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truehappiness 9th April 2010 07:22 AM

Rock'n'Roll Circus NINKI chart ranking
 
ALBUMS
01 229.70 浜崎あゆみ - Rock'n'Roll Circus

02 110.10 UVERworld - LAST
03 44.90 DOUBLE - DOUBLE Ballad Collection Mellow
04 20.40 クレイグ・デイヴィッド - 涙をとどけて
05 17.20 school food punishment - amp-reflection
06 14.40 the telephones - Oh My Telephomes!!! e.p.
07 14.20 Paul Weller - Wake Up the Nation
08 14.00 霜月はるか - 導きのハーモニー

Wow! This is pretty good, haha.

Source: http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/na/

NOTE: NINKI is NOT a sales indicator. It is a poll of public interest out of 400+ individuals.

Previous NINKIs:
You were... - 92.00
Sunrise/Sunset - 124.60
NEXT LEVEL - 355.7
Rule/Sparkle - 126.2
Days/GREEN - 150.8
A COMPLETE - 365.2
Mirrorcle World - 84.8
talkin' 2 myself - 127.9
Secret - 254.1
(miss)understood - 280.9

First weeks for Ayu:
RAINBOW - 1,016,000 (2 weeks total?)
A BALLADS - 474,600
Memorial address - 524,028
MY STORY - 574,321
(miss)understood - 654,000 (2 weeks total)
Secret - 386,000
A BEST 2 -BLACK/WHITE- - 470,057 / 475,284
GUILTY - 432,113 (2 weeks total)
A COMPLETE ~ALL SINGLES~ - 538,876
NEXT LEVEL - 240,810

rainydayumi 9th April 2010 07:25 AM

its very close to second place.. only about 10% difference.. you should add the entire top 5 so people can compare.

im worried for this album now :(

Linoa62 9th April 2010 07:27 AM

I posted it in the album thread, but I'll repost it here then XD
(Full) NINKI chart from Oricon site

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2871/sanstitre1wp.jpg

truehappiness 9th April 2010 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PaPaRatZi (Post 2312483)
its very close to second place.. only about 10% difference.. you should add the entire top 5 so people can compare.

im worried for this album now :(

....

Rock'n'Roll Circus is 110% more than UVERworld's LAST.

rainydayumi 9th April 2010 07:28 AM

i made a mistake!!! :roflmao i read 110 as 210!! im so happy now! big smash debut for sure :laugh

waterballoon 9th April 2010 07:30 AM

wow NEXT LEVEL's NINKI index was so high and look at it now... lol oh well this is just an inaccurate indication. I want this album to do so well badly. It deserves it

ayumisrael 9th April 2010 07:32 AM

I think it's really great!

AKB48's album ninki was 204.70 and they are really popular now so it's good a bit more people showed interest in ayu's album.

It might not sell more or as well though. =P

truehappiness 9th April 2010 07:36 AM

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wow NEXT LEVEL's NINKI index was so high and look at it now... lol oh well this is just an inaccurate indication. I want this album to do so well badly. It deserves it
NEXT LEVEL's NINKI was high, but it sold pretty meh. It's like talkin' 2 myself had a HIGH one and was her worst selling single of the last X years...

njanjayrp 9th April 2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2312505)
NEXT LEVEL's NINKI was high, but it sold pretty meh. It's like talkin' 2 myself had a HIGH one and was her worst selling single of the last X years...

Yeah lol, talkin' 2 myself's NINKI was her highest after Days/GREEN and glitter/fated since 2007, yet all the other singles with lower NINKI outsold it ^^

waterballoon 9th April 2010 07:56 AM

I think the people who said, "YES! I wanna buy talkin' 2 myself single from Ayu!!!" are trolls.

