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KarenPang 9th November 2017 04:14 AM

namie amuro POP UP STORE docomo shop Marunouchi store

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOGJrNsUEAAAisw.jpg:small

https://twitter.com/TOWER_Events/sta...74387320123392

more namie amuro × SHIBUYA109 × TOWER RECORDS POP UP STORE pics



http://blog.livedoor.jp/tower_sale/a...068188101.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN_rdLCUEAAcenx.jpg:small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN_rdK9VQAAa79O.jpg:small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN_rdLDUMAE5zKL.jpg:small

https://twitter.com/SHIBUYA109NET/st...18958332911616

Surprised gachagcha are sold in the temporary pop up store (then again it's the easiest concert good to get sold out the fastest) . Heard they're more or less sold out already ? :O

Also this Finally poster is not available as a bonus giveaway (only the record shops have it , not part of the many different Finally poster designs giveaway) but yet it's going for sale on auction site at high prices :x

https://s1.postimg.org/45ku8x5slb/15...hqrpi16265.jpg

EndOfTheWorld 9th November 2017 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255368)

Those price tags.:dead2:laugh
I would be so overwhelmed if a big table of Namie Amuro stuff was sitting in front of me. I would pick up that live DVD of Genius 2000.:yes

prussian blue 9th November 2017 05:28 AM

I think it's a crime to shorten NEVER END

Surreal17 9th November 2017 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klauser_Bateson (Post 3255363)
Showtime sounds so much like a Kana Nishino b-side/album track to me that I started visualizing how the song would sound with Kana's voice. To be honest though, I think I'd like the song more if it was a Kana song.

Wow, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. It definitely sounds like a Kana song.

KarenPang 9th November 2017 06:34 AM

@ EndOfTheWorld - haha not really , I will go ballistic over the gachagacha as it's very easy to spend so much $ on them :dead2

I know that feeling all too well as I used to do that before at the concert venue & I was very tempted to spend more than the norm but luckily my friends stopped me xD

You just need to keep putting 500 Yen coins into the gachagacha machine non stop which can make you lose your mind , LOL

namie amuro x Docomo

1992 x 2000 x 2010 x 2017



https://twitter.com/NamieAmuroMusic/...73955844833286

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOKjpZ2UMAATxJi.jpg

https://twitter.com/TOWER_Sale/statu...84634295353344

That would make a great display if I have a big house with a big garden , LOL

freedreamer 9th November 2017 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klauser_Bateson (Post 3255363)
Showtime sounds so much like a Kana Nishino b-side/album track to me that I started visualizing how the song would sound with Kana's voice. To be honest though, I think I'd like the song more if it was a Kana song. As a Namie song, it's meh.

Funny how I thought Just You and I was very Kana too XD

KarenPang 9th November 2017 07:59 AM

Main Finally promo shot with colours



https://twitter.com/NamieAmuroMusic/...12356198465536

安室奈美恵 MUSIC VIDEO HISTORY Part 2

http://jpfiles.eu/2017/11/09/%e5%ae%...history-part2/

PVs aired in part 2

Spoiler:
1.ALARM
2.ALL FOR YOU
3.GIRL TALK
4.WANT ME, WANT ME
5.White Light
6.CAN’T SLEEP, CAN’T EAT, I’M SICK
7.Baby Don’t Cry
8.FUNKY TOWN
9.Hide & Seek
10.NEW LOOK (from「60s 70s 80s」)
11.ROCK STEADY (from「60s 70s 80s」)
12.WHAT A FEELING (from「60s 70s 80s」)
13.Do Me More
14.Sexy Girl
15.FAST CAR
16.LOVE GAME
17.WILD
18.The Meaning Of Us
19.Break It
20.Get Myself Back
21.Wonder Woman feat. AI & 土屋アンナ
22.make it happen feat. AFTERSCHOOL
23.NAKED
24.Tempest
25.Love Story
26.Showtime (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)
27.Do It For Love (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)
28.Finally (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)


安室奈美恵 MUSIC VIDEO HISTORY Part 3

http://jpfiles.eu/2017/11/09/%e5%ae%...history-part3/

PVs aired in part 3

Spoiler:
1.Go Round + YEAH-OH
2.In The Spotlight (TOKYO)
3.Hot Girls
4.Let’s Go
5.ONLY YOU
6.Damage
7.Big Boys Cry
8.Hands On Me
9.Heaven
10.Let Me Let You Go
11.Contrail
12.Ballerina
13.Neonlight Lipstick
14.TSUKI
15.SWEET 19 BLUES
16.BRIGHTER DAY
17.Birthday
18.Fashionista
19.Stranger
20.Anything
21.Red Carpet
22.Mint
23.Hero
24.Dear Diary
25.Fighter
26.Just You and I
27.Showtime (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)
28.Do It For Love (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)
29.Finally (from ALL TIME BEST ALBUM「Finally」)


Wonder why UNUSUAL PV wasn't aired in part 2 o_O

Baco__ 9th November 2017 10:13 AM

About some of you who are complaining the self reincarnated songs aren't better then the original ones: was ever the intention? I don't think so. This happens a lot when singers sing their own songs after a long time in New recordings/new mixes: people complaining that the original is still better. Relax, the original os still there, guys. If you didn't like, just don't listen to it *shrugs* (although I prefer this versions of new look, Dr. and break it hauehau) I really liked most of the new versions, even if they aren't as good to me as the originals, I'm happy we have these in new versions - ie rock steady and what a feeling

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 10:40 AM

^no one said thats the problem. i always stated I will probably stick to the original. The sad think is however, that the mastering is shit and she sounds bored in some songs. There just could have been more - they don't have to be better, but on the same level at least. Makeing sthe song worse (W ME W ME) should not be the desire.

