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There's also the possibility that she just didn't accept the invitation in the end and that's that...
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who cares if she was invited to FNS or not...its aleady over. :( The fact that she didn't attend and there won't be Happy Xmas show anymore SUCKS. :(
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Happy Xmas Show was replaced by a Panasonic Viera -Platinum Ticket Special- this year:
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At least she's going to be on Music Station. Really looking forward to this.
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That's some good news there - looking forward to that. But I'm just wondering...did the 2009 FNS music festival only had an average of 18.5% among Japanese TV viewers? I'm just wondering - I think it dropped from last year's 19.7%, and it's the lowest since 2000 (at 19.3%)...does anybody know about this? And if it is really true, is it really because of Ayu was not there? I think the FNS music festival audience REALLY can be dependent on Ayu - in 2004, 21.8%; in 2006 when she performed JEWEL on its special orchestra version form (one of my favorite live performances on TV for Ayu), it was 21.3%...
Here's the link: http://otogumi.fujitv.co.jp/lovekp/E20091203001.html |
Yay~! MS :clapclap
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Cool! Can't wait to see her on Music Station! Her TV performances of Sunrise and Sunset were great vocally, I hope she can keep that up! :D
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great.. thanks for the info. I hope she appears in black hair
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I also don't think it's because of Ayu that the ratings are going down. Arashi were there and a lot of other acts that are more popular than Ayu. Would be nice if she had that effect, but I seriously doubt it.
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Whoooa! MS NEXT WEEK! awesome
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There was only one sunrise performance that I thought was bad.. I think it was when she was in yellow.. I forget which one that was. The rest were good, maybe even great. I don't think You were... is an easy song to sing at all.. it will probably end up being a screamfest lol. BALLAD on the other hand seems like it'd be a piece of cake to sing live, kind of like Sunset was.
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yay for the MS perf. :D I just want to see her stunnin' like the JEWEL performances *_* (hopefully)
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so at CDTV Super Live, Ayu sang You were... and Rule. She wore a pinky fluffy dress (my roommate said モコモコ/mokomoko, which is like...furry, i thought... but i'm not sure...) and then she came out with her dancers in her bondage-y outfit to sing Rule.
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You Were...and Rule is great, but fluffy pink dress? o.0
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Rule is great...can't wait to see her you were... performance
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I wasn't expecting Rule but I'm happy she sang it since it's one of my favorite ayu songs. I can't wait to see it!
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Great You were...+Rule <3
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And they were vocally great o_O? I don't remember hearing any bad performances, especially for sunset. |
^ Then I don't understand what your definition of a "bad" performance is. :) Sunset were acceptable, but Sunrise.... and that Boys and Girls performance with Sunrise at Music Fair was just embarrassing. Why was she holding the mic out for the audience to sing where there is no audience there?
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If I am not wrong she sang Mirrorcle World and SURREAL on CDTV Supper Live the last year; and somehow I am pretty sure we're talking about two different shows here :) |
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And that Boys & Girls performance was SO CUTE, omg. |
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Yeah, I mean if you truly actually believe that her vocals have gotten BETTER since her ear thing, then I just don't know what to say to you. :)
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^^ hey..hey..no need to argue :D
anyone can have their own perspective on how ayu sounded live recently, but all of us still enjoy (at least interested on watch her latest performance)) her performances!! that's the ayu fans spirit!! |
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Maybe that's why Sunrise/Sunset wasn't that great to you :P |
Everyone has their own opinions on her voice. I still think sometimes she sounds bad, but for the most part she sounds good. There's no reason to argue over someone's opinion...really.
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And yeah, I liked sunrise lives... she was sounding as bad as she did before noticing she was deaf, what was a relief imo |
I also think she has improved her vocals...
I just remember A BEST 2 promo, glitter lives - OMG they were terrible! - t2m, together when - some where good, but by this time I remember how everyone considered she did a good live even if she went off key a few times -, CDL 07-08 was IMO her worst concert vocally since CDL 2002-03, MW lives where bad too... was with a-nation 08 and Days that a miracle happened or something, she improved a lot since MW lives... AT 08 where also better vocally... PCDL were great! and also a-nation 2009 was great! I've seen an improvement... and aslo her voice has changed... singing better doesn't mean singing as she did in 2005... IMO |
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Everything was so beautiful... ayu, her outfits, the backgrounds.. but her voice was just really bad. Although there was ONE that I thought she did really good.. but the rest were just so sad. I think ayu's voice just changes a lot. She has bad lives and good lives. One day her voice can sound awful and another day it can sound really good. But I think her voice has improved since 2008 and she hasn't been using her vibrato as much live unless it fits in the song, and it doesn't sound so unusual. She used to basically put vibrato into every song even when it didn't fit, it annoyed me so much. But she has toned it down and there is definitely an improvement IMO. Now she should just work on not yelling so much. |
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Hm, so then when will we get to see the You Were + Rule performances?
