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Maemi 26th June 2009 01:10 PM

Thriller had been sold in more than 100 milion copies. I don't think anyone will outsell it. :( I'm not a big fan of his work, but he had some amazing songs...

Yooku 26th June 2009 01:45 PM

This is so sad...

Rest in peace.

noidea 26th June 2009 01:52 PM

Im not a fan of him, but this is still really, really sad. He was a big inspiration for many people and died just way too early.

JackieRos 26th June 2009 02:42 PM

in VH1 they are playing his videos now

i also heard that MJ is leaving debt to his children and
that they might not be able to afford it

Namie♡TOP SECRET 26th June 2009 03:46 PM

R.I.P. Michael Jackson August 8 1958-June 25 2009

PinkShinigami 26th June 2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1996246)
So first.. Ed McMahon, then Farrah..

And now Michael. 3 legends in the span of like a week or two..

-tear-

To be honest, I don't know those persons..

But seriously, I still can't get it, he's a person who can't die!

tasking 26th June 2009 04:15 PM

^ Ed McMahon was a co-host in the 1970s, early 80s on a very popular late night talk show called The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, which was then taken over by Jay Leno and now Conan O'Brien.

Farrah Fawcett was an actress/sex icon in the 70s. She was specifically known from a TV show called Charlie's Angels, and she was REALLY pretty. There was this really popular photo/poster of her that everyone just had to have.

Hope that helps.

Mirai Noah 26th June 2009 04:40 PM

Rest in peace, Michael. :(

Lady~Deviance 26th June 2009 06:22 PM

I still can't believe this. I've been a die-hard fan since I was 2yrs old. Just about everyone in my family has copies of all his albums including myself.

I wish this was all a horrible dream...

panda♥ 26th June 2009 07:11 PM

This is what TMZ is reporting...

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A close member of Michael Jackson's family has told us Jackson received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine -- Demerol -- and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 AM.

Family members are saying the dosage was "too much" and that's what caused his death.
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There are reports ... Michael Jackson may have died after getting a Demerol injection.

The Sun is reporting shortly after the injection, Jackson's breathing got "slower and slower until it stopped."
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As details of Michael Jackson's tragic and untimely death continue to come to light, police have began a search for Jackson's personal physician, who was living with the troubled pop star and gave him daily injections of very very powerful morphine-like pain drugs.

The doctor's car was towed from Jackson's residence on Thursday and it is believed to contain "medications pertinent to the investigation."

The doctor's name has not been released, but the Jackson family attorney claimed that he would identify him should drugs be revealed to have taken part in Jackson's death.
Sources are saying his cardiologist was with him at the time of his death... if his cardiologist gave him the Demerol all fingers will be pointing at him. If his breathing was getting slower why in the world wasn't he rushed to the hospital immediately!? :irked:irked:irked

Amrai-chan 26th June 2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady~Deviance (Post 1997392)
I wish this was all a horrible dream...

What I wouldn't give.

Bigtop 26th June 2009 07:19 PM

I don't know if TV Asahi's Music Station mentioned about this during their show earlier...

Hachimitsu 26th June 2009 07:57 PM

It's very hard to believe that this really happened. Some say he was accidentally OD'd by a doctor who injected him with a painkiller.. I wonder if that's true?

Bonbon0507 26th June 2009 08:17 PM

RIP Michael Jackson :(

SunshineSlayer 26th June 2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtop (Post 1997468)
I don't know if TV Asahi's Music Station mentioned about this during their show earlier...

They didn't, but as I mentioned earlier, this wasn't a typical music station. I don't think it was live, but prerecorded since it was just a countdown show.


As for the drugs thing - No one should be taking demoral every day unless they have some kind of underlying painful and life threatening health issue. Honestly, if demoral was the cause, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened - its like playing with fire to take drugs so often even if it is prescribed by a doctor.

ImpactBreaker 26th June 2009 09:09 PM

Demerol? i seriuously hope that's not true. I can't believe a conceited physician (after all, MJ's physician, I mean he has the money to pay for the best) would ever use demerol as a pain killer. It's a ridiculous drug that doesn't really kill any pain, just makes the patient euphoric while feeling the pain and is highly addictive. I only use it in hospital in very low doses to stop intense shivering from infections in very selected patients because it does magically work, but for killing intense pain, morphine is a much more "safer" drug. It makes me wonder though, strong pain killing medications are mainly used for the treatment of cancer. Did he actually have a cancer and was needing higher doses of pain killers? I'm pretty sure Michael has always shrouded his health into a big mystery. I think I've read somewhere that when he was first accused of child harassment, he went into a sort of breakdown and got addicted to morphine (or was it demerol exactly?), and needed to go to a rehab to get free from it. I've been just speculating here, but it wouldn't surprise me if he himself got an overdose from it. :shrug It's really sad to think about that. I vwish he weren't dead by now =/

Coelacanth 26th June 2009 09:14 PM

Yeah, he was actually addicted to morphine and demerol during the Dangerous World Tour (after the allegations had came out). He mentions all this in his song "Morphine" - everybody should listen to the song btw, it's great.

Polyrhythm 26th June 2009 09:24 PM

still on the news....i guess Iran is kinda irrelevant now...

Lady~Deviance 26th June 2009 09:38 PM

Just about every channel I turn to depicts MJ's death or shows MV clips. It still has not sunk in that he's gone. When they broadcast his funeral next week maybe the shock will finally hit me.

