Ayu-Gaga 'conversation' on Music Station
 

Sorry I couldn't understand very well everything!

I can understand written english but it's hard to me to understand spoken english...

Can somebody write what Lady Gaga said to Ayu about her dress on Music Station please?

Gaga said that she wanted to use a dress like Ayu used for the AT03-04 "No way to say" performance, where the dress is hoisted up and the stage is re-arranged behind it. But the staff told Gaga they weren't able to do that, so Gaga decided to "bleed to death" instead.

is that what you mean? :)

They asked Gaga what she though of Ayu's style, but instead of complimenting her, she said that she had planned to wear the big NWTS dress too but instead wore a bleeding dress instead at the MTV awards and then went into detail about how the bleeding dress worked. (even though Ayu already did the bleeding dress thing a while ago)

^Yeah that seems a bit strange. When did Ayu do the bleeding dress? I just can't remember >_<

I would have thought Ayu and Gaga would get along great but that video made me feel that Gaga didn't like Ayu :( My dreams are shattered D=

Ayu seemed to be so interested in GaGa x)

^ or just respectful ;)

Gaga did seems rather unfriendly, I'm guessing she's trying to be "cool" which seems really rude. It would be awesome if they exchange ideas.

^nuh uh no it wouldn't:laugh
keep ayu away from that
I do like gaga btw

I think ayu used the bleeding dress in concert tour 2000.

all I saw ayu uncomfortable next to gaga and not just cos of her outfit.

gaga isn't that friendly in a lot of her interviews...she's kinda snobby sometimes lol

I thought her explaining the bleeding dress was super funny since ayu did it for the monochrome perf like years ago...

but I mean...I don't think gaga knows much about ayu...and the clips they had of ayu werent that great...

yeah I was like wtf why did they show the long dress for M in A Museum? Even the huge NWTS dress wasn't that "wow"... lol

I thought the NWTS dress was actually pretty awesome. It's funny that Gaga wanted to do that same idea but couldn't, but Ayu could. :)
Thanks for sharing~

I just think that they wanted to show off in front of gaga

Yeah, but like waterballoon said, they could have done it better... I mean, Ayu is a living legend in Japan and is way more successful than Gaga (a 30-second showcase of some PV's, Moments AT2005, evolution at Dome Tour, intro to Stadium Tour, etc would have rocked)

She didnt seem rude at least to me, I just think she didnt know what to do because everyone was speaking Japanese and she didnt know what was being said and had to wait for the translator behind her to tell her. She seemed to be looking at Ayu when Ayu was saying "really?" when talking about the dress at the video music awards. I'm thinking she just felt nervous and out of place. I have seen Gackt sit there stone cold during interviews wearing sunglasses doing the same thing to try to be dark and mysterious. I think she was comparing styles with Ayu, kind of saying we may think alike and was complimenting her for making the dress work when she couldnt and for having a similar taste. Thats my thoughts on it anyway.

I do agree but it wasn't necessary anyways, just a waste of time.
What I wanted to see ayu speaking english with gaga,
not just gaga speaking to ayu and ayu just nodding.

I don't why everyone is saying Gaga was rude...0_o You have to remember she doesnt really speak Japanese...so she probably wont be laughing with everyone else at the jokes...I thought she was friendly and I don't even like her that much.

I wanted to see the cameraman ignoring Gaga :laugh
I guess that, since Ayu is already a household name at Music Station, It was fair to give more time/space to Gaga, who was attending for the second time

I didn't think Gaga was rude, because she have to focus on what her translator say so she's being quite.

^this
Imo she was just trying to get along with the only artist there who was able to speak English... IMO she seemed to be very friendly to Ayu

guys thats how gaga always is. and i thought gaga was great in talking to ayu. she was complimenting her. you really have to be a "monster" to get how gaga is in interviews. Love them both and it was an epic episode. they both had huge smilies at each others dresses and laughed with each other.

Thanks tokyoxjapanxfan and SunshineSlayer for replying ^_^

It gives me that vibe too :laugh this was planned, everything is thanks to Acchan from Perfume for mentioning Ayu and Gaga btw

A-chan is the one who has midlength hair and has a bit of a masculine face. Nocchi is the one who asked about their grand stages, haha.

oh yeah quite interesting topic.
I was really looking forward this. I think Ayu was really friendly and listened to gaga's english. Gaga wasn't as friendly maybe because herself or only the japanese language. I don't know.
However Ayu is big star for a very long time and Gaga can't say a word about it.

