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SKYia 22nd September 2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029541)
I just refuse to be happy with this release when she has been capable of much better e.g. in PCDL, PoM, even the RnRC tour.

True, true.

Deep snow 22nd September 2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu2001 (Post 3029205)
I think poker face is prerecording, Fly high too...
i compared between CD ver. and Real live rips.
maybe HEAVEN is not full live. i think it has part of prerecording
JEWEL is live.
but i can't assure M and No way to say are full live
maybe No way to say has part of prerecording. M is full live

The ones you hear on the CD is basically the "real live ver." but polished the fuck up by Autotunes, that's why they sound similar, only better. All of the songs on the CD are "full live", but Autotuned; I doubt there is a prerecorded part in them, except for some parts in Tell All (i.e. "nani mo kowakunai yo") - so when there actually is, you can obviously tell.

!Lawi! 22nd September 2013 12:23 PM

^
^The RnRC Tour is her best tour ever, maybe not vocally, but she sounded more than decent and the whole thing was so impressive !

I'm fine with what I'm hearing so far, she sounds really good on some tracks, though she does "force" her voice at some points. It's really obvious on A Song for XX, she sounds quite bad compared with other lives...
But I still think it's better than the HLS Tour, I thought she sounded really weak in that one. Vocally speaking, her last perfect concert was probably the CDL HLS, it was perfect from the first song to the end of the encore !

js_surrealism 22nd September 2013 01:49 PM

^ Yes. Which is why I wish she DIDN'T release the live album after all, since it isn't a vocally or musically impressive show at all. I would have been perfectly happy with a DVD of the tour, and have her save live albums for the tours that deserve it. Even an A Best 3 (with Tell All -which I think is a great song, butchered on this tour- included) would have been a better 'celebration gift' of sorts for me.

njanjayrp 22nd September 2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029564)
^ Yes. Which is why I wish she DIDN'T release the live album after all, since it isn't a vocally or musically impressive show at all. I would have been perfectly happy with a DVD of the tour, and have her save live albums for the tours that deserve it. Even an A Best 3 (with Tell All -which I think is a great song, butchered on this tour- included) would have been a better 'celebration gift' of sorts for me.

I don't get what's the big deal. Just don't listen to it...There are many of us who are enjoying it.

marty 22nd September 2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3029327)
Please. Don't you ever ever ever ever ever ever compare Celine to Koda vocal-wise again. x_x

Lol, but why?? XD

ayu2001 22nd September 2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kinix (Post 3029406)
I think ayu2001 was trying say that those track were not from the last date recording but from other tour dates. Which means it's live and not recorded.

soorry.... but i meant she used one pre-recording song during whole being held concert (April~July) / i can say on CD, the poker face and Fly high were from last date live ver. she said 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' or 'minnade' or 'ikanji' 'ikuyo' when she sings Fly high on CD ver. you can't hear these words on fan rip ver. (if poker face and Fly high are not pre-recording songs the possibility still remains that they used other day's live ver for release. but i can assure they are pre-recording songs)

by the way i like this live cd. but releasing this CD is little bit disappointing.

owlflight 22nd September 2013 02:27 PM

I'm undecided on whether to buy the bluray or not. I typically don't buy concert releases but I like this set list...

ayumi_ed 22nd September 2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KLJames (Post 3028988)
her chorus sing:
we're on the journey looking for love, we will grow up and to be happy

she sing: i'm on the journey looking for love

and the song end with:
bokutachi wa kono nagai tabiji no (at the end of this long journey)
i believe... anything anywhere anytime anyone

Thanks for the added lyrics! This makes Voyage an even more meaningful song :)

ayu2001 22nd September 2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep snow (Post 3029548)
The ones you hear on the CD is basically the "real live ver." but polished the fuck up by Autotunes, that's why they sound similar, only better. All of the songs on the CD are "full live", but Autotuned; I doubt there is a prerecorded part in them, except for some parts in Tell All (i.e. "nani mo kowakunai yo") - so when there actually is, you can obviously tell.

yes, you're right. they used autotunes a lot.
anyway, do you know PCDL has a lot of pre-recorded songs?
medley (especially ANGEL'S SONG-I have video if you want i will give you.).. SCAR.. Over... the TV version of PCDL on 12.31 proves the truth. she missed words but sound is streaming. (example. when she sings 'Over', the part 'it's over' in middle, she put down the microphone but the sound is streaming. but on DVD ver. she doesn't put down the microphone and she sang that part. it's scary thing though!! they mixed 2008.12.30 and 2008.12.31 for release. And they(Maybe it was WOWOW TV) broadcasted the same live on another day. they changed that scene.)
and she released PCDL CD for NEXT LEVEL.
i'm sure you knew these facts.
as you know she has been using pre-recorded songs for a long time.
maybe she used pre-recorded songs on A BEST LIVE too.
but i don't care about it.
and did you listen what i linked files? if you did, you could find what i said. it's almost same. i think anyone can't deny the fact.

in my case. i like this LIVE CD. i enjoyed this CD. still love her live.
but they advertise 'it's live CD'. it's little bit dishonor.
they have no sense of honor.
the CD's title is 'LIVE'. but they use pre-recorded songs on LIVE CD. can you believe?
I understand she uses pre-recording songs for LIVE.
if she uses pre-recorded songs on LIVE, I DO NOT CARE about it.
in fact, i don't like pre-recording but seriously i don't care.
but releasing LIVE cd is absolutely ridiculous. and they are selling the CDs.
i feel uncomfortable. she did already before though. (PCDL CD.)
i think she will have to never release live cd if she uses pre-recorded songs for concert. or she has to exclude the pre-recorded songs.
also i think she is to blame for that. i'm 14 years fan of ayu. i love her from 1999. but if she goes wrong way, i will blame her because i'm a fan of her. i can't stand that she loose her own pride in these days... choosing these tracks to include is disappointing decision i think..

hidekirby 22nd September 2013 05:56 PM

I noticed something I don't understand with the HEAVEN perf.
You can hear a "glitch" when she sings "Koraekirezu namida aFUreta". And I always noticed this issue with the CD version! She must pronounce "afureta" in a funny way or there is something weird here.