ImpactBreaker 26th June 2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady~Deviance (Post 1997628)
Just about every channel I turn to depicts MJ's death or shows MV clips. It still has not sunk in that he's gone. When they broadcast his funeral next week maybe the shock will finally hit me.

Don't worrry, I'm also like that. It was so sudden. I had just bought a new cell phone and put some of his music on it this week. I was really wondering when a new song or album would pop up. I was sort of saddened that it was kinda being said that his come back would actually just be a goodbye, but then, with the kinds of surprises he's always liked to pull, I still had my hopes he'd come back for good. He has died but he hasn't. I'm surely his music will live on forever. Still it is pretty sad to know he's now gone.:(

Amrai-chan 26th June 2009 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 1997594)
Yeah, he was actually addicted to morphine and demerol during the Dangerous World Tour (after the allegations had came out). He mentions all this in his song "Morphine" - everybody should listen to the song btw, it's great.

Morphine was a good song.

It's hard to listen to his music at the moment...

...and they are delaying the results by an hour....what the...?

pchan1986 26th June 2009 09:55 PM

his stuff on ebay are so expensive especially his dolls and vinyls. luckily i purchased the original thriller vinyl for only $15 ^^ ive been watching the news and man the reaction of the other countries T-T its still so sad.

~ayu-cake~ 26th June 2009 10:48 PM

I've spent most of today listneing to his music.
Can't stop crying..
:(

DestinyWishes 26th June 2009 10:57 PM

I can't believe he's gone, he was a legend :(

They've been playing his songs on the radio all day.

SunshineSlayer 26th June 2009 11:13 PM

Well, I just heard the 911 call where the person calling says that the personal doctor is with Michael and that Michael isn't responding to CPR, but he also says that Michael is on the bed......Ok what kind of crappy assed doctor is that? In order for CPR to be most effective, it can't be done on a soft surface.

Amrai-chan 26th June 2009 11:20 PM

CPR on the bed What the...

and now it's being said...

Further toxicology testing. 4-6 more weeks of waiting for the final report. No indication of trauma or foul play. A hold has been placed on the investigation so only selected info is released. They know he was taking some prescription meds.

ImpactBreaker 26th June 2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1997710)
Well, I just heard the 911 call where the person calling says that the personal doctor is with Michael and that Michael isn't responding to CPR, but he also says that Michael is on the bed......Ok what kind of crappy assed doctor is that? In order for CPR to be most effective, it can't be done on a soft surface.

Maybe Michael liked sleeping on a hard bed? :shrug (I doubt it though lol but who knows..:P)...the doctor could also have placed a hard board under Michael's body. It's hard to judge and draw conclusions without looking at it.

RikkuChii 26th June 2009 11:53 PM

I've been watching MTV for nearly 24 hours straight.

It still hasen't hit me.

SunshineSlayer 27th June 2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1997730)
Maybe Michael liked sleeping on a hard bed? :shrug (I doubt it though lol but who knows..:P)...the doctor could also have placed a hard board under Michael's body. It's hard to judge and draw conclusions without looking at it.

Wouldn't it just be faster to put him on the floor though? :)

ImpactBreaker 27th June 2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1997746)
Wouldn't it just be faster to put him on the floor though? :)

I believe it's better for the doctor to do the CPR while standing up. It's an extremely tiring/exhausting maneuver that requires you to position correctly and I have a feeling it gets harder if you are kneeling on the floor (could be wrong though). I've heard from doctors who did on the ER floor (though I didn'tget to ask them if it was the same thing, easier or harder), but that's because the ER was already full of patients and there were no more beds. I've never done CPR on the floor though so I can't really tell personally if it's harder/more uncomfortable though.

SunshineSlayer 27th June 2009 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1997762)
I believe it's better for the doctor to do the CPR while standing up. It's an extremely tiring/exhausting maneuver that requires you to position correctly and I have a feeling it gets harder if you are kneeling on the floor (could be wrong though). I've heard from doctors who did on the ER floor (though I didn'tget to ask them if it was the same thing, easier or harder), but that's because the ER was already full of patients and there were no more beds. I've never done CPR on the floor though so I can't really tell personally if it's harder/more uncomfortable though.

Well, of course neither of us were there so there could have been any number of variations. :) Standing probably is easier, but only makes sense if the person is lying on something hard. It just seems very odd to me that in the 911 call he says the doctor is trying to revive him on the bed - I mean the first rule of CPR basically is to make sure the person is lying on something hard. Bottom line though, what happened, happened.

JackieRos 27th June 2009 01:29 AM

today i saw alot of people buying his cds
im so sad right now
i remember in the 6th grade we danced to his song Thriller
i still remember the dance moves

emi♡ 27th June 2009 02:02 AM

I think it would be very hard to do CPR on a bed...I mean, how would you even know if what you were doing was effective if he kept like...going down with each movement?

It is exhausting though...

I heard a rumour that he had a nervous breakdown or something no one knows about? Has anyone else heard this?

The Demerol thing is disturbing. Ugh...I hate when people can't die in freaking peace.

Amrai-chan 27th June 2009 02:35 AM

Then again, I have been crying all day yesterday, haven't gotten any sleep just drifted in and out and cried most of today, until a little while ago because my eyes burn and I'm exhausted. I can't imagine how his family is doing...

I wish people would just let the man rest. Why are people so cruel?