Oh and btw does everyone have the video of "Bleeding Ayu" ? I haven't seen it and quite interested in it. ^^

I'm surprised because I didn't feel like Gaga was being rude. She looks like to speak to Ayu and with respect ( I guess ) but god, why those two poor extract ? The M dress ? Ok it was crossing the arena but except this .... why not the giant red rose from Born to be live ? or Alterna live or one of her dress that light up ? Or Endless Sorrow on the cross or Kiss o' Kill cross ... there were so many more WOW performance to show imo.

I don't think she actually meant to be rude, but it at least appeared to be a tad rude to me or at least stuck up.

The most EPIC part is how the translator is hidden by GaGa XD "Hide yourself, *****!"

I live in Europe where Gaga is seen a lot on TV and such, and she came to Malta (where I live) to perform before she was even popular. She had this snobby attitude then and she has it now. Simple as that, it's her personality or at least her image. Now people can do whatever they want and like it, but I personally don't like it nor appreciate it. And in terms of her music, I can't comment because I can't stand that sort of music.

She always sounds rude and arrogant; it's odd that people try to deny it. It's not about whether she does it or not, it's about whether different people don't mind it or not.

I'm not a Gaga fan, but imagine being in her place. She probably doesn't understand a bit of Japanese so being there with everyone speaking Japanese and laughing must have been uncomfortable.

Though on the same note, it was kind of rude how she redirected the question about Ayu to how she wanted to do something similar but wasn't able to so she did a different act. (even though Ayu had already done something like that 10 years ago)

Ayu was acknowledging her but Gaga gave off the "I'm too good for you" vibe, which may be why it felt awkward. It would just seem like common sense to act polite or atleast acknowledge the other artists like they were doing to her, even though they probably didn't understand some of what she was talking about.

If they were bragging about Ayu, they did a good job because Gaga's team couldn't pull off the NWTS dress like she wanted. ;) I kind of wish Ayu would have said "oh, I did the bleeding dress way back in 2000." :laugh

Maybe Gaga is jealous? I even wonder if Gaga thinks Ayu copied her like some Gaga fans like to think, lol.

Gaga a bit rude for me. It's just her natural expressions imo.

But I do love Gaga talk to Ayu XD. She seems comfortable to speak with Ayu more than the announcer as Gaga doesn't need the translator to speak with Ayu. I think, at the back stage, Gaga just talking to Ayu than others :D

I don't think she was particularly rude in this case, it's true that she has a certain type of attitude that may rub some people the wrong way, kind of like Utada has. Many artists (not just in music) are self centered and have to be/ turn out that way because of the way the business/ creative process work. =)

i don't think lady gaga was being rude... if anything she was saying "it's so cool you were able to do this, cuz we couldn't so we did this other thing instead". i don't see how that's rude? also, at 4:33 when they are showing ayu's "m" dress you can hear lady gaga say "that's beautiful". i don't suppose that's being rude too?

Exactly.

Gaga's got an interesting poker face in her tv appearances (which fades only a little when she talks about her fans), but the way I saw it, I could see she liked Ayu's style (you see her nodding when she looks at the A Museum "M" dress, a nod I took to be one of approval for the long veil and the outfit).

Her commenting that she wanted to do the "No way to say"-style dress wasn't necessarily snobbish or rude (though I can see why people would say that) but her tone of voice indicated surprise -- like, "Oh, I wanted to do that, too!" As if she was pleased to see Ayu had the idea as well. There was also a bit of regret in her voice since she obviously couldn't pull off the dress XD Sorry if I seem to be over-analyzing it, but I think some of the tones and the way Gaga speaks might not get across very well to non-native speakers -- even native speakers have trouble realizing when she's being serious or rude o.o; Myself included.

I don't think Gaga was rude, had she said that comment in an english speaking interview, everyone would had laughed.

It's like in an intterview, Gaga had this ridiculous outfit and one of the guests was like "Phew, I almost wore that to the show aswell" and everyone laughed. It isn't rude, just a joke that I guess many people got as an "explanation" rather than the joke intention.

And they showed 2 ayu dresses, one of which if you aren't a Ayu fan youd simply don't get what the A Museum dress is. It looked like giant white net in that picture xD.

