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one minute scene - 10 seconds different - one minute scene - etc. That's awfully boring, and a good director should know this. Her PVs back in the days of MY STORY were superb, imo. About You has so many different images, but they all fall together nicely. This PV has only three different images (or four, max) and they don't even fall together. Lol. Of course there are exceptions to long scenes being boring, but that's not the case here. [edit] Actually, her (m)u and Secret PVs were still good (Ladies Night, JEWEL, rainy day, 1 LOVE) but it has sort of gone down hill with Secret (Startin', Born To Be...), even further down hill with GUILTY and hit rock bottom with her recent videoclips. :') On the other hand, it can't get any worse than recently so she can only stay on the same level or improve.~ And why are her bloody dancers in EVERY PV lately? I don't LIKE your dancers, Ayu. I like YOU. That's why I'm fan of YOU and not "Ayumi Hamasaki & dancers". =_= I'm sure you have a lot of fun at the set, but how about making a good PV next time. And Shuya is fattish and not hot. |
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But yeah, I was going to say, it's boring because she's doing the same thing for long periods of time. And About You was actually the PV I was thinking of as an opposite to that while I was writing my original message! :P Her older PVs had more going on, more different scenes, more variety. Nowadays it just seems like her PVs keep falling into this pattern of Ayu doing one thing for over a minute at a time. Boring. |
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who cares what other people think about ayumi and her works anyway if you like it, good, if you didnt like it, too bad :rolleyes |
The PV was at least well directed and edited, thinking back to the Mirrorcle World/GREEN nightmares that Kazuyoshi spat out. It's a big step up from those, she hit rock bottom with him.
You can't help it if people find it boring, nothing to do about that. I personally found it entertaining though, it had different interesting small elements like the bird, the sword, the masks that come off and such. I thought the dance segments with the dancers doing solo dances were executed well too. |
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What bothered me was people not being able to say what they really thought of it without getting belittled and sworn at and then other people laughing and joining in as if that type of behavior is ok. Especially tanachu calling people *****es who don't know **** even though that person has as their signature a quote about how its important to respect other forum members... Quote:
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but seriously, before this forum my life was like a lot more happier LOL the people in it is ruinning it... even that they couldnt live without ayu, they still talk bad about her ALL THE TIME, even from her best works ever... (im not saying that Rule is THAT GOOD etc) and also, because they have a friend that likes this singer or this other singer, they talk bad about ayu too! just to make their friends happy... so meh xD |
its kinda boring.. don't you think so?
come on! with song like this.. they can do better and to be honest the jewelry Ayu does ruins the vid.. |
These threads get filled so quickly... :laugh
I'll make my opinion short and to the point. I really like this PV! I'm not crazy about it like, "Whoa! Ayu is so awesome!!" However, I am very impressed with it. She looks hot, the symbolism is returning (if not just as great, or better), the choreography is fantastic, and the song itself (once again) is amazing. I'm really loving this. How does she manage to always stay on top of things? :D |
Hey people, I'm sorry i lose count. :P....
Anyway, even when we stand by ayu, DOESN"T mean we're MINDLESS Obsessed fan. You better get that right. AND NOT liking her stuff DOESN"T makes you look like a mature un-obsessed fan. It doesn't do you any justice. Those who likes Kuu's PV, please go watch KUU's PV... instead of the eye-sore RULE PV.. Why bother complaining about things you don't like??:innocent |
And to those Non-asian, you like complaining that her PVs are boring, but seriously, What do you know about asian culture? And do you even know what is CONSIDERED GOOD in the context of asian culture? ayu's expectations for her PVs isn't same as your's dear :). She said RULE PV is good and why bother talking so much here... haha.
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Wow, her cleavage?? I think She's shown enough cleavage in her black outfit. hehe |
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I challenge ANYBODY who hates the PV for Rule to do the following: Watch Koda Kumi's JUST THE WAY YOU ARE PV consecutively three times and I GUARANTEE two things: #1) You'll be fascinated with her nose...the first time, fall asleep during the second time, then wake up the third time with a severe headache. or most likely... 2) You will die of a seizure brought on by boredom... With that being said...in comparison to that ---insert the lovely term for dog crap here--- Rule is the better PV. (And Kuu fans, please refrain from referring to the Ayu-ken technique as seizure inducing. Ayu already has a video dedicated to that. It's called Born to Be...) |
At least JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is a good song >.>
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All the singers I like are different, no one is the same. Maybe musically, but not lyrically.
btw my two favorites are Utada and Ayu. Three and four can be Kuu and Leah. Anyway, I do not want to start a fight. Lets just say I like Ayu's hair in the Rule PV xD I would have loved to see a Sparkle PV but no ;-; |
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I hated the Jeweled Ayu with the bewildered expression. It was out of place and not representative of the bird in any way. On the other hand the dance at the end is pretty cool and Ayu looked great.
