is the aspect she suffers the most. Ayu is a hell of a performer, and even when she wasn't ready, she was always able to connect with her audience and put emotion on her singing... 2 stuff this girl surely can't do as successfully.

pedronekoi 25th April 2020 09:06 AM

Karen in fron of A song for xx remake album jacket:

https://twitter.com/ABEMA/status/1250317936838897664

FoxyPinkGirl 25th April 2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318151)
I mean, the book was written based on interviews with her. I don't think she was lying in those interviews in order to give Max a better image, but who knows?

As for the drama, I had fun with it though it is one of the cheesiest things I've ever seen. It's not "good", but fun to watch anyway. What I don't like is them not using the original songs or names of the other artists (Like what's the point of ELT becoming OTF, et cetera? Especially when you are keeping the songs the same). All of the cover versions of the songs just sound cheap and pale in comparison to the originals which is a bad move since it seems Avex wants to use this drama to promote it's younger talent - all it is doing is reminding people how much better the original stuff sounded IMO. At least the M performance was lip synched to Ayu's original; hopefully that continues for all of the Ayu songs.

I thought there was an article in 2013 published confirming there was a romance between Max and Ayu and it stated it was common knowledge in avex...an open secret. Apparently it was reported on by a few sites then

ExodusUK 25th April 2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kaled kalil (Post 3318308)
I would blame the director/script and not the actress, honestly. Also, for someone who was marketed as a "hologram/CG" singer, she's actually doing something.

As for the lack of stage presence, as I said she had an aura and some speculation as not being real, as a CG creating, and the only live performance she did since her debut is this:



... which you can barely see her because she's behind dozens of mirrors. She has no stage persona because she's barely a performer still, so putting things into consideration, she's not great, but she's better than I was expecting.

I still haven't watch a full episode, I will wait when it's all over.

The comments on this video...yikes.

"This is the Ayu we deserve in Japan 2020" :shakehead

~angel*ayumi~ 25th April 2020 10:33 PM

Still no downloadable version with subs?

maxikot 25th April 2020 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ~angel*ayumi~ (Post 3318353)
Still no downloadable version with subs?

You can find a download link on fansubber's page
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-1/

~angel*ayumi~ 25th April 2020 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3318356)
You can find a download link on the fansubber's page
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-1/

Thank you <3

behwatch 26th April 2020 11:45 AM

Episode 2 with eng sub is out!
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-2/

maxikot 27th April 2020 03:30 AM

I had a great time watching this episode. ayu x masa romance was cheesy but in a nice way ^^ The scene with her being happy about the coat and the balloon in the background was somehow sweet to me. I also enjoyed how they show off her resilience as it really is her trait. Oh, and the teacher was a star of this episode. An absolutely brilliant character and the actress doing a fantastic job playing her. This is exactly how I would imagine an eccentric singing teacher. I desperately want to see more or her! I will turn a blind eye (haha) to the villain secretary, this person breaks the flow of everything for me but luckily she is there only for brief moments. In my eyes, Kalen is still very fine and getting better. I enjoy looking at her and while she does lack the stage presence of ayu during the concert parts, but aside from that it's fun to follow her footsteps in this story.

jbrat2219 27th April 2020 05:08 AM

Kalen was definitely better in this episode! I can't wait to see how she evolves as the show continues. I also really like how they play the songs that represent the scene. It gives her lyrics so much context.

Evolution7/4 27th April 2020 05:38 AM

Oh my god this episode had an LOL moment in every scene. :laugh when Ayu got blasted with water LOL
Why is the eye patch secretary giving me TOMIE vibes?!
Is the girl group being put together Dream? Or is it going to be totally fictional?

jbrat2219 27th April 2020 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Evolution7/4 (Post 3318412)
Oh my god this episode had an LOL moment in every scene. :laugh when Ayu got blasted with water LOL
Why is the eye patch secretary giving me TOMIE vibes?!
Is the girl group being put together Dream? Or is it going to be totally fictional.

That teacher was EVERYTHING lol. For some dumb reason for the girl group I thought Super Monkeys! But I think they debuted way before that, right?