They could had showed some of her PV clips, or so many other outfits Ayu has worn!

man people are overeacting tsk tsk

oh thank you so much, but I can't see anything O.o

I do think GaGa is snobby. It's one of the many reasons I don't like her. But really, she wasn't too bad in this interview. Honestly, this is a case of American vs. Japanese etiquette and responses. Americans are known to be very.......forward, and love to talk about themselves. Japanese are the complete freakin' opposite. They show respect to guests, no matter what, and are brought up to ask about others, not directing things towards themselves so easily.
In the U.S., this would be a very normal conversation. But because she's in Japan, things get turned around a bit, and she looked quite rude because of the contrasting culture. But really, that's still no excuse. I don't care if that's how she was raised, or if it's her personality, or her stage persona or whatever, but if you're traveling to a foreign country - let alone, if it's to promote something, like what she's doing - you need to learn how the natives act. Also, GaGa obviously is interested in Japanese culture, so she should have known better. This is one of those times where you need to throw a few things aside, and just act accordingly. It's like how you're not supposed to show up in ripped jeans and a mohawk to a job interview, you know?

ah I already find it on youtube, thank you Lacus Clyne <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHojU...eature=related

Oh wow, I didn't get the whole gist of the conversation, and missed a few parts. That does sound rather rude, not complimenting ayu after being asked about ayu's style :no. She just...dodged the question.

Btw, A Museum M and AT03-04 No Way to Say are most likelly Ayu most iconic performances to japanese people... Cuz everytime they talk about her live performances, those 2 are comented or shown... They were showing Ayu's best by japanese standart

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Rewatched... and actually... I found Ayu kinda rude o.O Gaga was there talking to her and she was only nodding with a bored expression on her face o____O

^this :D

I think, Ayu also did that to her director of Microphone? XD

I didn't think she was rude, with the No way to say dress my perception was that she saw the picture and was like "oh wow, I had a similar idea" and then told an anecdote on how she couldn't fulfill it. Time constraints or translation mishap/rush made her unable to answer the question about ayu.

The thing is with GaGa, sometimes she appears rather reserved or arrogant even, at other times she is one of the most down to earth superstars out there.

what bleeding dress? any pics?

how do they make the dress bleed?

I think gaga was very rude, and she comes across that way in most of her interviews and I don't really care much, but it was just so sad to see her being so rude to ayu, especially when ayu was nothing but sweet.

^if there's something I didn't feel at all from ayu on that talking, that would be "sweetness"... IMO it seemed more like "why is this "nobody" even talking to me?"

... I think you guys are reading a bit too much into this ^^; I don't see anything rude from either woman.

tbh, I think Gaga was just her rude self, and I got this impression from Ayu's actions and facial expressions that she didn't care much for Gaga at all. If I were Ayu, I'd be offended when Gaga went on about how young people should be in the forefront of culture. I dunno, it came across as snobby to me, especially when you're sitting next to a living legend and one of the most successful artists with a lengthy career in the country you're visiting to essentially imply that old people should step to the background.

^oh... you have a point there...
i also don't think ayu was being rude, but sometimes gaga's "rude self" is a turn-off. unprofessional in a way. so i'm guessing ayu wasn't too interested with her, but i wouldn't say ayu was being rude. to me she seemed interested with what gaga had to say about the dress and gaga didn't come off too snobby at that particular moment when talking about the flowery dress.

^^IMO she was just saying that she finds it important promoting younger unknown designers, so they will have a chance of getting famous... Older people who are already famous have a name of their own, they don't need any help to get screen time...

Ayo also do promote new people she find talented from time to time

She didn't look that way at all. She kindly looked over at Gaga to show her she was listening and she was understanding, that was the point of the nodding. She didn't look like she was nodding boredly, she looked like she was nodding like "I can understand" which was definitely a nice thing to do considering the language difference which could make Gaga feel uncomfortable.

Gaga didn't seem to show that much interest in anything really. Her attitude that is quite snobby is a bit of a turn off; some people have no problem with it and some people do. I'm one of the people who doesn't really appreciate an attitude like that, I could say.

I don't think she meant to draw that much of a line between the young and old generations and such. I think (kindly) she was saying that young designers who have very 'out-there' sort of designs in mind, should be supported and should be able to design things in the way they want to. Which, I can say, was very good of her to say. Younger generations in creative industries should be supported, and not looked down upon by their predecessors for doing something different that looks odd.

I agree with this alot...

Gaga wasn't speaking to Ayu though when she was talking about her bleeding dress. She was actually facing the hosts. Look closely.

You have to understand what it's like for Gaga. She got the "grand entrance", she was like the special guest, the only foreign one in a room filled with Japanese artists.

She must've automatically thought / assumed the talk-time would be centered on her. You could see this as arrogant, but I think it's quite natural.. She didn't understand anything anyone was saying, but everyone was constantly talking about her.. so when she was asked that question, she probably thought she'd do people a favor by explaining something about herself. And she did it in a quite a polite way, she smiled a lot (for Gaga's measures).

