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SunshineSlayer 7th October 2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513070)
I think Ayu is doing that now... no one really sees her anymore, just in ViVi, and now Softbank... but it's not like a saturation of Ayu as it once was. Maybe we will be seeing a boom in Ayu popularity soon. I think it will happen.

Actually I think Ayu is seen more now than she was a couple of years ago. Not as much as her peak period of course. Right now she is actually on the 109 building (I saw it yesterday); its the cover of Jelly magazine. She also has been more visible when passing magazine racks again and in billboards that are put up around the train stations; I think I've seen her more in Tokyo over the past 2 months than I have in the past two years. Unfortunately though it didn't seem to translate that much into higher sales for the new singles.

Mai82Go 7th October 2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2512839)
I dont know what you mean by being a Christmas cake and I get what you're saying about being new and fresh in the market but I think you meant to say that Ayu is older, not old. But just her age alone isn't the only hinderance since Namie Amuro is even older than Ayu but has somehow managed to reinvent herself and make herself more appealing to the general public.
At the end of the day that is what making it is all about no? Appeal!

Yep, I meant older not old. Sorry.

@bluegie
Don't worry, I see you're male so you're not. Women over 25 that aren't married/taken are leftover christmas cakes.

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It was an expression that to call women over the age of 25 "Christmas cake," meaning that they are out of season, as the cake is after December 25th. Now the age is raised to 31, linked to toshikoshi-soba, a noodle dish eaten on December 31st.
from here


Never heard that about the 31st, but now Ayu even passed that age. :rolleyes

Ranma Matsuri 7th October 2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hsienko (Post 2513217)
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Why does she have to be another anything? Why can't she just be "Hamasaki Ayumi?"

Ikr? :o Ayu is ayu. She's established enough for other girls to be labeled "the next Hamasaki Ayumi". :P

The Christmas cake expression is quite interesting lol. I wouldn't mind if Ayu were my Christmas cake at all, there certainly wouldn't be any leftovers though. :lech

Lanz16 7th October 2010 12:14 PM

I don't know about the Ayu and cake thingy but it makes me wanna eat cake :)
Any updates perhaps? :D

ayumisrael 7th October 2010 01:07 PM

3rd Day
Position: #8
Sales: Later
Total Sales: Later

maikaru 7th October 2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 2513185)
I guess you're rite. She's like namie in 2000 - 2003. But I think ayu is "luckier". At least people still treat her as the queen of JPop, and she still has the "power" to get a safe/weaker week to release her singles. I do hope she will have a boom in the future.

I have a question... Is hikki still able to been seen by people? Well I became fans of them around the same time. For recent years, I always have a feeling that general public has more interest on hikki. Can you tell me if that's true or not? If so... I wonder why...

You know what, Utada Hikaru has the right strategy I think. She releases every so often, and tours once in a millenium or so... but she doesn't over saturate herself. Avex of course wanted to cash in on Ayu being regarded as the best thing since Yoshinoya in Japan, so in her early years (Especially 2001), they had her EVERYWHERE, I mean you couldn't go anywhere without seeing her face... even in countryside, they had posters of Ayu in some shops.

Because Utada's marketing made it so that they only focused on her music, her face wasn't that important. On the contrary, in the beginning, many people would make fun of her eyebrows or her nose, and of course most people regarded Ayu as MUCH more beautiful than Utada. But Utada's schedule was perfect in that there wasn't a chance for her listeners to get tired of her, and they didn't see her face everywhere...

But Utada's popularity with singles has also taken a major dive. In just one year, her single sales dropped more than 500,000 units. (Flavor of Life vs. Heart Station/Prisoner of Love). But her albums continue to sell more than Ayumi Hamasaki, due to a kind of hit and run tactic with Utada Hikaru... She releases something, and then kind of goes back into hiding.

Anyways, Utada is Utada, and Ayu is Ayu, and what works for Utada will not work for Ayu, and vice versa... but I think we are forgetting that in an era where only Johnny's can get over 200,000 single sales, 90,000 or 100,000 is not at all a bad number to be staring down. Ayu's solid, and yeah her sales are fluctuating a bit, but she is still one of the strongest artists out there, and consistent. The era of female idols is over, and I think the era for male idols will soon come to an end, with the exception of Arashi. People don't just like one artist anymore, or they don't even like the artist, just the song. "I like this song, but this song is bad, so I won't buy it," kind of thing. The era where one female idol's face is seen everyone is probably also over... for a while.

TITANIC 7th October 2010 02:02 PM

IMO female idol era is about to restart again, look how awesome AKB48 is. haha

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513440)
You know what, Utada Hikaru has the right strategy I think. She releases every so often, and tours once in a millenium or so... but she doesn't over saturate herself. Avex of course wanted to cash in on Ayu being regarded as the best thing since Yoshinoya in Japan, so in her early years (Especially 2001), they had her EVERYWHERE, I mean you couldn't go anywhere without seeing her face... even in countryside, they had posters of Ayu in some shops.

Because Utada's marketing made it so that they only focused on her music, her face wasn't that important. On the contrary, in the beginning, many people would make fun of her eyebrows or her nose, and of course most people regarded Ayu as MUCH more beautiful than Utada. But Utada's schedule was perfect in that there wasn't a chance for her listeners to get tired of her, and they didn't see her face everywhere...

But Utada's popularity with singles has also taken a major dive. In just one year, her single sales dropped more than 500,000 units. (Flavor of Life vs. Heart Station/Prisoner of Love). But her albums continue to sell more than Ayumi Hamasaki, due to a kind of hit and run tactic with Utada Hikaru... She releases something, and then kind of goes back into hiding.

Anyways, Utada is Utada, and Ayu is Ayu, and what works for Utada will not work for Ayu, and vice versa... but I think we are forgetting that in an era where only Johnny's can get over 200,000 single sales, 90,000 or 100,000 is not at all a bad number to be staring down. Ayu's solid, and yeah her sales are fluctuating a bit, but she is still one of the strongest artists out there, and consistent. The era of female idols is over, and I think the era for male idols will soon come to an end, with the exception of Arashi. People don't just like one artist anymore, or they don't even like the artist, just the song. "I like this song, but this song is bad, so I won't buy it," kind of thing. The era where one female idol's face is seen everyone is probably also over... for a while.

Yeap, ayu sales are doing great considering everything.... Magazines and companies still are interested on her, her singles are far from selling bad, so are her albums and her tours are getting bigger instead of getting smaller...