RealLight 27th April 2020 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3318409)
I also really like how they play the songs that represent the scene. It gives her lyrics so much context.

Has monochrome been played yet?

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Originally Posted by Evolution7/4 (Post 3318412)
Is the girl group being put together Dream?

!!!!!

jbrat2219 27th April 2020 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RealLight (Post 3318416)
Has monochrome been played yet?

Not that I've noticed.

tokyoxjapanxfan 27th April 2020 09:40 AM

I wondered if it’s Dream too, but they came out of Avex Dream 2000, which started in 1999.

Not that this show is being complete correct with things lol.

Avex really didn’t have many girl groups, so it’s kind of interesting.

Toniayu123 27th April 2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3318409)
Kalen was definitely better in this episode! I can't wait to see how she evolves as the show continues. I also really like how they play the songs that represent the scene. It gives her lyrics so much context.

Yup, it seems as she broke the ice a bit. Still, far from being good.
Although really laughable, I’m digging this show.

Katsuyuki012 27th April 2020 10:32 AM

I really enjoyed the episode. Is it cheesy? Yes, but that's part of why I like it. :'D The whole stuff with "Fly High", the balloon or the coat all probably fall into that category but I like that, it warms my heart. I absolutely loved the teacher! :D They obviously changed the New York/vocal lessons thing (with ayu actually attending properly, the marathon) but I feel like they did a good job using it as a way to show ayu's strength & will power. She often thought about giving up but knew she had to keep going.

Only thing I'm not entirely sold on is Reika (the secretary). In itself, her role is a fitting concept but lines like "I can see her dark future" or the 'be my right eye' are kinda out of place.

Judged by the concert scene, they are giving very clear nods to some of her iconic looks but it doesn't seem like they actually try to re-create any specific performance. It's more for the sake of evoking a feeling of nostalgia within people.

The drama isn't perfect but personally, I'm very happy with the outcome so far.

jiarongisme 27th April 2020 11:43 AM

I feel that the forming of the girl group might be SPEED even though they debuted at 1995. But Dream makes sense too. That said, the timeline for this show is all over the place anyway, so we'll never know for sure :laugh Like why did she already get the iconic 2001 blonde hair before she even released poker face, we'll never know. #choices

Again, another so bad it's good episode. I feel that they're trying to squeeze a lot of things during this episode though! Any idea how many episodes are planned for this?

Seems like they're gonna cover Ayu's debut and her grandmother's death next episode.

Btw, drinking game that Meat Pao and I came up with for this show:

Take a shot for every:

*shing* sound whenever a character is (re)introduced
a victory president’s assistant mindlessly agrees with him
Reika playing with eyepatch/looks into the future
Reika's entrance ominous low piano note plays
Reika being EXTREMELY inappropriate with Masa
Referencing the rainbow
When Masa starts another shouting rampage
Ayu changes hairstyle
Random Ayu song that plays [and is NOT M]
Reference to a has-been avex act

Feel free to add on any cheesy or corny recurring themes in the episodes! We're gonna be so drunk after every episode :laugh

tokyoxjapanxfan 27th April 2020 12:39 PM

^ every time Ayu ends a question with “desuKaA?” Lol

mizuki-7 27th April 2020 12:54 PM

Now that 2 episode has been released I think the comical and over the top aspect of this drama were done in purpose ! They definitely aimed it for younger audiences and considering how it’s a big topic en social media especially on twitter it worked lol

The actress playing the teacher is amazing she makes me laugh so much lol
Btw the real teacher of Ayu back then Harada Mayumi reacted on her blog about how she was portrayed in the book and it seems like she was a bit angry to be described as a tyrannical teacher while it was not really the case. Notheless she understands that a part of it is fictional. She said that young Ayu was so grown up/ mature and a wise child.