She was trying to represent herself for her Japanese fans. Stuff as much info as possible in the little time she got.

But Ayu was amazing as well. I think both ladies had a lovely talk, and that's it! :)

^tbh, GaGa's always arrogant. I don't think it's necessarily something we have to "understand." If anything she should have been gracious for this Japanese show allowing her center stage, not be arrogant about it :l

Is there a link to this anywhere? I feel so left out. :(

Oop, I found it.
D:

Wow, now Ayu's the rude one? I think the bigger issue is GaGa's put on accent.

You guys really aren't too familiar with Gaga. She is one of the most down to earth, humble, and kind (the most LOYOAl singer to her fans) woman in the entertainment business.

She has a funny way of showing it. :/

^yeah. =\
but i guess since i'm not a huge fan, i can't really say. i haven't watched her interviews, or performances, etc. but i can't speak for anyone else.

I'm a huge Gaga fan but you have GOT to be kidding me. She can't go twenty minutes without talking about how she's "liberating" her fans and talk about how she's a "unique artist" she's the furthest thing from "humble" :l

^Ahaha. Totally right!

I'm not mentioning Gaga is good or bad, But still she looks arrogant. And Ayu also looks not really interested to Gaga when she talks about how she love the outfit she wore that night. But Ayu became interested when Ayu talked about the same idea she's gonna make it but can't be done because of some problems. Ayu sat closer to Gaga when they talked about the dress :D I love that moment :love

I didn't know Lady gaga was an arrogant person. She always give praise to everyone else. Maybe she is misunderstood.

Ayumi looked annoyed at first! Then, she smile a little bit. Anyway, it was boring to watch. I wonder how Madonna and Ayumi would meet!

I cant believe some of the previous comments. I am willing to give you the benfit of the doubt thta you haven;t seen gaga inetrviews but my god the woman has said that she is so humbled by her fans at the fact that she had to fight to get where she is now. She has interviews where she says she comes off as a ***** and arrogant (On the Record with Fuse)

And Grace, i am really surprised to hear those words from you, really surprised. I don't see how saying those things doesn't make you humble (since when sying freeing your fans makes you arrogant?). Whatever I don't want to get in a feud about this. Neither came off as arrogant to me. it was an amazingly enjoyable moment. But leave it to AHS to rip and tear it apart. Talk about a buzz kill

At least, after all that copying discussion we know that they most likelly don't give a damn about each other xD

i dont think so .. Gaga looked at Ayu @ 7:04 and spoke to her all the time :innocent

well, i don't think both are being rude... Lady GaGa was paying attention to the translator and she did reply to the host ... and Ayu did listen attentively to GaGa when she was talking....

both are very nice women~ and i love the both of them

when americans go on japanese shows, people just have to complain how rude they are :rolleyes

GaGa looked like a videogame monster, which was really cool<3. and LOL @ her wearing nothing to bed xD

Is that so? Does it happen, often?

I've seen Britney Spears on Japanese shows and she was very sweet (kinda confused lol, but sweet). Lady GaGa was just verging on ERIKA level, it wasn't cute :no

Avril Lavigne has also been on numerous Japanese shows, and she wasn't rude or arrogant. No reason why Lady Gaga would have to be.

I think around that point Gaga realized that Ayu was easily understanding her, that's why she directed her attention to her.

I YouTubed Britney in Japan, and she was super nice on HEYx3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIhl6wt2Z4M

She looked confused, but she still smiled and nodded when they were talking.

Confused is okay; she's even confused in English :P

yah, She spoke directly at ayu at first, then kinda moved to the host too.

But seriously guys she has black glasses it's super difficult to tell what who she was looking or her emotions with almost no face expressions. if to some people she looked stressed or something, the only that might give it away would be forgetting to use her mic, that's almost an firts timer thing.

She was probably tired as well. I've heard that GaGa sleeps like... maybe less than Ayu? Haha.

(Ayu goes to bed at like 3-4am and wakes up at 5-6am...)

Oh well I can't believe this thread is still going strong even after the questions have been answered...

When people said Gaga was rude or not it their is opinion and you shouldn't bash people just because they said she was or wasn't.

Haha. They're not bashing. They're just talked about their opinions.. btw, I love to look forward at this thread :D

I don't see this as arguing; we're all just stating opinions, and talking about what we're basing our opinions on.

Yeah, this really isn't arguing, just discussing how Gaga may have been or not been rude. :yes A nice conversation though, better than a rage thread. :laugh

This is a big part of the reason that I started enjoying j-pop. Not necessarily because of musical differences with the west, but personality differences. I much prefer the humility of the Japanese as opposed to watching all the self congratulating behavior that you see on MTV all the time.