CeReSu 9th November 2017 10:40 AM

This promo is amazing!! I was in Tokyo when Break it was released and I already thought all this promotion was awesome but now!!! I just want to be in Tokyo to see all of this and buy Namie's stuff!

KarenPang 9th November 2017 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255240)
Finally 1st day sales - 459,094

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5420128234?pn=36

lol the Baidu thread is going mental & that usually doesn't happen

2nd day sales - 222,295

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5422291607?pn=19

Total 2 day sales - 681,389

Finally 2 day sales has suppressed Best Fiction 1st week sales (681,000)

Maemi 9th November 2017 11:40 AM

^ wow! amazing!!

ShiraJemJem 9th November 2017 11:51 AM

I really love 'In Two' and 'Do It For Love'. The beat is so sick.

inspire_rmx 9th November 2017 11:57 AM

Amazing sales!! Praying for the first week sales to cross the million mark

Maemi 9th November 2017 12:01 PM

Namie Amuro, “The Madonna of Japan,” Is Retiring, But Her Style Influence Lives On

https://www.vogue.com/article/namie-...hion-week-muse

ShiniTakashi 9th November 2017 12:11 PM

Amazing! I can't see any reason it won't sell a million by the end of the week. Once the Saturday and Sunday sales bump comes in, she's totally going to. Only a little more than 300,000 copies left to go!

haraiso 9th November 2017 12:41 PM

http://www.billboard-japan.com/sp/d_news/detail/57270/2

Is Billboard saying her first day sales was actually 641,712?
They're using SoundScan data, which I guess includes sales that Oricon ignores?

KarenPang 9th November 2017 01:00 PM

namie amuro x docomo handphone wallpapers



https://twitter.com/NamieAmuroMusic/...18596359200768

inthezone 9th November 2017 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haraiso (Post 3255405)
http://www.billboard-japan.com/sp/d_news/detail/57270/2

Is Billboard saying her first day sales was actually 641,712?
They're using SoundScan data, which I guess includes sales that Oricon ignores?

Probably digital sales?

Cahz- 9th November 2017 01:02 PM

Is she already #1 on Oricon Yearly?

haraiso 9th November 2017 01:07 PM

^^

Her album isn't available digitally yet though. So I think those are actually her pure physical sales.

The other albums in that Top 5 only had a minor 1-2k difference than what Oricon reported for yesterday. But for Namie, that's a massive 200k that Oricon didn't count... :irked

But idk how SoundScan works so I'm not exactly sure why there's such a discrepancy between it and Oricon.

KarenPang 9th November 2017 03:01 PM

Outside 7/11

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOLwK_HUIAAWmPM.jpg:small

https://twitter.com/0920rion0331/sta...68556844806144

From latest Dec issue of FRAU magazine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOLSuPKUIAAuo22.jpg:small

https://twitter.com/BK_Finally/statu...36179233849344

:love

Also I read on Twitter that some users commented that the mohawk like hairstyle Namie had in In Two PV is quite similar to the 1 she had in the Do Me More PV , lol

hud 9th November 2017 03:12 PM

she kind of uses that hairstyle very often

Chibi-Chan 9th November 2017 03:36 PM

Does anyone else feel as if the album title actually says "FINALLY I can quit this shit"? :laugh

prussian blue 9th November 2017 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3255416)
Does anyone else feel as if the album title actually says "FINALLY I can quit this shit"? :laugh

Can you celebrate ~that I retire~ version

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3255416)
Does anyone else feel as if the album title actually says "FINALLY I can quit this shit"? :laugh

that joke is as old as the title...
It does not relate to the Finally lyrics...so no

Corvina 9th November 2017 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89 (Post 3255422)
that joke is as old as the title...
It does not relate to the Finally lyrics...so no

We already had that.
You can read it like that.

I love the sales!
I'm just sad she needed a big retirement annoucement to achieve them.

Maemi 9th November 2017 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3255423)
We already had that.
I'm just sad she needed a big retirement annoucement to achieve them.

Well, nobody is able to achieve those sales nowadays except perhaps AKB48 but they also use various tricks so... :D

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 04:53 PM

^you never know. There is no normal best of released by her. It could have been huge. Not as huge obviously but i kinda think BEST FICTION already showed what she could be capable of. That vogue article on the page before illustrates that very well.

Maemi 9th November 2017 04:58 PM

Yeah but Best Fiction was like... what, almost 10 years ago? Artists were selling better then obviously. I don't think it's sad that she managed these numbers because of her retirement. It means that people care.
I wonder if Ayu would manage the same hype though.