Even if the image thing affect her on a bad way, that TV special about her lives, the lower tickets sales on A-nation'08 cuz she didn't performed on most dates, that TV show where she talked with Gaga and her tours becoming bigger over the years are IMO signals that even if she is not the hottest thing in the world anymore, she still is seen as a strong pop performer to Japanese people... And I always say this: When I watch Koda or Namie concerts, there are mostly teenager girls and young female adults on the audience... While Ayu's audience is getting more and more diverse... There always is younger and older people of both genders (well, on DVDs and photos people post over here)...

Imo Utada created for herself a musician image, while Ayu created for herself a performer image... And both women are making tons of money on their own way :P

ayumisrael 7th October 2010 02:44 PM

2nd Day
Position: #6
Sales: 1,843
Total Sales: 74,640

3rd Day
Position: #8
Sales: 1,569
Total Sales: 76,209

waterballoon 7th October 2010 02:46 PM

it's just falling & falling... :(

TITANIC 7th October 2010 02:47 PM

wish to have greater sales than M/B

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2513508)
it's just falling & falling... :(

Well, it's not like it had any chance to rise xD

Mirrorcle Monster 7th October 2010 02:58 PM

Hope it ends selling at least 90k...

brener 7th October 2010 03:09 PM

^

yep =( but looking at the numbers I don't think so...

waterballoon 7th October 2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2513518)
Well, it's not like it had any chance to rise xD

lol ahhh, depressing! :(

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 2513531)
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yep =( but looking at the numbers I don't think so...

You are always acting like the singles will chart for 3 weeks xD
Relax, it will most likelly sell over 90k... her single chart live tends to be between 8-12 weeks....

brener 7th October 2010 03:32 PM

I'm just not used to this nowadays ayu's sales...

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 03:39 PM

Well... she is selling something between 90k and 110k right now... what is good actually, considering overall sales^^

Nackar_91 7th October 2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2513508)
it's just falling & falling... :(

Well, duh. Ever heared of a song that just kept rising and rising? XD

bluegie 7th October 2010 05:03 PM

I'm kinda surprised that today's ranking is lower than yesterday. Still the sales are not bad :D.

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Originally Posted by hsienko (Post 2513217)
^
Why does she have to be another anything? Why can't she just be "Hamasaki Ayumi?"

We're not talking about ayu will become "the next blah blah". More likely it's about how ayu will do to herself in the future. We compare Matsutoya Yumi and Seiko Matsuda (two important figures in Japanese music history). The former seems more highly respected from other people. No offense to those who love Seiko, but I feel odd to see her dressing like a teenage girl on cd covers. I hope ayu will concentrate her music, making new directions, etc., instead of trying to capture her youth while she's in her 40s...

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Originally Posted by Mai82Go (Post 2513288)
@bluegie
Don't worry, I see you're male so you're not. Women over 25 that aren't married/taken are leftover christmas cakes.

What? The age border for women has changed to 25 nowadays? Oh well even I'm male, I guess I belong to the x'mas cake group then :no. Why can't I just be a beautiful x'mas cake? Single isn't a bad idea. Look at ayu! She looks fine being a single lady :yes.

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513440)
But Utada's popularity with singles has also taken a major dive. In just one year, her single sales dropped more than 500,000 units. (Flavor of Life vs. Heart Station/Prisoner of Love). But her albums continue to sell more than Ayumi Hamasaki, due to a kind of hit and run tactic with Utada Hikaru...

I think FOL is kinda exception. Since Dareka her single sales were never good (BML 80K on the 1st week, Passion <50K, Keep Tryin' <70K, etc.). I gotta admit though her digital sales are far better than her physical sales (many of them are million sellers in digital). But I guess you're right. Her hit and run tactic works really well on her. Not everyone can do the same thing (e.g., Mai-K).

joshohhhhh 7th October 2010 05:05 PM

ayu is ayu. age is pointless. her music is amazing and she's a good person.

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 05:20 PM

@bluegie @Mai82Go
Die old people! Die! :P
Nah... I'm 22 and I find it strange to image someone my age married... Also do if the person is 25... Eveyone at their own pace^^

We have a saying here in Brazil: "Panela velha é que faz comida boa", that would be translated +- like "old pans make the best food" xD

ayumisrael 7th October 2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2513635)
@bluegie @Mai82Go
Die old people! Die! :P
Nah... I'm 22 and I find it strange to image someone my age married... Also do if the person is 25... Eveyone at their own pace^^

We have a saying here in Brazil: "Panela velha é que faz comida boa", that would be translated +- like "old pans make the best food" xD

I almost thought it's "old pans make the best BoA!" j/k xD
But yeah Japanese culture is special and as long as you are a female you are "better" younger.

maikaru 7th October 2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TITANIC (Post 2513463)
IMO female idol era is about to restart again, look how awesome AKB48 is. haha

The reason AKB48 is doing so well on Oricon, is because the fans buy so many copies of the CDs, because the number of CDs you have means the amount of handshakes or autographs you can get at AKB48's meet-and-greet events they have so many times. The marketing strategy of AKB is really good, so they sell really well on Oricon, but they are not popular with everyone. Mostly just Akibakei and some young girls. But of course, they are making more money than Ayu in cd sales, so we cannot say much against them. Now, we can really notice a renewed Korean Wave in Japan, so I think Korean groups are getting popular once again.

Andrenekoi 7th October 2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 2513616)
We're not talking about ayu will become "the next blah blah". More likely it's about how ayu will do to herself in the future. We compare Matsutoya Yumi and Seiko Matsuda (two important figures in Japanese music history). The former seems more highly respected from other people. No offense to those who love Seiko, but I feel odd to see her dressing like a teenage girl on cd covers. I hope ayu will concentrate her music, making new directions, etc., instead of trying to capture her youth while she's in her 40s...

This... and still, Matsutoya never acted like a bachan cuz she got old... She still holds energetic lives, releases creative and modern music... She accepts she aged, but never stopped to evolve as an artist... I personally don't mind a older woman having a sexy image or showing energy... But I do have problems with a 40 years old woman acting like she a member of Morning Musume x_x And even worst (IMO), the older she gets, the higher she sings and the fluffier she dresses >_<

freedreamer 7th October 2010 05:33 PM

ITS FALLING IN RANK BUT SALES SEEM REALLY CONSISTENT. :)

waterballoon 7th October 2010 05:34 PM

AKB48 needs the high sales.. I mean there're like 48 of them lol

ストロボ・EdGE 7th October 2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513645)
The reason AKB48 is doing so well on Oricon, is because the fans buy so many copies of the CDs, because the number of CDs you have means the amount of handshakes or autographs you can get at AKB48's meet-and-greet events they have so many times.