:P

truehappiness 9th April 2010 07:56 AM

I think a lot of Ayu fans got polled for that one, while for Mirrorcle World, not that many got polled.

y_nathz 9th April 2010 08:03 AM

LOL She's higher than UVERworld by 110%, I don't think I need to worry that much ;)
Btw the 400 people are random ? hmm..

rainydayumi 9th April 2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2312536)
I think a lot of Ayu fans got polled for that one, while for Mirrorcle World, not that many got polled.

this :yes

ninki is just a survey.. so i think it generally shows who debuts in the top 5 but it doesnt really do it accurately.. theres a high variance :D

toniayu 9th April 2010 08:07 AM

I expect more sales:D

freedreamer 9th April 2010 08:28 AM

LOL @ NEXT LEVEL's NINKI...
Its not bad...pretty average...at least it wont get our hopes high...I hope it goes the other way round...I can totally see the album being on sale tmr already (@her tour)

AyuGAME 9th April 2010 08:41 AM

wow...i don't know that UVERworld is releasing new album in the same date with ayu..
but nah...i don't really worried about UVERworld, their popularity is stuck on the same level...
i think UVERworld just can sell about 100-125k on the first week...
ayu is really save to get number one position...
let's all wish the best for the sales...this album need to beat NEXT LEVEL sales...

miroro 9th April 2010 08:45 AM

i hope for ok sales:yes
not getting my hopes up, but if it does, i'll be more than hppy

TITANIC 9th April 2010 09:27 AM

Hope for very big front load

Dinex_Taiwan 9th April 2010 09:28 AM

I remeber the first day sales of NEXT LEVEL is pretty high. The NINKI seems represents that fact.
The NINKI often means just people's expectation. I think the reason why NEXT LEVEL's NINKI is high is due to the success of 10th Anniversary campaign. However, at this time there isn't any big activity now, so people won't have any expectation before they listen the whole album....Hope this time ayu's Rock music can reverse this situation and make her back to another peak!!!

Tasked 9th April 2010 09:40 AM

#1-hit, coming right up

freedreamer 9th April 2010 09:41 AM

Well..if NEXT LEVEL was high because of Days..then...LOL!

gothicayu 9th April 2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PaPaRatZi (Post 2312550)

ninki is just a survey.. so i think it generally shows who debuts in the top 5 but it doesnt really do it accurately.. theres a high variance :D

exactly thats why whatever nikki say is never accurate . i strop looking at the nikki prediction since every time the number are either too low or too high .

SunshineSlayer 9th April 2010 09:50 AM

She'll get number 1, I don't think there is any doubt about that. What I am more interested in is the actual sales. That Ninki is not good compared to her past ones. But sometimes Ninki is just crap though.

AyuWorld 9th April 2010 09:57 AM

didnt know about NL ninki index :shakehead

oh well,it's great for RnRC,hoping for a great number of sale,i believe in this album :yes

truehappiness 9th April 2010 10:14 AM

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That Ninki is not good compared to her past ones.
I'm actually very surprised at how low Secret and (m)u were, haha.

rainydayumi 9th April 2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by riozz (Post 2312652)
Hope for very big front load

yes me too, i want a massive load

njanjayrp 9th April 2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2312676)
She'll get number 1, I don't think there is any doubt about that. What I am more interested in is the actual sales. That Ninki is not good compared to her past ones. But sometimes Ninki is just crap though.

Yeah, considering the biggest competition is UVERworld which has never sold more than 200k copies of an album and that AKB's sales are dropping like mad, we have nothing to fear.

I am hoping she'll at least be able to clear 200k in the first week. Considering that NEXT LEVEL only had a slight drop from GUILTY's real first week (should be around 30k) I say she has good chances. If that happens the album will have good chances of getting close to NL numbers.

aloopy 9th April 2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2312716)
I'm actually very surprised at how low Secret and (m)u were, haha.

Didn't they only poll 300 people at first? But it has been changed to 400-500 now. Dunno if it's true lol I just remember reading something like that some time ago
Maybe that explains why (m)u and Secret had low ninkis compared to NL

truehappiness 9th April 2010 12:09 PM

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Didn't they only poll 300 people at first? But it has been changed to 400-500 now. Dunno if it's true lol I just remember reading something like that some time ago
Maybe that explains why (m)u and Secret had low ninkis compared to NL
It's always been 400ish, I think. I remember always seeing a :
"400 people were polled for this ranking." sort of thing on the bottom of early NINKIs...

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ 9th April 2010 12:42 PM

wow.. o.O
NL is higher than RnRC???

But I hope the physical sales do better.... :D

It reallly deserves it... :D

ayumisrael 9th April 2010 12:45 PM

NL was also higher than Secret and GUILTY and they sold more.

NINKI just doesn't show much. =P

brener 9th April 2010 03:14 PM

hopping for more...

