Originally Posted by cttncandy (Post 1281381)

I am looking at JBook right now and Guilty is holding #1 and #8 positions. Actually higher than before, where did you guys read that #11 from???

In like that one second i posted it went down to #9...

Originally Posted by henrydawg87 (Post 1281619)

Maybe if we all bought a copy of GUILTY instead of just downloading it, we wouldn't be worried at all about this discussion...

Originally Posted by henrydawg87 (Post 1281619)

Maybe if we all bought a copy of GUILTY instead of just downloading it, we wouldn't be worried at all about this discussion...

Originally Posted by henrydawg87 (Post 1281619)

Maybe if we all bought a copy of GUILTY instead of just downloading it, we wouldn't be worried at all about this discussion...

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1280830)

^It's pretty much a sample of the Oricon chart. 12/30 as of midnight Japan time:

01 "GUILTY" (+DVD) - Hamasaki Ayumi
02 "5296" (+DVD) - Kobukuro
03 "5296" - Kobukuro
04 "EXILE LOVE" (+2DVD) - EXILE
05 "orbital period" - BUMP OF CHICKEN
06 "VOCALIST 3" - Tokunaga Hideaki
07 "AND I LOVE YOU" - DREAMS COME TRUE
08 "EXILE LOVE" - EXILE
09 "GUILTY" - Hamasaki Ayumi
10 "Jiko Best 2" - Oda Kazumasa

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1281688)

thats not good..
hmm kobukuro in 2nd and 3rd..
and ayu 1st and 9th..

1+9 cant beat 2+3

Originally Posted by cttncandy (Post 1281762)

Just checked and Guilty is back to holding the #1 and #8 spots. It went up two spots =D

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1281770)

how about kobukuro??
are they still in 2nd and 3rd??

Originally Posted by somethinglost (Post 1281801)

... so stop assuming things...

Originally Posted by cttncandy (Post 1281790)

yes they are :( and GUILTY (CD Only) is back to 9

Originally Posted by Amuro_Ray (Post 1275747)

if someone still do not buy this album, pls try to book it in this week. I think it is only thing we can do in this moment.

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1282174)

Everything will come out next Monday (the 7th).

Originally Posted by Peger (Post 1282303)

We might find out the first week sales on Thursday thanks to the UWC.

Originally Posted by Ayufan11 (Post 1282301)

lol , you guys are so funny. its not that serious

Originally Posted by MemorialAddress08 (Post 1282342)

LOL I know right, not like our one purchase will change Ayu fate in the Oricon rankings :laugh

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1282133)

But we won't know the sales and position of this week. o_o Just like we don't know how much (miss)understood sold in it's first week. :O

Originally Posted by minkAYuko (Post 1282739)

So is this her current sale?
指数 18391

closer to 200?

I never get oricon...

Originally Posted by riozz (Post 1282751)

that current is 3rd day sales...28 december..
so we must wait..until 7 jan no more update

Originally Posted by HJeweL (Post 1282460)

Oh, that means oricon will show the sales figure of 1.1.2008 only but not the past few days' sales?

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1283060)

Um, I'm not sure how many daily indicators they'll show, but as ayu_fan929 said, we should get the 2-week total on January 7.



And to everyone who said sales don't matter - how many of you would have started listening to Ayumi if it wasn't for her huge sales? D:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1283115)

I think you got ayu mixed with kuu on that one :x her sales are more attractive - threfore more fans :laugh

Originally Posted by Foxxy_Fuyumi (Post 1283077)

Officially the album is out 1.1.2008 right?
But is in stores since 25th. But the oricon will count already the week since 25th, or will count since January 1st?

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1283115)

I think you got ayu mixed with kuu on that one :x her sales are more attractive - threfore more fans :laugh

Originally Posted by Zemus (Post 1282324)

No, because they take their data from Oricon.

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1283153)

but it's not like I'm the only one who was drawn in by her achievements.

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1283153)

Since the 25th.



Um, not really. I was checking out her Wikipedia article and when I saw that she had sold, like, 45 million+, I thought, "HEY! If she's sold that much, she must be good! :O". Sure, some people found her through their siblings or from Inuyasha or something, but it's not like I'm the only one who was drawn in by her achievements.

Originally Posted by Beyond the Sea (Post 1282333)

She got the number #1 spot, who cares how much it sells?

Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1283211)

We don't even know if she's #1 or not yet.

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1283060)

Um, I'm not sure how many daily indicators they'll show, but as ayu_fan929 said, we should get the 2-week total on January 7.



And to everyone who said sales don't matter - how many of you would have started listening to Ayumi if it wasn't for her huge sales? D:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1283115)

I think you got ayu mixed with kuu on that one :x her sales are more attractive - threfore more fans :laugh

I'm almost completely sure GUILTY will be #1, letting ayu break another record?