The prerecorded tracks is not a real issue IMO. She proves she is working on polishing her voice and there is a result. It's not like a quarter of the live was "fake". We are not back to the PCDL era. I just hope the tendency to use prerecorded vocals is not back.

title156 22nd September 2013 06:02 PM

http://madonnaonline.mtv.uol.com.br/..._doubleCD1.jpg
^^ Hey, this LIVE ALBUM is 100% live...

lol just kidding
Releasing the LIVE CD is not only about the vocal is also the arrangement. Many artists released LIVE CD contained lip-synced tracks to fulfill the albums and that will persuade casual listeners to buy them. Can you imagine an A BEST LIVE album without 'poker face'? And do not try to find reasons why they're not singing that songs LIVE, it's the artists personal reasons.

So... enjoy the show!!

pimenta 22nd September 2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029541)
The point is, whether you like it or not, the audio quality on this album is -objectively- bad. It's great that you enjoyed your purchase but to expect people to shell out 3000~4000 yen on something that sounds like a fan recording (yes I don't mince my words, and you would agree with me if you've heard any other live album; feel free to call me overdramatic) is ridiculous.

Amazes me that you assume I didn't otherwise I should agree with you. I love live albums, I do listen to many of those, and I still don't agree with you ;)

We get it, you don't like this release, you made yourself very clear about it, why can't you just ignore it then? You're way too concerned in express how she should never have released it when a lot of people actually enjoyed this release. If you don't like it, just ignore it, it's just a live CD and people who're buying it are just the ones who're interested in it, it was never supposed to have good sales, it's not big deal LOL


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Originally Posted by !Lawi! (Post 3029549)
^
Vocally speaking, her last perfect concert was probably the CDL HLS, it was perfect from the first song to the end of the encore !

haha I think her vocals were pretty bad in many parts of that CDL (judging by the TV ver.). I guess we all have different opinions about her vocals.

For me, it's ok if she forces her vocals in some songs as long as she can keep the tone (like Who..., although it sounds completely forced, she did manage to keep the tone). My problem is when she forces and fails to keep the tone because of that :(

ayumimylove 22nd September 2013 08:25 PM

For me the last concert where she sang really well was CDL 2012 2013 Wake me up, I think that was a REALLY good concert vocally speaking, even in tv version.

ayu2001 22nd September 2013 10:35 PM

thank you title156.
i have question title156..
hmm..why some people don't try to believe poker face and Fly high are pre-recorded songs on this posting at least?
and some people look upset when i said about the live cd has some pre-recorded songs. why?
i just said it has pre-recorded songs at first. i didn't say any my opinion for including pre-recorded songs.
and then why did they do?
i enjoyed your video though. thank you

Andrenekoi 23rd September 2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029541)
The point is, whether you like it or not, the audio quality on this album is -objectively- bad. It's great that you enjoyed your purchase but to expect people to shell out 3000~4000 yen on something that sounds like a fan recording (yes I don't mince my words, and you would agree with me if you've heard any other live album; feel free to call me overdramatic) is ridiculous. Fans put up with the obvious rip off that was "Love, again" because the music was actually good and I am afraid I cannot say the same for this release when all I hear is what sounds like her singing to a pre-recorded track (seriously, that "M" performance, the backing track was disgraceful).

By "new" material I wasn't referring to brand new songs per se. Even some of her less popular hits would have been a refreshing change. At the very least, maybe new arrangements of her hits. I just refuse to be happy with this release when she has been capable of much better e.g. in PCDL, PoM, even the RnRC tour.

Sweety, "live albums" are the bread and butter of brazillian pop music. They are the best selling albums in the career of some of our biggest performers and live recording cuts constantly become huge radio hits. The "live album" thing is SO big over here some (dull) artists release fake live albums with pre-recorded audience cheering. Pimenta probably heard 10x more live albums than you just by living on the country she lives.

pimenta 23rd September 2013 12:34 AM

^ So true, it's impossible that someone who lives in Brazil isn't used to live albums, they're more popular than studio albums here :laugh

kinix 23rd September 2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu2001 (Post 3029577)
soorry.... but i meant she used one pre-recording song during whole being held concert (April~July) / i can say on CD, the poker face and Fly high were from last date live ver. she said 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' or 'minnade' or 'ikanji' 'ikuyo' when she sings Fly high on CD ver. you can't hear these words on fan rip ver. (if poker face and Fly high are not pre-recording songs the possibility still remains that they used other day's live ver for release. but i can assure they are pre-recording songs)