SunshineSlayer 9th April 2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2312817)
It's always been 400ish, I think. I remember always seeing a :
"400 people were polled for this ranking." sort of thing on the bottom of early NINKIs...

I seem to remember the same thing as aloopy - that a couple of years ago the number was raised. I can't remember where I read that from, but it would certainly make sense.

Beauty4123 9th April 2010 07:41 PM

ayu will definately get #1. no one needs to worry about that :P the NINKI is good, though!

ストロボ・EdGE 9th April 2010 08:01 PM

So that means that out of 400 people, ~229 showed interest in buying it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 2312533)
I think the people who said, "YES! I wanna buy talkin' 2 myself single from Ayu!!!" are trolls.

:P

:laugh Ninki Trolls!! Or maybe Koda Kumi fans [everyone take that lightly]!!

primavera♥ 9th April 2010 08:06 PM

^ is that how this works? . . .and lol

i would hope it sells more. album sales just seem to decrease in general for some artists i think though. even everyone thought its better than NL. anyway i would hope for more than this haha . . the past predictions are a bit. . .strange.

bluegie 9th April 2010 08:29 PM

The NINKI is not very high this time, but still it can't really reflect how the actual sales will be. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2312481)
First weeks for Ayu:
RAINBOW - 1,016,000 (2 weeks total?)

That's only first week sales. On the second week (and third week combined?), RAINBOW beat KinKi Kids' F album (ending their album streak :P) and topped the chart again :).

adantatu2 9th April 2010 08:29 PM

She is #1 of course, but i hope better sales!!!!!
And UVERworld is great too

Ayu_Ready 9th April 2010 08:44 PM

NINKI is not very precise ^^'

truehappiness 9th April 2010 08:51 PM

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So that means that out of 400 people, ~229 showed interest in buying it?
No.

I don't know what they use, but they tend to say "400 people were polled" but sometimes numbers can climb into the high 500s if it's Arashi or something. I really don't know HOW / WHY that hapens, but I guess it'd be better to say that these NINKI numbers are a sort of index that comes from some other figure. Like if there's a high percentage of old people, their "yay I will buy it" counts as more... or something, haha.

The way they do it (I think) is that they have 80 people in each age group (teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s,) and there are 40 males and 40 females in each group. If Ayu isn't such a big hit with most of the people, you can't really expect her to get a high ranking. It just depends on who is polled and what their preferences are, I suppose, unless it's an artist that EVERYONE loves like Arashi or Mr. Children...

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2313005)
I seem to remember the same thing as aloopy - that a couple of years ago the number was raised. I can't remember where I read that from, but it would certainly make sense.

http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/ranking/7031/

At the bottom, there's something that reads:
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※NINKI度調査は、オリコン・モニターリサーチ会員(約4万人)からランダムサンプリングした400人 の回答者による「興味・関心度」「購入意向度」等のアンケート結果を指数化したもの。回答者は10代から5 0代の各世代男女各50人ずつ。
アンケート調査期間12月9日~12月12日。
And this is in (miss)understood's era. Cheers.

Coelacanth 9th April 2010 09:04 PM

What exactly is the purpose of NINKI? It's so pointless.

rakeru 9th April 2010 09:04 PM

Of course it'll be #1, but I'm not expecting sales to be all that great. >.< Good to see she has a lead on the competition, though.

truehappiness 9th April 2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 2313342)
What exactly is the purpose of NINKI? It's so pointless.

I suppose it's for people who only buy what's "in" and they can look at the NINKI to decide what to buy, haha.

Jwiz 9th April 2010 09:22 PM

^ No wonder Arashi's sales keeps getting higher and higher sigh.

Unai_ 9th April 2010 11:54 PM

We will see R'n'RC sales next week, i don't like NINKI so much because i don't understand xD!

NL sales were not too high but the album was on charts for a big period !

Bigtop 9th April 2010 11:59 PM

Well, I think this might be a little bit harder, particularly because of UVERworld, but they're not doing a promotion path strategy that Ayu is using...

SunshineSlayer 10th April 2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2313353)
I suppose it's for people who only buy what's "in" and they can look at the NINKI to decide what to buy, haha.

No one even knows/cares about what Ninki is unless they have an Oricon fetish or something. It's really not a big deal here I don't think.