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I think she has had some ups and downs vocally |
^ But all of those things that you listed as good are extremely debatable as to how much of it was actually live and/or not edited to sound better in post production. I mean its not even debatable actually that Ayu's concert dvds are very edited. I always think for any artist, the only accurate barometer of their live singing ability is usually their performances on music shows and I have to say that Pride at FNS 2005 was probably the last time I was blown away by her vocals on tv. She had some nice ones in 2006 too, but not like omg amazing.
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Well, I was impressed with Ayu vocals on TV only 3 times:
Haru yo, koi at Music Fair Desire with Akina Nakamori at Ayu Ready Pride at FNS - other than that, she usually is from "ok" (her good lives) to "please, die!", with some few good ones here and there and in the end of the day, her best vocal performances come from concerts (considering tv versions of CDLs)... So, I don't get why people are expecting Whitney Houston from Jennifer Lopez... |
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Thank you! I didn't see it in the first page lol. |
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Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ |
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You win, baby! Yeah I thought SEASONS was amazing! I have that performance somewhere. I hope she sounds as amazing as that.... or should I not since it was probably a bad performance anyway... I'm really looking forward to see the transition from You were... to Rule! I guess in a way those songs could go together, it's very interesting and unpredictable :P |
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ANYWAYS, to bring this back on topic. I am wondering if the reasons she seems to be doing less performances on tv this year (and now doing a pre-recorded performance instead of a live one for CDTV) has anything to do with her being worried about her vocal ability. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but its just a thought. |
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^Maybe if u wasn't quoting people who like her vocal to say that they are wrong, that her vocals ARE bad and that u can't understand what is that person parameter to find a vocal performance good... well, maybe people would be a little less defensive x_x
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I didn't know she didn't do any TV performances from 1998 to 2002 |
^ But I never said anyone was wrong. Isn't it obvious that what anyone posts here is opinion? And if I have no barometer for what someone considers is a bad performance, how can I actually have a discussion with them about it?
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^I can't imagine any way of dicussiing vocal quality without being only a matter of taste without going technical... and most people here don't know anything about vocal technique...
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^ Right, exactly. I thought it should be understood that even if I think her vocals are getting bad, its still obviously just my opinion.
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I don't understand how this is related to my post in any way :shrug |
^ Seems there is a breakdown in communication. You quoted me as saying: "So how can you possibly point to those as examples of how good her vocals are?" And then responded with tv performances. BUT my quote was referring to DVD performances. So you kind of confused me because I never said her tv performances were questionable.
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this is getting so confusing that even my ayu posters are falling off the walls |
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You're allowed to have your opinion but I'm just going to say it's annoying when usually your posts consist of a negative paragraph relating to ayu + 1-2 positive sentences that are mostly backhanded compliments about ayu + insert ":)" face here. |
^ I've never meant anything as a backhanded compliment. It's either a praise or a flat out criticism. There's nothing backhanded at all in saying I love You We're's lyrics or that You We're's PV is my favorite part of the single so far. etc etc. Since when did posting something negative with positive become a bad thing and not a "balanced opinion"? If it seems something is more negative, that is only because the discussion topics on this board usually lean towards subjects that can be perceived as negative. Obviously people aren't going to be able to go on for paragraphs about how pretty Ayu's dress is or how great her hair looks etc etc., because those aren't deep discussion topics.
If something is 100% good, obviously I'm only going to have good things to say about it - for example, her tv performance of Pride in FNS as mentioned in this thread - that is one of Ayu's most perfect moments ever and I have absolutely no criticisms of it AT ALL. But if it is not like that, then it is remiss to say something is perfect if I feel that it is not. And honestly, there are only a few people on this board that are critical of Ayu (in a non-hater way) so that makes those peoples posts stand out more than they probably should. |
get used to it , there are some fans that even thought they are always posting nagative things about her, just cant seem to move on and accept they no longer like Ayumi Hamasaki. not saying you cant dislike some things she do or some of her songs or lives. like me, i hate her homo dancers and happy songs like sunset and glitter, but i love most of her ballads and rockish songs and still enjoy some of her lives . the moment i stop liking anything of her will be the day i stop listening to her music and try finding something new ^^
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^ Because you made it sound like anything positive I say is a backhanded compliment, which is not the case.
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So she sang you were + rule?!? That's an interesting combination!!! lol I hope she sings BALLAD once!! Or maybe she's saving it for CDL like GREEN? and we'll get an epic performace!! lol
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Chonchan will appear at 『BEST ARTIST 2009』 on December 15th :luv2
http://i47.tinypic.com/2emj6yq.jpg (click the pic for larger version) Website: http://www.ntv.co.jp/best-artist/ |
^ Yipeee! :D Can't wait to see!