Yes, I know what you meant and that's still my point. As what Chris85 had pointed out was the same pre-recorded track was used throughout the tour. But in this case where you've pointed out yourself was that the recording was different on the final show. Thus, there's no guarantee that all shows were used with pre-recorded track.
(Do we have fan recordings from the last live? I think we only have recordings from the earlier dates)
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Originally Posted by ayu2001 (Post 3029597)
yes, you're right. they used autotunes a lot.
anyway, do you know PCDL has a lot of pre-recorded songs?
medley (especially ANGEL'S SONG-I have video if you want i will give you.).. SCAR.. Over... the TV version of PCDL on 12.31 proves the truth. she missed words but sound is streaming. (example. when she sings 'Over', the part 'it's over' in middle, she put down the microphone but the sound is streaming. but on DVD ver. she doesn't put down the microphone and she sang that part. it's scary thing though!! they mixed 2008.12.30 and 2008.12.31 for release. And they(Maybe it was WOWOW TV) broadcasted the same live on another day. they changed that scene.)
and she released PCDL CD for NEXT LEVEL.
i'm sure you knew these facts.
as you know she has been using pre-recorded songs for a long time.
maybe she used pre-recorded songs on A BEST LIVE too.
but i don't care about it.
and did you listen what i linked files? if you did, you could find what i said. it's almost same. i think anyone can't deny the fact.

in my case. i like this LIVE CD. i enjoyed this CD. still love her live.
but they advertise 'it's live CD'. it's little bit dishonor.
they have no sense of honor.
the CD's title is 'LIVE'. but they use pre-recorded songs on LIVE CD. can you believe?
I understand she uses pre-recording songs for LIVE.
if she uses pre-recorded songs on LIVE, I DO NOT CARE about it.
in fact, i don't like pre-recording but seriously i don't care.
but releasing LIVE cd is absolutely ridiculous. and they are selling the CDs.
i feel uncomfortable. she did already before though. (PCDL CD.)
i think she will have to never release live cd if she uses pre-recorded songs for concert. or she has to exclude the pre-recorded songs.
also i think she is to blame for that. i'm 14 years fan of ayu. i love her from 1999. but if she goes wrong way, i will blame her because i'm a fan of her. i can't stand that she loose her own pride in these days... choosing these tracks to include is disappointing decision i think..

Just wana touch a bit only the PCDL. I hope everyone remembers that she was injured before the live show and had little time to do rehearsal and even at the point before the concert, she was dealing with pain and this CDL consist of olders song which she didn't sang live before. So I don't blame her for the use of prerecording and lip-syncing during this show (for some tracks).

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Originally Posted by ayu2001 (Post 3029648)
thank you title156.
i have question title156..
hmm..why some people don't try to believe poker face and Fly high are pre-recorded songs on this posting at least?
and some people look upset when i said about the live cd has some pre-recorded songs. why?
i just said it has pre-recorded songs at first. i didn't say any my opinion for including pre-recorded songs.
and then why did they do?
i enjoyed your video though. thank you

Back to the pre-recorded tracks again, since she has already proven that it wasn't always pre-recorded tracks with the last show of the tour, she might not have use pre-recoreded tracks throughout the tour which maybe is why there is 2 views on this. So instead of asking people to accept that she used pre-recordings, have you ever asked yourself if you would accept that she didn't do it for the whole tour? (unless of course, that you've been to all her tours and had recorded and compared all the live recordings)
I don't know who you're talking about being upset regarding this but I feel that it's a little bit difficult to see who is upset by just looking at the words. The person might just be debating on the topic and not really upset about it (like in my case. It's more of sharing my view. I'm not really upset about pre-recordings. I'm upset about the quality of the recording instead...)

RealLight 23rd September 2013 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pimenta (Post 3029658)
^ So true, it's impossible that someone who lives in Brazil isn't used to live albums, they're more popular than studio albums here :laugh

I ain't. :v

js_surrealism 23rd September 2013 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pimenta (Post 3029614)
We get it, you don't like this release, you made yourself very clear about it, why can't you just ignore it then? You're way too concerned in express how she should never have released it when a lot of people actually enjoyed this release. If you don't like it, just ignore it, it's just a live CD and people who're buying it are just the ones who're interested in it, it was never supposed to have good sales, it's not big deal LOL


haha I think her vocals were pretty bad in many parts of that CDL (judging by the TV ver.). I guess we all have different opinions about her vocals.

For me, it's ok if she forces her vocals in some songs as long as she can keep the tone (like Who..., although it sounds completely forced, she did manage to keep the tone). My problem is when she forces and fails to keep the tone because of that :(

I can't ignore it because I am a fan who has a certain expectation of what my favourite artist does. Sorry then for having an opinion on something she does that is different from yours (though I am not sure why I am apologising, since one would assume that a discussion forum by virtue of it being a FORUM would yield different kinds of opinions).

I've never given 2 hoots about sales like some of the sales number nazis we have over here. I am just want my favourite artist to release good material which this live album, frankly speaking, isn't. All I did was to express that but it seems like you're the one who is "way too concerned" that I just think it sucks.

It's wonderful that you have listened to so many live albums; I will avoid the obvious issue of taste here because that is just too easy.

At any rate I am done with this discussion since obviously it is going nowhere. God forbid we ever have differing opinions on a discussion forum.

ayu2001 23rd September 2013 01:55 AM

thank you for answering. i will answer do my best. but i have poor english skills. so i have limit to explain though. but i will do my best to explain. because you mistook what i said.