Suteisi 27th June 2009 03:09 AM

This breaks my heart.

I couldn't believe it when I heard it on the radio yesterday.

I'm worried about his kids. I honestly hope his parents are not the ones that will be taking care of them...

Beauty4123 27th June 2009 03:21 AM

so...was this posted yet?

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As Hollyscoop had previously reported, Michael Jackson had physician's visiting him at his rented Holmby Hills home every day, but the physician that injected him right before he collapsed has gone missing.

Moments before Michael went into cardiac arrest, he was injected with a high dose of Demerol, presumably by his personal physician.

And now that same physician has gone missing. According to TMZ, the doctors black BMW was towed from Jackson's rented home late last night and he is nowhere to be found.
http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-ja...ing_20697.aspx

so apparently, his physician who gave him demerol is missing...:shrug

panda♥ 27th June 2009 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Beauty4123 (Post 1997936)
so...was this posted yet?



http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-ja...ing_20697.aspx

so apparently, his physician who gave him demerol is missing...:shrug

I posted it a while ago but people seem to ignore posts. :shrug

Lady~Deviance 27th June 2009 03:47 AM

Well, looks like the LAPD will be on a wild goose chase looking for the blundering fool. Killing my childhood idol. Serves him right.

kendelle 27th June 2009 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 1997198)
in VH1 they are playing his videos now

i also heard that MJ is leaving debt to his children and
that they might not be able to afford it

He did have an incredible amount of debt but his assets will more than cover it.

I think he was about ~100 mill in debt but his rights to his songs, his stakes in the Beatles catalogue etc are worth well over 2 billion :yes

ImpactBreaker 27th June 2009 04:06 AM

People be careful for not drawing conclusions and accusing this and that without solid proofs. That's actually what has always haunted MJ's personal life, with people taking judgement on him before knowing the facts (I mean he put it well on "she's just a girl - claims that I'm the one, but the kid is not my son") , like pople assuming "MJ caught with a kid = pedophile". It's really no different to draw conclusions like this accusing before having further proofs.

I still wonder why the heck would MJ be on high doses of opioids. In the medical context, the main illness that would jsutify that would be an advanced cancer. Still quite weird why the heck was he put under meperidine (demerol) which has been getting obsolete among doctors because it has frustrating pain killing properties and an excessive potential of causing addictiveness. MJ has the money to pay for doctors who know meperidine is not the best approach when you want to treat someone with intolerable pain, unless you want to have problems with a drug addict visiting you in the ER every day with "unbearable pain" (addiction) that only gets better if they fulfill their abstinence with meperidine. What makes it even scarier is not only he needs these opioids drugs but also why do they have to be injected (instead of PO) without being put under medical observation for serious adverse effects like respiratory arrest in the next minutes after administration. MJ was rather gloomy recently and even implying that his death was close. I wonder if he had been diagnosed with any terminal illness. :shrug

tasking 27th June 2009 04:20 AM

Hey, everyone! I found a video on CNN.com of Rain/Bi remembering Michael; check it out:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...in.jackson.cnn

Lady~Deviance 27th June 2009 04:37 AM

The vid is not working for me. All of the others are.

tasking 27th June 2009 07:43 AM

^ Well that sucks. I wonder what he had to say. I didn't watch it myself originally, I just made my way over here and posted it. lol

Meat Pao 27th June 2009 07:51 AM

I watched the video and Rain basically said that he's very sad over MJ's death and it was MJ who was his inspiration for him to start dancing.

aqua_crystal 27th June 2009 12:33 PM

ow man, yesterday my mom and I went under depression and all we did was watch all those old videos of MJ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasking (Post 1998002)
Hey, everyone! I found a video on CNN.com of Rain/Bi remembering Michael; check it out:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...in.jackson.cnn

Thanks for the link.

tinka69 27th June 2009 01:40 PM

:( i feel so sad. All that great music...tragedy really.

xLuna&1LOVE 27th June 2009 01:43 PM

So bad!
He was so great.
Anyway, we will never forget him!
R.I.P. Michael!

koumori 27th June 2009 06:02 PM

This is so sad...even more sad that now his last "comeback gigs" are being outed as a huge part of what killed him. He was under enormous stress and pressure to please millions of fans in those 50 gigs that would of been watched all over the world as well...

I hope his death isn't proved to be murder..

Chibi_Venus 27th June 2009 06:13 PM

My friend texted me saying he was dead, about an hour before it was officially announced. I had no idea what she was talking about. I thought it was a joke or something. So I turned on the news and saw that he was just rushed to the hospital.

When I heard that it was confirmed that he passed away shortly after he fell into a coma, I was almost devastated. The fact that the King of Pop is gone is utterly surreal. I was thinking, "He's like a god! He just can't die!"

I do feel somewhat bad because now Farrah won't get as much recognition, but it is true that MJ's death was sudden and definitely a shock. Everyone knew that Farrah was going to cross over within the next few hours (at the time).

God bless his family and friends. I feel sorry for them all (his poor kids!). Michael Jackson was truly a legend who changed and revolutionized everything in the music industry. That man had unbelievable talent! He could sing, dance, create, entertain, and perform. Again, truly a legend. May he rest in peace.

chloeM 27th June 2009 07:08 PM

yea... Farrah's death shocked me too~

i just watched MJ's concert... and i still cant accept the truth~

TofuBunny 27th June 2009 07:28 PM

Yesterday when we were checking in a hotel, my mom suddenly saw something on her BlackBerry and said casually "MJ died" .. I ha already heard that line three times before, and I was like "It's really not funny anymore" .. when we went to our room, I turn on the TV and every single channel has the same headline, "the king of pop has passed away" .. my eyes popped in shock .. that was soo sudden !