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Yay! I had just checked the Best Artist site not long ago, but nothing was updated. Looking forward to Ayu, Arashi, Speed, and Kuwata Keisuke the most. We'll see who else gets added too.
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Yay!!! And ikimono-gakari's coming too! But Ayu should better not perform "Rule" again - it's just too late for that...
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^So? Rule was a well accepted song, people seem to have liked it. She sang SURREAL the last year, it's not all about promotion...
Hmm when it comes to her vocals, I do think that compared to CDL 07-08 she has improved a bit, the TV ver. was hard for me to listen to during some of the songs (and I love her "live" voice). Her voice during PCDL did sound better (the TV ver. again). As for the Sunrise performances, the Music Station one was my fave one and she did good :) I don't think that Ayu is pre-recording anything because she is afraid of how she'll sound (for all we know the whole show might've been pre-recorded). She had bigger "flops" in TV shows during her career than not sounding good (ie the Voyage performance when she forgot the lyrics and she had the whole choir behind her...). Imo she seems very confident when it comes to her stage skills. |
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Ayu has had ups and downs in her career vocally, and its not gonna change. For me, I hate the Duty album vocally because it sounded to me that she just continued singing from her nose. I also really wonder what made her voice go downhill so much from 2005-2006 countdown, to Arena Tour 2006, which featured much more damaged vocals that the countdown itself... Born to be's vocals were really bad... I have to wonder now if she does really smoke sometimes, because of course we know she has lost hearing in one ear but if you listen closely you can hear her breathing and everything is changed and almost so short breathed. But I really gotta agree with many people against SunshineSlayer. I feel most of the time, you only say bad things about the Ayu of right now, and say this is lipsync, that is lipsync, etc. I always expect it from you to come in at the perfect time and say 'this is the lipsync, dont even tell me its not.' It's not enough that it's your opinon, you gotta have to create it into some kind of law, and try to tell others that they are wrong saying its not lipsync, or whatever. Also, maybe sometimes people dont wanna have a rational conversation about Ayu. Sometimes, they just love something so much that they wanna overlook, and I wanna do that a lot too. I dont want to have someone force their own opinions into me, saying how bad she is, how she always lipsyncs, and if she sounds good, it must be edited. And I read that you didnt mean that if she sounds good in TV live then it must be edited, but you did say that you wonder if the reason why CDTV was not live was because she's afraid of vocals, and if you say that, doesnt it imply she will edit that vocal too? I wanted to say that for a long time now, to stop trying to make everything into a fact that she has not improved at all from 2007 - 2008 countdown, how sucks she is, how she always lipsyncs, etc, because it just pissed everyone off... try to make things sound more non-confrontational and not looking for a fight, because thats how it sounds, when you always complain about something and put :) ... thanks. Thats all I will say to that, so on another note, I'm really looking forward to the performance of You were... I can't wait! |
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About the SunshineSlayer drama, I'm mostly lurking in this forum, but since I have some free time atm I'm slowly starting to participate. It really seems that her comments are mostly negative, but it seems to me she's still an Ayu fan at heart and wants her to do better. And honestly it's not that bad to have some people criticize Ayu, like she said it keeps the discussion going. It would be horrible if the whole forum would hate on Ayu, but it's for the most part a happy forum, which approves of the thing Ayu does. (Except Sunrise and Sunset Covers:)) Honestly I'm a member of another Ayu forum and everything Ayu does is bad for the members there, I doubt they are really fans, the way they hate on her releases there. When you write your opinion there, you get backlash immediately (especially if they disagree) So I much prefer AHS - and I like the members and how mature they seem. I also like to read SunshineSlayers opinions, so just leave her be. :yes |
I'm so happy!!!
CDTV, Music Station, kouhaku and now Best Artist 2009 as well!! Awesome, already 4 TV performances (and I wonder if that will be all =P). |
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^ I have the same question.. or maybe I'm answering you XDD
TA send an e-mail today about "Music Station Super Live 2009" for 25 of December. Spoiler:
and I also have this e-mail: Music Station 11 december Spoiler:
so we Have Music Station and Music Station Super Live ^^ (and CDTV, and Kouhaku and BEST Artist!! YAY) |
^Yay, that's really cool. So many performances. This kind of makes up for the FNS show. I always lol at how Music Station always discriminates against Boys in the audience. :D
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Yay!! So it makes it 5? ^______^
Excellent!!! Maybe in one of them she will sing BALLAD. ^^ Btw will the Music Station Super Live will be 3 hours and will have a special ranking of something? (like the koiuta and happy/sad songs) |
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Oh so no ranking this time? T_T Oh well...