Originally Posted by Zemus (Post 1283208)

I didn't know anything about Ayu either. For me it started when I was in army. Some dude played "Cyber TRANCE presents ayu-trance" album :D Sounded awesome and it started from there. :)

Originally Posted by Peger (Post 1283443)

Why do people always start hating on Kuu when Ayu's sales go down?

Originally Posted by Peger (Post 1283457)

Except her sexy songs don't sell well - her cutesy songs & ballads do.

Originally Posted by criminal

OMG. The army... in a European country. That's, like, the most unlikely place you could ever hear Ayumi. LOL Amazing.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1275939)

I hope you're right!

Can I just say, the OMG PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS COMING OUT ON NEW YEARS DAY theory, is bull.
People in Japan, KNOW how the release system works. Even people in different countries online, who have never been to Japan knew it would come out with all the December 26th releases, which meant it will be in stores on Xmas day, as they get released a day earlier than the official date.

Christmas day is not a national holiday, all the shops are open. Even if some people have a special meal, it does not stop them going out and shopping.

I don't know why people are so surprised by the first day sales. She only released 2 singles, the combined total of which was what, 260k? just a little over? That's absurd for Ayu standards. If her singles don't sell, her album won't either.

And the reason I believe she won't get the weekly #1, is because Ayumi is extremely front-loaded. After her first week, her sales plummet. If it was just one week, she might just get it, but as it's 2 weeks, EXILE and kobokuru have a significant chance to overtake. Not only do they have the extra days advantage over GUILTY, they are also more consistent sales. EXILE's old albums have all risen up in the charts due to their surge in popularity lately, and need I remind anyone about the beast that is ALL SINGLES BEST?

Originally Posted by cttncandy (Post 1276393)

If Ayu is happy with this album (which I know she is from what she has said in interviews) then I am happy as well. But the fact is that this album is not very commercial if you know what I mean. I am not expecting high sales or longevity in the charts. Sorry guys, but we have to be realistic! =(

Originally Posted by ayu DIOR (Post 1276413)

I hope her #1 streak doesn't go down. I mean Mariah Carey still gets #1s and she's been around since the 1990s. She has 17 I think right?

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1279297)

I guess one of the main reasons is because Japan still has pretty good sales + high prices, so why bother?

Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1283454)

Sex doesn't even sell.

Originally Posted by Peger (Post 1283457)

Except her sexy songs don't sell well - her cutesy songs & ballads do.

Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 1284102)

I just feel the need to point out something: just because Ayu say she is totally satisfied with her album and think it's her best one, doesn't mean she really feels that way. Geez, she's PROMOTING the album, that's what she is SUPPOSED to say, what every single artist is supposed to say. It's not like she's going to admit it she find the album *****ty compared to her last one or something....

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1284129)

ayu said she liked the album not that it's her best, and I think she said the truth or it would sound crappy, which is really far from it.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1284137)

Yeah but common sense says that naturally she wouldn't make an album she won't like

Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 1284138)

Not really. She ALWAYS release an album a year and sometimes it's not possible to do something you're 100% satisfied in such a short period. I mean, lots and lots of the (m)u songs were covers, etc.

Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 1284135)

One thing: everyone who bought the album and isn't in Japan, your order WON'T COUNT on the Oricon charts. Oricon only tracks sales in Japan which means you have to buy a copy in Japan or have your album delivered by some online store to an address in Japan. You'll be helping Ayu, of course, but not her position in Oricon.

Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 1284142)

I think someone has emailed cdjapan a long time ago, and yes the sales from cdjapan do count to the oricon chart.

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1284140)

ayu said she likes that sweetbox album so she took some compositions, they don't count as covers 'cause the lyrics were written by ayu, and the reason ayu took the compositions it's because she liked them.

Originally Posted by andre2907 (Post 1284147)

I still don't believe they do. I mean, they CAN count IF your delivering address is in Japan but the WHOLE point of Oricon is to track sales IN Japan. Like Billboard only tracks sales in the US, even if sites like Amazon sell to other countries.


I guess what people do not realize is that Ayu is a human being not perfect. I do not think she can produce an album she think it's perfect every year, but it's what AVEX expects of her, it's probably a contractual obligation. One year is a very short time to produce, believe it or not.

Originally Posted by criminal (Post 1284121)

I was being sarcastic. D:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 1284137)

Yeah but common sense says that naturally she wouldn't make an album she won't like... She might not like this one the best but definitly she likes/liked them all when she did them.

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1284192)

:roflmao (:laugh :laugh :laugh)

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. Hikki is releasing two albums next year. She hasn't done that since 2004. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1284192)

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. Hikki is releasing two albums next year. She hasn't done that since 2004. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1284192)

Why don't you tell that to Hikki, BoA, and Kumiko. BoA and Kumiko released a BEST album and studio album all in one year.