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rainydayumi 12th April 2010 09:44 AM

Do you think ayu composes less because of her hearing?
 
i was thinking of this.. she composed less as CREA ever since her hearing has gotten worse.. how much do you think her hearing has affected her? i dont think her vocals are affected at all, she still is able to sing every note correctly.

shizukanaotoko 12th April 2010 09:52 AM

i think that is a logical idea! but perhaps she's also run out of inspiration or just become lazier... she's never been formally trained in music theory so it must have been tough for her to compose... though some of her greatest work was self-composed :/ I really miss Ayu's compositions! I love your signature picture and tagline haha... I think you know what they're looking at ;)

rainydayumi 12th April 2010 09:57 AM

yes i noticed shes been relying more on good songs by other people rather than making her own music.. i think thats good, but it depends a lot on her luck.. CREA compositions are consistently good! a lot of her great songs are her own.

and yes.. :D i know what theyre looking at too! im surprised that ayu so bravely put such a scene in the video!

KarenPang 12th April 2010 10:28 AM

I don't think so cos writing & composing are 2 different things altogether

it's tough for someone who doesn't have a music background to compose their own works & it's not easy doing that & let alone writing lyrics for a song

She also like what people said , rather let her staff to do so instead of her doing that while she just focus on writing her material

y_nathz 12th April 2010 01:30 PM

Ayu didn't have a music background so it must be hard for her..
And your theory is quite true somehow
A lot of the bests songs are CREA composed though :(

Cherry Dynamite 12th April 2010 01:34 PM

I read somewhere here that Ayu composes less because she thinks she's not professional enough to do composing that's why she's letting other people compose. I'm not sure but I remember reading that somewhere in AHS

AyuWorld 12th April 2010 01:48 PM

really subjectif question XD but i dont think its cos of her hearing though~

maybe cos she dont feel like to compose any of new song,who knows maybe one day when she wakes up and then tada..i got this music playing in my head and yeah we'll get something new form CREA ~wink~

hidekirby 12th April 2010 01:55 PM

I don't think it has anything to do with her hearing. You don't really need 2 ears to compose on a keyboard IMO. I read she wasn't inspired to compose something and that she doesn't feel obliged to do so...

AyuGAME 12th April 2010 02:06 PM

maybe the new song [Moon] is compose by her...
kinda feel the vibe of it...
nah..but maybe just my imagination...
because the song is soooo good...

by the way...from what i know...ayu need to choose thousand of sample song..to pick one song that she want to sing...i think that's hard job too...so i think ayu is not lazy...but i think she is super busy to sit and find inspiration to compose a song...

rainydayumi 12th April 2010 02:35 PM

well none of her CREA songs have ever done badly ;) maybe her next million selling album will be one born from 100% ayu inspiration and composition (like I am... and RAINBOW)

AngelSenshi 12th April 2010 03:06 PM

I think she did that most when she just couldn't find something someone else created that fit her vision enough. I think since that time, more and more people have been devoted to giving her compositions. A while back she mentioned it was hectic looking for the right melody for a song she had in mind, and that there were loads of choices. I guess these days it's easier for her to find what she's looking for...

I think that if she didn't find what she was looking for in any particular composition her staff gave her she wouldn't really hold back and she'll compose it herself if she need fit. She knows it won't be easy but she used to do it anyway.

The odds were always against her because she didn't have a musical background, and it was probably tough, but it didn't stop her. I think if she needed to compose again, she certainly would.

Andrenekoi 12th April 2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PaPaRatZi (Post 2317980)
well none of her CREA songs have ever done badly ;) maybe her next million selling album will be one born from 100% ayu inspiration and composition (like I am... and RAINBOW)

Yeah, forgiveness was like... her biggest hit ever! :P

As I say everytime a thread about this is opened (what happens once a month :P), some of her most loved songs are by Crea, but also are some of her most hated...

Bad Wolf 12th April 2010 09:36 PM

It's an interesting idea, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but I personally don't believe it. I think her staff has a better idea of what sound/style she wants, after working with her so closely/constantly, so they know what to go for -- thus she doesn't feel as compelled to do it all herself. She still picks the songs personally, or tells the arrangers/composers what she's looking for, but she might feel like what they produce is precisely the sort of sound she's aiming for.

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I think she did that most when she just couldn't find something someone else created that fit her vision enough.
Yup -- I seem to remember Ayu saying herself that this was the reason she took up composing -- nothing she was given really "fit" what she was looking for, so she took it upon herself to create that desired sound.

truehappiness 12th April 2010 09:44 PM

She actually composed a song or two in late 2008 in consideration for Rule/Sparkle and NEXT LEVEL, but in the end, the Miki Watanabe and Kazuhiro Hara songs won out.