Cahz- 9th November 2017 05:04 PM

I think an All Time Best album by Ayu would sell like 30k in the first day.:( Namie has had 1 monster hit this decade (Love story) and many other hits like Hero, Mint, TSUKI, and so on; while Ayu's biggest hit this decade is progress, which was certified platinum.
By the way, people were telling this album price was cheap for containing 50+tracks? I think that was a very smart move.

Maemi 9th November 2017 05:38 PM

Yeah, Love Story was her last single that sold 100k+ :)

Cahz- 9th November 2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3255431)
Yeah, Love Story was her last single that sell 100k+ :)

Was it? :shakeheadI was referring to its digital performance, it spent like two years in Recochoku top ten:laugh

Maemi 9th November 2017 06:07 PM

Oh, ok xD

btw, the only new songs that I like are Showtime and Finally. The others are really meh. But I'm really enjoying the new recordings of her old songs, especially Disc 1 and Dr!

KarenPang 9th November 2017 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3255429)
By the way, people were telling this album price was cheap for containing 50+tracks? I think that was a very smart move.

Yup

Price comparison against Finally & KinKi Kids's upcoming 20th anniversary best album The BEST (with all songs remastered)

Finally

3 CDs - 3,780 Yen
3 CDs + DVD - 4,644 Yen
3 CDs + Blu-ray - 5,184 Yen

The BEST

3 CDs - 4,860 Yen
3 CDs + DVD - 7,452 Yen
3 CDs + Blu-ray - 7,992 Yen

So yes the price differences between both best albums is quite substantial

Also as what Corvina said , it's a bittersweet feeling that while it's great that Finally has sold so well in just 2 days , this has to happen in line with Namie's retirement announcement

It's the same thing when SMAP announced they were disbanding last year & when they released SMAP 25 YEARS last Dec , it sold extremely well . It's still charting on Oricon btw

The fact that both SMAP 25 YEARS & Finally releases have a 25 number connection , it's a bit ironic ?

Btw I'm converting all 12 PVs included in Finally's Blu-ray disc from .m2ts to .mp4 and ok Christmas Wish PV ain't so bad after watching it in much higher quality .mp4 mode , I'm just annoyed the VR version is way nicer & more festive driven :x

Corvina 9th November 2017 07:57 PM

Yeah, SMAP is another example.
They also had to retire to achieve such numbers.
It's just so sad for the Japanese market.

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 08:35 PM

^hu? I actually don't see whats your problem here exactly. Its quite natural for someone to sell so much because there are so many factors coming together in such an album. The market shifts...but Japanese physical sales still work quite well compared to the Korean physical sales. I guess everything is alright.

Gustavopc 9th November 2017 08:47 PM

I think she ment it's sad you have to announce you're retiring to get people to buy your stuff once again and while you were constantly putting out new things people just didn't bother. It's not sad the retiring bests sold well, but only them.

Corvina 9th November 2017 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3255454)
I think she ment it's sad you have to announce you're retiring to get people to buy your stuff once again and while you were constantly putting out new things people just didn't bother. It's not sad the retiring bests sold well, but only them.

That's exactly what I meant.

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 09:11 PM

^yeah, I got that and it is just not true. Namie was amongst the best selling female solo acts these last few years. Not only physically but also digitally.

That this album was going to have sales beyond the usual level was quite clear. If it was an original album it would probably be around 200 - 300 k and that would have been awesome.

Corvina 9th November 2017 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89 (Post 3255457)
^yeah, I got that and it is just not true. Namie was amongst the best selling female solo acts these last few years. Not only physically but also digitally.

That this album was going to have sales beyond the usual level was quite clear. If it was an original album it would probably be around 200 - 300 k and that would have been awesome.

Guess you still didn't understand?
It wasn't about Namie not being the best selling female solo the last years. It was a comment about the music market in general.
200-300 would be good for solos nowadays, yes.
But that's exactly the point.
The market is not interested in more, even for popular artists.
To achieve more, there has to happen something extraordinary like a retirement. And that's really sad for the market.
Cause at the same time the huge physical selling power we still had about 10 years ago just didn't shift to digital sales. Digital sales aren't that high in numbers as well. It got lost somehow.

melissalove 9th November 2017 09:33 PM

to sell more something major has to occur, but not for an artist whos been slaying the charts since best fiction which was when?? 2008. come on now.

wasnt namie's last hit HERO??

DevilsClap 9th November 2017 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowo (Post 3255415)
she kind of uses that hairstyle very often

I personally love this mohawk hairstyle on her :luv2

Cahz- 9th November 2017 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissalove (Post 3255459)
to sell more something major has to occur, but not for an artist whos been slaying the charts since best fiction which was when?? 2008. come on now.

