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extepan 10th February 2008 06:34 AM

550k is not a good number for ayu. avex needs to do more promotion.

ayumixfan 10th February 2008 11:43 AM

^lol O_O They did so much for her already XD! lol I Don't think its possible to promote GUILTY anymore than this XD

AyuGAME 10th February 2008 11:53 AM

^i agree..but i think avex need to think other strategy to promote her...more creative and create a new innovation

ayumixfan 10th February 2008 11:55 AM

^ lol thats true =)! Change can always be useful, especially with a change of music =D

roanmy 10th February 2008 12:52 PM

Has Ayu done any live performances for this album? At all?

Except for the singles...

ayumixfan 10th February 2008 12:54 PM

^ Wasn't CDL live suppose to be the live perf? =S

WillofDusk 10th February 2008 12:58 PM

there hasnt been any tv performances
Yea if you mention that, that's kinda weird when she doesnt perform any song on tv for the album tracks like last year (JEWEL and 1LOVE)
This year is just together when... but its a single and that doenst count

TITANIC 10th February 2008 01:58 PM

i think they must give more stuff and bonus like kuu.. maybe it will increase the sales

kournikova 10th February 2008 02:31 PM

it would be too uncommon for ayumi to release with a lot of bonuses, let alone 16 new vclips + 16 tracks....... the way kingdom pvs are mostly underbudgeted for a vclip..... so I think avex's decision on ayu is still right... its just... she isnt there and she needs to make something special like a huge smashing hits "SEASON" or "M", If she releases one single like that, believe me.. she'll be back and selling like crazy

Aggar 10th February 2008 02:40 PM

^^ yeah , she don't need to give a lot of bonuses . . she just need to do songs like "M"

TITANIC 10th February 2008 03:19 PM

beside she need to realese great song, they need to give more bonus for fans..
it'll increase the sales..

Aggar 10th February 2008 03:33 PM

hmm . . actually I don't care about the sales . . what I care is her popularity . . I just want her to be famous again like 2002 or her old days :D

TITANIC 10th February 2008 03:37 PM

^ dont worry about her popularity..
in asia, her name and hikki is the most influence... :D

i dun care how much it has been sold, i juz care about the chart position

Aggar 10th February 2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1331970)
^ dont worry about her popularity..
in asia, her name and hikki is the most influence... :D

i dun care how much it has been sold, i juz care about the chart position

:hi5
good idea

Minttulatte 10th February 2008 03:50 PM

I think Ayu should re-release A Song for XX this year or next. Or at least re-arrange/release poker face, because it's her first single. I'd really like to hear that as a remade version. I'm sure it will sound awesome. <3

And about what she should do to sell better; release albums as CD Only, CD+DVD and CD+2DVD like Koda Kumi, or make some new themes for TV dramas like Hikki did with her Flavor of Life song. :3 I would like these both ideas a lot, it would work fine. :)

But I don't really care about the sales or position or her fame, because I'm sure people does respect Ayu even if her sales are less than 100,000 per album nowadays. I think, for her, selling over 500,000 is awesome thing. :> She's not selling as bad as I thought she would be. But she's still Ayu, even she doesn't sell over a million per album like in 1999-2004 she did. ^^

njanjayrp 10th February 2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggar (Post 1331967)
hmm . . actually I don't care about the sales . . what I care is her popularity . . I just want her to be famous again like 2002 or her old days :D

Only a HUGE miracle can make her as popular as she was in 2001/2002, and it's nearly impossible. I guess that if she performed the new song in shows, it would sell a bit better, I doubt more than 20~30 k better tough. I don't want to see Ayu release an album that has more bonuses than actual good songs, those bonuses aren't helping neither Dong Bang Shin Ki nor Kumi to sell much more than they actually would considering their current levels of popularity. Sure it's nice to have a best of album with extras, but studio albums should be about songs, and I like the fact that people like Ayu, Hikki and Shimatani are putting the music in the first place.