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Originally Posted by kinix (Post 3029659)
But in this case where you've pointed out yourself was that the recording was different on the final show. Thus, there's no guarantee that all shows were used with pre-recorded track.

yes.. on A BEST LIVE CD. it's absolutely from the last live show. but the melody what she sing is not LIVE. What she said like 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' tell us it's from last live show and prove that. but the song. melody what she sing is maybe not, what i mean. you said 'those track were not from the last date recording but from other tour dates.'right? the last date recording is right. those tracks ARE last date recording, but her singing is not last date recording. that means she didn't live that song. just only her talking (like fi-na-ru, ikujae yoyogi etc..) is live. do you understand what i mean? as a result. i wanna say the same pre-recorded track was used throughout the whole tour.


and i remember too. she was injured before the show. but what i said is she is using pre-recorded songs on her LIVE tour. i don't blame for that. you have point out.
Deep snow said 'All of the songs on the CD are "full live".' so i just wanna say ayumi uses pre-recorded songs on her tour.. PCDL, she used and 10th anniversary she used. 09-10 she used. a-nation 07 she used. many tour she used already. so she may (i assure) used pre-recorded songs for this a best tour too(especially dancing songs or performance songs). that means all of the songs on the CD are maybe not full live", i just wanna say. PCDL is for JUST example to explain that she is using pre-recorded songs for a long time. i do not blame her passion of PCDL. if i have the thing wanna blame ayu of PCDL is she released PCDL for LIVE album. any other reason?, i don't care.:(


oh seriously do you think she used pre-recorded songs for only 2 dates in whole A BEST LIVE? oh.. and you said "you didn't attend whole tour so you can't confirm about using pre-recorded songs." oh my god... you amazed me! what can i say, you think like that. that's my fault. i didn't attend her whole tour of A BEST LIVE. so i can't confirm that she used pre-recorded song for the whole tour. yes you're right... and it's not you looking upset.

does AHS have message function?

kinix 23rd September 2013 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu2001 (Post 3029669)
yes.. on A BEST LIVE CD. it's absolutely from the last live show. but the melody what she sing is not LIVE. What she said like 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' tell us it's from last live show and prove that. but the song. melody what she sing is maybe not, what i mean. you said 'those track were not from the last date recording but from other tour dates.'right? the last date recording is right. those tracks ARE last date recording, but her singing is not last date recording. that means she didn't live that song. just only her talking (like fi-na-ru, ikujae yoyogi etc..) is live. do you understand what i mean? as a result. i wanna say the same pre-recorded track was used throughout the whole tour.


and i remember too. she was injured before the show. but what i said is she is using pre-recorded songs on her LIVE tour. i don't blame for that. you have point out.
Deep snow said 'All of the songs on the CD are "full live".' so i just wanna say ayumi uses pre-recorded songs on her tour.. PCDL, she used and 10th anniversary she used. 09-10 she used. a-nation 07 she used. many tour she used already. so she may (i assure) used pre-recorded songs for this a best tour too(especially dancing songs or performance songs). that means all of the songs on the CD are maybe not full live", i just wanna say. PCDL is for JUST example to explain that she is using pre-recorded songs for a long time. i do not blame her passion of PCDL. if i have the thing wanna blame ayu of PCDL is she released PCDL for LIVE album. any other reason?, i don't care.:(


oh seriously do you think she used pre-recorded songs for only 2 dates in whole A BEST LIVE? oh.. and you said "you didn't attend whole tour so you can't confirm about using pre-recorded songs." oh my god... you amazed me! what can i say, you think like that. that's my fault. i didn't attend her whole tour of A BEST LIVE. so i can't confirm that she used pre-recorded song for the whole tour. yes you're right... and it's not you looking upset.

does AHS have message function?

Ok, since you're so sure that it's a pre recorded track, have you done any comparison with another date's live rip in detail? I mean how can u be so certain that it's pre recorded without comparing in detail.
I'm sorry but I've nv blame you for not being able to make it to all of the tour dates. In fact, I've not been to any of the tour dates and that's why I didn't just go around saying that she didn't use pre recorded tracks, against those people who have been to. What I'm trying to imply is that how can you be certain of something which you've not been to? Isn't it kinda unfair to judge on something which you've not heard/seen yourself? I'm not tryig to say she didn't use pre recorded tracks for her tour, but are you certain that she had done it for all her tou? I think I'll stop here now cause u seem a little upset that others are against your view and end this before it gets rude.

microphone 23rd September 2013 04:38 AM

Who is playing "Voyage" on loop now?

She sounded terrible but Voyage saved this release. It was beautiful...

Didz-19 23rd September 2013 06:13 AM

I don't even bother if the songs were pre-recorded or LIVE

Larien 23rd September 2013 06:24 AM

So...if the DVD comes out in a week, where is the CM? ^^;

jiarongisme 23rd September 2013 07:29 AM

^ The DVD/Blu-ray doesn't come out till the end of next month. We don't even have the covers yet. :laugh

ayu2001 23rd September 2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kinix (Post 3029675)
how can you be certain of something which you've not been to?.

did you ask me that how i am certain? i told you already i think. and i gave you evidence already too.
seems you still think these songs are not pre-recorded songs. oh, that is ok.
i wanna ask you this time. "what is the reason that A BEST LIVE CD dosen't have any pre-recorded song you think?",
"why are the two dates songs same? (CD ver.-last date and fan rip ver.-other date)"
and "do you agree PCDL have some pre-recorded songs, at least":)
i hope you can answer all of my questions

tokyoxjapanxfan 23rd September 2013 12:18 PM

As someone who only went to the first date, I can't vouch for the other performances.

Ayu generally uses pre-recorded tracks only for cuter, poppier songs that maybe include some choreographed dance routines. On the live CD, the only songs that fit that description are Fly High and poker face.

I doubt she used any pre-recorded songs for her ballads. Mostly because she never really does that. But I'd say there's a possibility for Fly High and poker face. Though, that's not necessarily what I believe.

Zeke. 23rd September 2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by microphone (Post 3029688)
Who is playing "Voyage" on loop now?

She sounded terrible but Voyage saved this release. It was beautiful...

I would probably go "loopy" if I had that on repeat... I was already feeling anxious while listening to it during my first playthrough.

microphone 23rd September 2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

We're on a journey, looking for love and to be happy
Indeed, Ayu... and I hope you (and I) find love someday!

