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TITANIC 13th October 2009 02:44 PM

ughh.. thats not good number if it stops in this number...

freedreamer 13th October 2009 04:07 PM

110k!!

jbrat2219 13th October 2009 05:22 PM

So, one or two more weeks and it's 110K? I can live with that.

Ayu_Ready 13th October 2009 06:03 PM

XD it will reach 110k u_u

zyoeru 13th October 2009 07:10 PM

I think it'll get to 110k

waterballoon 13th October 2009 07:25 PM

Well if it did then it far exceeded my expectations. :P

KarenPang 14th October 2009 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2123714)
Well if it did then it far exceeded my expectations. :P

LOL

I think that's ditto for pretty much everyone Jun Xiang who thought S/S was gonna tank

shizukanaotoko 14th October 2009 11:16 AM

just one to two more weeks >_< it has to break the 110 mark~~~ anyway, i hope ayu's next song is a lot better so i won't have to hope and pray for it to break such a low mark (especially considering it's ayu)

Crystal_Ageha 14th October 2009 12:20 PM

^ Same here. :X I have high hopes, though. From the start, I didn't have a great feeling about this one. >_<'

brener 14th October 2009 01:59 PM

hopes for 110k (:

go ayu!

rakeru 14th October 2009 08:54 PM

please let this be like t2m-- sell low, then the next single will be better. i wouldn't want to imagine that the next will be lower than 110k, but the way things are going, it's a possibility.

Ayu_Ready 15th October 2009 06:17 PM

Sunrise/sunset is already better as talkin 2 myself/decision you know oO"

KarenPang 15th October 2009 06:19 PM

^ in terms of sales yes but some people on here will disagree with you in the fact that doesn't mean a single that sold more than talkin' 2 myself , it doesn't mean the single itself is good , quality & song wise

for me eh , I like both singles so xD

waterballoon 15th October 2009 06:43 PM

I love t2m & decision & Sunrise... Sunset WAS omg but now it's getting annoying.

Also Sunrise = her worst single cover, EVER and I don't wish for any worse to come.. so I kinda prefer t2m. :P

ALfromHELLSING 15th October 2009 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2123319)
9th Week
Position: Still Unknown
Official Sales: 408
Official Total Sales: 109,515

Out of the top 100.

great! go to 110 Ayu!:D

Ayu_Ready 16th October 2009 07:46 PM

stay strong S:S !

ayumisrael 20th October 2009 02:37 PM

10th Week
Position: Still Unknown
Sales: 403
Total Sales: 109,918

Less than 100 to outsell 110,000! Let's hope it will chart for another week. ^^

nanakopy87 20th October 2009 02:42 PM

that's close..lets each of us but 1 more copy :P

SURREAL__RAINBOW 20th October 2009 03:06 PM

^lol i have both versions already... couldnt buy more xD

waterballoon 20th October 2009 03:36 PM

I'm sure it will still chart next week, so 110k is within the hands. :)

rakeru 20th October 2009 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nanakopy87 (Post 2129813)
that's close..lets each of us but 1 more copy :P

or just everyone who downloaded it instead of buying xD

Ayumiko 20th October 2009 07:09 PM

that is too close! XD...I'm glad the sales didn't drop much from the previous week. Hopefully the single will chart for at least another week.

Ayu_Ready 20th October 2009 07:58 PM

ho god it's long XD GO AYU !

zyoeru 20th October 2009 09:51 PM

So close!
It has a pretty good chance.

ayuayu798 20th October 2009 11:54 PM

WOW! The sales barely went don't!!! It's gonna hit 110K!!

KarenPang 21st October 2009 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2129807)
10th Week
Position: Still Unknown
Sales: 403
Total Sales: 109,918

Less than 100 to outsell 110,000! Let's hope it will chart for another week. ^^

good good , it will cross 110K next week , I'm sure

ayumisrael 21st October 2009 09:19 AM

As truehappiess (than you!!) ^^ brought the new infotmation to our forum:

Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ sold over 750,000 digitally!
chaku uta FULL: Certified Platinum (250,000-499,999)
chaku utaL Certified Double Platinum (500,000-749,999).

Source: http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/chart/w091020.html
Credits: truehappiness.

Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ did as well as Together When... digitally!
It also did way better than glitter/fated digitally. ^^

Meat Pao 21st October 2009 12:19 PM

Wow they really do love the song huh! XD

TITANIC 21st October 2009 02:27 PM

yaiiy.. finally S/S has better chart run than R/S

sanzo2011 21st October 2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2130619)
Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ sold over 750,000 digitally!
chaku uta FULL: Certified Platinum (250,000-499,999)
chaku utaL Certified Double Platinum (500,000-749,999).

Hope it can get million certification . And Double platnium 's for ringtone ?!

njanjayrp 21st October 2009 03:21 PM

^ that will, sadly, hardly ever happen.

Ayu_Ready 21st October 2009 05:54 PM

ho yeah so good =D

zyoeru 21st October 2009 06:23 PM

Wow! And wasn't Together When... her best charting digital song???

ayumisrael 21st October 2009 07:53 PM

Btw Days sold 350,000 legal downloads (platinum for full song and gold for ringtone),
Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ sold way more digitally so it's as a hit song as Days or even a bit more loved. :)
It seems like that her summer singles are still her best selling singles (at least digitally) :laugh

Crystal_Ageha 21st October 2009 08:40 PM

^ Ugh, that news actually depresses me. Sunrise is not as good as Days. :mad

zyoeru 21st October 2009 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2131064)
Btw Days sold 350,000 legal downloads (platinum for full song and gold for ringtone),
Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ sold way more digitally so it's as a hit song as Days or even a bit more loved. :)
It seems like that her summer singles are still her best selling singles (at least digitally) :laugh

That makes me happy. I think that Sunrise has a more pleasing melody. :)

waterballoon 22nd October 2009 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha (Post 2131108)
^ Ugh, that news actually depresses me. Sunrise is not as good as Days. :mad

lol I agree... but good for her nevertheless... Days has uber longevity though. :D

koumori 22nd October 2009 02:15 AM

Ah..it's nice coming to this thread xD It's so exciting and happy~! Go Ayu ! xD

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 22nd October 2009 02:19 AM

Go Ayu!

and I still hate the thread title lol

TITANIC 22nd October 2009 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zyoeru (Post 2130998)
Wow! And wasn't Together When... her best charting digital song???

I think HEAVEN her best digitally release

ayumisrael 27th October 2009 12:33 PM

Well, it stopped charting.
Probably sold around 100 and wasn't enough to chart. =P

TITANIC 27th October 2009 02:45 PM

42 *,109,918 ***,*** Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ / 浜崎あゆみ 09/08/12
bye bye S/S

njanjayrp 27th October 2009 02:56 PM

Oh well it prolly sold around 100 copies as Tal said, so the sales are around 110 k which is good :)

KarenPang 27th October 2009 03:02 PM

I think Sunrise/Sunset did better than what everyone has assumed so initally

it still managed to clear 100K after all

hopefully You were ... / BALLAD will do better , much much better :S

ayumisrael 27th October 2009 03:38 PM

And let's not forget that it's ayu's best digital seller since Together When... back on 2007.
XD

brener 27th October 2009 03:50 PM

Overall it was a strong single :)

nanakopy87 27th October 2009 03:52 PM

i never thought that s/s sales is this good @@
next target :you were.../BALLAD is better than this >.<

KarenPang 27th October 2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2137678)
And let's not forget that it's ayu's best digital seller since Together When... back on 2007.
XD

:laugh

yeah that's true

which song sold better digitally though or is it counted overall as a single on whole ? :shrug

I'm not very sure on this

ayumisrael 27th October 2009 04:36 PM

Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ the full song and the ringtone.

Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ isn't certificated...

rakeru 27th October 2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 2137646)
I think Sunrise/Sunset did better than what everyone has assumed so initally

it still managed to clear 100K after all

hopefully You were ... / BALLAD will do better , much much better :S

very true, and i have high hopes for Yw/B now. i mean, the single obviously sounds ballad-y and the Japanese tend to have a favoritism towards winter ballads. plus, it'll be holiday season!

KarenPang 27th October 2009 04:53 PM

^ yeah & somemore You were ... / BALLAD will be released in 3 editions instead of the standard 2

avex better do a much better job in promoting her new single I say :irked

Sunrise/Sunset , too little promo was done I feel ;____;

freedreamer 27th October 2009 05:07 PM

^yea...felt like too little promo. But im very happy it did well digitally!!