//ABEST 27th April 2020 01:52 PM

i think the second episode was not as good as the first but i'm not still losing interest of the drama. as mizuki-7 said, that over the top acting etc seems to be on purpose and it's kinda hilarious. although I personally would love this series to show ayu more strong and independent, now she seems to do everything for max / because of max and the character is just a puppet Max is turning into a diamond. yes it's a drama but this shows Max as a hero and Ayu as an weak person

I wonder how far trainees are really forced to go in real life until they get their debuts. they show the hard training camp in NYC and that ridiculous runs just to have a chance to debut. I bet they won't go that far in real life but as we seen in KPOP, people are really going far and beyond just to have a debut. I actually wouldn't be surprised if big companys like avex (a victory) made people to run 10km and then have a debut like they did in series

pedronekoi 27th April 2020 04:29 PM

I thought the girlband could be maybe MAX?

voltron 27th April 2020 04:55 PM

^ That wouldn't really make sense though, given their Supermonkeys start - they weren't really peers to Ayu in that sense, they were already well established. Obviously there's creative license, but that just doesn't seem like the right fit.

Diego-kun 27th April 2020 05:08 PM

I loved the first episode but the second has taken a direction I'm not sure about...

Putting aside the usual cheesy flaws and the over the top acting, everything was fine until the trainee camp part. How come they send Ayu to NY with an exclusive top trainer, but then they have the same woman back to train a bunch of random wannabes? Who in their right mind would force someone with a dislocated shoulder to run a marathon carrying 10 bottles of water? I understand the show wants to portray Ayu as a really strong girl who would do anything not to let Masa down but there must be a limit.

AmyRoseM 27th April 2020 10:09 PM

Y’all, I haven’t posted in 500 years but I am LIVING for this drama!!! It’s just so fun. This is something I never thought we’d get. It’s definitely not perfect but I’m here for it! : )

I was expecting Max to encourage Ayu to start writing lyrics in New York. Isn’t that when she started doing that?

ExodusUK 27th April 2020 10:15 PM

I really don't enjoy how the show presents Ayu as some silly sap. I can't really buy Kalen as a "rough diamond chosen by the gods" — Ayu yes that's evident but Kalen plays Ayu like an android cafe waifu hostess with the charisma of a microwaved apple.

Though no doubt we're going to be expected to swallow that someone so meek with little to nothing to say in show — will go on to pen her first album with songs like A Song For. I can imagine the scene now

Masa with a *fist full of papers with Ayu's lyrics* "Who write this?" AYU WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?"
Ayu "I-i-i *clutches diary close to chest"
Masa "Ayu chan it's a miracle you write such introspective lyrics beyond your years"
Ayu "I just close my eyes and the lyrics come to me"
Masa "The gods have destined it for you"
Ayu "^__^ *nods*"

Thinking about it, maybe the little dialogue for the Ayu character is probably a design choice to accommodate for Kalen's acting ability?

voltron 27th April 2020 10:23 PM

Ayu's real story is pretty amazing in a lot of ways, but it lacks some "pizzazz" - which is where this drama is coming in. I enjoy it when I separate it from the reality of her, and just appreciate it for goofy entertainment.

That said, I think for certain audiences, this will start to blend with the real Ayu - even the fake parts. It's partially re-writing her history, but also in a somewhat relatable and favorable way. Oh, this girl was bullied so badly, but look how she came through it! Nobody believed she could do it, and wow she did! She never gave up, even when anybody in their right mind should have - how did she run with that sprained arm? (Alluding to her hearing loss, etc.).

If you look at Namie, for example, once she started to increase in popularity again, it became about erasing the negatively perceived parts of her persona. She had tattoos removed and covered up. She never discussed her shotgun wedding, child, or divorce. She was very deliberate in her image and what she did (and did not) put out there. I think there's a lot of similarity here, just that Ayu isn't necessarily the one driving all of this (to our knowledge).

Andrenekoi 28th April 2020 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 3318457)
Ayu's real story is pretty amazing in a lot of ways, but it lacks some "pizzazz" - which is where this drama is coming in. I enjoy it when I separate it from the reality of her, and just appreciate it for goofy entertainment.

