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Raleigh 9th September 2008 01:36 AM

Not surprised to see Erika top the list again. She pretty much seems to make an effort to get people to hate her.

jbrat2219 9th September 2008 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarAngel (Post 1622163)
This is all a personal opinion. Some parts of the documentary of AT07 and CDL07-08 was supposed to show how serious ayu was in putting forward the best concert for her fans at the expense of her dancers and i feel it portrays her in a somewhat negative light. It made her look picky and inconsiderate (i know she teared when addressing the dancers but that aside...). I hope i never treat my subordinates like that. Maybe you could put it down to an asian mentality i guess, being more direct with criticisms and stuff but choreography and stage direction is not her area of specialization. Sometimes, i also feel that her team has no choice but to obey her. They are team AYU after all...
All in all, i rather those parts be left out of the documentary. Why are you airing your behind the scenes linen in it? I prefer past documentaries where they had more random shots but structured in a more comprehensible way.

Do you mean the tissue thing? I thought she decided to cancel that because they hadn't had enough practice. And they got to do it at CDL 07-08 like she promised.... I don't really see that as being controlling rather than just looking out for them. What if the girls FELL? That's a pretty dangerous routine.

But if you mean something else, maybe I missed it. My vocal Japanese skills are almost non-existent so I don't know much outside of the chinese-english translation someone posted.

Did something else happen?

v3lun420 9th September 2008 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nagamori_etsuya (Post 1617903)
haha
at least erika sawajiri and koda are first!

lol

oh yeah

i think they hate erika bcose she is such a B_tch!
and koda bcose she is a SLU_!

and i think they hate AYU because they are jealous!!

;)

^ I can't agree more

panda87 9th September 2008 02:27 AM

funny, haha. but maybe they hate ayu b/c they think she's so abnormally gorgeous that she's probably plastic... probably out of jealousy. also, maybe b/c of her voice that isn't appealing to some.

now, i understand the rest. as for koda kumi? yeeeah maybe b/c she was a bit *****y that seemed self-degrading and disgraceful to the honorable Japanese... and also b/c of her scratchy voice... which i think is hot.

♥ you! 9th September 2008 02:36 AM

Oh I forgot Kuu is dating Nakai from SMAP. That probably pissed off a lot of SMAP fangirls = kumi hate

jbrat2219 9th September 2008 03:58 AM

^ Woah! I had no idea she was seeing someone! *looks him up*

SolarAngel 9th September 2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1622630)
Do you mean the tissue thing? I thought she decided to cancel that because they hadn't had enough practice. And they got to do it at CDL 07-08 like she promised.... I don't really see that as being controlling rather than just looking out for them. What if the girls FELL? That's a pretty dangerous routine.

But if you mean something else, maybe I missed it. My vocal Japanese skills are almost non-existent so I don't know much outside of the chinese-english translation someone posted.

Did something else happen?

I bought the VCD version with fan ti chinese flashing across the screen so hope i'm not misreading anything. She didn't want chisa and midorin to perform the tissue thing because using my translation "if i were the audience, i would expect it to be done by professionals" so however you want to interpret that. My issue is not really with the tissue performance. More like how she wants to change dance routines last minute (for 1 Love), music sequences (glitter)... I don't know i'm just not so happy with it. I've been on the receiving end of pedantic stage directors before so i sort of know how the dancers may feel sometimes. But maybe they take it better than i would? I love her concerts but i wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of her critical eye.

jbrat2219 9th September 2008 06:50 PM

Oh I understand what you mean, I guess you would have to have been in their shoes to get a better idea of what they're going through. Me having never been on a stage in my life, I don't see it as anymore than her having control over her own show. Sure she's not an experienced stage director or whatever, but if that's how she wants it, that's how it's done. I think the way someone translated it was, "If I were the audience, I would think they were professionals (because they practiced so hard)." It's possible I read it wrong. At any case, it seemed to me she wanted them to have more practice.

I think it's a nice balance about it though. I think they take it well cause she's not YELLING at them or telling them they're incompetent. I mean if I were to work for someone who made a lot of last minute changes or cancelled things a lot. I would want them to handle it the way Ayu does. She doesn't seem rude about it, I think she really wants to bring the best out of them in a way. That's how I look at it anyway. And it seems they're doing the tissue routine a lot since that time, ne? :)

See this is what I read:

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Narrator : The dancer is recording their “tissue” performance for Ayu.
Chisa : I hope she can see us doing these stuff… if she saw us and gave us advice, I think it will be much better.
Ayu : If I were the audience, I would say they are professional.
Staff : Let’s do some “open-minded” meeting.
Peco : I can't wait to say it, I want to say “cancel the “tissue” and replaced by the ring -I don’t know how to translate it!)performance”(
Staff : We can perform the “tissue” next year.
Peco : The next Countdown LIVE must have this performance, and therefore you girls have more time to practice it. I’m so sorry to say this.
Chisa : Don’t say it like that. I’m fine
Do you think they translated differently for the VCD version? Cause I got the Hong Kong version.

SolarAngel 10th September 2008 04:15 AM

Yeah at least she's nice about the changes she wants to make. As ayu says, so it shall be. Mine's the hk VCD so i think the chinese should be the same, just that on DVD it's on a sheet of paper so it's easier to refer to and do a translation. Actually i read the translation already (to get a more comprehensive feel of the MC section and documentary haha, cos my chinese is not so good which is quite shameful since i had chinese education through 11 grades). After reading it, i watched CDL07-08 again (not because i wanted to check though, just really liked the concert) and paused at that segment to properly read the chinese. I sort of disagree with the translation provided above. I get the impression it's more like "would the audience think this is done by professionals" rather than "this is done by professionals". But then again, i'm sure ayu's staff are not spineless. I'm sure they know how to stand up to her if her suggestions aren't so feasible :)

Celaphorce 10th September 2008 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nagamori_etsuya (Post 1617903)
haha
at least erika sawajiri and koda are first!

lol

oh yeah

i think they hate erika bcose she is such a B_tch!
and koda bcose she is a SLU_!

and i think they hate AYU because they are jealous!!