$20 handshakes, lol... Kind of gross.

Bad Wolf 7th October 2010 10:10 PM

haha, the secret of AKB48's sales is out~ God that's a soulless marketing strategy. I don't know why I'm so surprised that the label'd pull a stunt like that, though. Faith in people has once again been ruined.

Bigtop 7th October 2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513645)
The reason AKB48 is doing so well on Oricon, is because the fans buy so many copies of the CDs, because the number of CDs you have means the amount of handshakes or autographs you can get at AKB48's meet-and-greet events they have so many times. The marketing strategy of AKB is really good, so they sell really well on Oricon, but they are not popular with everyone. Mostly just Akibakei and some young girls. But of course, they are making more money than Ayu in cd sales, so we cannot say much against them. Now, we can really notice a renewed Korean Wave in Japan, so I think Korean groups are getting popular once again.

WHAT THE!? :thud

Okay, so it seems not only Arashi is playing some unfair competition, but also AKB48 as well... I did not even know about that... $20 for a handshake!? That's just NOT a good value for me...

SunshineSlayer 8th October 2010 12:00 AM

^Female idol groups have been doing handshake events in Japan since forever, so its not really something new. As far as I know, Johnny's groups don't do them though.

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2513645)
The reason AKB48 is doing so well on Oricon, is because the fans buy so many copies of the CDs, because the number of CDs you have means the amount of handshakes or autographs you can get at AKB48's meet-and-greet events they have so many times. The marketing strategy of AKB is really good, so they sell really well on Oricon, but they are not popular with everyone. Mostly just Akibakei and some young girls. But of course, they are making more money than Ayu in cd sales, so we cannot say much against them. Now, we can really notice a renewed Korean Wave in Japan, so I think Korean groups are getting popular once again.

As much as I don't like them, they ARE popular outside of Akibakei and 'some young girls'. They are everywhere in Japan. Elementary and junior high school kids of both genders in general love them right now. I know because in my job I have to put up with the AKB fever on a day to day basis. :) I do think that now female idols do have a chance to make a comeback more so than over the past couple of years, I just wish it wasn't AKB leading the way.

bluegie 8th October 2010 12:07 AM

^I have a feeling that it may take a few more years to see this coming...

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2513657)
I personally don't mind a older woman having a sexy image or showing energy... But I do have problems with a 40 years old woman acting like she a member of Morning Musume x_x And even worst (IMO), the older she gets, the higher she sings and the fluffier she dresses >_<

Ooohooooh... you're brave :thumbsup. I did compare her with the momosu, but just before I posted, I deleted that line LOL. She is trying SO HARD to hold on the golden youth as long as possible... :P.

SunshineSlayer 8th October 2010 12:13 AM

^ Whats interesting is how so many people in Japan actually like that. I know several 40 something women here who act and dress like they are still in their 20s. By western standards that's weird, but in Japan it seems fairly normal and accepted.

kagami 8th October 2010 12:24 AM

I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.

Larisa-chan 8th October 2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514033)
I personally don't see anything too wrong with it.
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.

Which is ALSO a problem in Japan as several idols (noticeably in Hello!Project) who have hit 20+ start to wear old lady clothes because they are now "adult." (i.e. Aya Matsuura. Poor girl, what happened to her? ;~; )

SunshineSlayer 8th October 2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514033)
I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.

I'm not just talking about the clothes they wear, but their entire demeanor in general. They put on a very cutesy demeanor and voice (ala Seiko Matsuda), even though it doesn't really suit their age. And yes, sometimes a micro mini accompanies it. :)

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514033)
I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.

Well, I'm a Madonna fan... I have no problem with older women wearing mini skirts, or even less...

But I do find it weird to see someone older than 12 wearing this:


Maybe this is just me being biased towards western culture... And I don't wanna offend any of Seiko fans... But I do find it strange... not only the outfit... but the way she is singing, her body language, etc. I know Ayu, Koda, Otsuka and (rarely) Namie does those kind of stuff... But usually u have a cute look and a sexy choreography, or a song filled with innuendos (mainly Otsuka), etc... For 2, 3 songs of a concert, not all the concerts for 30 years @_@

apple-pi 8th October 2010 03:35 AM

I'm kinda shocked at the lack of AKB48 fans in AHS =O I feel the need to report here as a fan so this thread will have at least a bit of AKB-love xD

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2513997)
I do think that now female idols do have a chance to make a comeback more so than over the past couple of years, I just wish it wasn't AKB leading the way.

I'm kinda curious xD like, AKB48 just seems like... what japanese female idols are usually like? Like Morning Musume and etc... I never managed to like Momusu at all though :| in fact I've never liked japanese girl groups at all cause they seemed kind of "awkward" with the excessive cutesy/innocent image, so I'd been following just korean ones until now, AKB was the only one that "conquered" me, lol.

Anyway, what kind of idol did you want to lead the way here? More "mature" groups like SPEED? I'm curious now, ha.

---

Aaaand to keep this post at least slightly in topic, I did wish L would outsell crossroad... because this feels to me like her most epic single in a long time, it totally blew me away... and I never went crazy about crossroad like everyone elese did. It's a good song, definitely sounds better than the preview did, but that's it for me. lol. Plus it's the 50th single....
But this is decent at least. at least the record's broken ^__^ congratz, ayu~

bluegie 8th October 2010 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by apple-pi (Post 2514168)
I'm kinda curious xD like, AKB48 just seems like... what japanese female idols are usually like?

Anyway, what kind of idol did you want to lead the way here? More "mature" groups like SPEED? I'm curious now, ha.

No I want female artists that are more talent than AKB48 or momosu. Just like back in 2000 - 2003: ayu, hikki, ringo, misia, aiko, etc.

kagami 8th October 2010 04:26 AM

I think nowadays people are more interested in listening to slick and catchy music, with some cool dance moves, more than anything else. Not just in Japan, but everywhere. That's what I've been noticing the past couple of years.

waterballoon 8th October 2010 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514207)
I think nowadays people are more interested in listening to slick and catchy music, with some cool dance moves, more than anything else. Not just in Japan, but everywhere. That's what I've been noticing the past couple of years.

that's the sad thing... ah well. But you're right; everywhere in the world, music is coming to the point where it would only sell if the song is catchy, hot, cool and all that jazz... albeit I'm a victim of such music too but yeah~

g~sus~ 8th October 2010 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 2513545)
I'm just not used to this nowadays ayu's sales...