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lets hope that she will make a pv for this song in the album *-* (if the fans ask for it ;)) |
Heard the previews of the song & I was like its an OK song, heard the whole song I then was I like it (^_^) & now dat I've seen the whole PV I love the song & the PV as well (^.^) tho the PV didnt really live up 2 my expectations cuz of all the buzz surrounding it I guess & the fact dat it was said dat AYU did a lot of dancing in it than NE other PV B4, I didnt really c dat, but good PV over all. GO AYU!!!!
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But I'm glad I understand better, thank you :) I thought most people hated the PV due to minor things and the nitpicking was getting extremely annoying... But now at least I have a sensible reason for why the PV could be construed as not very good. And now that you mention it (I watched it again), there are less images. But I guess it doesn't bother me as much. Another question, if I may: Does this make the PV "bad" or just "not your cup of tea"? I'm not sure what makes a good PV, but like you said with exceptions, fewer images isn't what makes a PV good or bad. I think Mirrorcle World was bad because the concept was so unclear, and it wasn't until it was analyzed that I understood anything, yet I don't recall the the amount of images (she looked gorgeous in every one of them though). Yet, to use your example, I understood NOTHING that was going on in About you, but I guess the constant change of images keeps the audience interested... So what really makes a PV bad? :shrug |
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u came up with a brilliant question! i'll ask the same thing... but i think its a personal question in this case whats a bad pv for you guys?? ^^ |
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eh, but not that much difference between leah and kuu. I like spakle to have a PV too. :) |
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personally i loved this PV. super HOT!! perfect for the song
but i know this is probably really really stupid.... but maybe the jeweled up ayu is like some kind of "Sparkle" PV cameo LOL |
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It has nothing to do with Asian culture. It's a music video. |
ok well... i dont know about hidden meanbings but i sure as well found the plot nice!
ok from watching i saw: the sword was important, it showed her the true friends from the foes then the sword was lost so she didnt have power then they went into the dojo and when the bridge comes ayus friends are looking for the ayu with the jewels, i thought shu ya found her inside a room when he braced against the door. but then he couldnt get inside! so they kameyameya'd their opponents LOL (dragonball reference) and then the bird, who took the non violent way found the right path, and i guess he found the jwel ayu? but they didnt show her so maybe not? LOL THAT WAS MY PLOT! btw the sitting ayu was just to fill in that second verse for me... lol |
and LOL@ kuri ayu
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sparkle cameo? so like... on the next single we'll get a sparkle video with her? lol |
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i love that part xD is the same that it happened in Mirrorcle World but in there she had the feathers etc *-* |
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what's your problem ayu_fantasy? Explain how our non-Asianness contributes to us not liking the video, or our ability to appreciate it. Please, enlighten us. |
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i think i understand where she comes from, but she didnt mean it in THAT way we could all think of lol things that are pretty popular in Japan and Asia, for us are pretty weird! have you watched that Simpsons episode when homer appears in this Japanese TV spot of cereal? LMAO so see? for western people asian stuff is just weird (not for everyone of course) or just bad... ayu looks pretty and etc in this pv, but obviously in america theyre use to the perfect videoclips with the pretty cool hip hop dancing, big boobs, etc etc etc ayu is not all that :P same as her producers, theyre all japanese or asian, they have not clue of what is to be western, they can only copy it or try to understand it lol pheww lol |
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I really like the PV, especially the camera effects.