;)

I don't think what you stated about Kuu is true, I think people are only hating on her because of her statement earlier on this year, which is understandable.

AyuGAME 10th September 2008 04:23 AM

its normal i think

jbrat2219 10th September 2008 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarAngel (Post 1623816)
Yeah at least she's nice about the changes she wants to make. As ayu says, so it shall be. Mine's the hk VCD so i think the chinese should be the same, just that on DVD it's on a sheet of paper so it's easier to refer to and do a translation. Actually i read the translation already (to get a more comprehensive feel of the MC section and documentary haha, cos my chinese is not so good which is quite shameful since i had chinese education through 11 grades). After reading it, i watched CDL07-08 again (not because i wanted to check though, just really liked the concert) and paused at that segment to properly read the chinese. I sort of disagree with the translation provided above. I get the impression it's more like "would the audience think this is done by professionals" rather than "this is done by professionals". But then again, i'm sure ayu's staff are not spineless. I'm sure they know how to stand up to her if her suggestions aren't so feasible :)

Oh okay I see! I don't know ANY chinese other than greetings and maybe a few words that match in Japanese so I have to rely on the translations of others xD; I'll try to re-watch that part to see if I can catch it in Japanese, but I believe you for the most part. At any rate, I don't think Ayu deserves to be on the list for that haha

ArchangelLegend 10th September 2008 05:46 AM

I hate Ayu because she'll never be my girlfriend.

Alessia_Tateno 10th September 2008 05:58 AM

What are you all saying? If they hate Koda it's because she is a b**** and if they hate Ayu it's because they are jealous? Face it, you can't pretend that Ayu is loved by everyone, there are a lot of people who dislike her and aren't jelous of her...same of Koda, Waka, Erika etc etc etc

I myself don't like a lot of artists and I am not jealous of them at ALL XD

PS = I think Wada Akiko is there because of her personality...she always get drunk and gives trouble to younger artists XD

About the fact "the more you are popular, the more you are hated"..well it can be true, and it cannot...I've never seen Namie in this list O.O Never! Maybe I missed some year's list but I really don't remember to have seen her name in those list XD

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1618295)
They could also hate her for baring her body so many times when there's nothing to really see.. (weight loss thing, her new album, etc..)

I personally think this list is just a bunch of bull made by some wota-blog. Sure, Ayu is hated by people in Japan generally, but I think with popularity comes a lot of haters. Especially if you've been out for a long time. I sorta wonder what people say about Yumi Matsutoya or Seiko Matsuda.

Many people dislike Seiko as a person..."because she is not a good person"..."she is a *****" (she has been more men than anyone else I know) and "Akina was going to die because of her!"

I don't hate Seiko, but I dislike her as a person for what she did...musically speaking I admire and love her songs so much!

Ani_C 10th September 2008 06:14 AM

Not surprised, she's getting 'old' after all. *sigh* It's hard to appreciate music when it comes to so many other factors that don't include the actual music so much.

edit: LMAO at the Kuu comments, what involvement does she have at all with Ayu? Honestly, comparing artists that are obviously different is just whack. Unless they're doing the exact SAME styles (meaning they sound so alike it's stupid ._. ) it's pointless.

Alessia_Tateno 10th September 2008 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nagamori_etsuya (Post 1618748)
I think you are right

I got japanese friends too and they think the same things about ayu lol

they dont even want to know anything about her really... when i talk to them about ayu they tell me to stop lol




"AYU is just an AVEX product to fight high sales of utada hikaru"
"AYU is only half human, her teeth are porcelain and all her face is fake"
"AYU is old and deaf, nobody cares about her anymore"
"we feel sorry for her, we miss the young and full of live AYU! who made us sing along and listen to her all the time"
"AYU, plus other artists like utada, namie, ami suzuki are too old!! we like new bands!!"


THATS WHAT JAPANESE TEENS THINK ABOUT AYU!!

and i think most of them are true... U.U


maybe thats why she heading out of the country??
japan doesnt like her as bfore...

I also think some of those sentences are true =P

Richieooxx 10th September 2008 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 1618149)
at least pple hate ayu not as much as Erika and Koda.

Koda is just a plain SLU_ that isnt pretty.

I wonder why pple hate Erika so much though.. anyone care to enlighten me?


because you know the total number of people Koda Kumi slept with?

It's kinda funny how half of the people who call her a **** are the one's that complain when she tonned down her image. :grumpy

Glamorous_Sky 10th September 2008 08:57 AM

LOL@abiru yuu. apparently going out w/yamapi didn't help her career after all, eh? ah well. there's just as many people who still love ayu as there are that hate her.

jbrat2219 10th September 2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunday ♥ (Post 1623939)
because you know the total number of people Koda Kumi slept with?

It's kinda funny how half of the people who call her a **** are the one's that complain when she tonned down her image. :grumpy

Half the people who call her a s*ut like her s*utty songs LOL.

SolarAngel 10th September 2008 05:37 PM

^Yeah ayu doesn't deserve to be on that list. In fact it's a pretty crappy list. What's the point of ranking the singers you hate (and why are they all female). If you like the singer you can do tons for them like buying their stuff and spreading the love. If you hate them, there's nothing you can do to drag down the oricon numbers short of hacking in. And it's not like their fans will defect to your hate camp.


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