Neither do i...=X it's kinda sad

TeddyGrahams 8th October 2010 04:56 AM

Avex is basically doing a mini-maxi with ayu since Next Level. It's basically the least amount of work for the greatest amount of profits. Of course, ayu says its because she doesn't have time... but really Avex is the one pushing her to do concerts around Japan.

If you want ayu to have the sales of Arashi and other boy bands, Avex have to invest way more money to get better tie ins (it's avex job to help promote it, and no DBZ evolution and tinkerbell crap) and Ayu will be releasing songs like days 2.0, sunrise 2.0 etc etc. Do you guys really want more days and sunrises (digital hits)?

Otherwise, I'm happy with the sales. If anything, it should be praised for consistency.

love in music 8th October 2010 05:01 AM

^^ no need to feel sad, ayu is still making a shiiitload of yen every year.

Max_ZZZ 8th October 2010 05:18 AM

honestly as much as I think ayu has left a bigger mark,
I think utada has been consistently more popular.
marketing blah blah w/e but the numbers stand, people want them some hikaru

but i do hope ayu's next best album blows it out of the water!

Kingdom 8th October 2010 05:26 AM

after hearing Utada's new song, I'm pretty sure Japan would much prefer Ayu over that :laugh

adantatu2 8th October 2010 05:40 AM

I'm wondering if ayu could do something catchy and hot in the future. Something like Namie Amuro??
Last Angel is a different song, but is too pop yet and there is not a lot of promo from avex.

waterballoon 8th October 2010 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TeddyGrahams (Post 2514221)
Avex is basically doing a mini-maxi with ayu since Next Level. It's basically the least amount of work for the greatest amount of profits. Of course, ayu says its because she doesn't have time... but really Avex is the one pushing her to do concerts around Japan.

If you want ayu to have the sales of Arashi and other boy bands, Avex have to invest way more money to get better tie ins (it's avex job to help promote it, and no DBZ evolution and tinkerbell crap) and Ayu will be releasing songs like days 2.0, sunrise 2.0 etc etc. Do you guys really want more days and sunrises (digital hits)?

Otherwise, I'm happy with the sales. If anything, it should be praised for consistency.

Well, no need for avex to try to get tie-ins, we're already standard Japanese songs from Ayu... the 47th-50th singles have nothing "special" or different except Last angel; the lead songs are all typical J-Pop ballads, so we're still getting the standard songs from Ayu.

I mean at the end of the day, we've to realize where Ayu stands in this industry today. No point whining that her sales suck compared to her past when it obviously isn't her prime or era now.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 05:42 AM

@ero-kakkoii Well, every Hikaru album oversold Ayu's released on the same year... Even Ayu's best selling album was oversold by Utada... So, I'm pretty sure u don't really now how much power the woman has xD

@TeddyGrahams You are just saying that cuz people over her praise Ayu for everything they like and blame Avex for everything they dislike... Bad news for you: She makes more money touring than selling albums and singles... and even worst: more money from concerts goes to her pocket than money from albums/singles...

@waterballoonThis would be a valid argument if 90% of her biggest hits weren't among her most generic tracks... Actually, besides M and Evolution, all of her big hits are pretty much generic jpop...


People over here should stop talking like she was an Avex doll o.O She is always releasing the kind of music japanese people don't like (her rock tracks), she is always recording pvs japanese people don't like (all the pvs people over here love) and she seens to be very damn happy with her tours! She is not a ****ing doll, she is not Avex puppet, and she is pretty much doing whatever she wants! People over here is complaing she is not selling like Arashi, well, thanks God she is not trying, or we would have a new version of her post 2001 albums every year ~~'



Let her do her thing... her singles are selling good, she is in fact overselling people who peaked after her! Her tours have more dates every year unlike other former top acts that needed to take dates out and tour on small venues like BoA... So, why so much complain! She is not searching for food on trashcans or something, she is pretty much among the top earning female stars every year since her peak! When she is not THE top earning of the year x_____________________________x

SURREAL__RAINBOW 8th October 2010 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2514240)
after hearing Utada's new song, I'm pretty sure Japan would much prefer Ayu over that :laugh

utada is already all over tokyo with her pepsi commercials and stuff... is a bit annoying lol she looks gorgeous though

i even saw a big video of her with pepsi in shibuya


so somehow i feel people are getting spoon-fed with her image.

kagami 8th October 2010 05:58 AM

Utada has always had really smart promotion. She always seems to get the massive tie-ins for her songs etc.

I don't think Ayu has really cared about that kind of thing in YEARS. It doesn't seem to bother her that all of Japan doesn't worship her lol
And hey, if I were in her position I'd rather have fans that genuinely liked and respected the music I make (and myself as a person), than have a lot of off-and-on fans.
Ayu seems way happier recently than she ever was when she was at her peak.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514267)
Utada has always had really smart promotion. She always seems to get the massive tie-ins for her songs etc.

I don't think Ayu has really cared about that kind of thing in YEARS. It doesn't seem to bother her that all of Japan doesn't worship her lol
And hey, if I were in her position I'd rather have fans that genuinely liked and respected the music I make (and myself as a person), than have a lot of off-and-on fans.
Ayu seems way happier recently than she ever was when she was at her peak.

Thank you!
xD

Kingdom 8th October 2010 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514253)
@ero-kakkoii Well, every Hikaru album oversold Ayu's released on the same year... Even Ayu's best selling album was oversold by Utada... So, I'm pretty sure u don't really now how much power the woman has xD

power she has? or the power that great marketing and sales tactics is made of?

not saying ayumi isn't heavily marketed or whatever, but utada's new song isn't groundbreaking or anything compared to ayu's new music IMO, and to hear it's being "spoonfed" to people... hmmm.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2514270)
power she has? or the power that great marketing and sales tactics is made of?

not saying ayumi isn't heavily marketed or whatever, but utada's new song isn't groundbreaking or anything compared to ayu's new music IMO, and to hear it's being "spoonfed" to people... hmmm.