Aggar 10th February 2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1332062)
Only a HUGE miracle can make her as popular as she was in 2001/2002, and it's nearly impossible. I guess that if she performed the new song in shows, it would sell a bit better, I doubt more than 20~30 k better tough. I don't want to see Ayu release an album that has more bonuses than actual good songs, those bonuses aren't helping neither Dong Bang Shin Ki nor Kumi to sell much more than they actually would considering their current levels of popularity. Sure it's nice to have a best of album with extras, but studio albums should be about songs, and I like the fact that people like Ayu, Hikki and Shimatani are putting the music in the first place.

yeah . . you are right :yes

tourniquet 10th February 2008 07:27 PM

no more bonuses. ever.

it's getting ridiculous. I don't want to pay 5000 yen each time I want an album.

and sales are ok at this point. look at what LOVE PiECE sold to date.

Jwiz 10th February 2008 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyuGAME (Post 1331776)
^i agree..but i think avex need to think other strategy to promote her...more creative and create a new innovation

absolutely agree with ya...avex should put in more effort in generating creative strategy to promote ayu..like how much effort they've done in coming out new strategies each time to promote koda.

njanjayrp 10th February 2008 11:59 PM

If there was a thing I'd like her to do, is a short movie for A Song For XX ~ And then XD, the first part could reflect Ayu's childhood, the 2nd her falling in love and changing her mind, about running away alone, and well it would be nice if there would be at least another one to conclude the story XD. And soo nice to at least release a SPECIAL standalone DVD with newly recorded PVs of the old songs (the ones that had no PV or just the CMs), though that will probably never happen.

Amai Yume 11th February 2008 12:38 AM

I agree about the DVD with PVs of songs without PVs previously released. She could do like 1 / 2 songs per album from A Song For XX to GUILTY!

A Song For XX -> As If... / SIGNAL
Rainbow -> Over / Heartplace
MY STORY -> Replace
(miss)understood -> Will / In The Corner (which nobody else but me wants :D )
Secret -> kiss o' kill / Secret
GUILTY -> MY ALL

It could be like 10 PVs for her 10th anniversary. Of course I am missing a couple of albums because I'm missing them so I don't know what tracks to pick but this would be perfect for me.

But I guess making 10 PVs is a lot of work and probably too much to expect of our Ayu. I mean we'll probably have another single in the summer to start the next era!

ayumixfan 11th February 2008 03:59 AM

^ lol I like In the Corner =)! I wouldn't mind a pv for it either ^__^ UR NEVER ALONE WHEN IT COMES TO LIKING AYU SONGS ^______^ lol!

TITANIC 11th February 2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HJeweL (Post 1332126)
absolutely agree with ya...avex should put in more effort in generating creative strategy to promote ayu..like how much effort they've done in coming out new strategies each time to promote koda.

she need to realese greatest song also like M, boys&girls, evolution, seasons, who..so i think the sales will great again...
like they said before

ayumixfan 12th February 2008 06:06 AM

^ I think ayu needs to go back to hardcore pop XD! lol B&G was to die for! lol! But I guess it won't happen anytime soon due to her love for rock T__T! If she can release another good pop hit. I am sure Ayu can sell millions again. =)!

TITANIC 12th February 2008 02:00 PM

any info abot 7th week sales??
7th week sales count end on today

Jwiz 12th February 2008 05:51 PM

5269 is till holding #2 O_O ...it will overtake Kingdom's postion sooner or later =(

Kouichi 12th February 2008 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1333685)
any info abot 7th week sales??
7th week sales count end on today

I only know that's #40 on weekly chart, but i dont know about the sales

Lee_Hamasaki 12th February 2008 08:24 PM

1952 is INSANE!!! next week it'll surpass kingdom O_o

brener 12th February 2008 10:06 PM

anyway, does anybody have the sales of this week?