Andrenekoi 27th October 2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 2137742)
^ yeah & somemore You were ... / BALLAD will be released in 3 editions instead of the standard 2

avex better do a much better job in promoting her new single I say :irked

Sunrise/Sunset , too little promo was done I feel ;____;

It had a tie-in and she sang it on every big music tv show... what else could she do? o_O

Maemi 27th October 2009 07:23 PM

So almost 110k :) That's good.

shizukanaotoko 27th October 2009 08:40 PM

did she chart this week? if so, did she break 110k?!

Mai82Go 27th October 2009 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2137785)
It had a tie-in and she sang it on every big music tv show... what else could she do? o_O

That's true. Everyones saying that she didn't really promot it. This might be true for Rule/Sparkle and NEXT LEVEL - which was poorly promoted. But Sunset/Sunrise wasn't. So you cannot really say that.

Yumsushi 27th October 2009 09:42 PM

It stopped charting already?! Does Oricon count singles and albums that chart below the 300 radar? If so then the year end numbers may show +110K

njanjayrp 27th October 2009 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2137785)
It had a tie-in and she sang it on every big music tv show... what else could she do? o_O

She isn't the only one who should promote her singles, she did all she could, however I am pretty sure AVEX didn't.

Andrenekoi 28th October 2009 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2138036)
She isn't the only one who should promote her singles, she did all she could, however I am pretty sure AVEX didn't.

And what would avex do more than having some billboards?
It's not like putting ayu's face everywhere is going make her sales to rise like magic...

njanjayrp 28th October 2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2138114)
And what would avex do more than having some billboards?
It's not like putting ayu's face everywhere is going make her sales to rise like magic...

I dunno, I know almost nothing about managing a record label :innocent there is always something that can be done. They could've organized hand shaking events or a small outdoor concert on a beach, they could've made more versions of the single with DIFFERENT (and appealing) covers, throw in some more remixes or add other bonuses, make a Barby doll that looks like Ayu on the covers (she already looks plastic enough in that photo), I dunno there are other more creative ways to promote a release other than billboards and music/o.jp CMs - in other words make the release more worthy of the money that you want people to spend. I mean I ordered the CD only version and I didn't even bother opening it, as I already downloaded the songs and there was nothing interesting inside xD

TITANIC 28th October 2009 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2138010)
It stopped charting already?! Does Oricon count singles and albums that chart below the 300 radar? If so then the year end numbers may show +110K

single up to top 200 and album top 300

I think you were.../BALLAD will sell better than S/S of course since it will be released near xmas and holiday which always have better to sell like D/G and most of all Ayu's albums

Andrenekoi 28th October 2009 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2138117)
I dunno, I know almost nothing about managing a record label :innocent there is always something that can be done. They could've organized hand shaking events or a small outdoor concert on a beach, they could've made more versions of the single with DIFFERENT (and appealing) covers, throw in some more remixes or add other bonuses, make a Barby doll that looks like Ayu on the covers (she already looks plastic enough in that photo), I dunno there are other more creative ways to promote a release other than billboards and music/o.jp CMs - in other words make the release more worthy of the money that you want people to spend. I mean I ordered the CD only version and I didn't even bother opening it, as I already downloaded the songs and there was nothing interesting inside xD

1. shaking hands event = a Big "no, no, no" after the Shibuiya incident xD

2. Small concert on a beach = Ayu was touring, either At09 or a-nation

3. More versions/remixes/etc = it's up to Ayu (and IMO it's nice to see how well she sells without 500 versions and promotional discs made of gold :B)

aura~ 28th October 2009 02:28 AM

sad it hasn't reach 110K but it has done well for what it is ^^

And also... yearly sales are at only 20K from reaching 1million!! And I Think You were.../ballad will count towards 2010...

KarenPang 28th October 2009 07:11 AM

does anyone know when's the cut off point for the next Oricon year to roll out ?

I know it's somewhere in Dec but I'm not exactly sure if Oricon count You were ... / BALLAD in their 2009 or 2010 year :shrug

nemesisyume 28th October 2009 07:42 AM

coool the sales are so nice!


Crystal_Ageha 28th October 2009 07:48 AM

^ ^ I was thinking it might count for a little of both, hah? Do they do that? It makes sense to me... Either way, I can almost guarantee that most of the sales will be for 2010. :\

njanjayrp 28th October 2009 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 2138459)
does anyone know when's the cut off point for the next Oricon year to roll out ?

I know it's somewhere in Dec but I'm not exactly sure if Oricon count You were ... / BALLAD in their 2009 or 2010 year :shrug

Days/GREEN was released on December 17th (the 3rd week of December), and You were.../BALLAD is getting the "same" release date and it will be counted towards 2010.