He never affected my life but he probably changed the history of music

R.I.P, King of Pop

PinkShinigami 27th June 2009 09:48 PM

I don't know if this has been uploaded yet.. But seriously, who is THAT sick to upload this? ..

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/06/75724/index.html

I still can't get it!! : /

emi♡ 27th June 2009 10:17 PM

^someone got major cash for that photo.

Amrai-chan 27th June 2009 10:27 PM

I'm not clicking that link but it's that last photo or whatever huh? I pray his loved ones don't have to see it, I pray I never see it.

People make me sick.

The song Money said it so well...

panda♥ 27th June 2009 10:45 PM

It's sick for someone to take a photo for that but Michael is one of the biggest celebrities ever, a picture like that was going to surface sooner or later.

PinkShinigami 27th June 2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amrai-chan (Post 1999108)
I'm not clicking that link but it's that last photo or whatever huh? I pray his loved ones don't have to see it, I pray I never see it.

People make me sick.

The song Money said it so well...

Yeah, it is. And it's just horrible..

ll moments ll 27th June 2009 11:58 PM

i've been blasting nothing but MJ since he died.

"Dirty Diana" is amazing. :heart but my favorite will always be "Smooth Criminal". :D

AyUta 28th June 2009 12:08 AM

That's horrible. :no

Meat Pao 28th June 2009 05:21 AM

The picture was taken by ET, Entertainment Tonight. It's a television show.

luna7996 28th June 2009 05:40 AM

I just read this:

http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-ja...ows_20710.aspx

It basically said that Justin Timberlake might try to save the MJ tour by colaborating with other artist to do a memorial concert for MJ so both fans and artist alike who loved him can bid their respect.

I think is a good idea. One night for fans to just remember him in the best way possible.Though I am sure that is going to be a very tearful concert.:(

emikoishida 28th June 2009 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tasking (Post 1998002)
Hey, everyone! I found a video on CNN.com of Rain/Bi remembering Michael; check it out:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...in.jackson.cnn

That really ****ing sucks because Rain's 27th bday was the day he died. :no

tasking 28th June 2009 07:49 AM

^ Oh wow, really? That SUCKS! :(

Foxxy_Fuyumi 28th June 2009 01:17 PM

I feel so sad... really sad. I think I never felt this for an artist.
I am seeing in his old days , so young, so good... Jesus what a loss.

alternarist 28th June 2009 04:23 PM

RIP Michael Jackson. that was sudden.

ayane4ever 28th June 2009 04:36 PM

i feel really sad :( it was so sudden..he will be missed!!

TofuBunny 28th June 2009 05:32 PM

The Game, Chris Brown, Diddy, Polow Da Don, Mario Winans, Usher, Boys II Men made a tribute to MJ called Better on the Other Side

listen to it here

Melon Panda 28th June 2009 06:11 PM

I went to buy a Michael Jackson album, but they were all sold out. :(

pchan1986 28th June 2009 06:28 PM

that was a hot track thanx for sharing asukaroses

Zemus 28th June 2009 07:16 PM

It appears J-Music legend Seiko Matsuda sang Michael Jackson's "Ben" song during her concert tour this weekend. :) That's really sweet of her.

AyUta 28th June 2009 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luna7996 (Post 1999392)
I just read this:

http://www.hollyscoop.com/michael-ja...ows_20710.aspx

It basically said that Justin Timberlake might try to save the MJ tour by colaborating with other artist to do a memorial concert for MJ so both fans and artist alike who loved him can bid their respect.

I think is a good idea. One night for fans to just remember him in the best way possible.Though I am sure that is going to be a very tearful concert.:(

That would be very nice if he could save the concert and perform a tribute to MJ. Go Justin!

EVILution 28th June 2009 09:31 PM

May his voice never die long live the legend of the King of Pop.

RIP Michael!

AyumiBest 29th June 2009 11:37 AM

When I heard the news I was just utterly shocked. :( R.I.P.

x-megumi-x 29th June 2009 11:57 AM

I didn't listen to him lately but I used to be a big fan when I was younger.
I still can't believe he's gone... I was so shoked when I heard the news on TV :(
Rest in peace Michael

emikoishida 29th June 2009 06:51 PM

His father and Janet appeared at the BET awards.

Janet said, "to you he was an icon, to us he was family,"

But when they interviewed his dad he didn't seem too sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2GUNhS1bs

I've never seen this man so happy. He's an ass.

luna7996 29th June 2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by emikoishida (Post 2001520)
His father and Janet appeared at the BET awards.

Janet said, "to you he was an icon, to us he was family,"

But when they interviewed his dad he didn't seem too sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2GUNhS1bs

I've never seen this man so happy. He's an ass.

Link is not working:(
Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO66BtD35hE

panda♥ 29th June 2009 10:32 PM

I don't think he and his father ever had a good relationship, especially since his dad beat the crap out of him and verbally abused him to no end when he was a child. Didn't his dad say he wanted to keep releasing Michael's music? My dad was probably right when he said alls Michael's dad wants is money.