She could be releasing a track made totally from farts... Considering this Single Collection is almost totally made of strong singles, IMO it will sell very well
Only 2 of it's 13 songs didn't sell over 1 million on digital charts, and one of those 2 was very close to it... 3 songs sold + than 2 million, and one, more than 7 million digital copies...

waterballoon 8th October 2010 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514253)
@waterballoonThis would be a valid argument if 90% of her biggest hits weren't among her most generic tracks... Actually, besides M and Evolution, all of her big hits are pretty much generic jpop...

Yeah ikr, her most famous songs like Days, BLUE BIRD, SEASONS, Sunrise are all your standard J-Pop fare, which is why I don't think it's like she stopped making "amazing" music just because she doesn't have good tie-ins.

Btw, you're right that Ayu goes against the trend by releasing whatever she wants and all that, but if we've noticed, her recent singles have all been 'safe' songs...

- Days/GREEN
- Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~
- You were.../BALLAD
- MOON/blossom
- crossroad
- L

Almost all the songs in there are ballads/pop songs, so it's like yeah she's going on the safe route; maybe to ensure a #1 weekly for her streak, maybe to keep the public moderately interested in her, I dunno either lol.

Her "unique" stuff are mostly always album tracks or at most B-Sides... alterna, ourselves, Don't look back are the 3 songs off the top of my mind that are either B-Sides, not the main song in a maxi single or an album track. Even for Last angel on L, which could arguably be the "different" song, also isn't the main song on L. Heck it didn't have a PV.

Also, her last single with a rock song was... Mirrorcle World? But that's a 10th Anniversary special single, so if we disregard that, it would be talkin' 2 myself, which was like 3 years ago lol.

Nothing wrong with her going down the safe route, but I think everyone should at least understand why she's releasing singles in this way and genre lol

ストロボ・EdGE 8th October 2010 06:18 AM

^Uhh.... ourselves was the lead A-side of &...

And also Rule was a rock song paired with an Sparkle, which is arguably very "unsafe", and that came out just last year in 09.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2514279)
Yeah ikr, her most famous songs like Days, BLUE BIRD, SEASONS, Sunrise are all your standard J-Pop fare, which is why I don't think it's like she stopped making "amazing" music just because she doesn't have good tie-ins.

Btw, you're right that Ayu goes against the trend by releasing whatever she wants and all that, but if we've noticed, her recent singles have all been 'safe' songs...

- Days/GREEN
- Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~
- You were.../BALLAD
- MOON/blossom
- crossroad
- L

Almost all the songs in there are ballads/pop songs, so it's like yeah she's going on the safe route; maybe to ensure a #1 weekly for her streak, maybe to keep the public moderately interested in her, I dunno either lol.

Her "unique" stuff are mostly always album tracks or at most B-Sides... alterna, ourselves, Don't look back are the 3 songs off the top of my mind that are either B-Sides, not the main song in a maxi single or an album track. Even for Last angel on L, which could arguably be the "different" song, also isn't the main song on L. Heck it didn't have a PV.

Also, her last single with a rock song was... Mirrorcle World? But that's a 10th Anniversary special single, so if we disregard that, it would be talkin' 2 myself, which was like 3 years ago lol.

Nothing wrong with her going down the safe route, but I think everyone should at least understand why she's releasing singles in this way and genre lol

Well, I agree her post Next Level era singles are pretty much very safe (considering that on NL we had a lesbic PV, a rock track and a electro pop track, besides the bondage video), still, her album tracks with pvs weren't safe at all, and RnRC had some of her most risky videos on the same album... And the album tracks are showed on TV, so, it's not like only who bought the album listened to them

This era has Moon/Blossom as a very safe single, but I don't know If I would consider the other tracks all that safe, considering they lyrical themes and that they have little to no teen-appeal, something she always had on her summer and winter singles...

Ayu's marketing strategy right now seens to be close to Namie's, actually... a more commercial single, followed by an album with more creative tracks and tour as main promotion

waterballoon 8th October 2010 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE (Post 2514289)
^Uhh.... ourselves was the lead A-side of &...

And also Rule was a rock song paired with an Sparkle, which is arguably very "unsafe", and that came out just last year in 09.

oh **** I mixed & and H up ><" sorry about that and omg I forgot about Rule too! Ah I'm so sorry... well my previous post was invalid then; Ayu's a brave woman :laugh

ストロボ・EdGE 8th October 2010 06:22 AM

^No, I think your argument is very valid; I just wanted to point that out though.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2514294)
oh **** I mixed & and H up ><" sorry about that and omg I forgot about Rule too! Ah I'm so sorry... well my previous post was invalid then; Ayu's a brave woman :laugh

Never forget that! :P
Actually, she is just mixing her heavy stuff with comercial stuff, so, the message goes to her listeners without she being bashed to death and ignored by the public...
Japanese people hates their pop divas to have a brain

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514207)
I think nowadays people are more interested in listening to slick and catchy music, with some cool dance moves, more than anything else. Not just in Japan, but everywhere. That's what I've been noticing the past couple of years.

This is natural after big crisis... People were and are worried about it and when they get the chance to listen to some music or watch a movie, they wanna forget the problems and relax

waterballoon 8th October 2010 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE (Post 2514296)
^No, I think your argument is very valid; I just wanted to point that out though.

Thank you! :D

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514298)
Never forget that! :P
Actually, she is just mixing her heavy stuff with comercial stuff, so, the message goes to her listeners without she being bashed to death and ignored by the public...
Japanese people hates their pop divas to have a brain

:laugh that's true!

Anyway yeah but it's funny to me how her 48th-50th singles belong in the safe genre... pretty smart move to further ensure her #1 weekly; even if the lyrical content might be not so mainstream, the main genre of the singles are still the Japanese people's favorite lol...

Oh I just remembered that even if she released rock/non-conventional singles like Mirrorcle World & Rule/Sparkle (since they're the most recent ones); they're usually linked with a special event/tie-in... MW with 10th anniversary, R/S with the Dragonball movie which although sucked balls but Dragonball is still quite popular/well known in Japan I guess, so that kinda ensured that proper sales for these singles...

And it's hard to not release standard J-Pop songs in Japan anyway... I think Koda Kumi is a good example; where when she released Gossip Candy, the sales were much less than Suki de x3 which was a 3 A-side ballad single.

Japan eats singles... :laugh

bluegie 8th October 2010 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514298)
This is natural after big crisis... People were and are worried about it and when they get the chance to listen to some music or watch a movie, they wanna forget the problems and relax


That is probly true. Although back between 1997 - 2003 or so, the economy in Asia was pretty bad, but lots of genius acts came out during that era...