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3029729)
I would probably go "loopy" if I had that on repeat... I was already feeling anxious while listening to it during my first playthrough.

lol :dead2

njanjayrp 23rd September 2013 10:40 PM

JEWEL is deffo my fave track for now, followed by ASFXX, No way to say and Voyage.

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3029729)
I would probably go "loopy" if I had that on repeat... I was already feeling anxious while listening to it during my first playthrough.

Oh Zeke has changed his set. This calls for a celebration! :D

spanishfan 23rd September 2013 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan (Post 3029726)
As someone who only went to the first date, I can't vouch for the other performances.

Ayu generally uses pre-recorded tracks only for cuter, poppier songs that maybe include some choreographed dance routines. On the live CD, the only songs that fit that description are Fly High and poker face.

I doubt she used any pre-recorded songs for her ballads. Mostly because she never really does that. But I'd say there's a possibility for Fly High and poker face. Though, that's not necessarily what I believe.

I think the same. Maybe she did in those 2 songs (or one of them), but maybe not. I don't care anyway because she resung these for the concert. It's like the videos we saw in other tours, they're pre-recorded... it's just a show.
I usually don't mind about this. I only didn't like she lipsynced EnergizE at AT09 (I think, not sure she did) because I love that song xD

truehappiness 23rd September 2013 11:49 PM

I wish she would rearrange ANGEL'S SONG and actually sing it. That's like, one of my favorite songs (then again I have a dozen+ favorite songs... or more..) and she always performs it in that same way, agh.

kaito_moonlove 24th September 2013 02:29 AM

The only bad thing in this live album is the quality (as I think), On the other hand, ayu 's voice is strong, emotive and amazing, I really love this show although I haven't watched her performance. Using the pre-recordings track or not is not important because I ensure that she tried her best in this show and she may use it for some reasons.
Her voice completely changed, it is getting "older" but stronger and more emotive. Her fame may not be as the 2000s. You and I are the fans, we should support her more and wait to see her effort. We can complain the vocals or anythings else but Ayumi Hamasaki is still our womder woman ?
P/s" Sorry for my poor English guys

kotora 24th September 2013 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029801)
I wish she would rearrange ANGEL'S SONG and actually sing it. That's like, one of my favorite songs (then again I have a dozen+ favorite songs... or more..) and she always performs it in that same way, agh.

We still have countdown live 2013-2014 ...

She might preform some songs from the voting list.

truehappiness 24th September 2013 05:08 AM

Just saying but oh my god this Voyage is so good from A BEST LIVE.

They snuck a bit of progress in the melody, it sounds like.

js_surrealism 24th September 2013 05:53 AM

I will say that her performance of Teddy bear is decent. It's the one song on which she doesn't sound like she's shouting to compete with the backing track.

truehappiness 24th September 2013 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029849)
I will say that her performance of Teddy bear is decent. It's the one song on which she doesn't sound like she's shouting to compete with the backing track.

I listened to the whole album a few times and I didn't get the 'shouting' thing at all, really... unless she was singing something like Tell All where she will sound like she's yelling no matter what.

It's probably whoever was doing the mixing's fault.

js_surrealism 24th September 2013 06:29 AM

^ To me the shouting was most obvious in the opening lines of Voyage. I couldn't even bear to listen to it the first time I skipped right past it.

njanjayrp 24th September 2013 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029847)

They snuck a bit of progress in the melody, it sounds like.

I noticed that too :D

Oh and she definitely wasn't shouting, even during Tell All when she had so many chances to shout.

js_surrealism 24th September 2013 09:16 AM

I think the differences are quite obvious when you compare them to her earlier performances.

Compare her performance of M here and her performance of M in Dome Tour 2001. She can't sing and project without shouting these days.

Yoake 24th September 2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029801)
I wish she would rearrange ANGEL'S SONG and actually sing it. That's like, one of my favorite songs (then again I have a dozen+ favorite songs... or more..) and she always performs it in that same way, agh.

I would like to hear ANGEL'S SONG too.


I agree. She barely shouted in that live. Her vocals are great. There are a lot of decrescendo & crescendo in her singing way. However, when she's singing forte, she isn't yelling.

jeffycue 24th September 2013 12:11 PM

i thought she would sing Kanariya in this tour?

truehappiness 24th September 2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffycue (Post 3029888)
i thought she would sing Kanariya in this tour?

It probably made it in the top of the votes but didn't make it in the actual setlist? Or got DJ-sessioned or instrumentaled like ever free?


What from the list made it? What didn't?

Quote:

Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029876)
I think the differences are quite obvious when you compare them to her earlier performances.

Compare her performance of M here and her performance of M in Dome Tour 2001. She can't sing and project without shouting these days.

Dude, the way she sings is just different now. She used to sing out of her nostrils and her eyeballs. Now she sings how she probably should have from the beginning. Even in her best vocal years, she was totally singing out of her nose and should not have been.

SolarAngel 24th September 2013 01:37 PM

I like the squeaky wailing thing she used to do for songs like asfxx(a best ver), M and End Roll. For eg End Roll: soretemo omoTTETA ii yo ne, she does this haunting squeak. She doesn't do it anymore.. Rather miss it.

mizuki-7 24th September 2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029891)
Dude, the way she sings is just different now. She used to sing out of her nostrils and her eyeballs. Now she sings how she probably should have from the beginning. Even in her best vocal years, she was totally singing out of her nose and should not have been.

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njanjayrp 24th September 2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029891)
Dude, the way she sings is just different now. She used to sing out of her nostrils and her eyeballs. Now she sings how she probably should have from the beginning. Even in her best vocal years, she was totally singing out of her nose and should not have been.