That said, I think for certain audiences, this will start to blend with the real Ayu - even the fake parts. It's partially re-writing her history, but also in a somewhat relatable and favorable way. Oh, this girl was bullied so badly, but look how she came through it! Nobody believed she could do it, and wow she did! She never gave up, even when anybody in their right mind should have - how did she run with that sprained arm? (Alluding to her hearing loss, etc.).

If you look at Namie, for example, once she started to increase in popularity again, it became about erasing the negatively perceived parts of her persona. She had tattoos removed and covered up. She never discussed her shotgun wedding, child, or divorce. She was very deliberate in her image and what she did (and did not) put out there. I think there's a lot of similarity here, just that Ayu isn't necessarily the one driving all of this (to our knowledge).

I wouldn't be surprised if she is on it aswell... Her early interviews always hinted she went through some shady stuff before making it, and she is frequently trying to clean her image up since. She always comes across as lot more stubborn, headstrong and defiant on pretty much every gossip about behind the scenes dreama than she is being shown on the drama.

SunshineSlayer 28th April 2020 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318456)
I really don't enjoy how the show presents Ayu as some silly sap. I can't really buy Kalen as a "rough diamond chosen by the gods" — Ayu yes that's evident but Kalen plays Ayu like an android cafe waifu hostess with the charisma of a microwaved apple.

Though no doubt we're going to be expected to swallow that someone so meek with little to nothing to say in show — will go on to pen her first album with songs like A Song For. I can imagine the scene now

Masa with a *fist full of papers with Ayu's lyrics* "Who write this?" AYU WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?"
Ayu "I-i-i *clutches diary close to chest"
Masa "Ayu chan it's a miracle you write such introspective lyrics beyond your years"
Ayu "I just close my eyes and the lyrics come to me"
Masa "The gods have destined it for you"
Ayu "^__^ *nods*"

Thinking about it, maybe the little dialogue for the Ayu character is probably a design choice to accommodate for Kalen's acting ability?

Actually, I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Ayu's writing seeming lackluster or amateur at first, but with Max's encouragement, it becomes amazing. :rolleyes Again, attributing her success more to Max than to some innate ability that Ayu has.

I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well.

Toniayu123 28th April 2020 09:06 PM

Btw, on the book it is acknowledged that she was singing before meeting Max. She mentions she is releasing the album (nothing from nothing) on the supposed first meet at the disco.
Idk, while the book seems targeted to a more mature audience the drama looks like the complete opposite.

primavera♥ 29th April 2020 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318456)
I really don't enjoy how the show presents Ayu as some silly sap. I can't really buy Kalen as a "rough diamond chosen by the gods" — Ayu yes that's evident but Kalen plays Ayu like an android cafe waifu hostess with the charisma of a microwaved apple.

Though no doubt we're going to be expected to swallow that someone so meek with little to nothing to say in show — will go on to pen her first album with songs like A Song For. I can imagine the scene now

Masa with a *fist full of papers with Ayu's lyrics* "Who write this?" AYU WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?"
Ayu "I-i-i *clutches diary close to chest"
Masa "Ayu chan it's a miracle you write such introspective lyrics beyond your years"
Ayu "I just close my eyes and the lyrics come to me"
Masa "The gods have destined it for you"
Ayu "^__^ *nods*"

Thinking about it, maybe the little dialogue for the Ayu character is probably a design choice to accommodate for Kalen's acting ability?

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318467)
Actually, I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Ayu's writing seeming lackluster or amateur at first, but with Max's encouragement, it becomes amazing. :rolleyes Again, attributing her success more to Max than to some innate ability that Ayu has.

I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well.

This and this.

Kalen's lack of acting skills really don't help. I think what makes it more difficult is that she doesn't feel like ayu at all, and it seems her character just wasn't written that way. She trudges through the lines, but her as ayu is one of the least compelling characters. Whenever they reenact the lives, she looks dead. Like I don't understand lol.

Anyway, I'm also not a fan of the way they center Masa. Romance-wise, I get it, but the way ayu is depicted in comparison is sad.