>D

ayumisrael 12th February 2008 10:07 PM

Only tomorrow, meanwhile we only know it's #40.

minkAYuko 12th February 2008 10:33 PM

mmh.. so it's selling well right?

cool! n_n

Ayumiko 12th February 2008 10:54 PM

kobukuro is crazy...that's all I can say...


minkAYuko: your avatar is soo cute XD

minkAYuko 12th February 2008 11:19 PM

^ thanks! :P

Kouichi 13th February 2008 12:08 AM

Mmm the #30 sold 6,478... so i think ayu sold nearly

tokyoxjapanxfan 13th February 2008 01:08 AM

whoever said go back to die hard pop, im with 100%. whats all this rock stuff, she is a jPOP artist xD i need more happy songs -__- like angel's song :d god i love that song :)

ayumixfan 13th February 2008 01:18 AM

^ Agreeeeeeeed (even tho I made the statement XD)! What happened to the JPOP T___T! She's becoming a j-rock artist =(! Which makes me sad ToT I love angel song too =D! The lyrics are so sad tho XD! even if it has a upbeat tune XD

Kashoku 13th February 2008 01:53 AM

God...she's not rock. Do you people even listen to rock? I can show you some real rock. Trust me.

ayumixfan 13th February 2008 02:01 AM

^ she's moving into it tho =S and its reallly showing.. Sure its not PURE rock but the rock influences are REALLY noticable. It wasn't like in MY Story where there were only a few tracks with rock influences. The whole album has a really big rock influence. =(! Itss not that bad tho. I'm going to buy the album anyways but I just really prefer her pure pop stuff like BlueBird or Immature and I'd really like her to sing mroe songs like that =)!

minkAYuko 13th February 2008 02:50 AM

^ She's been doing her Pop-rock for ages!... just think about "end of the world", that's the direction her music took years ago if you are and old ayu fan it was a gradual process.

and I agree with Kashoku she's far from being "rock", I always tell this to a friend who can't stand ayu's "rock" music... he says it's to heavy for him (he prefers ballads lol) but really!! the closest she's been to "rock" was with "hummin 7/4" :P. ayu does.. Heavy Pop! lol.

Kikaru 13th February 2008 03:29 AM

The closest thing Ayu have to real rock is either Talkin' 2 myself or Humming 7/4, or maybe 1 love. I would say it's probably more pop with an edgier arrangement, because the composition of the songs are still pop fundamentally.

I like her rock-influenced songs way more than her pop songs, because although I think her pop songs are catchier initially, they hold less replay value (there's a few exceptions, like immature, Ourselves, Surreal, and Angel's Song).

I don't mind if Ayu just sells around 500K every album, because then she gets to make the music she wants to make (like while her singles are more mainstream, her album songs seems more experimental) and not have to worry about selling huge.

Jwiz 13th February 2008 05:04 AM

im looking forward to see other sides of ayu.

Kouichi 13th February 2008 12:32 PM

Weekly: #40
Sales: 4,371

Total Sales: 554,392

AyuGAME 13th February 2008 12:34 PM

^thanks for the update...i really hope that this album can sales 600k

ayumisrael 13th February 2008 12:49 PM

Today GUILTY is #44, not a big drop in position at all!
Usually after an album of ayu is 40 it drops out off the top 80 or even 100 but it looks like GUILTY can have another week on top 50!

ayumixfan 13th February 2008 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minkAYuko (Post 1334311)
^ She's been doing her Pop-rock for ages!... just think about "end of the world", that's the direction her music took years ago if you are and old ayu fan it was a gradual process.

and I agree with Kashoku she's far from being "rock", I always tell this to a friend who can't stand ayu's "rock" music... he says it's to heavy for him (he prefers ballads lol) but really!! the closest she's been to "rock" was with "hummin 7/4" :P. ayu does.. Heavy Pop! lol.

lol i know its gradual =) but like t2m was just O_O! lol It was REALLY gradual before so I didn't mind but now its so noticable T__T! lol I guess u guys do have ur point tho about how she's not that rock influenced yet =P but still XD! I prefer her super pop music XD! Tho I have to admit I still liek some of her rock influenced songs =x Just not as much XD except t2m/decision and humming 7/4, GAME. I HATE those songs XD

GUILTY is charting pretty well =O!