But the white ayu look could have been executed better with more details. Still, I'm looking for a big change of PV style like alterna... btw, she should NEVER EVER use the Green/MW PV director again! Hopefully, she can innovate in her album PVs. |
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I understand that there are differences between the cultures. I think almost everyone at this forum understands that at least, or they probably wouldn't be here. That being said, I think it's kind of rude to say that us in America would expect certain things like hip hop dancing and big boobs in a music video. I think that trying to use the fact that "oh they just don't understand Japanese Culture" as a defense to why we don't like the PV, is not only comical, but very immature. And besides, I don't recall anyone saying that the PV was bad because it had Asian motifs and symbols. Besides, I couldn't care less if someone was Asian, European, American, or from Antarctica. Great art can come from anywhere, it isn't cultural at all, and doesn't take people from specific cultures to appreciate it. I understand that cultures can have histories and biases to certain things, but that argument does not work here at this forum, and it never will, because imo, one of the very special things about all (or mostly all) of AHS's members, is their ability to see and know when something is great, beyond all that superficial crap. And it's one of the reasons why we all love Ayu. |
I laughed at the part where Ayu dives onto her dancers' backs. I wonder how many times they had to do that before they got it right for the camera?
I liked the opening, when she comes through the doors, and I really liked the end, where the bird flies outside. Pretty neat. My mind wasn't blown by this video, but I like it. PS: Some of you people are weird. Why would you post on a message board if you just want other people to keep their opinions to themselves? Shouldn't you just sit alone in your room and talk to yourself, then? I mean really, these comments about "go watch Poker Face instead" and whatever are just so lame. |
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As I see, the main problem here is old ayu fans that don't like her present image and newer ayu fans that don't understand this (and there are some that like her since A Song for XX and still enjoy her works, but they are not here). Ayu is taking a big image change since (miss)understood, and a lot of her older fans can't really feel her right now, and that's why they find the new pvs bad, the new concerts over-done and the new music bland. About the "asian thing", sorry, but that's true... I don't like most of ayu up-beat happy songs, cause they remind me of brazillian singers that release music only for children... But in Japan, it's a very common sound for adults too... A lot of things she done on her career where not fully understood by her western fans cause they are not asian (and I'm not talking that like "omg!1 we are dumb cause we are not asian!1!", there are a lot of things that eastern artists do that westerns don't really get too) I don't really think that ayu have any bad video (maybe Born to be, and just because it have that lights that makes hurt our eyes),they are all very well made (even MW and Green, they aren't bad edited, they just uses a lot of non-mainstream aesthetics), they just were made on diferent moments of her career with diferent purposes... And that's it... older fans need to understand that Ayu is not the same... Newer fans need to understand that some older fans aren't really found of the newer ayu... |
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I realise that non-asians are always criticising her videos being boring or "TOO RECYCLED"... AND the thing about "Fish mouth", you can see pages and pages of it whenever she does some photoshoot. Actually, we thought 'Pout lips' are nice. But non-asians keep repeating about fish mouth. You can't keep bringing you ideals and beliefs into ayu's video. She is an asian and she has her own expectations about dancing and her pv storyline. Just because it doesn't fits you, and you keep criticising it. OMG, what's the world becoming to? |
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AND the thing about "Fish mouth", you can see pages and pages of it whenever she does some photoshoot. Actually, we thought 'Pout lips' are nice. But non-asians keep repeating about fish mouth.QUOTE] personally i loveeee the "fish mouth" LOL its soooo cute and sexyyyy *-* let me say... lol |
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:shakehead.... To Surreal_rainbow, some people make "Fish mouth" sounded so bad.... all my friends says her pout lips are cool..... |
OMIGAWW!! MY FAVE AYU PV EVERR!!<333
i was soo amazed :love millions of kudos 2 SHUYA! omg!! he did those martial arts dancing stuff soo awesomelyy :D |
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lol im relaxed ^^ i think after all we should be happy!! yay!! bcose this is a "I-ayu" relationship LOL people outside that relationship doesnt really matter i guess ;) |