:clapclap

js_surrealism 24th September 2013 06:31 PM

Really? Singing wrongly? Ok, because she sounds largely awful here (you want more examples? Dat No way to say chorus). So I guess I simply think she sounds better when she was singing "wrongly".

I am also very surprised that anybody thinks she sounds BETTER live now since I Was also under the impression that the consensus here was that her best vocal years were the Duty~I am era, followed by the My Story~Memorial Address period. Maybe I am wrong, in which case, power to you.

But once in awhile she puts out a good vocal performance these days. I quite liked Teddy Bear here.

Just to clarify - I'm not saying it's her fault if she sounds bad. I am aware that singing styles change and all that. And I hope people don't see this as a personal attack on her or whatever (which appears to be the case currently). I just thought she sounded horrible on this album mostly. And the production too - I really wish they did a better job if they were gonna put out a live album. If anything, this should be read as a criticism of the album rather than on Ayu herself.

kagami 24th September 2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029891)
Dude, the way she sings is just different now. She used to sing out of her nostrils and her eyeballs. Now she sings how she probably should have from the beginning. Even in her best vocal years, she was totally singing out of her nose and should not have been.

Not to mention that's how she probably damaged her vocals in the first place. I still can't get over how people think she sung so much better in her earlier years :shakehead

reixminako 24th September 2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029922)
Really? Singing wrongly? Ok, because she sounds largely awful here (you want more examples? Dat No way to say chorus). So I guess I simply think she sounds better when she was singing "wrongly".

Fact is she only recently began using a proper singing technique. Her earlier works sounded quite beautiful, but if you know about singing you'd know that she was using a pretty damaging technique for many years. I agree she sounded "better" when she was singing incorrectly, but doing that for so long is what led to the way her voice sounds now (which, despite using proper technique, doesn't sound that great, sorry to say [I still love her to death!]). So, in my opinion, complaining about the way her voice has developed while praising the very singing technique that made her voice the way it is is completely ridiculous.

Having said that, I actually enjoy this album. I was trained as a singer, so I've always had a bit of trouble listening to ayu sing some of her old songs because of the way she was damaging her voice. But hearing things like JEWEL and Memorial address sung in her new way is refreshing and very enjoyable, even if her voice is a little worn out. I can still feel her emotions coming from each song and that's why I don't mind that NEXT LEVEL - LOVE again doesn't sound like LOVEppears - MY STORY.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 24th September 2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3029922)
Really? Singing wrongly? Ok, because she sounds largely awful here (you want more examples? Dat No way to say chorus). So I guess I simply think she sounds better when she was singing "wrongly".

I am also very surprised that anybody thinks she sounds BETTER live now since I Was also under the impression that the consensus here was that her best vocal years were the Duty~I am era, followed by the My Story~Memorial Address period. Maybe I am wrong, in which case, power to you.

But once in awhile she puts out a good vocal performance these days. I quite liked Teddy Bear here.

Just to clarify - I'm not saying it's her fault if she sounds bad. I am aware that singing styles change and all that. And I hope people don't see this as a personal attack on her or whatever (which appears to be the case currently). I just thought she sounded horrible on this album mostly. And the production too - I really wish they did a better job if they were gonna put out a live album. If anything, this should be read as a criticism of the album rather than on Ayu herself.

LMAO at this basicness.

mizuki-7 24th September 2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kagami (Post 3029966)
Not to mention that's how she probably damaged her vocals in the first place. I still can't get over how people think she sung so much better in her earlier years :shakehead

^
Because like usual people can't dissociate vocal tone and vocal technique ...People are free to think her voice was better in her earlier years but the fact is that was the wrong way for her !

Personnally I prefered her vocal tone during My story/(miss) U but technically she is better now and that's important for a singer ! Though I can understand people who became fan of her in her debut and regret the voice she had back then but it's life =)

I think she needs some time to adapt her new technique to her past works !

btw sorry if my english is not that good ...

ayu-michan 24th September 2013 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3029847)
Just saying but oh my god this Voyage is so good from A BEST LIVE.

They snuck a bit of progress in the melody, it sounds like.

Omg I thought I'm the only one :D Sometimes I hear a bit of progress in it too.

js_surrealism 25th September 2013 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComatoseBunnySnatcher (Post 3029969)
LMAO at this basicness.

It's always charming when somebody uses a personal attack as a replacement for actual analysis.

To everyone else who actually tried to make a coherent argument and to explain their point of view - I appreciate it; it makes the forum a better place for discussion.

Back on the subject of the way she sounds here - I suppose then it boils down to a matter of taste. I far preferred the tone of her voice back in the I am... era. I am not classically trained, so I don't come from a school of thought that insists that certain techniques are better than others, but I know what sounds good to me and what doesn't. If you like how she sounds this album, wonderful; I'll be listening to her studio albums until the DVD for this comes out.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 25th September 2013 05:46 AM

Sorry, it's a completely different experience if you're actually there. I can finally say that after 15 years. I think her vocals were stellar throughout. She didn't shout or really do any MC, but I'm OK with that. The shouting that she DID do (A Song for, Fly high, You & Me, etc...) was enough to get me screaming, jumping, and crying, so I'm good.

js_surrealism 25th September 2013 06:58 AM

The live experience always changes things. I thought Shiina Ringo and Tokyo Jihen sounded spectacular at Rising Sun Rock when I attended, but when the TV telecast came out her vocals sounded like they were in really bad shape. No regrets attending though - best concert experience ever.

SolarAngel 25th September 2013 02:15 PM

Though I appreciate that Ayu has been trying to change her vocal technique to a deeper richer tone for several years now, as some of you have mentioned she doesn't sound good live. Song 4 u for example on hey hey hey sounded pretty shaky and this is what the general public sees (hears). Anyways it's not doing her any favours.