But I agree that ayu's playing safe on her singles for these two years. Then she makes bold stuff in her albums (I guess the album streak is gone so she doesn't need to worry anymore). Then again, she's only making half of the albums in danger zone.

Ranma Matsuri 8th October 2010 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514298)
Japanese people hates their pop divas to have a brain

The USA is pretty guilty of that as well. Or rather, they love to assume that all pop stars are brainless puppets so it gives them something to rant about on TMZ.com . :laugh

TITANIC 8th October 2010 07:29 AM

seems like 2nd week will sell less tha what M/B did.

C+R+E+AYUMI 8th October 2010 08:43 AM

hope not...i took a look to youwere/BALLAD sales..omygosh they were surprising! Anyway i'm satisfied of how the sales went

hsienko 8th October 2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514207)
I think nowadays people are more interested in listening to slick and catchy music, with some cool dance moves, more than anything else. Not just in Japan, but everywhere. That's what I've been noticing the past couple of years.

Well synth pop is what's popular these days and not really really Ayu's brand of "power pop." The single sold good considering that genre is not popular these days, Ayu is the only one in this genre that actually sells good and gets top chart positions.

Nackar_91 8th October 2010 10:54 AM

Actually, Japan is still quite different from the US in that ballads are still the predominant form of popular music. While an artist like Lady Gaga can be popular with just dance beats, almost all of the famous artists in Japan (popartists) have had their biggest hits in ballads.

While the Japanese love the dance-style in Western artists (they eat up Lady Gaga and Kesha) they don't seem to want it in their own...

apple-pi 8th October 2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 2514202)
No I want female artists that are more talent than AKB48 or momosu. Just like back in 2000 - 2003: ayu, hikki, ringo, misia, aiko, etc.

I asked about female idols, not female artists... but ok...

ayumisrael 8th October 2010 12:11 PM

4th Day
Position: #6
Sales: Later
Total Sales: Later

Lanz16 8th October 2010 12:19 PM

L keeps fighting back for top 5! :D

bluegie 8th October 2010 12:27 PM

yes it's back to no. 6 :)

waterballoon 8th October 2010 01:46 PM

yay a climb!

TITANIC 8th October 2010 01:50 PM

Yuhu top 5 ahead

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranma Matsuri (Post 2514351)
The USA is pretty guilty of that as well. Or rather, they love to assume that all pop stars are brainless puppets so it gives them something to rant about on TMZ.com . :laugh

Well, at least in USA their sales might improve if their are vocal about some controversial subject... While it will pretty much just drop in Japan xD

There are puppet popstars in every pop market of the world... Japan just seen to be proud of having it... Even here on AHS there are people who sometimes seens to believe that Ayu is just doing whatever Avex makes her do....

I find it funny cuz everytime I read about here career, they always says that being in charge of everything is what makes her different from your everyday idol, while her own fans treat her like a brainless doll that sometimes might have insightful ideas for deep lyrics :P

Luvia 8th October 2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514687)
Well, at least in USA their sales might improve if their are vocal about some controversial subject... While it will pretty much just drop in Japan xD

There are puppet popstars in every pop market of the world... Japan just seen to be proud of having it... Even here on AHS there are people who sometimes seens to believe that Ayu is just doing whatever Avex makes her do....

I find it funny cuz everytime I read about here career, they always says that being in charge of everything is what makes her different from your everyday idol, while her own fans treat her like a brainless doll that sometimes might have insightful ideas for deep lyrics :P

well, i'm not into western music at all, but it really turns me off when their songs are about controversial subject like... ok, whatever.. :innocent

i quite agree with you about how some ayu fans treating her as that.
But seriously, how do we know which of the things Ayu had done are being arranged by avex or decided by Ayu herself. Shouldn't we just see it as it was Ayu who took charge in whatever she wants to do and release? :headache

Yumsushi 8th October 2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514687)
There are puppet popstars in every pop market of the world... Japan just seen to be proud of having it... Even here on AHS there are people who sometimes seens to believe that Ayu is just doing whatever Avex makes her do....

I find it funny cuz everytime I read about here career, they always says that being in charge of everything is what makes her different from your everyday idol, while her own fans treat her like a brainless doll that sometimes might have insightful ideas for deep lyrics :P

I don't think Ayumi is as involved in every aspect of her career as she was before. In fact, she herself said that she had delegated tasks to people she could trust, and then we got the work of art that is S/S ~love is all~ and some people got fired. We have no idea what it is she is still controlling and what she has delegated and what Avex determines.

There is a reason that people think that Avex controls much of what she does. Weren't Next Level and TRICK released just in time to add to Avex's sales before their annual stockholders meeting or something along these lines? How much promotion did Next Level get? And even back when Ayumi was in full control of her career, Avex still forced her to release A Best.

At the end of the day, this is all speculation but most of all, I don't see how one would consider an artist that is controlled by their records label as a drone as you seem to be implying; isn't that how the music industry works in general? I don't think there is any correlation between the two.

Andrenekoi 8th October 2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvia (Post 2514749)
well, i'm not into western music at all, but it really turns me off when their songs are about controversial subject like... ok, whatever.. :innocent

i quite agree with you about how some ayu fans treating her as that.
But seriously, how do we know which of the things Ayu had done are being arranged by avex or decided by Ayu herself. Shouldn't we just see it as it was Ayu who took charge in whatever she wants to do and release? :headache

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jpop#Avex_group), with font in japanese :P
Spoiler:
Ayumi Hamasaki won Grand Prix awards for three consecutive years—the first time in Japan Record Award history—between 2001 and 2003.[104] Although Hamasaki became very famous, Tom Yoda, then-chairman of her record company Avex Group, argued that her tactics were risky, because Avex disregarded the modern portfolio theory.[105] This concern disappeared when the company's other singers (such as Ai Otsuka, Kumi Koda, and Exile) also reached a certain level of popularity in the mid-2000s under Yoda's management policy.[105]


Max Matsura already said Ayu should be credited as a producer cuz she have creative control of everything she releases... So, her music, her image and her performances: her decisions... Considering we never had another A Best incident, I would say they aren't really forcing her through releases dates she feels unconfortable with...
All of her singles that aren't generic winter ballads, generic summer songs and cutesy up-beat pop are pretty much risky... considering she usually only has 1 of each kind on her albums, even if it's Avex controlling her (what I doubt), it's very little control...