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I wasn't expecting much from this PV since the director made some of Ayu's worst PV's. But i really liked the PV, it's purely entertaining and the best since...(miss)understood days (part of me and 1 LOVE was pretty good too). Likes: -How each of her 6 dancers represented a different animal -How Ayu's embracing the Japanese/asian culture,(ninja like) since this Pv could be her most international PV -The dancing was actually quite good (Ayu always looked awkward as usual) -there was cool Ayu and glamorous Ayu. Dislikes: -The costume Ayu wore didnt flatter her body, didnt shape her hips and her legs looked a bit short. -Ayu can move with the beat but can't dance! -Her mouthing when she said "Rule" was weird -The song...was okay, but her voice totally drowns in the music at the chorus bits. Overall i really liked this PV! but like some people said, nothing is perfect! |
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I also hate to tell you, that the RULE PV could easily be a Western video, plus or minus a few Japanese characters and motifs. If she was playing a koto or bopping a taiko while her dancers enacted a Kabuki play, then yeah, maybe some Westerners wouldn't "get" it as much. But she's wearing outfits that you can see in any US female pop star's video, dancing moves that you could learn at any modern dance studio. And it's not like Westerner see guys dressed like ninjas and scream "DO NOT LIKE!!" Actually, it's quite the opposite these days, at least where I live in the US. You're making a really insane argument, and I think you need to just not post on message boards if peoples' opinions bother you so much. I don't come here so I can see people parroting the same opinion over and over. I come here to see what other people think, and read / participate in discussion. What do you come here for? |
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theres nothing wrong with discussing this i guess lol
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Somewhere along the way, I think you missed the point of this thread. Get off the internet if you can't handle differing opinions :/ |
hmm i really love the camera angles in the PV, just like suddenly zoom out then zoom in...very dragonballish to me~
edit: didn't realize people were fighting in this thread those Rule PV haters, stop complaining about how bad it is, everyone can voice their opinions, but 1 or 2 times is ok, not throughout this entire thread those Rule PV lovers, stop trying to convert the haters with all the good points of the PV...it's not gonna happen unless hell freeze over or something! |
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I can understand how somebody that loved her earlier stuff don't like her present stuff... Cause I don't like most of her old stuff... little by little I'm finding a lot of things I really like, but mainly the singles... I just can't listen to all songs of any pre-rainbow albuns of hers |
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In your opinion: Asian = loves everything she does. Non-asian = criticizes everything she does. Are you serious..? |
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i don't know if anyone have noticed something .. you guys should have noticed that all the boy dancers got tattoos drawn in their backs right? and Ayu also got one!!! it's on her buttom back~ near waist... i just noticed it when i watched the PV once again..and you can see the tattoo starting from 3:35 on wards~ coooool!! |
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But yeah, you make an interesting point. I've noticed more and more that peoples forum join date says 2008, which honestly is great because it means Ayu is getting more overseas fans. But its pretty rare nowadays to see posts from members that joined say...pre 2006. I'm wondering what happened to everyone? I joined in 2004, but the forum was around for years before that and I hardly see anyone still around from that time. Quote:
SheFliesHigher was totally right - if anything, Rule is way more western than it is asian imo. |
Aw man my random pics aren't derailing the tension in this thread. Ah well I tried, going to bed. Goodnight!
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^aww but they're sooo cuuute! X3
How can you guys keep fighting when these cute little kittens are here... |
lol, i think pv is ok. too bad i dont like the song.
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So how many dragonball characters does it take to screw a lightbulb?
Just 1, but it would take at least 3 episodes. |
I agree her recent pvs could be better but I still like them better than some of her older pvs.
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I didn't say i can't take other opinions... Stop putting words into my mouth. Your opinions were not even constructive to begin with....:innocent to other AHS members, Sorry about this arguement, some people just keep thinking that they are the logical ones, the rest of the world are illogical. If you guys realise, it's always the same people complaining.. They should get off the net if everything else is not up to their standards. |
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^ Seriously, stop trying to play the race card. It doesn't work in this situation and just makes you look like an elitist.
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oh, yeah milky_way, you just can't grow up.... I can understand the others, but you?? Not the 1st time..
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There are a lot of generalizations going on. Firstly, ayu_fantasy, saying that Asians like/don't mind the fish mouth cannot be true, because you are using your one opinion to span all of Asia. It can most certainly be proven wrong, and anyone could dig up one of her magazine shoot threads and find an Asian person that complained about it. It is also entirely off topic from the thread.