Amrai-chan 30th June 2009 12:54 AM

On CNN after that one interview they showed that one reporter going up to Joe to clarify some things. If I heard right Joe said something like "Some people cry with tears but I'm crying inside outside I'm strong." Or something like that. It probably hasn't hit him yet. I know when someone I love had died the next day I had been smiling and laughing but deep down...it didn't really hit me until the funeral maybe it's that way with him.

He comes from a time where showing emotion is a sign of weakness.

Joe isn't behaving any differently than he always has. All of the siblings have said Joe is unemotional and distant. That is why they call him Joseph instead of dad or father.

The record label promotion was a bit odd though but grief affects people in different ways and sometimes people just start talking about differnt things.

Someone else should speak for the family though because it doesn't look good to people.

And I wish I could give Janet a hug. Poor dear. Michael and her were very close.

AyUta 30th June 2009 04:30 AM

So the second autopsy wont be out for another week or...?

Nu-NRG 30th June 2009 05:37 AM

I was in total shock when I heard this news and funny thing is my buddy text me while I was in my convocation for college and thought...this is one bad joke to make especially since he said it was from the radio...
got home and found out it is really happening...this is a lost ..
M.J been planning for his come back and this...

panda♥ 30th June 2009 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Amrai-chan (Post 2001847)
And I wish I could give Janet a hug. Poor dear. Michael and her were very close.

I watched Scream last night. :( Michael and Janet seemed so close to eachother. They must have loved eachother so much, it must be really hard for her.

luna7996 30th June 2009 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Amrai-chan (Post 2001847)
On CNN after that one interview they showed that one reporter going up to Joe to clarify some things. If I heard right Joe said something like "Some people cry with tears but I'm crying inside outside I'm strong." Or something like that. It probably hasn't hit him yet. I know when someone I love had died the next day I had been smiling and laughing but deep down...it didn't really hit me until the funeral maybe it's that way with him.

He comes from a time where showing emotion is a sign of weakness.

Joe isn't behaving any differently than he always has. All of the siblings have said Joe is unemotional and distant. That is why they call him Joseph instead of dad or father.

The record label promotion was a bit odd though but grief affects people in different ways and sometimes people just start talking about differnt things.

Someone else should speak for the family though because it doesn't look good to people.

And I wish I could give Janet a hug. Poor dear. Michael and her were very close.


You made a very good point. Never tought of it that way. I already had him on my black list even without seeing things from his point of view. Shame on me....:bsigh

Now that I think about it is quite true how some people dont react to death quite as fast as others. When my neighbor's mom died my neighbor look fine.Totally calm.I tought that it was very strange but when the medics enter the room of the house to pick the body and take her away my neighbor went into a crying fit and started to cry beggin to the medic to please not take her mother away.It was quite scary and sad.:eyes

My mother explain how sometime you see the body and you keep telling yourself...''she is just sleping,she is just sleeping'' and you dont quite wrasp the concept that she is not going to wake up until you see them take her away or until the funeral.:vsad

SunshineSlayer 30th June 2009 11:01 AM

Well, the doctor has now spoken at least through his attorney, saying that the bed was a firm bed (this excuse is only valid if the bed is wood with no cushion!) and then even further goes on to say that he put one hand under Michael's back and then administered CPR with his other hand. (I'm sorry but, is he trying to be funny or something?) And that also this went on for about 30 minutes before calling an ambulance. This just screams negligence to me and often times these house doctors, especially in Hollywood, are little more than enablers with a license - even CPR laymen can tell that this was a botched job let alone various health care professionals that have been weighing in with their opinions. It seems as though this probably could have been prevented, or at least post poned had CPR not been given incorrectly for 30minutes before even calling the ambulance.

Amrai-chan 30th June 2009 11:51 AM

^ Also Michael had a slight pulse.

Yeah words can not begin to describe...

Also I heard the attorney say (then again I could have heard wrong since I'm so agh over the whole thing right now) That the reason that the 'doctor' did not call 911 was becausee he did not know the address of the place so he went to find the cook, while the cook called a bodygarud who then called the ambulence.

Which then it's like if that's the case why couldn't you have called while looking for someone who knew the address.

How are you going to be the 'doctor' for Michael Jackson and not know his address?

I mean... just...

He may not be fully responsible in this but he is some at the least. Or maybe he is fully responsible.

@ panda♥ Yeah. It's said the bond between siblings is very strong, one of a kind thing. I can't imagine how she must feel but she's strong, since she manged to get to the BET awards if only for a few seconds...she was trying not to cry...

@ luna7996 It's really strange how the mind handles things sometimes...

This is hard. At least 12 fans have commited suicde over this. Michael would not have wanted this. Rev. Jesse Jackson and Michael's friend Teddy Riley have left messages with the fans over this. It was kind of kept quiet in the fan circle because of how the media is but it seems Gary spoke out about it here.

I never thought I would have to convice various people who are like extended family to me not to do anything stupid. Just a little while ago I tried to convice someone not to do anything...I hope I got to them somehow.

Ayumi27 30th June 2009 02:39 PM

Apparently, these pics have been taken during dress rehearsal of This is It at Staples Center the night before... He looked strong & healthy :(

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panda♥ 30th June 2009 07:09 PM

Michael looked very happy in those rehearsal pics.