TITANIC 28th October 2009 09:09 AM

you were/BALLAD will be counted in oricon 2010
oricon 2009 counted from 2008/12/8 (Monday) ~ 2009/12/13 (Sunday)
so releases on 2009/12/09 are the last

KarenPang 28th October 2009 09:10 AM

thanks guys :D , so in a way or 2 , You were ... / BALLAD will be slotted in Oricon's 2010 just like Days / GREEN

Keiichi_JPU 29th October 2009 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2138114)
And what would avex do more than having some billboards?
It's not like putting ayu's face everywhere is going make her sales to rise like magic...

I think it would.

If her face is everywhere, people will start to think this single must really be quite something. People will start to think EVERYONE knows about it and EVERYONE is buying it (otherwise her face wouldn't be all over the place, right?)

Sure, it wouldn't affect her fan-sales, but it would raise regular shopper's sales, also gift-giving or something. It would also raise her reputation and epicness.

However.. in the case if Sunrise/Sunset it wouldn't have worked since the covers are ugly. But imagine a stunningly GORGEOUS cover for You were.../BALLAD (imagine A COMPLETE 3CD+DVD , cover meets snow, darkness and Ayu smiling beautifuly).. Then imagine that cover being all over the place, all over billboards in Tokyo, all over the TV.

I'm very sure that would boost her sales, as well as her reputation.

waterballoon 29th October 2009 04:24 AM

^ The problem is You were...'s cover might be 75% like Sunrise, and I would feel so embarrassed for her if the cover was like everywhere in Shibuya lol

Andrenekoi 29th October 2009 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keiichi_JPU (Post 2139225)
I think it would.

If her face is everywhere, people will start to think this single must really be quite something. People will start to think EVERYONE knows about it and EVERYONE is buying it (otherwise her face wouldn't be all over the place, right?)

Sure, it wouldn't affect her fan-sales, but it would raise regular shopper's sales, also gift-giving or something. It would also raise her reputation and epicness.

However.. in the case if Sunrise/Sunset it wouldn't have worked since the covers are ugly. But imagine a stunningly GORGEOUS cover for You were.../BALLAD (imagine A COMPLETE 3CD+DVD , cover meets snow, darkness and Ayu smiling beautifuly).. Then imagine that cover being all over the place, all over billboards in Tokyo, all over the TV.

I'm very sure that would boost her sales, as well as her reputation.

People are not going to buy it because of billboards... It makes people know she released something new, but liking the song or disliking it affect the sales a lot more than having Ayu's face everywhere

brener 29th October 2009 05:40 AM

^

but nothing like a good promotion to rise up the sales a little bit :D

Andrenekoi 29th October 2009 06:32 AM

Well, that's what I'm saying... it had good promotion... it had billboards... there were posters and tvs showing the pvs at stores... there were lives... there were a tie-in... there were cms...

Over-ayuming Japan would not make it sell better...

ayumisrael 29th October 2009 09:52 AM

Actually I'm sure that if it had more than the billboards it had it could do a bit better at least physically and maybe reach the million digitally.
It seems that the songs for the single were not the problem if Sunrise could do digitally what it did and it probably was one of ayu's least promoted releases billboardwise.
Not even a shibuya 109 poster.
I agree though that those covers might have turned a lot off. :P

Keiichi_JPU 29th October 2009 01:06 PM

^ thank GOD There wasn't a Shibuya 109 poster for Sunrise/Sunset :P hahaha

but she doesn't usually do that for singles right? I don't think even NEXT LEVEL got one?

All I've seen are these (there were probably more but these I've seen on pictures): A BEST, A COMPLETE ~ALL SINGLES~, A BEST 2, Mirrorcle World.
And then a Christmas poster and I think I am... as well.

I hope You were.../BALLAD will get one if the covers are really pretty! Japan digs winter releases anyway.

TITANIC 3rd November 2009 02:14 PM

Hurrayyy.. S/S reach 110K

43 *,110,169 ***,251 Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ / 浜崎あゆみ 09/08/12

SURREAL__RAINBOW 3rd November 2009 02:20 PM

^thanks pretty cool I guess xD

thanks for the update :)

ayumisrael 3rd November 2009 05:05 PM

Thank you for the update riozz!!

It's great to know that it sold over 110,000 with just 2 versions and no first press!