The retirement announcement played a key factor on Finally's sales. This is the Recochoku weekly chart the week after the Facebook post:

1. Namie Amuro – Hero

2. Namie Amuro – CAN YOU CELEBRATE?

3. Namie Amuro – Love Story

4. Mr.Children – HANABI

5. AAA – LIFE

6. Masaharu Fukuyama – Seiiki

7. DAOKO x Yonezu Kenshi – Uchiage Hanabi

8. Nogizaka46 – Itsuka Dekiru Kara Kyou Dekiru

9. Namie Amuro – Don’t wanna cry

10. Utada Hikaru – Forevermore

melissalove 9th November 2017 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3255461)
The retirement announcement played a key factor on Finally's sales. This is the Recochoku weekly chart the week after the Facebook post:

1. Namie Amuro – Hero

2. Namie Amuro – CAN YOU CELEBRATE?

3. Namie Amuro – Love Story

4. Mr.Children – HANABI

5. AAA – LIFE

6. Masaharu Fukuyama – Seiiki

7. DAOKO x Yonezu Kenshi – Uchiage Hanabi

8. Nogizaka46 – Itsuka Dekiru Kara Kyou Dekiru

9. Namie Amuro – Don’t wanna cry

10. Utada Hikaru – Forevermore

It did play a big factor just like utada’s come back album. But they both can still sell decent without the hype. Just saying.

Cahz- 9th November 2017 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissalove (Post 3255462)
It did play a big factor just like utada’s come back album. But they both can still sell decent without the hype. Just saying.

Of course. No one denied that.

ExodusUK 9th November 2017 10:18 PM

They've obviously been planning and working on this for a while. You can't just re-record/re-arrange 39 songs in like 2 or 3 months with whatever else she has going on.

Darkifrit 9th November 2017 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissalove (Post 3255459)

wasnt namie's last hit HERO??

I do think Hero is at least as big as Love Story in general public's eyes.
Last year in Japan, the song was played everywhere even when Olympic games were finished.

ExodusUK 9th November 2017 10:31 PM

It's crazy how her sales took a -100k nosedive after Love Story. I think she did too much gay/drag queen music and it turned off the general public.

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 10:40 PM

I posted an essential Namie Amuro playlist some time ago containing all her signature songs:

1. TRY ME
2. Body Feels EXIT
3. SWEET 19 BLUES
4. CAN YOU CELEBRATE?
5. RESPECT THE POWER OF LOVE
6. NEVER END
(7. uh Uh...)
8. SO CRAZY
9. GIRL TALK
10. Baby Don't Cry
11. NEW LOOK
(12. WILD)
13. Love Story
14. Contrail
15. TSUKI
(16. Golden Touch)
17. Hero
18. Mint
19. Finally

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3255458)
Guess you still didn't understand?
It wasn't about Namie not being the best selling female solo the last years. It was a comment about the music market in general.
200-300 would be good for solos nowadays, yes.
But that's exactly the point.
The market is not interested in more, even for popular artists.
To achieve more, there has to happen something extraordinary like a retirement. And that's really sad for the market.
Cause at the same time the huge physical selling power we still had about 10 years ago just didn't shift to digital sales. Digital sales aren't that high in numbers as well. It got lost somehow.

I very well got that. It still does not make a change. What do you expect? A single to sell 7million again? that will never happen and it does not have to do with lost interest in solo acts. AKB48 sales do not reflect their general popularity or the interest in their sales - three out of four sold CDs are bought just for the collectors card. 300k is so much if you compare it to albums that sell world wide. It just still that amount in Japan and there is still a download market/illegal download market that is bigger as you think and that you do not take into account.
I actually don't know why I argue with you on that - I just don't think it is as bad as you make it to be. And moreover I think it is a great feat to achieve such an high number....regardless on the factors that surround it. _genic sold very well despite not having any single and her tours that got longer and longer reflect her popularity way more than her physical sales. Same goes for other acts like Kumi for example.

Baco__ 9th November 2017 10:40 PM

^wut

haraiso 9th November 2017 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3255468)
It's crazy how her sales took a -100k nosedive after Love Story. I think she did too much gay/drag queen music and it turned off the general public.

...what?? https://i.imgur.com/goEOrAc.png

Corvina 9th November 2017 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89 (Post 3255472)

I very well got that. It still does not make a change. What do you expect? A single to sell 7million again? that will never happen and it does not have to do with lost interest in solo acts. AKB48 sales do not reflect their general popularity or the interest in their sales - three out of four sold CDs are bought just for the collectors card. 300k is so much if you compare it to albums that sell world wide. It just still that amount in Japan and there is still a download market/illegal download market that is bigger as you think and that you do not take into account.
I actually don't know why I argue with you on that - I just don't think it is as bad as you make it to be. And moreover I think it is a great feat to achieve such an high number....regardless on the factors that surround it. _genic sold very well despite not having any single and her tours that got longer and longer reflect her popularity way more than her physical sales. Same goes for other acts like Kumi for example.

Yes, you clearly don't understand my point. :shrug
I didn't even bring AKB into account.
Yes, most people are downloading illegal (which is probably the reason the selling power got lost, I hinted at that exactly) and not interested in buying the stuff, even for the popular artists. They just seem to do that for special occasions. And that's very sad for the market.
Cause just think further, what will happen.

I never denied Namie isn't still famous and selling exceptional well.

thinkingoutloud89 9th November 2017 10:58 PM

^I got it. damn. i got two master degrees. believe me, i got it. I know you didn't bring it into account, but you have to measure it on something. if you don't wanna compare - fine. Than your point is that the music market is not existent in japan anymore or what? Yes, the sales aren't as high anymore but my point it is that they will never be and you probably have to stop to compare it to the past. It is not like all music will suddenly be gone. I don't see why you feel sad for a music market that still shifts so much music.