I think "the doctor not knowing the address" is an absolutely ridiculous excuse for irresponsibility. I'm sure if he would have just said "The house Michael Jackson is staying in in Hombly Hills" they'd know what he was talking about. Don't the medics know where all of the VIPs stay? And couldn't they have tracked the call to the location?

I'm almost positive that if Michael was given CPR on the GROUND and if the ambulance was called IMMEDIATELY he would still be alive. I think the doctor should have been monitoring him after he injected the Demerol anyway. It makes me so mad knowing that if 2 of those mistakes were avoided, Michael would still be alive right now. He'd be in the hospital, but he'd still be alive.

At the same time, I'm sure Michael is in a much better place. He doesn't have to worry about the stress of the media or anything. He's free from everything and I'm sure he's alot happier. He probably doesn't want us to be sad, but he's happy now and that's all that matters.

milky_way 30th June 2009 08:32 PM

I just bought the Commemorative Time magazine and I plan on getting the one from USA Today too. I'm still bummed out about this :cry

Amrai-chan 1st July 2009 12:24 AM

Yeah, the fact he doesn't have to stress about the media or anything is a comfort.

Regarding the rehersal pictures....

Epic I tell you, Epic.

Kenny Ortega is working towrds getting the rehersals released...

As he said from his Twitter
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The TII Team is deeply grieving the loss of our dear Michael. Our hearts go out to Michaels Children, Family and Fans around the world. LOVE As we close our eyes on this sad day, DREAM, BELIEVE, THIS IS NOT IT. In time, we will celebrate and honor his vision with you all.

You are not alone in the desire to see Michael celebrated with a Tribute that honors his final work TII We are working to make that real.

ImpactBreaker 1st July 2009 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2002516)
Well, the doctor has now spoken at least through his attorney, saying that the bed was a firm bed (this excuse is only valid if the bed is wood with no cushion!)


I haven't really seem the interview with the attorney, however, chest compressions can be performed efficiently on a bed, and it doesn't need to be 100% hard like a floor is in order for it to work. I can perform CPR on my bed just fine. It's possible for the health professional doing the proper techinique to know if what they're doing is efficient, specially if the patient is thin (which michael surely was) because you can see and feel the sternum diving deep into the chest while doing the compressions. In order for what I'm saying not to sound to vague, here's the abstract of an study showing no technical ifference in chest compressions done on a hospital bed (which is relatively soft) without a board under, and the ones done on the floor (a ahrd surface) by health professionals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19388894. If you are trained and know how to perform the proper technique, it doesn't really matter if you are on a softer surface. I'm sure Michael didn't have a water jelly mattress or an elastic bed, or anything that would make it completely effortless to do the maneuver, anyways, so that statement doesn't invalidate his affirmation that the bed offered a firm surface, nor I believe the outcome would have changed had MJ received chest compressions on the floor surface. That's a technical tidbit that people will be pulling in order to blame whoever they can.

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2002516)
and then even further goes on to say that he put one hand under Michael's back and then administered CPR with his other hand. (I'm sorry but, is he trying to be funny or something?)

On the other hand this sounds a little bizarre. I haven't heard of this technique for doing CPR. I'm used to chest compressions with both hands followed by mouth-to-mouth breaths or the use of respiratory devices. I wonder if he'll explain this better or if his attorney just got lost in expalining the procedure that was done.

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2002516)
And that also this went on for about 30 minutes before calling an ambulance. This just screams negligence to me and often times these house doctors, especially in Hollywood, are little more than enablers with a license - even CPR laymen can tell that this was a botched job let alone various health care professionals that have been weighing in with their opinions. It seems as though this probably could have been prevented, or at least post poned had CPR not been given incorrectly for 30minutes before even calling the ambulance.

Once you start CPR you can't stop it to do something outside form the CPR standards. If he were to stop chest compressions in order to make a phone call, he'd be wasting time. I wonder about the other people in the house, like weren't there other employees around? They could have called the ambulance in the mean time.

It's really hard to put the blame on his death on the quality of assitance. Do you guys know how long was michael in respiratory arrest the moment he was found like that by someone or his doctor? If he was on an arrest for a couple of minutes when he was found, not even the best CPR would save him if anoxya and hypoperfusion had already caused damaged enugh damage to the brain, heart and other organs. Maybe some of those questions could becme a little less blurry by an autopsy and police enquiry, like estimating the exact time of his death (I mean you can try CPR on a person who's found dead but that doesn't mean CPR will be effective). If we take the hypothesis that he had a demerol overdosis, demerol kills by causing a respiratory arrest. Once the person stops breathing for a longer time, hypoxia comes and a cardiac arrest is the one of its consequences, generally as a pulseless heart activity or an asystole. asystole has a really poor prognosis, specially if the duration of the event has already taking a long time before CPR was administrated in cases in which the cuase was potentially reversible. While these kinds of heart arrests can genrally be reverted, the outcome is generally not good, and I bleieve Michael Jackson had one of those rather the ventricular fibrillation which can be promptly reverted by deffibrilation with a cardioversor.


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^ Also Michael had a slight pulse.

Where did you read that? If you have a central pulse, you're not on cardiac arrest, therefore, chest compressions are not indicated. If the person was pulseless but during CPR, a pulse is palpable, it shows the CPR is being relativelly efficient. If, after pausing for a few seconds the chest compressions in order to check for pulses, a central pulse is palpable, the cardiac arrest has been reverted, and chest compressions can be stopped.