Now, I have read all 14 pages worth of this thread and have found that no one who disliked the PV flamed those who like it, but it most certainly has been the other way around. Furthermore, no one has said most of the things people have claimed the "haters" have said. Putting words into others' mouths does not help your argument. Also, many of the people who dislike the PV have not criticized her previous PVs, so it is unfair to say they repeatedly do so. And even if they did it is their right to voice their opinion. Sure, there may not be a point for them to continue being on AHS if Ayu has disappointed them long enough, but no one has the right to tell them to leave. And most of the people who dislike it from what I have seen haven't said it is a hurtful way. And to claim that they are not true Ayu fans or should not be allowed to continue to voice their feelings is bogus just because they don't like her PV. If you are allowed to say you loved the PV 4 times then someone should be allowed to say they hate it 4 times. It's unnecessary either way, though. Bottom line is that everyone has the right to voice their opinion, and everyone is allowed to say it as many times as they want. But don't start claiming other people are "illogical" because they don't agree with you or defend their argument. |
Hey sugarbasil, maybe I make too much generalisation about the Asian thing.
I can accept negative opinions too.... But some opinions here are way too strong, it's almost sacarsm and mockery. So in this way is it correct?? I don't like picking fights here... But some keeps saying that they have the rights to criticise and don't even mind their tone. |
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There are strong opinions on both sides, and both sides have succumbed to sarcasm and mockery; though I personally think things may sometimes SOUND like sarcasm on the net when they actually aren't, especially when fallen on persons with biases (this refers to everyone).
At any rate, instead of fighting or flaming, if anyone ever has a problem with the way someone said something, report the post and the mods will deal with it ASAP in the future. If you feel it's out of line, report it. And PM me if you still want to talk about this. Let's use this thread to discuss the PV now, not people's opinions. :) BTW, I'm totally loving the zoom in camera effects. :yes |
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if u want me to help, just forget what others say/think about ayu because if you try to protect your thoughts and believes they will stop talking bad about ayu and start talkin bad about you! D: and we dont want that!! we should be wanting a peaceful forum where we all can happily share our feelings and thoughts etc etc happy for ever after :P |
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Seriously, this happens EVERY TIME anything Ayu-related comes out. Ayu is such a diverse artist over her career that certain aspects of her persona/style attract different people with different expectations. I LOVE the GREEN PV, but thought that Days was boring. Oh well. Arguing amongst ourselves doesn't get us, as fans, anywhere. Discussions, sure, because it lets us understand each other more, but outright arguing is just a pain to read and clutters everything. It's been expressed over and over again, so maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, but, newsflash, some people like this PV, some people don't. It happened last time and it will happen next time. Whether you like it or not does not give you the right to curse out those with opposing opinions. (Like I've seen a couple of times in this thread)
Sugarbasil already covered the generalizations, so I won't go there. But please guys, we don't want half of this tread to end up in the trash because feelings are getting heated. Be kind to the server and take a breath if you have to. =) |
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JUST THE WAY YOU ARE has many more shots going on, making it less boring. But it's really not comparable, because JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is a feel good slow/med tempo song, and Rule is a fierce energetic song so obviously they're going to have two different types of PVs. And it sounds like you just don't like JTWYA because it's not your piece of cake. But from a subjective point of view, JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is better. Some shots are done really nice & artistic (like in the restaurant, the lighting). In Rule it's just some generic shots with hardly any thought behind it, except the shot with the blue bird on the plate thing. And the strange zoom ins/zoom outs of the second chorus look like the director found a cool new button in the program he's using and decided to get all excited with it for that part. Quote:
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I love the haters arguments here. The only thing they can come up to say back is "I'm so mature, I hate this video. Deal with it, learn to accept differing opinions". Lol okay. I can accept that people don't like this video, but to be honest that wasn't my whole point. I see people complaining a lot on this board, even about the most stupid tiniest things. It's like - you're always out to find the worst in Ayumi Hamasaki. To me that's not what a fan is. But I guess it's just a lot of the people here, their personalities or something.
Oh and don't act so surprised that people are speaking out on this. Ayumi Hamasaki fans sticking up for Ayu on an Ayumi Hamasaki forum? :O Wow! But of course that's unlikely here right, since we're all supposed to go on about how ayu's shoes suck, her hair isn't combed the right way and her lips are too big. |
@ ayu_fantasy: Sorry, but the Asian point is just invalid! I'm Asian too and I don't exactly like her fish-mouth... there may be some shots when I think it's okay, but most of the time... nah. So I mean, I hope all the arguments are done and over with... it's just a PV. Let's relax!