And I say it again. She had a fucking sold out tour with 88 dates and you call that: "oh, the general public lost all interest" - yeah, right... but oh well, believe in what you wanna believe. I'm happy as long as I get new music from my fav artist every now and then.

Corvina 9th November 2017 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89 (Post 3255477)
^I got it. damn. i got two master degrees. believe me, i got it. I know you didn't bring it into account, but you have to measure it on something. if you don't wanna compare - fine. Than your point is that the music market is not existent in japan anymore or what? Yes, the sales aren't as high anymore but my point it is that they will never be and you probably have to stop to compare it to the past. It is not like all music will suddenly be gone. I don't see why you feel sad for a music market that still shifts so much music.

And I say it again. She had a fucking sold out tour with 88 dates and you call that: "oh, the general public lost all interest" - yeah, right... but oh well, believe in what you wanna believe. I'm happy as long as I get new music from my fav artist every now and then.

No, I didn't say the music market is not existent anymore. You're just somehow reading it like that.
Well, and I didn't say the public lost all interest in Namie. Never did. Or in music. Just in how the maket currently works. For sales! Not tours or popularity
And what's best to compare than the own progression of a market? Why are the charts e.g. just partly a sign of what is popular e.g. (see AKB)?
Nobody can say, how it's going to be in the future. But it's interesting to note, how it is changing. Important to observe. And for me personally it's sad, how it is right now.
I don't understand, why you're so mad about it.
You clearly just feel different about it. I just don't want you to lay words in my mouth I never said.

Maemi 9th November 2017 11:15 PM

It's interesting to note that Japan still guards their music like crazy, and not just music, the same applies to dramas/anime etc. I mean, why is it still almost impossible to find full music videos of Jpop on Youtube? They still sell music videos while Korea stopped doing that. Korea shifted its focus to YT so their music videos have 100k million views and more. And their music is still more popular.

I think that reflects Japan's general view on copyright issue and how closed their country is. Not sure if it is a good thing though. Music is not selling as it used to.

Corvina 9th November 2017 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3255482)
It's interesting to note that Japan still guards their music like crazy, and not just music, the same applies to dramas/anime etc. I mean, why is it still almost impossible to find full music videos of Jpop on Youtube? They still sell music videos while Korea stopped doing that. Korea shifted its focus to YT so their music videos have 100k million views and more. And their music is still more popular.

I think that reflects Japan's general view on copyright issue and how closed their country is. Not sure if it is a good thing though. Music is not selling as it used to.

You're right and that's maybe the reaction to the obvious change of the market.
But I'm also not sure, how this is going.

Xianghua 10th November 2017 12:01 AM

I just love her dress and pose in the 2017 one :love

melissalove 10th November 2017 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3255454)
[B]I think she ment it's sad you have to announce you're retiring to get people to buy your stuff once again and while you were constantly putting out new things people just didn't bother. It's not sad the retiring bests sold well, but only them.



I’m sorry what?? Hero, mint and fighter did ok. How did people not buy her stuff, I don’t get it. I could get it if this were kumi or ayu but namie Nah.

hud 10th November 2017 12:13 AM

oh I did some textless versions of the phone wallpapers! it was so easy that they were almost asking for it :laugh


oaristos 10th November 2017 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissalove (Post 3255487)
I’m sorry what?? Hero, mint and fighter did ok. How did people not buy her stuff, I don’t get it. I could get it if this were kumi or ayu but namie Nah.

Exactly, they did "ok" and that's all. I think what people here are trying to say is that there needs to be an extraordinary event for an album to sell 600,000+ in two days, which is true. Namie is a very popular artist and her compilation would have sold pretty well regardless (see Ballada, for example), but it wouldn't have sold that much if it wasn't for her retirement.

Please, don't understand that as a way of diminishing Namie's achievement. She deserves all the success and sales in the world, but what we're trying to say is that it's sad these extraordinary sales only happen under extraordinary circumstances. Namie deserves to sell one million copies always. :yes

Xianghua 10th November 2017 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by snowo (Post 3255490)
oh I did some textless versions of the phone wallpapers! it was so easy that they were almost asking for it :laugh


Thank you :) I wanted to do that as well but I was far too lazy, haha

Not Fade Away 10th November 2017 01:04 AM

I had to drag my ass up from the grave to post on here after 3 years.

Anyway I see both sides of this recent argument, but I also want to add - as a friendly reminder - that the current discussion is accounting for physical units only. Namie is still selling like crazy digitally so for all we know she’s shifted over 2 million in digital downloads by now. It’s just impossible to tell because Oricon/Japanese markets don’t really report on that.

I mean from what I remember (off the top of my head so I could be wrong) - didn’t Utada’s flavor of life single sell somewhat okay physically but it hit like 7.8 million in digital sales? It’s just that a lot of people don’t want to wait for a physical CD to ship. I am one of those people. I purchased Fantome from ITunes.