I also understand the part about listening to her studio albums and wishing she sounded like it live. Partly what drew me to her was being so impressed that her live seemed as good as the album sound (CDL05-06 being the reference).

js_surrealism 25th September 2013 07:39 PM

^ I will say that the one song that has benefitted from that new 'technique' is Bold & Delicious. Her lives of that song just keep getting better and better I wish she'd perform it again some time.

njanjayrp 25th September 2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolarAngel (Post 3030071)
Though I appreciate that Ayu has been trying to change her vocal technique to a deeper richer tone for several years now, as some of you have mentioned she doesn't sound good live. Song 4 u for example on hey hey hey sounded pretty shaky and this is what the general public sees (hears). Anyways it's not doing her any favours.

I also understand the part about listening to her studio albums and wishing she sounded like it live. Partly what drew me to her was being so impressed that her live seemed as good as the album sound (CDL05-06 being the reference).

I heard her live only twice, but imo she sounds way more powerful live.

TeamAyu2004 25th September 2013 09:32 PM

I loved her live voice. It's not as good as her computerized voice, but um, who's is?

I like her singing voice now more then it was in the past. She sounds like she has matured along with her music, and her age, and in her life... wait... OMG... I mean... are people ACTUALLY suppose to MATURE with age?!?!
Novel idea right there.

Livey~ 25th September 2013 09:43 PM

^ Unless you are Benjamin Button, yes, it is how it's supposed to be. :o

Heavenly 25th September 2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livey~ (Post 3030127)
^ Unless you are Benjamin Button, yes, it is how it's supposed to be. :o

I think his post was a bit ironic :laugh

Livey~ 25th September 2013 10:21 PM

^ Of course it was, but I couldn't resist XP

TeamAyu2004 25th September 2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 3030130)
I think his post was a bit ironic :laugh

:thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livey~ (Post 3030131)
^ Of course it was, but I couldn't resist XP

not really. He didn't age, he deaged. He still matured over time.

truehappiness 25th September 2013 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SolarAngel (Post 3030071)
Though I appreciate that Ayu has been trying to change her vocal technique to a deeper richer tone for several years now, as some of you have mentioned she doesn't sound good live. Song 4 u for example on hey hey hey sounded pretty shaky and this is what the general public sees (hears). Anyways it's not doing her any favours.

I also understand the part about listening to her studio albums and wishing she sounded like it live. Partly what drew me to her was being so impressed that her live seemed as good as the album sound (CDL05-06 being the reference).

CDL05-06 was crazy good. I wonder why she had to lipsync theme of a-nation '03 though, honestly...

2005/early 2006 was probably her best era 'vocally' from an aural aesthetic standpoint despite still singing through her nose and all that. The vocal damage doesn't help either. It was probably a combination of drinking all the time, singing the 'wrong way', and some other things which led to a quick deterioration in late 2006-2007ish. She never really did anything about it until that situation in 2008 or 2009 where she basically screwed up You were... and evolution. And then AT10 was amazing.

If only she started doing this earlier on in her career... BTW, she still does sing through her nose every so often, but only for certain tracks like poker face, hahahaha.

marty 26th September 2013 11:32 AM

I know nothing about proper singing techniques, but for me it's very obvious it was just a natural change due to her growing up. And maybe a little bit the result of her constant singing training in the meanwhile. I really find her early way of singing adorable and charming, and I think she had more power in her voice at that time too. But it's kind of normal, she just has started. Even Mariah Carey can't really sing the same way as before right now, it's bound to happen if one keeps on singing day after day.
I love her current way of singing, and I find her discography very interesting because of this gradual changing on her voice as well. I mean, it's so fascinating when you listen to her albums one after another, and can actually pinpoint her vocal evolution! Isn't it more interesting than a voice that's always the same through the years?

js_surrealism 26th September 2013 11:34 AM

^ and like Honey, which was basically written with that voice in mind, basically. Imagine if she sang that the same way she does in You were... lol.

Also, on a related note, I don't think anybody here is disputing the fact that her voice would naturally or otherwise mature/deteriorate with age (as some people have snarkily been implying). The discussion has always been about whether people like the way she sounds now. Some people do, some people don't.

That said, even voice 'maturation' can happen in many different ways. I think hiro from SPEED is a good example of a singer whose voice has grown better after maturing.

marty 26th September 2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3030308)
^ and like Honey, which was basically written with that voice in mind, basically. Imagine if she sang that the same way she does in You were... lol.

LOL. Omg, that's a horrible image (but I am kind of curious:D)!
And of course there are some people bound to dislike her current way of singing. Just like a lot of people don't like her voice in early albums and theyr'e totally entitled to do so (and I'll never understand them, but whateverXD).

jbrat2219 26th September 2013 04:48 PM

You were... is perfect the way it is. One of my favorite winter songs by far. She sounds so powerful in it. I dispise HONEY....

Heavenly 26th September 2013 09:27 PM

I would really like to know what would a HONEY-with-normal-voice sound like ...

truehappiness 26th September 2013 10:35 PM

They should just rearrange HONEY to be a heavy rock track or make a version called HONEY ~bittersweet~ that will be done at concerts. Kind of like how I want Ayu to perform Ladies Night ~another night~ at concerts only since her usual performances are all the cutesy ones.