I do think ayu's story is dark and interesting enough to have a compelling serious show. But thats not what they were going for here of course. Shame though, would've been cool

In the meantime, I'll be interested to see where they go with this. It's still fun to watch as a fan, so I look forward to new episodes weekly.

ayu_fantasy 30th April 2020 12:07 PM

It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

ExodusUK 30th April 2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 3318596)
It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

In the book, Ayu describes the girls as gossips at the Avex camp she attended after returning from New York. The breaking of the shoulder, tripping and everything else is just a dramatisation — as a result of the made up Masa assistant character.

truehappiness 1st May 2020 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 3318596)
It's a pretty fun drama to watch though. without putting the real ayu in picture. May i check with you guys, that the girls who bullied ayu before ayu debuted, is it something that happened in real life? I guess ayu have never mentioned it explicitly rite?

The script was embellished a lot to make it more of a drama. Some characters were probably also created because of that general notion from promoters/TV execs/etc. The book itself was already sort of "what is truth? what is fiction?" and then the drama got a lot of free rein on things to add to keep things 'interesting'. I think the guy who wrote the script is normally a comedian that sometimes produces/writes for dramas or other TV programs.

visionfactory 1st May 2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3318433)
I wonder how far trainees are really forced to go in real life until they get their debuts. they show the hard training camp in NYC and that ridiculous runs just to have a chance to debut. I bet they won't go that far in real life but as we seen in KPOP, people are really going far and beyond just to have a debut. I actually wouldn't be surprised if big companys like avex (a victory) made people to run 10km and then have a debut like they did in series

The little information I got on this is that Avex training is not that intense/in-depth. Years ago a documentary of Avex group Dream was aired. Some of the topics of it was the intense training they have to do after 7 years of performing with Avex to debut with the new agency LDH. At the time of re-debuting with LDH they noticed that even if they were experienced performers they lacked the abilities to do so. They even pointed a certain member who at time of re-debuting had null dancing ability. They showed video footage and it was pretty funny.

pedronekoi 2nd May 2020 07:47 PM

Because of Corona, they can't continue the shooting for the dorama so, apparently, it will be stopped for a while.

Andrenekoi 2nd May 2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318467)
Actually, I have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Ayu's writing seeming lackluster or amateur at first, but with Max's encouragement, it becomes amazing. :rolleyes Again, attributing her success more to Max than to some innate ability that Ayu has.

I'm enjoying the drama and think it's fun though. I just probably would have preferred something a bit more grounded and serious I guess? I feel like the actual story is darker and more serious than this, but oh well.

Even if this does help put Max in a good light, wouldn't it also be in line with how japanese "hero" narratives usually works?

In the sense that western narrative usually presents someone with big inherent powers (or talents, in this case) they must learn to use, while japanese narratives usually presents how people develop such powers/talents through hard work and resiliance?

Zeke. 2nd May 2020 10:50 PM

I’ve been reading about the Japanese word “べき (beki)”, as in the context of ayus lyrics for M, I always felt it held a nuanced weight. In Japanese you’re taught it means “should” but in this case it feels awkward to translate it as such. I started reading this breakdown https://goiryoku.net/subeki-surubeki, and as I was doing so, I got the sense it can correlate with having somewhat of a sense of duty of doing something. Sure enough, it does point that nuance out as a use case and provides and example.

I think the word “reverence” really captures this best, but also “allegiance” “responsibility” and “obligation.”

I think this is very interesting because it explains why Ayu is wearing a wedding dress in the video and single cover, and also why she performs it in a wedding dress. Becoming a bride, getting married, it represents a vow - a duty one thereafter feels they have a responsibility to uphold (a duty they accepted and agreed to). Also consider the fact that MARIA represents Mother Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver Christ unto the Earth, who as a result must have held an immense sense of revere for God in choosing her.

This makes complete sense in the context of Max, as it is to him she owes her rise to fame (not saying she didn’t have talent, but it took HIM and his belief in her to get the world to see that). I think she recognizes that, and it’s no surprise the way she interpreted thanking him was through loving him.