About not knowing the adress, well, if the doctor or michael himself had designated people specifically for taking the doctor over his home, I don't really see why would it be absolutely necessary for the doctor himself to have the exact address memorized.

Was it confirmed that the last demrol injection was administered by the doctor though? I agree that if he did it, he should've had monitored Michael. However, are we really sure that Michael didn't really inject himself with it or osmething else before dying? I think we need ;wmore clues before making accusations. With more clues maybe it might become more clear that proper assistance was not given or that the doctors actions ultimately led to MJ's death, but that's really too premature too assume imo.

kendelle 1st July 2009 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by panda♥ (Post 2002933)
Michael looked very happy in those rehearsal pics.

I think "the doctor not knowing the address" is an absolutely ridiculous excuse for irresponsibility. I'm sure if he would have just said "The house Michael Jackson is staying in in Hombly Hills" they'd know what he was talking about. Don't the medics know where all of the VIPs stay? And couldn't they have tracked the call to the location?

In Australia celebrities & the high-profile people (ie politicians, large business owners like Coles and Woolworths etc) have "panic buttons" all through out their houses. In case of emergency they simply press the button and the police are out there in minutes. It's a priority system for people in the public eye in case a person breaks in or there's a stalker outside. They would DEFINITELY have something similar in other countries.

It looks like conspiracy theorists have decided that he didn't die after all and have posted a bunch of blurred pics claiming they're MJ on Monday, escaping overseas and going to Mexico. We have Elvis Mark II :thud

I was always going to buy his albums that I liked when I was younger (we only have cassette tapes! xD) but I feel like a sheep going to get them now :P I'll wait again...I wonder when the 100+ unreleased songs he's recorded will start to leak?

SunshineSlayer 1st July 2009 07:57 AM

^ There is no doubt though that the doctors behavior is questionable to say the least. Why disappear after the fact and immediately hire a criminal attorney even though the police had said he wasn't a suspect. Not calling 911 immediately makes absolutely no sense, I doubt he was the only person there (for sure he wasn't since someone else made the 911 call and the caller uses the word "they"), and if he was you still always call 911 before you start CPR - it doesn't matter how much CPR you do if no ambulence is on the way. If he can somehow manage the feat of performing CPR with one hand, he can certainly do it with 2 hands while talking on the phone supported by his shoulder. That would actually make more sense than anything he has claimed. :) Also this guy was supposed to be a cardiologist (but he was not board certified, there's a major red flag right there) but yet he apparently didn't know how to properly run a heart related code? Nor did he have a crash cart with any of the materials that are actually necessary in emergency situations. Why hire a cardiologist in the first place then?

I actually asked my mother about the hospital beds thing (she has been a nurse for 25+ years) and she confirmed that CPR should never be given on a bed - doesn't matter how firm it is, especially when the person could be moved to the floor. Hospital beds are firmer than most beds, yet nurses/doctors are still required to put a backboard underneath a patient when giving CPR. You can see the same opinion from several other doctors and nurses.

And yeah, the "one handed CPR" trick - I can't believe his lawyer is going with that as a defense it just seems like a desperate move to try to explain away the CPR being performed on a bed. If CPR on a bed is inefficient, one handed CPR is pretty much impossible. :)

Not knowing the address doesn't matter either since when you call 911, the police can get your address almost immediately. Besides that, it is pretty weird that he didn't know the address of the place that he himself was living at.

And then, I don't know how "official" to consider this yet, but according to a few sources by the time that paramedics arrived, it was obvious Jackson was dead and had been so for a while. They wanted to call the coroner, yet the doctor insisted that they run a full code.

ImpactBreaker 1st July 2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2003699)
^ There is no doubt though that the doctors behavior is questionable to say the least. Why disappear after the fact and immediately hire a criminal attorney even though the police had said he wasn't a suspect. Not calling 911 immediately makes absolutely no sense, I doubt he was the only person there (for sure he wasn't since someone else made the 911 call and the caller uses the word "they"), and if he was you still always call 911 before you start CPR - it doesn't matter how much CPR you do if no ambulence is on the way.

Well, I don't deny his behavior was questionable. However, with the way the media and people try to find small tidbits to place a heavy burden over anything, I do believe it is more prudent for him to be very cautious on what is going to be said, because since he was one of the last people that were around michael and the fact he was also a doctor do surely have a heavy implication over this issue. The last sentence is not true. If there's more than one person in a place and one of them knows advanced life support techniques, this person should never delay the CPR in order to do something else (calling, etc). They should start CPR an yell for somebody else to call the ambulance. I will actually say something opposite from what you stated: it doesn't really matter if any ambulance is on its way if the person's brain and heart have already been fully damaged by the lack of oxygenation/perfusion after a few minutes of a cardiac arrest in which CPR was neglected just because the person was calling 911 to give instructions. Unless neither of them didn't know what to do, and were to receive CPR instructions through the phone. He was a doctor so receiving instrucitons to perform CPR was theoretically not to be necessary lol. He shouldn't really stop CPR in order to call the ambulance. I'm sure michael had other people at home to do that.


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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2003699)
If he can somehow manage the feat of performing CPR with one hand, he can certainly do it with 2 hands while talking on the phone supported by his shoulder. That would actually make more sense than anything he has claimed. :) Also this guy was supposed to be a cardiologist (but he was not board certified, there's a major red flag right there) but yet he apparently didn't know how to properly run a heart related code? Nor did he have a crash cart with any of the materials that are actually necessary in emergency situations. Why hire a cardiologist in the first place then?