TITANIC 13th February 2008 02:34 PM

hmm guilty drop a half from last week..
i hope it can sell good and kingdom cant surpass GUILTY.but i seems very hard

Teyla 13th February 2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kouichi (Post 1334597)
Weekly: #40
Sales: 4,371

Total Sales: 554,392

hope it can reach 600k

TITANIC 13th February 2008 02:50 PM

^.hmm it's hard to reach 600K...
ayumisrael : if we want search top 40 or 50 or 100, which icon i must click????
i usually see daily until top 20 and weekly top 30

Jwiz 13th February 2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1334648)
hmm guilty drop a half from last week..
i hope it can sell good and kingdom cant surpass GUILTY.but i seems very hard

kingdom will most likely surpass GUILTY. GUILTY is now at #44 and Kingdom is still at #5..so it means that it's sales index is increasing at a much faster rate than GUILTY and moreover Kingdom is only 50k from GUILTY...so..yea; it can surpass..but it will not do that well in the album charts either.

However im already satisfied with how well GUILTY is doing now..it has decent sales and i hope that it will break 600k :P

4ever*ayu 13th February 2008 11:46 PM

exceed 550k! Great sales!

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1334663)
ayumisrael : if we want search top 40 or 50 or 100, which icon i must click????
i usually see daily until top 20 and weekly top 30

yea, which icon??

ayumisrael 14th February 2008 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HJeweL (Post 1334850)
kingdom will most likely surpass GUILTY. GUILTY is now at #44 and Kingdom is still at #4..so it means that it's sales index is increasing at a much faster rate than GUILTY and moreover Kingdom is only 50k from GUILTY...so..yea; it can surpass..but it will not do that well in the album charts either.

However im already satisfied with how well GUILTY is doing now..it has decent sales and i hope that it will break 600k :P

Kingdom today was #5 =P lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1334663)
^.hmm it's hard to reach 600K...
ayumisrael : if we want search top 40 or 50 or 100, which icon i must click????
i usually see daily until top 20 and weekly top 30

I don't know either I get only weekly sales of all positions =\

namiie 14th February 2008 03:58 AM

Yeah, I'm sticking with my original estimate of Guilty selling about 600k by the end of the year. It will probably stop its chart run there....I don't think it's very likely that it will even past 650k.

v3lun420 14th February 2008 04:19 AM

just wonder, do they count overseas sales? If they do, is it already included in that 550k?

njanjayrp 14th February 2008 10:34 AM

NO, the overseas sales are probably bigger, might have even reached a million by now. Or at least close to a million. But I guess we'll never know for sure. And I am happy with GUILTY's sales, I mean "even" KINGDOM isn't going to sell more than 800 k at this rate, which means that Ku's sales dropped by half XD in a year. Which means she is fallowing the BoA pattern, which means she isn't gonna be POP for a long time, while AYU is still going strong after all these years.

Jwiz 14th February 2008 11:33 AM

^ yea..i agree...im abit surprised that kingdom's sales index dropped so fast though. ( maybe it's due to the scandal, leading to lack of promotion )

TITANIC 14th February 2008 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v3lun420 (Post 1335367)
just wonder, do they count overseas sales? If they do, is it already included in that 550k?

nope...
i think including Overseas sales will sell more than secret...
as we know from wikipedia, secret overseas sold 2 million copies...but it's not very accurate

AyuGAME 14th February 2008 05:34 PM

^REALLY?!! where did you get that info? i really doubt that secret overseas version sold 2 million copies, i think it will be around 200-250k copies...

Jwiz 15th February 2008 08:16 AM

^ nah..it will definitely be more than 250k as ayu has strong fanbase from taiwan, china, hk and many other countries.