“M—there’s someone I love reverently...”
“M—having someone I am devout in loving....”

voltron 3rd May 2020 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3318743)
Also consider the fact that MARIA represents Mother Mary, who was chosen by God to deliver Christ unto the Earth, who as a result must have held an immense sense of revere for God in choosing her.

I don't remember where it was, but I'm pretty sure in an article or interview she said it was Mary Magdalene, not Mother Mary.

visionfactory 3rd May 2020 06:32 AM

Episode 2 was a bit slow :( looking forward to Episode 3!

edit: wow Episode 3 looks so good so far! waiting for the subs :D

Machiko 4th May 2020 05:25 PM

Episode 3 with subs is out!
https://blitzfansub.com/m-ai-subeki-...ite-episode-3/

attractive nausea 4th May 2020 11:03 PM

The third episode was a lot more cringy to watch imo, why does Kalen makes Ayu look and sound so stupid?

Evolution7/4 4th May 2020 11:12 PM

This episode was MEH for me but nice to hear the full version of We Can't Stop This - the verses are sooo good and classic J-pop.

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 01:19 AM

the bit where the lyrics for ASFXX flew out from the page...lol x

jbrat2219 5th May 2020 06:50 AM

Spoiler:
Avex President: "What if Ayu doesn't sell?!"

Me: HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Honestly, I thought Kalen was a tad better and had a bit more fire that I'm used to seeing from Ayu. Glad to see she's improving. And although I don't give Max all the credit for Ayu's success, it's hard to imagine what her career would have looked like without him behind her.

Diego-kun 5th May 2020 12:32 PM

I'm curious! Does anyone know if A Song for XX was really the first song Ayu wrote? It's hard to know when the drama mixes real events and fiction so easily...

Toniayu123 5th May 2020 03:13 PM

^ on the book it is presented as so

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 03:22 PM

I think Ayu said before Friend is the first song she wrote before her debut but we know that even Ayu herself is a bit of a history revisionist.

Katsuyuki012 5th May 2020 03:30 PM

When it comes down to it, the very first song she wrote is LIMIT in 1995 but of course that's pre-avex...

Toniayu123 5th May 2020 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318869)
I think Ayu said before Friend is the first song she wrote before her debut but we know that even Ayu herself is a bit of a history revisionist.

Lol true

She wrote the songs on nothing from nothing too?

Katsuyuki012 5th May 2020 03:53 PM

^only LIMIT, the rest was written by Dohzi–T

jbrat2219 5th May 2020 06:43 PM

Lol not surprised, LIMIT is the only song I like from that album.

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 08:35 PM

shame masa's site with the translations of interviews is offline now http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/e-ayu.html

Katsuyuki012 5th May 2020 08:37 PM

^Here: http://morimasa.art.coocan.jp/e-ayu.html

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsuyuki012 (Post 3318893)

amazing!

let's all save a copy to preserve for future generations

jbrat2219 5th May 2020 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Katsuyuki012 (Post 3318893)

Thank you! I was wondering where this went!

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 08:54 PM

Also the way Ayu is portrayed in this show is really annoying..I remember Ayu saying she listened to what felt like 100 demos in order to put ASFXX together but the drama would leave you to believe that it was Max handpicking everything for dummy Ayu.

This part is interesting from Masa's analysis of ASFXX in hindsight of the book's release
On January 1 1999, she released her first album "A Song for XX" with expectation and uneasiness, which ranked first for five consecutive weeks in Oricon Chart and recorded sales of more than one million copies. Quite a remarkable starting that she herself never had expected. I wrote "for once" a little time ago, but if her life had not changed a lot after that, her next album would have been the continuation of "A Song for XX". (I call it the second album not created.) But things went differently. The single song "WHATEVER" released in February that year was filled with suffering, as had never been before, and the second album released in November became much different from the first album in feature. Did something happened? -- I suppose that she lost love around this time, just before or after the release of her first album, and that the experience ended her adolescence unexpectedly and made her impossible to write such lyrics as she had written before.

jbrat2219 5th May 2020 08:59 PM

I honestly don't think Kalen has the ability to be ayu as she really was. She may have slightly improved but her baseline is as expressive as a corpse, so....