Livey~ 26th September 2013 10:51 PM

^ OMG Ladies Night ~another night~ would be sooooo cool!

jiarongisme 27th September 2013 04:58 AM

Ahh yes. Ladies Night ~another night~ is one of the very few Ayu remixes (sans AOV) that I actually like. It's amazing.

marty 27th September 2013 11:16 PM

I would die for Ladies Night ~another night~ to be performed...So gorgeous!
You Were... Music Box Version too! <3

SKYia 27th September 2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty (Post 3030586)
I would die for Ladies Night ~another night~ to be performed...So gorgeous!
You Were... Music Box Version too! <3

Dream ON :(

pimenta 28th September 2013 12:39 AM

I always wished the version from the album was the Ladies Night ~another night~ one and the version from the single was the regular one, the another night version is so much better than the original imo :(

njanjayrp 28th September 2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3030424)
They should just rearrange HONEY to be a heavy rock track or make a version called HONEY ~bittersweet~ that will be done at concerts. Kind of like how I want Ayu to perform Ladies Night ~another night~ at concerts only since her usual performances are all the cutesy ones.

HONEY wasn't that bad this year, I still liked it better in 2005, but it had less vibrato than the CDL performances.

SolarAngel 28th September 2013 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 3030408)
I would really like to know what would a HONEY-with-normal-voice sound like ...

I thought she did that for AT2005. She sang the beginning part with the baby voice, laughed a little and went back to her normal voice. At least what's normal for her back then :P

Pieces_of_SEVEN 28th September 2013 10:33 PM

still no cover for the blu ray? sigh

owlflight 28th September 2013 11:07 PM

Maybe we will get cover previews in the next week or so. I need them to convince me to buy the bluray!

brener 29th September 2013 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimenta (Post 3030596)
I always wished the version from the album was the Ladies Night ~another night~ one and the version from the single was the regular one, the another night version is so much better than the original imo :(

i wish she would sing -another night- version someday... i love those arrangements...

Pieces_of_SEVEN 29th September 2013 08:03 AM

Tried to listen to it earlier this evening, and I definitely think the album version is better.

pimenta 29th September 2013 08:31 PM

A month for the release of the DVD/Blu-ray... When are they planning to show the covers?!

Zeke. 29th September 2013 08:43 PM

I like both the original album version and the alternate version of Ladies Night. But I too pine for the day when she performs ~Another Night~ live. She has done the original plenty times, I just know that the alternate version performed live would be EFFING EPIC! I could see it fitting extremely well into the rock portion of her concerts. I will never understand why she never has had the idea to do this!

Didz-19 29th September 2013 11:40 PM

Hey guys! I found this on the tracklist for the DVD/Bluray on For"A"ver Club!!

ayumi hamasaki ~A BEST LIVE~ DVD曲目確認:

収録内容
01.interlude
02.A Song for ××
03.Memorial address
04.Massive Trance Station
05.poker face
06.Fly high
07.HONEY
08.SHOW TIME
09.M
10.No way to say
11.You & Me
12.BLUE BIRD
13.innervisions
14.JEWEL
15.HEAVEN
16.ever free
17.Wake me up
18.Tell All
19.SURREAL ~ evolution ~ SURREAL
20.Voyage

[encore]
21.teddy bear
22.Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~
23.Boys & Girls
24.Who...

[double encore]
25.MY ALL

+特典映像(予定)

和大家解釋,9月18日發售的作品是[A BEST LIVE ~【CD】~]
只是音源而已,只是聽的,只有14首曲目。

而10月30日即將發售[A BEST LIVE ~【DVD】~]
收錄25首歌,估計會有特典映像。是有畫面的,就是今年的巡演DVD。
And explain, on sale from September 18 works is [a BEST LIVE~ "CD" ~] synths, listening, only 14 tracks. On October 30 on sale soon [a BEST LIVE~ "DVD" ~] contains 25 songs, it is estimated that there is special code image. There are pictures, is this year's tour DVD.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is this official?

kinix 29th September 2013 11:54 PM

http://www.avexnet.or.jp/ayu/jp/disc...VZD-92057.html
It's already confirmed. Nice to see double encore lol

Gustavopc 30th September 2013 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 3031008)
08.SHOW TIME
09.M

wat

ExodusUK 30th September 2013 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3031013)
wat

It's just a band jam thing, they've started naming the tour interludes/band jams on the DVD tracklistings since AT2010...

truehappiness 30th September 2013 01:15 AM

SAKURA got axed?

ayuuk 30th September 2013 01:17 AM

No SAKURA??

pimenta 30th September 2013 01:47 AM

SAKURA wasn't performed on the final date, so no SAKURA.

ayu-michan 30th September 2013 05:53 AM

Awww what a pity. But well I don't mind that much either. I want to know how the cover will look like! (probably choke if it's gonna be the same tell all picture)

Yoake 30th September 2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 3031008)
it is estimated that there is special code image. There are pictures, is this year's tour DVD.
?

What is it? Is there a bonus in addition to the photobook? :yconfused

truehappiness 30th September 2013 11:54 AM

Part of the 'bonuses' that weren't announced yet, I guess. Maybe a code for the Facebook to watch an unfeatured performance?

Yoake 30th September 2013 07:24 PM

^It would be cool, if it was that!

kaito_moonlove 30th September 2013 07:50 PM

After listening ABL CD ver many time, I love M and memorial address now . though the recording quality is low and her voice is strange, all is great !

marty 2nd October 2013 06:54 PM

I just can't wait for the covers!

Yuniz_hime 3rd October 2013 02:12 AM

Less than a month and we still don't get the cover. Woah..Can't wait for it

truehappiness 3rd October 2013 02:56 AM

I don't think we know what the bonuses are either!

Pieces_of_SEVEN 3rd October 2013 06:08 AM

weren't there some news reports that were posted, that had some clips from the final A BEST LIVE show? I can't find them anywhere...could someone please link me to them? I thought they were on youtube, but I'm having trouble finding them....


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