@ lfebaggins: LOL. Okay, anyway... does anyone think that Ayu's tattoo in the PV looks like a black widow? I mean I can see the web-shapes... and some weird creature in the middle... looks like a spider. :D |
I suggest moderators just close the topic
or delete every new trash comment that's just funny to read tons of flash rude replies which get straightly personal or clean the topic, left only the opinions & make the topic appropriate please, then it will be so calm & good there, not this atmosphere of beaten up self-confidence & attempt to save it with rudeness or whatever smbd likes, smbd doesnt. you may like this & don't like that. that's actually normal back to the topic of the tattoos, what does it mean if Ayu is a spider? sexy sly killing machine? :lech |
BEST IS EVERYONE GO AND MAKES A PV FOR AYU!
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That is tooooooooo funny :D ---------- Please everyone, calm down! I'd hate for another thread to be closed because people can't stop arguing. It's really becoming pointless and redundant. So stop! :eviltongu |
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I know they're not real ninjas and its just a music video and all that but I'm surprised more background was not done on them. I'm not such a fan of dragonball but ... Ninjas live and die by stealth, no fancy moves etc. They go for the kill using any weapon that gives them the advantage and disappear like magic. No time for tiger crane snake eagle combinations, leave that for the Shao-lin monks and Jackie Chan. Ropes, poisons, darts and sometimes brute strength are all ninja weapons and among all, surprise is their deadliest. Targets die without knowing where and when the kill is coming from. Imagine all the fun the vid director could have had Ayu and the rest do, with such a great soundtrack too. Oh yeah, I've never seen twin dragons fight before, unless its with each other. Plus points, Subaru pulls off a passable snake strike exercise and Zin does a nice head fake on an eagle stance. Shu-ya does a nice impression of a clawless dancing tiger, Angela Jolie would be impressed. Petty points but hey LOL, dancing ninjas !! What next ? Turtles ? |
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A PV is bad for me if it bores me and doesn't make me want to watch it again. Per definition, a PV is probably bad if it doesn't make the song look/feel/sound better. As for me, yes it is the lack of images. I'm not nitpicky at all. I could care less about her strange outfit (though a gay friend of mine actually said that, I quote, "she looks beautiful", which I've never heard him say about anyone :D -- I think it's the hair). But yes, seeing the same scene for an extended period of time is boring to me. Which is why I don't like the MW and GREEN PVs either, but I do like Days. =3 Well, the few exceptions weren't really pointed at personal favorites but at real exceptions. I mean, I like (don't) Leave me alone. I don't know why, I just do. However, I don't think it's a good PV from a subjective point of view as it's the same scene the entire PV. xD (Of course, if they were forced to do that due to budget then they did do a good job, but okey.) The exceptions would be ballad PVs like HEAVEN, Daybreak, JEWEL, rainy day. I don't think I have to explain why such songs can have PVs with no scene changes. ^^ But for an upbeat PV like Rule, there should be more scenes in my opinion as the entire mood is different. Imagine watching the HEAVEN PV to Rule, haha.~ And I don't really mind it if I don't know what's going on. (Though in About You, the Ayu locked up in the ice cube was way more obvious than, say, MW.) ^^ But yea, MW had a set up like this: - Scene with Ayu walking - - Scene with Ayu in SM outfit - - Scene with Ayu in red dress - - Bridge with all different Ayu's - - Scene with Ayu in a telephone cell - & throw some random agents running around here and there. I think that if you can actually accurately summarize a PV like that, it's bad. E.g. it would take way more lines than that to summarize About You, because it switches scenes so much. :D [i talk too much] Quote:
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FYI, I do like the song JUST THE WAY YOU ARE. It's one of the three songs I actually liked off of Koda's little TRICK. It's actually the PV that makes me wanna vomit...and die from a seizure of boredom. In my opinion, there is absolutely NOTHING original or artistic about that video. It's nothing more than a regurgitation of Destiny's Child's [girls] + the ending of Ayumi Hamasaki's [Days] + any other generically-themed "we're totally BFFs now!" music video. It's just a simple video that's boring. The music video for Rule is superior to that garbage in every way...The constant zoom in and zoom out focus is meant to recapture your attention. It is a strange technique, but it's been used in videos before...It's just an effect that hasn't really been used in Ayu's videos. We're used to an Ayu video having the feel of a cinematic feature. Everything flows smoothly, then fades out, flows smoothly again until the conclusion comes and fades out again. For this video, when you think about it critically---that kind of process just wouldn't work for this song. You can tell by the awkward appearance of the bird. Scenes that flow seamlessly don't fit with this song AT ALL. It has to be WHAM---BAM---BOOM---HAHA---YOU---CAN---SEE---ME---HERE---HERE---AND---HERE! It's a track full of energy, and therefore it needs an energetically directed video. Not all that artistic, slow-pace, traditional Ayu, JUST THE WAY YOU ARE-simple theme... Of course that's just MY opinion. :P (Have fun with this statement kids...I've got class. I'll be back later...) |