Toniayu123 5th May 2020 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318898)
Also the way Ayu is portrayed in this show is really annoying..I remember Ayu saying she listened to what felt like 100 demos in order to put ASFXX together but the drama would leave you to believe that it was Max handpicking everything for dummy Ayu.

This.

I seriously dislike max character. It’s annoying af, always with that feeling of superiority, always screaming, always angry. Eew.

Not saying Ayu was the queen of creativity all by herself, but this whole history is making her look like a puppet. A talented puppet, but still. No, I won’t stop complaining. Lol

maxikot 5th May 2020 10:18 PM

I approach this drama at a distance, pick up on things that sound familiar and just enjoy the narration they build. It's fiction based on reality, ayu's story serves as the ground for the story but there obviously are changes. Having such a mindset, I enjoyed episode 3 with a few teary moments here and there. The chemistry between ayu and masa feels nice to me. In this drama, she is a complete newbie and as such needs a guidance which he provides very well. Of course, in reality ayu was more independent/stronger than one might think based on the drama. However, I don't think it's that bad. It's still very clear that ayu does have talent, e.g. when Max praises her lyrics. I only found her bullying moment a bit too much. I think the real ayu would've stood up for herself. Then the running and crying piece also wasn't great. So this plus Reika... oh gosh this (yurusanaaaaaaaai) should become a popular meme. I'll keep pretending this character is not there haha. And the grandma moment was so sad 😥 Kalen has been improving from one episode to another so I am looking forward to seeing more... but now we don't know when it continues airing :/ I really hope it's rather sooner than later.

ExodusUK 5th May 2020 11:50 PM

Is the president character based on Tom Yoda?

hud 6th May 2020 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3318869)
I think Ayu said before Friend is the first song she wrote before her debut but we know that even Ayu herself is a bit of a history revisionist.

yup I think she said before she wrote and recorded FRIEND before all of the other songs from ASFXX

SunshineSlayer 6th May 2020 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3318836)
The third episode was a lot more cringy to watch imo, why does Kalen makes Ayu look and sound so stupid?

Honestly, when Ayu debuted, she did indeed sound stupid. It was part of her persona. Her pattern of speech was so slow and nasally. I always thought it was a bit of an act though; Kalen plays it as though Ayu was like that both on and off camera.

Shirayuki 6th May 2020 05:59 AM

I am really enjoying the drama because it makes me remember the Ayu that I became a fan of. I'm looking forward to the next episodes. I wonder how much of what we see is based on reality and what is fiction?

Andrenekoi 6th May 2020 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3318918)
Honestly, when Ayu debuted, she did indeed sound stupid. It was part of her persona. Her pattern of speech was so slow and nasally. I always thought it was a bit of an act though; Kalen plays it as though Ayu was like that both on and off camera.

I vaguely remember she saying/sugesting it was indeed an act on that Time Magazine special... But I read that over 10 years ago and may be remembering that totally wrong.

mizuki-7 6th May 2020 08:33 AM

Obviously she was acting that way on purpose if we look to old footage she didn’t sound dumb at all ... she was taking the time to choose her words but it’s nothing like in her Avex debut and she quickly stopped speaking like that when people began to say she was dumb and slow in mind. She kept the nasally tones while speaking as an Ayu trading mark but that’s it. Her debuts were really formatted if you asked me.

visionfactory 6th May 2020 09:47 AM

I'm falling in love with Max character, also the couple is lovely

Is he an actor or idol?

maxikot 6th May 2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by visionfactory (Post 3318943)
I'm falling in love with Max character, also the couple is lovely

Is he an actor or idol?

Definitely an actor and I agree with your every word :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shohei_Miura

visionfactory 6th May 2020 12:31 PM

^Thank youu!

You can access "ayu's phone" by clicking this link on your phone
https://a-victory.jp/

I'm the 65,622nd visitor!
Wait a seconds to get a call from Masa :)

There is also a mail box with "private mails" I can't read!


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