Bad Wolf 12th April 2010 09:50 PM

^ Oho~ That's interesting to know! Did she say that in an interview? :D

truehappiness 12th April 2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by InoriNoUta (Post 2318601)
^ Oho~ That's interesting to know! Did she say that in an interview? :D

She said in her blog that one of her little babies (compositions) was in the final selection stages for a single/album in mid-November, and in December, we got news of both Rule AND Sparkle.

TeamAyu Message 338 and 339 from Deli:
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The composers wrote many many good songs, so over the course of the day today, it was narrowed down to 3 or 4 compositions.
The arrangers too have to crank out some really good music, so I'm worried~~~~~~.



Incidentally, among the candidate songs, there's one composition that I did myself. (Been awhile, huh~?

But, just because it's my little baby doesn't mean it'll get picked! lol.


cavonzia 12th April 2010 10:12 PM

maybe a little influence about that too
but i think,maybe she is too busy (especially with so much live concert will spent a lot of time to training with that)

Bad Wolf 13th April 2010 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2318607)
She said in her blog that one of her little babies (compositions) was in the final selection stages for a single/album in mid-November, and in December, we got news of both Rule AND Sparkle.

TeamAyu Message 338 and 339 from Deli:

Awesome! Thank you so much for sharing. You're like, the perfect database of all interesting, useful Ayu information :D

rainydayumi 13th April 2010 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2318607)
She said in her blog that one of her little babies (compositions) was in the final selection stages for a single/album in mid-November, and in December, we got news of both Rule AND Sparkle.

TeamAyu Message 338 and 339 from Deli:

:luv2 i really really hope we get to hear it!!!!!

rainydayumi 13th April 2010 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2318163)
Yeah, forgiveness was like... her biggest hit ever! :P

that was her overexposure and bad timing, forgiveness still did well in comparison to a lot of her other singles.:yes

krazeyo 13th April 2010 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by InoriNoUta (Post 2318574)
It's an interesting idea, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but I personally don't believe it. I think her staff has a better idea of what sound/style she wants, after working with her so closely/constantly, so they know what to go for -- thus she doesn't feel as compelled to do it all herself. She still picks the songs personally, or tells the arrangers/composers what she's looking for, but she might feel like what they produce is precisely the sort of sound she's aiming for.

That's what I think too! She doesn't feel like composing anymore, because her staff knows the music she likes and the sound she's aiming for :P

Also, she lost her hearing at the end of 2007ish, GUILTY era, right? And she slowly started composing less right after RAINBOW. Three CREA compositions on Memorial Address and MY STORY and only one on (miss)understood, which could've been different if GEO wasn't involved. No compositions on Secret (maybe because it was rushed), but she's been slowly composing less and less (and now not at all)

GRACE 13th April 2010 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by krazeyo (Post 2319086)
That's what I think too! She doesn't feel like composing anymore, because her staff knows the music she likes and the sound she's aiming for :P

Also, she lost her hearing at the end of 2007ish, GUILTY era, right? And she slowly started composing less right after RAINBOW. Three CREA compositions on Memorial Address and MY STORY and only one on (miss)understood, which could've been different if GEO wasn't involved. No compositions on Secret (maybe because it was rushed), but she's been slowly composing less and less (and now not at all)

as far as I can recall, she only announced she had lost her hearing in 2008, she'd been losing it for a number of years (I think since 2000)

This whole idea is kinda ridiculous :l Composition has nothing to do with hearing. One of the most famous and brilliant composers in the whole world was completely deaf :l

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6...thovenwyvn.jpg

truehappiness 13th April 2010 11:18 AM

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she only announced she had lost her hearing in 2008, she'd been losing it for a number of years (I think since 2000)
concert tour 2000 vol.2 had an ear infection which lead to some ear damage pre-DOME TOUR 2001. That was the beginning of this entire mess.

Tony G 13th April 2010 01:25 PM

She's not a composer, that's why she doesn't compose. She only started composing when none of her composers achieved the sound she wanted for M. Then.. she was asked to compose the whole of I Am...? From RAINBOW onwards though, CREAs apperance diminished bit by bit until it was gone. Probably because she is working with producers now who get her and the sound she wants for each song.

I think she's a pretty ametuer composer too. Her melodies are good, but its the arranger that steps in and makes them something special in the end. Not many (or any?) songs where CREA has done composing and arranging.

I don't think it has anything to do with her hearing. She was losing her hearing from 2001, the year she composed ALL her songs. Doesn't make much sense.

And remember that blog picture of her computer with the keyboard connected? She's probably comes up with her melodies that way. So she'd have to be pretty good at playing keyboard/piano.

rainydayumi 13th April 2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2319102)

i still think this is a conspiracy :| it makes no sense whatsoever..

AngelSenshi 13th April 2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2318607)
She said in her blog that one of her little babies (compositions) was in the final selection stages for a single/album in mid-November, and in December, we got news of both Rule AND Sparkle.

TeamAyu Message 338 and 339 from Deli:

Ahh!! I had forgotten about that!! I wonder if we'll ever get to hear it... I wish we would. I'd really love it if we heard something that she'd composed again...