I love when American singers/actors come on Japanese tv shows like SMAPxSMAP and what not because it really contrasts who has the big egos more so I think than on American tv as some stars I think tend to amp up the arrogance in foreign countries. For instance, Cameron Diaz and Johnny Depp always come across as really great people and Madonna comes across with a "I'm too good to be here" type of attitude (although she seems like that most places, even though I like her).

Yeah, it really varies. Some people are really great, while others are like "why did my record label force me to come here?" Honestly quite a lot do come off as rude even without taking cultural differences into account.

Wow, this is the only statement in this thread I agree with. :(

IMO Gaga just wanted to maintain her usual act of being "schizophrenic" and that's how she is, she is only sweet with fans...

But if u notice, she had to most of the time listen to her translator when anyone else is taking in Japanese... so she will definately look spaced out... so the only way to look cool is "not to look at people"

then, when she starts talking, she was looking away as well, coz she must have tot nobody understood her... until when ayu starts responding. That's when you can see Gaga actually facing Ayu (on HQ video, you can see Gaga's eyes behind those sunnies) like colleagues chatting...

on the part about the dress... i tink she was complementing on Ayu's creative work, coz even she admits that she would have wanted that dress Ayu had on... but American stage tech just wasn't as good... LOL then again, Ayu's sense of fashion is definately much better, hands down!

lol Well, honestly, whether people think she was "rude" or not...the tone of voice she took and way she directed the conversation was not at all modest or really as "nice" as I've seen her before.

You know, It's kind of like when Gaga was interviewed by Barbara Walters, and she was like "You know, I don't take off my sunglasses for many people, but I'll do it for you." I mean, that statement is just full of hints at her personality lol

Gaga CAN be sweet and nice, and I think, it's only the closer you are to her, and the more respect she has for you, that you'll get to see the genuine side of it...and even then, her personality is still very strong, she is not modest, and she is always excited about what she is doing or has done, because it's her life.

I don't think she was particularly as comfortable as normal on the show...and I do think that her and Ayu would fare better if there werent so many people around and having to have less things translated lol but that wouldn't stop Gaga from not being humble in the way of her work. And honestly, I think Gaga paid more attention to Ayu, because of her English, and also because she was the biggest star there, she even sat closer to the hosts! lol

Someone mentioned that Gaga should have looked into the custom in Japan and acted the way they do...which, honestly, I don't agree with. I think you should, to an extent, but honestly, the Japanese think so many tiny things are rude, they need to get over it already. I would not want Gaga to feel she has to act in certain ways other than who she is, and God knows, she was probably already given a lecture a few times before she got there about what to do and what not to do.

I think, while I love her, I was never a fan of her snobby attitude sometimes, and, if you do listen and watch her interviews, she absolutely IS snobby somethings, I still think we ought to cut her a little slack, because you know what, NO ONE is perfect, and everyone has faults or flaws, or things that may not be so appealing to others...and im sure we've all been in the position of having to just "accept" certain people as they are. I think it would be good for all of us to not judge so harshly in this matter.

imo she wasn't THAT bad...but I think it was enough for the people there to realise how much of a self-promoter she is...and maybe even how much she is obsessed with her work...

This. Everything about this.

It's Gaga. If you love it, yay, if you don't, well sorry you can leave I guess...

AND YES. Just because it's "rude" the way Japan sees it, it doesn't mean that Gaga needs to change who she is just to fit into the ideal socializing custom that Japan has. Wouldn't like it if the tables were turned for Ayu, right?

I really agree. :yes The whole environment probably was just uncomfortable. Like I said, imagine being in her position. Sitting on a bench with people around you speaking a language you don't know and having a good time while you have to listen to your interpreter the best that you can is harder than we think. But, she was somewhat snobby acting anyway, and even as a Gaga fan you admitted that she acts like that alot.

Atleast she and Ayu got to interact with eachother and it wasn't like "OMG YOU'RE THE JAPANESE ***** THAT I HEARD STOLE MY STYLE!" or something! :laugh

^Ahaha.

I'm feeling that we all just repeat the same thing again and again. Don't you all guys think so? Come on guys.. It's almost 3 days ago... But I'm still looking forward to this thread :D lol

i think that's a bit of an exaggeration... ERIKA acted like a complete ******* that day.

if you think AHS is bad, you haven't seen what the GaGa fans are saying.

^Yeah im afraid to look. Havent checked the boards yet.

I thought they were both polite and seemed interested each other. Didn't get any vibe at all that they disliked each other.

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