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Thank you two~. ^^
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First of all, she is not saying everything ayu does is bad, most people just love to overread everything positive she says and stick to the negative only, because a majority of this forum seems to hate people with opinions different from theirs to an extent in which they, instead of ignoring them or putting them or their ignore-list, attack them. She "forced her opinion on others" way less than the people telling her she is wrong all the time. Also, whenever she says she suspects a performance to be playback there is a reason to it. Be it her own experience when visiting one of her concerts(she visited Japan for ayu more than once, so I'm pretty sure you could call her a fan and not a hater), a performance that sounds very much like like a previous one, the absence of mic-noises when performing with a head-mic, overdone mouth movements, concert reports, just feeling(trust me, when you watched and visited many concerts you get a sense for what's playback and what's live, you just notice it without being able to prove it in any way) or others. Sure you can't talk her to think a performance she says is playback instead is live, you wouldn't let somebody talk you to think an obviously live-sung performance was playback either, right? So it's the same everybody here does, but when somebody with your opinion does the same you don't mind. And sometimes when ayu very obviously playbacked(PCDL ANGEL'S SONG, AT09 EnergizE) she sure will express her opinion in a more direct way, because it sometimes is shocking how people do NOT notice and stick to saying ayu sung live, sometimes even saying ayu ALWAYS sings live, which we all know is not true. Another thing: When a performance for TV or radio is prerecorded, the chances of it being edited are 95% at least, they will definitly run an auto-tuner over it fixing all the off notes, because that takes a few seconds and has big effect, it can even be done live for a few years now, the devices doing that live are spotted in more and more concerts.(I remember a 2003 or 2002 report of a britney spears concert saying there were 3 of them on stage for example) and probably often are backstage so people don't see them. Also, I don't know if I get you right, but are you implying that SunshineSlayer said ayu hasn't improved from CDL0708? I don't remember her ever saying that and I'm pretty sure she hasn't because CDL0708 was a special case, being a few days before or after her completely losing the hearing on one ear. And I think we all agree that ayus vocals in the past ~2-3 years have generally been around the same level with some ups and downs. And AT09 for a big part has been more towards the down side. SunshineSlayer belongs to the few people on here that actually seem to have an opinion different from loving everything ayu does, to the few people that actually HAVE an own opinion on here. |
I became to appreciate and resepct Sunshineslayer since her opinions are just as good as mine.
I also love discussing with her from time to time even if it doesn't mean we will always agree. I don't think that Sunshineslayer hates ayu at all or even hint it and her opinions are needed as everyone else's. Now trolls and people who come here and say crap all the time or put the same "it's awful" sentences all over again, those are the people who annoy and have nothing to contribute as much as the "it's the best thing in the world" phrases people. |
@noidea - regarding the mic noise, I am not sure if you're aware of it xD but there is a whole "scientific" side of the story and today it's really easy to get rid of various types of noise...so that shouldn't even be considered a valid proof. It's one thing to attend the concert or watch the live broadcast and another thing to speculate and base your opinion on "heavily" edited footage. But I think that when it comes to that topic all has been said. I decided to enjoy the show instead of thinking about things that generally don't matter to me.
Ayu had pre-recorded performances before (Sunrise@Heyx3 anyone?, all the CDTV perfs. should also be pre-recorded) and she isn't the only one...so while I respect SunshineSlayer's opinion I think it wasn't necessary to point out the fact that Ayu might be avoiding to sing live as most likely the whole show is getting pre-recorded. She had tons of performances that were far from vocally impressive, tons of times she forgot the lyrics and even sang the wrong part of MW during two big shows the last year, why would she possibly be afraid after all that. |
IMO the main problem that some people has to SunshineSlayer posts is not really what is being said, but how is it being said... Sometimes I feel that she just "sounds" more agressive than she wants to be
About the lip-synch... this discussion is stupid... if Ayu doesn't messes up with anything or doesn't dance like someone having an epiletic atack (energize) it's just speculation... So, it's irritating when someone come here and keep repeating about how much she lip-synch having as proof things like "I have no life, so I compared all her lives from this 60 dates tour and concluded it all sounded the same! God knows she isn't singing at all!" or anything like that... cuz in the end is just a opinion, pretty much like "OMFG!1 AYU IS SO AWESOME AND HER POO IS MADE OF GOLD AND IS KIRA KIRA!" If people don't wanna discuss this, and if there is a specific topic about it, I don't get why bringing this on EVERYTIME the girl farts live! |
ooo so many performances!! Can't wait!! Last year I was new to the forum so I had a hard time keeping up with all the days performances but this year I am so ready!!! I have to clear out my hard drive so I can try and download the full shows!! lol
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