Pieces_of_SEVEN 13th April 2010 04:30 PM

I'm sure once she officially retires in 2050 or (heaven forbid) she passes...then we will get a release from avex of all tyoes of unreleased material. Not for the fans of course, but because Avex is one of the most greedy corporations in existence. >.<

I ALWAYS wish for more CREA compositions though :/

Andrenekoi 13th April 2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony G (Post 2319679)
And remember that blog picture of her computer with the keyboard connected? She's probably comes up with her melodies that way. So she'd have to be pretty good at playing keyboard/piano.

She composes mainly by humming and recording herself... (doesn't sound very pratical imo xD)

lumieregrl 13th April 2010 09:01 PM

I didn't know she composed that much in the first place? lol

ストロボ・EdGE 13th April 2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2320144)
She composes mainly by humming and recording herself... (doesn't sound very pratical imo xD)

Omg is that true!? Well she doesn't play any instruments so it sort of makes sense even though it sounds funny.

Picaflor 7/4 13th April 2010 09:22 PM

I don't think her deafness is her reason for not composing. Last song she composed was Will in 2005, and she didn't entirely lose hearing in her ear till 2008.

Andrenekoi 13th April 2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE (Post 2320296)
Omg is that true!? Well she doesn't play any instruments so it sort of makes sense even though it sounds funny.

I'm pretty sure M and Humming were composed this way, cuz she herself said it... but considering one if her first composition and the other is one of the latest, well... her technique seens to be the same :P

And for who asked... she only arranged one song: Wonderland

truehappiness 13th April 2010 09:38 PM

She composed using a tape recorder and humming into it for M or something like that.

But with evolution, here's the backstory on that:
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Q. Out of the songs you made, the song that was new to you and had the fastest melody is…
evolution
Those days I couldn’t make songs at home so I brought all of my instruments to the hotel and made them. Plus, I run out of ideas if I stay in the same hotel, so I changed the hotels at every song I make. I think I made evo at a hotel in Yokohama*6? Back then, I was into guitar too, so after a process of trial and error, even though I made it myself I thought “Wow, it’s a very fast song!” (laughs). Before that I especially had a lot of medium or ballad songs, so it was very new to me, and I think my fans were really surprised too. I don’t think I can make another evo song even if someone tells me too. I think this song was born because I had that kind of particular “feeling” back then. If I was to make another rock song now I think I’ll make something close to “Humming 7/4”.
I think she might've used a guitar for it?

ストロボ・EdGE 13th April 2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2320356)
I think she might've used a guitar for it?

evolution is such a fast song that unless she actually knew how to play guitar she wouldn't have been able to compose it with one I'd assume.

Are you hiding talents from us Ayu O___O ? It'd be amazing if Ayu could learn to play one of her songs on piano like HEAVEN and play it at a concert. I'd dieee//

truehappiness 13th April 2010 09:57 PM

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she wouldn't have been able to compose it with one I'd assume.
Well, she could've used it for slowly composing the melody, and then it was later sped up when it got to the arrangement process..

It could've been anything since she said she brought a load of instruments with her, haha.

Andrenekoi 14th April 2010 12:07 AM

^Well, she also said the tryed composing M with instruments before doing it on her own way...

aura~ 14th April 2010 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2319102)

This whole idea is kinda ridiculous :l Composition has nothing to do with hearing. One of the most famous and brilliant composers in the whole world was completely deaf :l

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6...thovenwyvn.jpg

LOL I was gonna write: "Tell it to Beethoven..." You already stated it ^^

Tony G 14th April 2010 01:38 AM

How do we know she can't play any instruments?

truehappiness 14th April 2010 01:40 AM

She can "play" notes and such, but I don't think she can "play" songs... if that makes sense to you, haha.

Yum!Fruit_Salad! 15th April 2010 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PaPaRatZi (Post 2319723)
i still think this is a conspiracy :| it makes no sense whatsoever..

He wasn't completely deaf all his life

Bigtop 15th April 2010 03:41 AM

Maybe it could be...

CHE.R.RY 15th April 2010 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry Dynamite (Post 2317890)
I read somewhere here that Ayu composes less because she thinks she's not professional enough to do composing that's why she's letting other people compose. I'm not sure but I remember reading that somewhere in AHS

That would make sense...But goodness! All of CREA's songs are so distinct and not at all in a bad way! I think Ayu is plenty professional enough to compose her own material!! I found her works to be quite unique in comparison to the stuff composed by others :yes.


And about her hearing...it sounds logical, but as I've basically said, I think she just plain doesn't want to. But who knows? Maybe it's a mix of both.

alternarist 15th April 2010 09:38 AM

well, i guess ayu lets someone else do the composing. But if she doesnt like any tune that any composers composed, she will do it herself. that's what happened for M.

That's just my conjecture.


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