It's nice to see Ayu appreciates scantily clad, fit men as much as I do. :D
Seriously tho, I think peoples need to not take the ninjas so seriously. They are dancers dressed up as ninjas. Dance fighting. Not really hurting each other. It's fun! And they are smexy so ya. Ayumi herself was also looking very good in the video. I bet she had fun filming this one. =) |
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Well, for starters, if a PV is bad when it doesn't promote the song, then the JTWTA PV is good. Technically good scenes: - Kuu in the restaurant w/o her friends. The lighting is really good. - Kuu standing on the front of the carousel. The constant zoom in zoom out is random and out of place when completely spammed in only one scene of the PV. Actually, most scenes in the PV are random. The pretty Ayu & the fierce Ayu scenes & the bird scenes & the dancers looking around all four have such different saturation, etc. that it really doesn't match. JTWTA scenes all fall together. Quote:
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Again, your personal taste gets in the way of seeing that JTWTA isn't directed bad. :'] It sounds more like you don't like the SCRIPT of them hanging out in an amusement park. Now, I'm not saying that I think the JTWTA is freaking awesome or splendid or beautiful, but it is good for a song like that and with a script like that. Not bad. [Not that it really matters as this is the Ayu forum.] As for poker face, did you even watch it before saying that? Because it has the perfect example of long one-shot scenes like GREEN and Rule and MW. Except that all the scenes DO fall together, so subjectively it is better than those. |
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Well yeah, you have stated why the PV wasn't that good. Sure, she looked really hot and the symbolism was at least clear enough. But I abhorred that second verse when she was just sitting there. Dude, it's an upbeat song... That being said, she still looks hot in that scene. And I LOVE that attitude she's giving off... it's so 'Rule'! |
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I'm happy you are able to help me understand things a bit more. Yeah if you summarize Rule, you wouldn't get a long list. I'm sure there are things they could have done to make it more appealing and filled with much more movement. Maybe Ayu and her ninjas trying to break out of Doujou with some more fight scenes and a plot rather than dancing? I could see Ayu lurking around the dark shadows being all sexy ninja'ing her way out, breakin' the rules and such haha. But it is what it is and it doesn't bother me a whole lot. But thank you for your posts :) They were really helpful. Quote:
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Actually your ideas are pretty good lol. Maybe fierce Ayu could have protected the blue bird with her dancers from the demon guys and fought their way out of the building. xD And some sneak scenes... Dunno. |
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but i liked the PV all in all. my favorite part is the glamorous ayumi part, followed by the section where everyone is dancing in unison. too bad she had to blast them all away, lol. :yes |
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I... like... her dancers a lot... ahahaha.
They are really cool, to me.. I wish Maro would replace Shu-Ya though as the main one. But I think without them, there's a hole. Even she said herself that if you accept Ayu, you have to accept everyone.. because they are all "ayumi hamasaki." Sometimes I get annoyed, but without them, not knowing who they are, it would be very "who the hell is that one????" And like, no connections. And I watched this PV over and over for this past 4 days.. ahaha. I really love this PV and song.. I wanna learn choreography!! ahaha |
Thank you sugarbasil for your post, it was perfect. I can't believe some people here are still continuing on about "haters" after your post.
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Shuya is always looking so confused as if he doesn't know what face he will make so he always has this painful look on his face as if he's straining himself. Or else he's showing off.. I guess I'm not a fan. However here it's obvious that she could only use her dancers because of the dancing segment so I don't mind it so much. I think this time it was the right call but I'd rather they used actors in other roles where dancing is not required. |
Haha, I also watch RULE PV so many times after it's release :)... For Green and Days Pv, I only watch once :) Ehh, I think she should use Maro more... Shuya is okay, but maro would be better. YO!!!
And I can't believe some people are still trying to start an arguement, after what sugarbasil have said. :) |
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