Chibi-Chan 10th November 2017 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89 (Post 3255422)
that joke is as old as the title...
It does not relate to the Finally lyrics...so no

If this one was old, I'm sorry, but why don't just ignore it? I don't think I have to go through an entire thread to search for a simple joke so that people won't have to see the same joke twice. I just downloaded the album, had to laugh because of the title like I had to since I first saw it and made an old joke in a forum I used to laugh by myself and I didn't knew was old in said forum.

hud 10th November 2017 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Xianghua (Post 3255494)
Thank you :) I wanted to do that as well but I was far too lazy, haha

no problem!

Cahz- 10th November 2017 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Fade Away (Post 3255495)
Namie is still selling like crazy digitally so for all we know she’s shifted over 2 million in digital downloads by now.

Are you refering to Finally? I thought it wasn't available on digital plataforms?:yconfused

Miduhyo 10th November 2017 02:32 AM

I wonder what products what they use in her hair to make it look so good even though it's so freaking long. O.O I'd buy it. I'd buy all of it.

Btw - I love the picture for 2010 flashback for docomo. That was my favorite styling of hers.

SunshineSlayer 10th November 2017 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3255468)
It's crazy how her sales took a -100k nosedive after Love Story. I think she did too much gay/drag queen music and it turned off the general public.

What? Her popularity never took a nosedive. Love Story also sold waaaaay more than 100k. It sold over a million digitally. Hero was also a huge, huge mainstream hit.

ahtka-chan 10th November 2017 03:29 AM

I still don't understand the argument. I don't know how it is sad that albums don't sell 1 million units anymore. It's just how it is.

In the past, there wasn't illegal downloading, streaming platforms, digital music... Maybe they don't sell 500k in physical CDs anymore, but I'm sure her music reach a lot more people now than ten years ago. It's not sad.

KarenPang 10th November 2017 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3255445)
Yeah, SMAP is another example.
They also had to retire to achieve such numbers.
It's just so sad for the Japanese market.

Nope SMAP didn't retire , they disband . All 5 members are still active in the entertainment business , just that 3 of them left J&A after their contracts expired and form their own unit

~kashifaita~ 10th November 2017 04:44 AM

Daaaang they did such an awesome job with those docomo promo pics! I seriously thought that 1st picture really was of Namie back in 1992. The makeup and style are so on point! They really take me back.

KarenPang 10th November 2017 06:17 AM

Yesterday's ZIP! TV footages on namie amuro × SHIBUYA109 × TOWER RECORDS POP UP STORE

https://twitter.com/clubamrer0738/st...94686675001344

freedreamer 10th November 2017 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ~kashifaita~ (Post 3255509)
Daaaang they did such an awesome job with those docomo promo pics! I seriously thought that 1st picture really was of Namie back in 1992. The makeup and style are so on point! They really take me back.

o gosh...i thought it was a series she did since then HHAHAH

Corvina 10th November 2017 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255504)
Nope SMAP didn't retire , they disband . All 5 members are still active in the entertainment business , just that 3 of them left J&A after their contracts expired and form their own unit

Guess I should have used quotation marks. :laugh
SMAP "retired" as a boyband, they disbanded.

@Not Fade away
Utada's Flavour of Life sold much digitally - ten years ago
A song rarely goes million digitally nowadays and just a bunch double platinum.
And the highest album is around 150k digitally (Mr.Children's Best).
That's all the official info from WITHIN the Japanese market. Of course there is also sales overseas, that isn't counted. But I somehow think, if the numbers were that high overseas, the market surely would want to count them.

Ayu_desu 10th November 2017 08:24 AM

I have nothing but praise for her final album. I'm loving the first disc so much! I've tried to listen to her 90's in the past, but couldn't get into it because of her unstable and pitchy voice. Upon listening to her live renditions in the 2012 Dome Tour and Okinawa concert, I was thoroughly surprised at how good the songs were with her current voice: therefore, I am SO glad she resang her classics. The album didn't just give me 6 new songs, it gave me a whole disc of revamped classics to obsess about!

On another note, I got teary and sentimental when CYC started playing. Ballada's version was good, but I found Hakase's violin part too distracting. Finally's version is just, precious.

Ugh, Finally the song is just beautiful. I love listening to her soft, tender voice in the beginning transitioning to her usual strong vocals and then suitably ending "finally I can stop dreaming" in the same soft voice. It's just so genuine and rare from her. :'(

Lastly, I'm going to miss Namie's music and also her beauty. I admit that I'm drawn to her youthful photogenic face, good taste in fashion, and sexy dance moves. I know that some of you find her Finally PV is boring and lazy, but I think it's so beautifully minimalistic and I don't think I will ever get bored of admiring Namie's face (be it the dead look or not :laugh).

freedreamer 10th November 2017 09:04 AM

When is she announcing her tour dates omg...COME ON NAMIE!!!

!Lawi! 10th November 2017 10:43 AM

Sorry if there's already been an announcement that I missed, but are we expecting another new album by the end of her career?

I'm not a hardcore fan but I overplayed P<F, FEEL and _genic, and I'd love a few new songs by her before it's over!