TITANIC 15th February 2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyuGAME (Post 1335976)
^REALLY?!! where did you get that info? i really doubt that secret overseas version sold 2 million copies, i think it will be around 200-250k copies...

i saw from wikipedia..
but it seems not very accurate..
now they've deleted

somethinglost 16th February 2008 07:56 PM

554,000 is pretty good! ;D

AyuXGuiltyXHamasaki 16th February 2008 10:09 PM

Yay!!!! Good job Ayu!!!! Love GUILTY!!!

truehappiness 17th February 2008 01:03 PM

31 29 44 48 -- 39↓43 浜崎あゆみ 「GUILTY」

Trajectories for this week.

It dropped 4 places.

ayumisrael 17th February 2008 01:07 PM

Another top 50 week for GUILTY! yay!

TITANIC 17th February 2008 01:13 PM

seems this week GUILTY still in top 50..
congratz

Teyla 17th February 2008 02:59 PM

that's good :)

njanjayrp 18th February 2008 04:03 PM

btw, wiki.theppn says that the album sold :

* Total Reported Sales: 554,392*
* Total Reported Sales (Taiwan):427,887* (G-Music)
* Total Reported Sales (Singapore):78,660*

now I am pretty sure the Taiwanese sales are a bit too big, for Taiwan, so can someone actually confirm this XD

TITANIC 18th February 2008 04:08 PM

^ WHATTTTTTTTT
in taiwan GUILTY sell more than 400K?

japan has 126million population and taiwan only has 20million population
OMG..
she is very famous in taiwan..but i'm not sure about the source

njanjayrp 18th February 2008 04:27 PM

Exactly, the numbers seem wrong (not that I wouldn't like it, but it doesn't seem real) ^^

ayu_fan929 18th February 2008 04:59 PM

I think Taiwan's numbers are fake. The past 2-3 years, the highest selling album there was ~250-300k and I think (m)u sold around 80k there.

Teyla 18th February 2008 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1340520)
btw, wiki.theppn says that the album sold :

* Total Reported Sales (Taiwan):427,887* (G-Music)

It would be great but I think it's fake...

Peger 18th February 2008 06:58 PM

Taiwan sales are probably closer to 25-30k.

truehappiness 18th February 2008 11:00 PM

29 44 48 -- 39 43↑38 浜崎あゆみ 「GUILTY」

GUILTY went up 4 places yesterday to 38.

ayumisrael 18th February 2008 11:02 PM

Another week on the top 50 then!

Ayumiko 18th February 2008 11:40 PM

Yesterday when I went to cdjapan, Guilty cd only version was in top 10 of the daily chart (I think 6th?) and first press was still available...gold and silver was also in top 20...Asia tour 07 topped the chart...today they updated the chart...even though guilty was no where to be seen, the first press is sold out. Gold and silver disappeared again and asia tour 07 still remained on the chart but ranked lower. Yesterday was weird...seeing how guilty, gold and silver suddenly appeared on the chart.

ayumixfan 19th February 2008 06:37 AM

omgosh yay! GUILTY is Fighting for its position and doing it well =3

Jwiz 19th February 2008 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1340570)
I think Taiwan's numbers are fake. The past 2-3 years, the highest selling album there was ~250-300k and I think (m)u sold around 80k there.

Agree with you :yes

njanjayrp 19th February 2008 09:21 AM

So this week's sales shouldn't be lower than the last ones, hopefully :D

truehappiness 19th February 2008 09:31 AM

Ayu came in 43rd for this week.

#30 sold 5,737. So Ayu should be somewhere berween 3,000 - 5,737?

TITANIC 19th February 2008 01:41 PM

WHAT..............
from 43 to 30???
VERY GOODDDD..thanks the news..
this is 1st time GUILTY sold more than previous week

freedreamer 19th February 2008 03:07 PM

WOW! big rise

truehappiness 19th February 2008 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1341722)
WHAT..............
from 43 to 30???
VERY GOODDDD..thanks the news..
this is 1st time GUILTY sold more than previous week

I used #30 as a reference number for you guys to see her sales.