ストロボ・EdGE 10th April 2010 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2313328)
No.

I don't know what they use, but they tend to say "400 people were polled" but sometimes numbers can climb into the high 500s if it's Arashi or something. I really don't know HOW / WHY that hapens, but I guess it'd be better to say that these NINKI numbers are a sort of index that comes from some other figure. Like if there's a high percentage of old people, their "yay I will buy it" counts as more... or something, haha.

Then what's the highest you can get? I always assumed the ninki number was the number of people who responded positively out of the ones polled.

truehappiness 10th April 2010 05:45 AM

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Then what's the highest you can get? I always assumed the ninki number was the number of people who responded positively out of the ones polled.
Highest I've seen was 570+.

Quote:

575.00 嵐 - All the BEST! 1999-2009
Another really high Arashi NINKI:
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Singles

Arashi - 453.9
Tohoshinki - 105.7
flumpool - 68.7
GACKT - 40.4
C-ute - 40.1
Sakai Ayumi x twenty4-7- 25.1
John Hoon - 23.5
Tsuchiya Anna - 20.8
Kalafina - 19.7
AZU - 15.7

Albums

Fukuyama Masaharu - 218.1
Sid - 42.4
Toshihide Baba - 21.1
MEGARYU - 20.3
Micro - 16.6

Ayu's is higher than Fukuyama Masaharu's for Zankyou, and he ended up selling a LOT.

SunshineSlayer commenting on the single one elsewhere:
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Holy freakin' HUH?! That is by far the highest Ninki number I've ever seen....isn't it supposed to be 400 people only?!

I honestly didn't see Arashi going any higher than they currently were given the current music industry conditions but wow, that's awesome if this Ninki number actually ends up being an accurate indicator.
It doesn't appear that we know exactly how they calculate the NINKI... -sigh-

Another recent NINKI:
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01 250.50 東方神起 - BEST SELECTION 2010
02 46.50 May J. - for you
03 36.10 AAA - HEARTFUL
04 30.90 茅原実里 - Sing All Love
05 26.10 The Birthday - STAR BLOWS
06 22.40 樋口了一 - よろこびのうた
07 17.00 SunSet Swish - 夕暮れマエストロ
08 15.30 相川七瀬 - NANASE AIKAWA BEST ALBUM "ROCK or DIE"
09 14.20 Lil Wayne - Rebirth
10 11.20 Blur - All the People: Blur Live at Hyde Park
#1 here was only about 30~ points higher than Ayu. I suppose Arashi is just... amazing?

ストロボ・EdGE 10th April 2010 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2314017)
Another recent NINKI:


#1 here was only about 30~ points higher than Ayu. I suppose Arashi is just... amazing?

Number one on that list is Tohoshinki..

In any case, yes, I'm tired of Arashi and this boy band fever (although Tohoshinki has some good songs). The era of solo female singers needs to shine once more!!

I don't even care if it's not Ayu, just... not all these dancing, lip synching man-boys.

truehappiness 10th April 2010 07:16 AM

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Number one on that list is Tohoshinki..
I know. My Arashi comment was in reference to their ability to get HUGE NINKI numbers compared to other acts. It was unrelated to the chart specifically.

ストロボ・EdGE 10th April 2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2314141)
I know. My Arashi comment was in reference to their ability to get HUGE NINKI numbers compared to other acts. It was unrelated to the chart specifically.

Oh okay, haha. I'm sure you can tell the difference by sight 東方起神 and 嵐.:P

Going back to what I said earlier, I'd assume you don't personally actually care about (or detest the fact of) boy bands being at the top though right?

truehappiness 10th April 2010 09:33 PM

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Going back to what I said earlier, I'd assume you don't personally actually care about (or detest the fact of) boy bands being at the top though right?
Eh?

Well, I pretend that they don't exist usually on the charts since their inclusion throws off the top 20 yearlies since there're like 5 singles from 3 different boy bands in it, haha.

So I like to think of the yearlies without them and judge people's sales from there, haha.

Sironigous 11th April 2010 02:52 AM

I'm starting to think that NINKI is based on the sales of the last record... :P

Cherry Dynamite 11th April 2010 03:03 AM

Boy bands begone! I just wish they'll disappear from the face of the music industry.


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