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2514787)
I don't think Ayumi is as involved in every aspect of her career as she was before. In fact, she herself said that she had delegated tasks to people she could trust, and then we got the work of art that is S/S ~love is all~ and some people got fired. We have no idea what it is she is still controlling and what she has delegated and what Avex determines.

There is a reason that people think that Avex controls much of what she does. Weren't Next Level and TRICK released just in time to add to Avex's sales before their annual stockholders meeting or something along these lines? How much promotion did Next Level get? And even back when Ayumi was in full control of her career, Avex still forced her to release A Best.

At the end of the day, this is all speculation but most of all, I don't see how one would consider an artist that is controlled by their records label as a drone as you seem to be implying; isn't that how the music industry works in general? I don't think there is any correlation between the two.

Being in control of everything doesn't mean doing everything yourself (doing everything yourself is stupid, by the way, nobody has enough knowlegment to produce every single aspect of a pop culture fenomenom)... If she has a staff made of people she trusts and still aproves what is going to be used and how is it going to be used, she still is controlling it.... About NEXT LEVEL being released to add sales to Avex`s before they stockholders meeting is pure speculation... And considering the tour was already announced when the release date of the album was announced, I doubt it was the case (cuz u need an album to start a tour that will promote an album :P). You can watch the making offs, you can read Vivi's article about the Naked Talk thing... you will still find Ayu *****ing around people to make sure she likes what is being released...

Being it good, being it bad, still is her fault... Or people around here should just stop praising her for everything they like and bashing Avex for everything they dislike... If Avex is controlling everything, let's praise Avex for her lyrics, concerts and good music too ;)

rakeru 8th October 2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2514787)
I don't think Ayumi is as involved in every aspect of her career as she was before. In fact, she herself said that she had delegated tasks to people she could trust, and then we got the work of art that is S/S ~love is all~ and some people got fired. We have no idea what it is she is still controlling and what she has delegated and what Avex determines.

Where did you hear that someone got fired over S/S? I don't remember hearing about it, but that doesn't really mean anything. I feel like that would be a drastic step-- has she lost so much control over her image that she doesn't approve an image before it gets shopped and produced? I highly doubt it; she may delegate tasks to trusted advisors, but that's a rather major aspect of her career.

Yumsushi 8th October 2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rakeru (Post 2514810)
Where did you hear that someone got fired over S/S? I don't remember hearing about it, but that doesn't really mean anything. I feel like that would be a drastic step-- has she lost so much control over her image that she doesn't approve an image before it gets shopped and produced? I highly doubt it; she may delegate tasks to trusted advisors, but that's a rather major aspect of her career.

Very plausible
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100091

Again we can all doubt and argue but since we don't actually know its all speculation, but I think we can all are agree that S/S's covers were bad.

ayumisrael 8th October 2010 05:11 PM

4th Day
Position: #6
Sales: 1,290
Total Sales: 77,449

AyumiAi 9th October 2010 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2514207)
I think nowadays people are more interested in listening to slick and catchy music, with some cool dance moves, more than anything else. Not just in Japan, but everywhere. That's what I've been noticing the past couple of years.

This is so true and so sad :(
the actual integrity and beauty of the music isnt as valued as before.
Oh well as long as ayu releases music ill be happy :)

pop909 9th October 2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rakeru (Post 2514810)
Where did you hear that someone got fired over S/S? I don't remember hearing about it, but that doesn't really mean anything. I feel like that would be a drastic step-- has she lost so much control over her image that she doesn't approve an image before it gets shopped and produced? I highly doubt it; she may delegate tasks to trusted advisors, but that's a rather major aspect of her career.

Think about it in the eyes of the industry though. If Ayumi said that she had no control over her music and her image, what would she be? Maybe she is saying it this way because there is no other way to say it?

adantatu2 9th October 2010 01:04 AM

Her sales are lower this week, i hope better sales tomorrow ^_^

emi♡ 9th October 2010 02:44 AM

If you pay attention to what other Avex artists are doing, and the stuff Ayu does...

It's pretty noticeable the aspects of her career that might be influenced more by them than by her.

I don't think people really understand what it means for an artist to have no control, and similarly for an artist to have full control...especially for people who only know Ayu.

I personally believe, that Ayu has a great deal more control over her own image and music than many other artists, and I think that when Avex has suggestions, she takes them.

I think she's created a nice balance, and I really doubt that, at this point in her career, Avex has to "tell" her to do anything.

Ayu is a very special artist, and honestly, I don't see the rules applying to her as much as they do for other people. In any case, I think Ayu knows by now what needs to be done, and that she doesn't have to be led or told what to do.

In any case, if you know anything about Ayu, you know that she isn't going to be jerked around or made to do anything she doesn't want to without a fight lol Stubborn, she is :P

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brener 9th October 2010 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 2515263)
Her sales are lower this week, i hope better sales tomorrow ^_^

me too, I want so much that this single reaches 100k

kendelle 9th October 2010 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2515353)
If you pay attention to what other Avex artists are doing, and the stuff Ayu does...

It's pretty noticeable the aspects of her career that might be influenced more by them than by her.

I don't think people really understand what it means for an artist to have no control, and similarly for an artist to have full control...especially for people who only know Ayu.

I personally believe, that Ayu has a great deal more control over her own image and music than many other artists, and I think that when Avex has suggestions, she takes them.

I think she's created a nice balance, and I really doubt that, at this point in her career, Avex has to "tell" her to do anything.

Ayu is a very special artist, and honestly, I don't see the rules applying to her as much as they do for other people. In any case, I think Ayu knows by now what needs to be done, and that she doesn't have to be led or told what to do.

In any case, if you know anything about Ayu, you know that she isn't going to be jerked around or made to do anything she doesn't want to without a fight lol Stubborn, she is :P

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I agree with this, Ayu is far too powerful within Avex to have no control over anything to do with her image but in some areas she would take Avex's advice if it's given to her. After all, she's no marketing executive and despite her experiences in the industry, she has a worse idea of what would be popular and accepted within Japan than, say, someone who's studied popular culture and marketing at university for 5 years and has that as their career.

I agree that S/S was a photographic disaster but people getting fired over them? Let's take a step back. Ayu posed for those photographs. Do you think that if she thought they were that ugly she would have continued the shooting? I think she would have posted in her TA diary if the shoot didn't go well and dumped the staff way before S/S was allowed to happen.