There's a msiconception here. Cardiologists don't walk with medication charts. Also, hiring a cardiologist doesn't mean the cardiologist will necessarily have to pay a visit with a mobile ICU unit. That's really unreal to think at the least. If Mike's condition was so bad that a doctor would have to pay a visit like that, he would have to have been in a hospital instead. It makes no sense to be on a house with no medical team to help and to be carrying advanced support medications just for the sake of that-who's going to venopuncture, break vials, prepare syringes, apply the emdication, get the defibrilaltor ready for use, performa cardiac massage, intubate, ventilate and everything else all at once? He wouldn't even be able to handle everything alone, which means he shouldn't even be carrying them. Unless he's a well trained octopus. :laugh If there was an eminent need for such things, Michael shouldn't even be at home at first place.


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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2003699)
I actually asked my mother about the hospital beds thing (she has been a nurse for 25+ years) and she confirmed that CPR should never be given on a bed - doesn't matter how firm it is, especially when the person could be moved to the floor. Hospital beds are firmer than most beds, yet nurses/doctors are still required to put a backboard underneath a patient when giving CPR. You can see the same opinion from several other doctors and nurses.

If you are on a hospital, you pretty much make sure you're not missing any routine, specially since materials are always placed in a way the routine will be performed as efficiently as possible. One rule in medicine is that nothing is 100% a rigid rule (no pun intended). I'm quite sure the fact michael's CPR was made on a bed was not what ultimately lead to his death, and putting the blame on that is really a bit too much. I do question the way the maneuver was done as described by his attorney though. That on the other hand sounds weird, and could have actually made CPR non-efficient.

I'm not denying this doctor might have some guilty on the whole thing though. I'm just pointing out that we shouldn't be palcing the blame over things that really might not have fully interfered in this outcome. It's weird that this guy was a cardiologist without a board certificate and other stuff. I wonder if Michael hired some cheap doctor so that he could to have easier/prompt access to control prescription drugs like opioid drugs though. With his money and the way some doctors prostitute their profession for money, that wouldn't really surprise me.:no

JackieRos 1st July 2009 10:45 PM

They are now saying that possibly a strong medicine named Diprivan may have caused his death

rookies 1st July 2009 11:28 PM

I'm going to watch Entertainment Tonight (ET) later on tonight when it airs for updates and stuff on MJ.

Purple Neko 2nd July 2009 01:23 AM

I love his music! im so sad he is gone. RIP Michael :(

Amrai-chan 2nd July 2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2003249)
Where did you read that?

I heard it from the attorney. Unless I was tripping I think it was an interview with Anderson Cooper? One of those CNN people.

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They are now saying that possibly a strong medicine named Diprivan may have caused his death
Yeah, some lady was making rounds to the media claiming all kinds of stuff. But she still didn't go tell the cops.

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I was always going to buy his albums that I liked when I was younger (we only have cassette tapes! xD) but I feel like a sheep going to get them now I'll wait again...I wonder when the 100+ unreleased songs he's recorded will start to leak?
I'm kind of the same. I have his albums and all but I never got around to buying alot of The Jackson 5/The Jacksons stuff and I need to re buy my MJ DVDs because I can't find them for some reason.

and that 100+ should be more like 500+ hehe. I remember Quincy Jones saying something like there was at least 800 songs written/recorded for just Thriller which they eventully cut to what it is now and Michael has mentioned that he records several hundred songs per album.

If they're all completed who knows?

The song Hold My Hand leaked a while ago though...

Don't really think the songs will leak but I've heard the album he was working on with Will.I.Am finished so...we will see in due time.

pchan1986 2nd July 2009 08:42 PM

check out his last rehearsal on CNN.com i love the guitar and i wonder what song that is. it sounds GREAT!^^

Amrai-chan 3rd July 2009 03:18 AM

The song is They Don't Care About Us from the HIStory album.

That was cool he blended the songs They Don't Care About Us, HIStory then back to TDCAU, then the horn was from She Drives Me Wild but the beat was from Why You Wanna Trip On Me.

He didn't go full out because it was a rehersal but imagine if he had. Epic.

AyUta 4th July 2009 05:08 AM

Did you guys know that they had one of MJ's Neverland rides at the Pleasanton Fair this year in honor of him? I went yesterday and I got to see it! It was in the kids section of the fair, but apparently adults can ride it too. I thought that was cool :). Butler Amusement bought it in a private auction or something like that in September of last year I think.

ll moments ll 4th July 2009 06:04 AM

is anyone trying to get the free memorial tickets at the L.A. Staples Center for Tuesday? you can register for them here: http://www.staplescenter.com/memorial.php if you can make it. they're only doing this until tomorrow July 4th by 6PM (PST) so hurry!

i just submitted the online form. i hope by some miracle i get a pair. @_@;;

rookies 4th July 2009 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AyUta (Post 2007753)
Did you guys know that they had one of MJ's Neverland rides at the Pleasanton Fair this year in honor of him? I went yesterday and I got to see it! It was in the kids section of the fair, but apparently adults can ride it too. I thought that was cool :). Butler Amusement bought it in a private auction or something like that in September of last year I think.

You're lucky, you got to see it, that's cool.

Were there a lot of people at this fair?


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