KarenPang 10th November 2017 11:07 AM

Finally

1st day sales - 459,094
2nd day sales - 222,295
3rd day sales - 126,753

Total 3 day sales - 808,142

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5424661965?pn=9

thinkingoutloud89 10th November 2017 11:30 AM

^^we don't know...but we expect none
^great, i expected a bit less

Is someone good at making albums with a flow? i want all the singles/b-sides/new tracks since TSUKI in one album. i know its a hard take since there are 22 songs, but I came up with:

01. Showtime
02. MINT
03. Neonlight Lipstick
04. Ballerina
05. In two
06. Black make Up
07. Fighter
08. Hero
09. Just You and I
10. BRIGHTER DAY
11. Red Carpet
12. chit Chat
13. Strike a Pose
14. SWEET KISSES
15. Show me What you've got
16. Do it for Love
17. How do you feel now?
18. Dear diary
19. Still lovin you
20. Hope
21. TSUKI
22. Finally

Though I feel like Mint would be a better opener.

JackieRos 10th November 2017 11:58 AM

Namie most often did better in sales than any other artists even way before her retirement announcement. Are people really mad that she almost achieved 1 million sales in a few days? As fans I think we should be happy that she’s doing well.

People always like to diminish artists achievements, it’s always something with you people.

Baco__ 10th November 2017 12:00 PM

Wow, impressing numbers

ShiniTakashi 10th November 2017 12:13 PM

Glad to see how well she's doing. I was going to ask if Oricon includes digital numbers as well, but then realized the album isn't even out digitally yet.

KarenPang 10th November 2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by !Lawi! (Post 3255530)
Sorry if there's already been an announcement that I missed, but are we expecting another new album by the end of her career?

I will be surprised if she released a studio album before she retire . If not , then Finally will officially be Namie's last release

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Originally Posted by Minerva (Post 3255534)
Namie most often did better in sales than any other artists even way before her retirement announcement. Are people really mad that she almost achieved 1 million sales in a few days? As fans I think we should be happy that she’s doing well.

People always like to diminish artists achievements, it’s always something with you people.

Haters are always gonna hate and pick on anyone on anything everything , it's a vicious cycle

I honestly cannot understand what good they get in doing this and it's a very childish way of thinking at the end of the day

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Originally Posted by ShiniTakashi (Post 3255537)
Glad to see how well she's doing. I was going to ask if Oricon includes digital numbers as well, but then realized the album isn't even out digitally yet.

Yeah I didn't see Finally listed on iTunes Japan & Recochoku

Gustavopc 10th November 2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Minerva (Post 3255534)
Namie most often did better in sales than any other artists even way before her retirement announcement. Are people really mad that she almost achieved 1 million sales in a few days? As fans I think we should be happy that she’s doing well.

People always like to diminish artists achievements, it’s always something with you people.

I'll just quote oaristos cause he already answered this:

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Originally Posted by oaristos (Post 3255493)
Exactly, they did "ok" and that's all. I think what people here are trying to say is that there needs to be an extraordinary event for an album to sell 600,000+ in two days, which is true. Namie is a very popular artist and her compilation would have sold pretty well regardless (see Ballada, for example), but it wouldn't have sold that much if it wasn't for her retirement.

Please, don't understand that as a way of diminishing Namie's achievement. She deserves all the success and sales in the world, but what we're trying to say is that it's sad these extraordinary sales only happen under extraordinary circumstances. Namie deserves to sell one million copies always. :yes

Yeah, we ARE happy she is selling well and that IS a big achievement. We're just sad over how people don't usually care about artists (no matter if they're doing well or not) until they die or retire or somehting like that. For example MJ who was a constant joke in his last years but after he died people realised how great of an artist he was.

It's like a song by a Brazilian singer that says "don't wait for me to be gone / to realize how much you love me". The point is "we should love our artists, whether they're active and alive and well or not", the point IS NOT "she had to retire to get great numbers".

I really can't believe you guys are thinking Corvina is coming for namie's wig, seriously.

KPL 10th November 2017 12:53 PM

Namie herself is fantastic, and she has really good and smart management / marketing team as well. The fact that the digital versions are not available may have a correlation with extraordinary high physical sales. ( now compare this strategy with Made in Japan, which was availble for streaming a month before physical release lol)

Corvina 10th November 2017 01:13 PM

Haha, thank you, gustavopc (and also oaristos btw).
Imo what I wanted to say was pretty clear.
I mean, really, I wasn't diminishing anybody, on the contrary. If all , I'm mad about people buying Namie's last album now in masses, but what about before? The numbers clearly show, she was damn popular before, so why are people just buying now? (exaggerating now of course, to make the point, don't take my words literally!)
Gonna repeat myself, it says a lot about the state of the market and to me, looking at all of the statistics and numbers of physical and digital sales, it still is kind of a bummer, where all the selling power went in the last ten years.

JackieRos 10th November 2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255542)
Haters are always gonna hate and pick on anyone on anything everything , it's a vicious cycle

I honestly cannot understand what good they get in doing this and it's a very childish way of thinking at the end of the day

Exactly, what I hate the most is that they always have to compare artists to other artists in a negative way, “oh this one doesn’t count because she doesn’t write her own lyrics” “oh so and so are doing much better in sales than hers” “oh this one is just a product with no passion for her music” it’s always something.