Ayu liked the S/S shots, no matter how horrible we think they are. You can suggest that she had no choice because it was too late to change the covers but movies, albums, books....they get release dates pushed back all the time for all kinds of reasons. Ayu would have changed them if she had wanted to.

Ehh, back onto the topic of this thread, I want sales updates, darn it! xD I want L to sell over 100k in the first month~~~~~~

ayumisrael 9th October 2010 11:06 AM

5th Day
Position: #6
Sales: Later
Total Saler: Later

Cherry Dynamite 9th October 2010 11:47 AM

I don't even frequently read news about Ayu but I do know she changed her creative team.
There are other possible reason for firing people maybe she wanted something new, and personally I think it's a good change because you can't work with the same people without being redundant.

TITANIC 9th October 2010 12:37 PM

ohh she hasnt able to hit the top 5 yet?

ayumisrael 9th October 2010 03:43 PM

5th Day
Position: #6
Sales: 1,195
Total Saler: 78,644

Mirrorcle Monster 9th October 2010 04:19 PM

It deserves loooot more...

freedreamer 9th October 2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2514279)
Yeah ikr, her most famous songs like Days, BLUE BIRD, SEASONS, Sunrise are all your standard J-Pop fare, which is why I don't think it's like she stopped making "amazing" music just because she doesn't have good tie-ins.

Btw, you're right that Ayu goes against the trend by releasing whatever she wants and all that, but if we've noticed, her recent singles have all been 'safe' songs...

- Days/GREEN
- Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~
- You were.../BALLAD
- MOON/blossom
- crossroad
- L

Almost all the songs in there are ballads/pop songs, so it's like yeah she's going on the safe route; maybe to ensure a #1 weekly for her streak, maybe to keep the public moderately interested in her, I dunno either lol.

Her "unique" stuff are mostly always album tracks or at most B-Sides... alterna, ourselves, Don't look back are the 3 songs off the top of my mind that are either B-Sides, not the main song in a maxi single or an album track. Even for Last angel on L, which could arguably be the "different" song, also isn't the main song on L. Heck it didn't have a PV.

Also, her last single with a rock song was... Mirrorcle World? But that's a 10th Anniversary special single, so if we disregard that, it would be talkin' 2 myself, which was like 3 years ago lol.

Nothing wrong with her going down the safe route, but I think everyone should at least understand why she's releasing singles in this way and genre lol

Sory to quote a post so back but i havent been keeping up with this thread and when I came in, i was lost haha.

Yes, I think Japanese LOVE their form of happy-sounding jpop and generally, kawaii, feel-good, radio-friendly music which can go along way. Personally, I've never really felt that any pop song in Ayu's single discography as something not pop..it feels like, yes like what others have sad "Power pop" because they are definitely stronger than the general JPOP. I mean, as long as singles are being sold, we can expect something not too strange and beyond the Japanese audience's type of music. it NEEDS to be sold.

While for albums, I definitely see Ayu being very creative. songs like until that Day..., 1 LOVE, Marionette, Microphone, LOVE'n'HATE...these are songs that I wont see them being huge radio hits and common favs among the GENERAL audience. But Ayu releases them.

She could really just release a whole of "You were..." and "MOON" and "M" and "Days"...because its a safe zone of music coming from Ayu herself. I still think her ballads like MOON and M are something that is unique from Ayu and no other artiste honestly.

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2515353)
Ayu is a very special artist, and honestly, I don't see the rules applying to her as much as they do for other people. In any case, I think Ayu knows by now what needs to be done, and that she doesn't have to be led or told what to do.

In any case, if you know anything about Ayu, you know that she isn't going to be jerked around or made to do anything she doesn't want to without a fight lol Stubborn, she is :P

Yes I definitely agree. Ayu HAS the power. I mean, being a kpop fan as well, some songs are just plain ridiculous but they can be huge hits...and I really wonder if the idols themselves singing these songs truly...have any say over what they want to sing.

leaving kpop aside, some jpop artistes as well seem to be overpowered by their company...esp those currently being sidecased. And seeing Ayu participate in the production of her material thru documentaries convinces me that she has a Direction.

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on the side note, im actually really happy with L's sales...it's much more stable compared to her other recent singles. it just goes to show that there is still a main fanbase :)
of course, being a 50th single, i wished it would hit 100k at least but well, i blame it for the lack of promotion really

ayuinh.k? 10th October 2010 12:59 AM

some random news from taiwan...
L is #1 on the g-music j-pop/k-pop chart with 14.64% of total sales from that week

crossroad only got #2 with 12.46% on its week, but it was up against SNSD's GENIE and taiwan is experiencing a huge hallyu wave right now just like japan, so its still good

ayumisrael 10th October 2010 02:37 PM

6th Day
Position: #8
Sales: 1,286
Total Sales: 79,930

C+R+E+AYUMI 10th October 2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry Dynamite (Post 2515624)
I don't even frequently read news about Ayu but I do know she changed her creative team.
There are other possible reason for firing people maybe she wanted something new, and personally I think it's a good change because you can't work with the same people without being redundant.

i agree..considering her long career she needed to change an renew or she could repeat herself

AyumiAi 10th October 2010 10:23 PM

so around 80k sales total after second week,
not so bad >.< still deserves more

brener 10th October 2010 11:25 PM

80k in the 2nd week and had an increase today *-*

Ranma Matsuri 11th October 2010 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2514687)
Well, at least in USA their sales might improve if their are vocal about some controversial subject... While it will pretty much just drop in Japan xD

There are puppet popstars in every pop market of the world... Japan just seen to be proud of having it... Even here on AHS there are people who sometimes seens to believe that Ayu is just doing whatever Avex makes her do....

I find it funny cuz everytime I read about here career, they always says that being in charge of everything is what makes her different from your everyday idol, while her own fans treat her like a brainless doll that sometimes might have insightful ideas for deep lyrics :P

lol This sounds VERY familiar, this is also a common occurrence in the fandom of a certain westerner pop diva that I love. The fans are always raving over the control she has but whenever something goes awry or they dislike something, the blame automatically goes to her label and they'll try their darn hardest to argue that she's dumb as a rock and "didn't realize what was happening" though all signs point the other way. It pisses me off but it's hilarious at the same time how people contradict themselves seamlessly to fit their own POV. :roflmao

Andrenekoi 11th October 2010 06:40 AM

^Curious... who? xD

joshohhhhh 11th October 2010 07:02 AM

she should try working with producers/directors she has never worked with before.


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