She was not #30 by any means. I don't know if the sentence "Ayu came in #43rd place" before the "#30 got ______, Ayu might get _____" was read by anyone.

Kouichi 19th February 2008 08:55 PM

This week GUILTY was #43.

KuroixShiroi_Namida 19th February 2008 09:02 PM

Still in top 50. Great :)!

Luv ~Venus~ 19th February 2008 09:03 PM

Can someone at least post the sales as well? :headache

(Btw, Thankies for the info!)

njanjayrp 19th February 2008 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1342127)
Can someone at least post the sales as well? :headache

(Btw, Thankies for the info!)

yeah :D it would be cool if it would pass 560 k the next week XD

Kouichi 19th February 2008 09:19 PM

I still don't know the sales :( maybe tomorrow

Ayumiko 20th February 2008 01:34 AM

what is happening again? o_O...

cdjapan daily jpop sales chart for Feb 20th:

#2: guilty (cd+dvd) (#2 overall chart)
#6: silver (#9 overall chart)
#7: gold (#10 overall chart)

dvd chart:
#3: asia tour 07 dvd (#4 overall chart)

Jwiz 20th February 2008 03:51 AM

^ thanks for the update.


Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1341794)
I used #30 as a reference number for you guys to see her sales.

She was not #30 by any means. I don't know if the sentence "Ayu came in #43rd place" before the "#30 got ______, Ayu might get _____" was read by anyone.

i read it and understand that GUILTY sales index is somewhere between 3000 and 5737.

Luv ~Venus~ 20th February 2008 07:49 AM

I so wanna know how well Asia Tour is going to sell. I'm starting to think about biying the DVD. I know it was very good...no better than good. I don't know! Gotta see how my money is going to look after I buy Hikki's and BoA's new albums. :yes

truehappiness 20th February 2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1342127)
Can someone at least post the sales as well? :headache

(Btw, Thankies for the info!)

You know, you can only post so much information, since it's not released all at once. :|

And as for that CDJapan thing.. people might've liked the cover now that they've seen it and purchased it. :D

babamon 20th February 2008 12:11 PM

This week GUILTY is at #43, with 3,392 copies sold.

truehappiness 20th February 2008 12:28 PM

557,784 are the current sales for GUILTY with that number added.

If it keeps charting, it could get 600,000..

ayumisrael 20th February 2008 12:33 PM

Wow cool!
I wonder if GUILTY can be another week on the top 50? the 1st day of the 9th week was #36...

Secret was 10/11 weeks on the top 50, I would hope for GUILTY the same at least!

TITANIC 20th February 2008 01:13 PM

owww.
i see.. GUILTY in another top 50 weekly ..
:D

tourniquet 20th February 2008 01:59 PM

*5 *,557,784 **3,392 GUILTY / 浜崎あゆみ 08/01/01

I don't see this thing hitting 600. :/

TITANIC 20th February 2008 02:05 PM

^ can you post the source link??

thanks for the info

njanjayrp 20th February 2008 02:38 PM

The sales didn't drop much, I guess in 2 weeks it will pass 560 k for sure. IT has a slight chance of passing 600 k mark, but it's can't beat Secret for sure. But I am happy with the sales, overall, considering that it didn't really have a huge hit single (Secret at least had BLUE BIRD), nor a whole bunch of extras. go Ayu!

Teyla 20th February 2008 03:13 PM

still in top 50 :) That's good , maybe we'll see 600k some day...

TITANIC 20th February 2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1342910)
The sales didn't drop much, I guess in 2 weeks it will pass 560 k for sure. IT has a slight chance of passing 600 k mark, but it's can't beat Secret for sure. But I am happy with the sales, overall, considering that it didn't really have a huge hit single (Secret at least had BLUE BIRD), nor a whole bunch of extras. go Ayu!

i think the hit song is together when which it hit a million mark

njanjayrp 20th February 2008 06:09 PM

I know, but I think BLUE BIRD was bigger in terms of popularity.


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