The single overall with the legal downloads did pretty well. It can't be called any sort of a flop. =D

SURREAL__RAINBOW 3rd November 2009 05:07 PM

i can't wait to see how the new single goes!! :D

KarenPang 3rd November 2009 05:13 PM

it's a good sign that Sunrise/Sunset has return back to the chart , er I mean in selling a few more copies since it stopped charting last week

Crystal_Ageha 3rd November 2009 10:32 PM

Yayyy, 110 official. ^_^

waterballoon 4th November 2009 03:18 AM

Glad it broke 110k

brener 4th November 2009 05:06 AM

wow!! 110k! I'm so happy!!!!!

Ayumiko 4th November 2009 05:32 AM

It went back on the charts and broke 110k? That's great!

SURREAL__RAINBOW 4th November 2009 12:10 PM

what are ayu's sales so far for this year then??

:)

koumori 4th November 2009 12:14 PM

110k~?! Oh that's so good ^o^ That's what everyone was hoping for hai ~

TITANIC 4th November 2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2145907)
what are ayu's sales so far for this year then??

:)

around 986K

sanzo2011 4th November 2009 02:00 PM

Thanks for your good news riozz!

Ayu_Ready 4th November 2009 07:54 PM

how many it did with physical and download sales?

marekcarey 6th November 2009 04:42 PM

the number is for the physical sales only, digital are stil not counted to Oricon so it doesnt mind...

ayumisrael 6th November 2009 04:46 PM

Well we can do it by ourselves but with the numbers we were given with and not the exacts :P

750,000+ + 110,169 = 860,169+.

marekcarey 6th November 2009 05:07 PM

I meant, like they are not important ^^

njanjayrp 6th November 2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2148167)
Well we can do it by ourselves but with the numbers we were given with and not the exacts :P

750,000+ + 110,169 = 860,169+.

I wouldn't count 500, 000 + ringtones, just the full tracks so that's around 400 000 I guess.

ayumisrael 6th November 2009 05:26 PM

^It was an example though for if oricon would count like billboard in USA unless if billboard doesn't count ringtones as well and I was wrong. =P

Ayu_Ready 6th November 2009 07:48 PM

it's not exact but really amazing !

njanjayrp 6th November 2009 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 2148191)
^It was an example though for if oricon would count like billboard in USA unless if billboard doesn't count ringtones as well and I was wrong. =P

oh xD Sorry. Well they prolly have a way of counting them towards the total digital sales. Even though I am against counting the ringtones I'd love if Oricon would start counting the chaku-uta fulls.

TITANIC 10th November 2009 02:55 PM

Ok.. S/S the end

44 *,110,169 ***,*** Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ / 浜崎あゆみ 09/08/12

here's NL at top #14 yearly now

*1 1,358,643 *17,881 All the BEST! 1999-2009 / 嵐 09/08/19
*2 1,244,755 ***,788 SUPERMARKET FANTASY / Mr.Children 08/12/10
*3 *,995,316 **1,637 塩、コショウ / GReeeeN 09/06/10
*4 *,835,868 **1,211 EXILE BALLAD BEST / EXILE 08/12/03 累計1,779,769
*5 *,723,993 *21,306 ayaka's History 2006-2009 / 絢香 09/09/23
*6 *,666,131 **1,114 DO YOU DREAMS COME TRUE? / DREAMS COME TRUE 09/03/21
*7 *,485,904 ***,*** レミオベスト / レミオロメン 09/03/09
*8 *,462,936 **3,969 Box Emotions / Superfly 09/09/02
*9 *,461,591 **1,378 CALLING / コブクロ 09/08/05
10 *,436,738 **1,153 残響 / 福山雅治 09/06/30
11 *,430,036 ***,931 My song Your song / いきものがかり 08/12/24
12 *,391,094 ***,*** TRICK / 倖田來未 09/01/28
13 *,387,349 *11,294 KING OF POP -JAPAN EDITION / Michael Jackson 08/09/24 累計425,694
14 *,377,872 ***,*** NEXT LEVEL / 浜崎あゆみ 09/03/25
15 *,351,553 **1,333 Ring / 加藤ミリヤ 09/07/08

Crystal_Ageha 10th November 2009 05:24 PM

Eh, not bad. She'll definitely be in top fifteen, even if somehow Miliyah Kato manages to pass her up.

Ayu_Ready 10th November 2009 06:25 PM

not bad at all =)


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