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Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3255543)
Yeah, we ARE happy she is selling well and that IS a big achievement. We're just sad over how people don't usually care about artists (no matter if they're doing well or not) until they die or retire or somehting like that. For example MJ who was a constant joke in his last years but after he died people realised how great of an artist he was.

I really can't believe you guys are thinking Corvina is coming for namie's wig, seriously.

I understand that but I’m seeing a lot of comments saying it in a negative way, that she’s only getting close to a million just because she’s retiring and that she doesn’t get higher sales when it’s a normal release.

I don’t think anyone was going after them.

ahtka-chan 10th November 2017 01:24 PM

I really think everybody understood what Corvina said, it's just that not everyone agreed with her opinion. My only problem with the original post is when she said that "selling a lot only on special occasions is a sad thing" (for the industry or the artist, whatever).

Imo, it isn't sad or bad. I think it's normal and that's the way the industry is right now.

I don't think the industry was better in the past just because of those huge numbers of sales. The industry is much better now, if not for the labels but for the fans. Music is much more democratic and easier to approach.

In a world where I can buy only the songs I like (or even download illegally) why would we still have a need for huge sales? Why does it matter?

Utada herself said she doesn't care if her fans reach her music ilegally, as long as they listen to what she created. I think that's how as an artist you'd feel. Of course people need to support you, but being in touch with your art isn't just as important?

Corvina 10th November 2017 01:29 PM

Hm, the thing is with the Japanese market, that it more looks like stuff is harder to get than before. Not more approachable. Which is one reason why I feel it's sad.
There's more, but this is probably not the right place to discuss after all.

thinkingoutloud89 10th November 2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3255543)
I'll just quote oaristos cause he already answered this:



Yeah, we ARE happy she is selling well and that IS a big achievement. We're just sad over how people don't usually care about artists (no matter if they're doing well or not) until they die or retire or somehting like that. For example MJ who was a constant joke in his last years but after he died people realised how great of an artist he was.

It's like a song by a Brazilian singer that says "don't wait for me to be gone / to realize how much you love me". The point is "we should love our artists, whether they're active and alive and well or not", the point IS NOT "she had to retire to get great numbers".

I really can't believe you guys are thinking Corvina is coming for namie's wig, seriously.


Again, this is JUST NOT TRUE. Yeah, he was a public joke because well he did a looot of crazy things, but he was still known by the title King of Pop and everyone who did music gave him credit. You are simplifying a lot here...just like some others.

edit: Corvina, I thought you started listening to J-Pop way before I started. Stuff was so hard to get, new artist so hard to find in 2005. It became soo much easier and there is not a single song regardless of how old or new, I can´t find. Again, I think it is weird how you see things and I do think you putting much too much nostalgia into it, but if you feel like that, its okay. Its not a personal attack, I just disagree. The market has become much better and the quality of the music too.

KarenPang 10th November 2017 01:37 PM

I myself don't think Corvina was trying to put down Namie either cos I know that's not her character

When English is not your 1st language , sometimes what you write online , others might misunderstood that what you wanted to say ain't negative but based on what you wrote , others might perceive it otherwise

Years ago back when ayaka announced her sudden departure from the music business due to health problems (as at that time there was no telling if she would be back or not) , ayaka's History 2006 - 2009 also sold a lot so it's not just Namie

And yeah so what Namie doesn't write & compose her own music ? She made up these 2 aspects with other things , like being business savy

I do think that if Namie wasn't a singer , she would do well in marketing as the way she has marketed/promoted her releases over the last few years has worked really well in her favour

And I also feel that for those who casually supports/listens to Namie & never buy bother any of her releases until Finally (and now ALARM) , you have the last 25 years to discover her music & now with this , isn't it a bit ironic ?

thinkingoutloud89 10th November 2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255553)
I myself don't think Corvina was trying to put down Namie either cos I know that's not her character

Just speaking for myself, I didn't get it like that. I just disagreed with the overall feeling, as I said. She never attacked Namie and I don't think why people read it like that.

Corvina 10th November 2017 01:52 PM

Well, my original statement were just 2 sentences.
I've never intented to say more, lol.

RealLight 10th November 2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255531)
Finally

1st day sales - 459,094
2nd day sales - 222,295
3rd day sales - 126,753

Total 3 day sales - 808,142

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5424661965?pn=9

I'm living for those numbers.

Maemi 10th November 2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3255553)
I do think that if Namie wasn't a singer , she would do well in marketing as the way she has marketed/promoted her releases over the last few years has worked really well in her favour?

I'm sure she has a marketing team that does all that stuff for her. She probably has a say in what she wants and doesn't want to do, but most of the promotion and marketing is done by her team. I always laugh when I see those Facebook updates because it is obvious she is not the one who writes them :D

New thread: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...63#post3255563

Gustavopc 14th November 2017 08:42 PM

docomo CM



I'm OBSESSED with this CM, the 90s scene is ON POINT o__o Namielease make a 90s00s10s single with docomo like the 60s70s80s was a collab with Vidal Sasson

Maemi 14th November 2017 09:09 PM

^ we already have a new thread, plz transfer your comment there: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...=123860&page=9


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