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Yahoo! News asks: Is there too much Korean entertainment in Japan?
Yahoo! News is asking its readers to weigh in on the recent influx of Korean entertainment in Japan
"After Takaoka Sousuke criticized the Korean wave he was fired from his agency. On one side, some are saying "I don't see anything wrong with the Hanryu. It's an age of globalism," (brain scientist Ken Mogi). How do you feel about the amount of Hanryu in Japan?" Results so far show 93% of readers think there is too much, with 5% saying there's just enough, 3% not knowing and in last place, 1% saying there's not enough. http://i52.tinypic.com/30uzm1c.png source: http://polls.dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/q...v=1&typeFlag=1 about takaoka sousuke tweet scandal.. Sousuke Takaoka, a famous Japanese actor, is under fire after publicly sharing his hostility towards the Hallyu wave. On July 24th, Sousuke Takaoka shared some controversial opinions through his Twitter, saying, “I used to be indebted to Fuji TV in the past, but now I’m suspicious that they may actually be a Korean network” and “I’m questioning about what country I’m in as well”. He didn’t hold back on his feelings, as he wrote, “It offends me” and “If anything related to Korea is on broadcast, I just turn the TV off”. Sousuke explained why he felt this way with, “It troubles me because I feel like I am being brainwashed”, and “Since we’re in Japan, I would like to see Japanese programs. I get scared every time I hear the word, ‘Hallyu’”. Although it was only an opinion, the problem is that certain Japanese netizens went on to agree with Takaoka, widely sharing their critical perspective towards the Hallyu wave. Some of these netizens showed their accordance by commenting, “It’s true”, “I want to stop seeing Korean celebrities”, and “Japanese dramas are great enough. I don’t know why they need to keep showing Korean dramas’.” Korean netizens were dumbfounded and confused, as they wrote, “Korean dramas are exported and broadcast under the decisions of Japanese broadcasting companies and drama producers, but it’s a shame to see that people seem to be putting the blame on Korea”, “I’m disappointed that an actor who played the role of a Korean-Japanese immigrant said something like this”, and “Are they not thinking about Japanese dramas being played in Korea? Are they going to be annoyed by American dramas that’s airing over there as well?”. Sousuke Takaoka is a famous actor who debuted in 1999 through the drama, “Heaven’s Kiss”. In particular, he’s gained a reputation in Korea through “Pacchigi”, where he played the role of ‘Lee An Sung’, a Korean-Japanese immigrant. He is also the husband of top Japanese actress, Aoi Miyazaki... |
Judging from your sig, it looks like you're just trying to start another "JPOP IS SO MUCH BETTAR THAN KPOP" thread... but anyways.
Personally, I think there's too much kpop in Japan, and not because I'm a jpop purist or anything like that. I'm just getting really tired of my favorite kpop artists debuting in Japan. I mean, all they ever do at first is release Japanese versions of their Korean songs, so it's like... there's no new music to look forward to when they go to Japan. And not only that, but 90% of the time, their Japanese is TERRIBLE. I mean, in Dara's Japanese Hate You teaser, I would NEVER have been able to tell what she was saying if not for the subtitles on the video. I got into kpop because it was just fresh, fun, catchy pop... Which is why I've been drifting away from jpop because after 2005-2006 it kind of fell into a slump. So when kpop artists go to Japan, for me it's kind of like, you're going to the place I've been trying to get away from musically. :irked And also all the Japanese activities really take away from their Korean releases. I swear, I've ignored kpop for like a year because I got too lazy to keep up with everyone's releases, and now that I'm coming back to it, I've realized... all my favorite artists have released like only one thing in the past year, when they used to release a ton before going to Japan. :tired Anyways tl;dr I would like if Korean artists stayed in Korea and Japanese artists stayed in Japan because personally I like jpop and kpop for totally different reasons and don't want them meshed together, not because I'm one of those people who thinks "OMG KPOP ARTISTS NEED TO GTFO BECAUSE JPOP IS SO MUCH BETTER" or whatever. |
They need to go to Japan, all the money is there, so I'm not surprised.
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^ But you start flame wars. AHS doesn't approve of flame wars.
Anyway, I saw this on Arama and tbh idc. |
Yes there is, the Japanese music industry has ****ed up and they've totally allowed Kpop to monopolize the Asian music scene somehow. It's just a fad though.
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At first I didn't like it but given the current boring J-pop I'm starting to accept it and I enjoy girlbands such as KARA, Shoujo Jidai or After School. Although I still think there are too many Korean groups debuting in Japan...
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True, but we all (not just Japan) just have to deal with it for now. Even my sister and her younger friends who listen to Kpop are finding the fad to be fading quickly. They're always like, "this sounds like so and so song that came out one week ago" or something. So I guess that's what people in Japan are thinking. Too much of the same. It was enough with just a few solid groups like Kara who were actually entering Jpop as something fresh....but when the flood of generics started coming in....I guess it was too much.
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~~ In my opinion, I don't really mind the "K-Pop Wave". I actually think it's really good that so many are expanding their audiences. However, there's been a lot of stories that bands/singers are being overworked to keep their two separate fanbases happy and not being paid enough for their efforts (like KARA), so I'm more worried for the artists involved and their well-being. |
^ Okay then :). Sorry for that !
I'll delete my posts from here ~ |
I think there is too much kpop everywhere :laugh
Seriously, I don't really mind if Kpop bands go to Japan. If they go to Japan, It means that Japan is the best! I'm not really in that I love Kpop so much spirit. Because I just think there is a lot of bands that make the same music. Just let the wave come, after 2 or 3 years, Jpop'll be back in the top! |
yeah, honestly i dont mind it. i love how they're debuting in japan, and i actually do like the korean songs that are re-made in japanese. it's just interesting. i just wish there was an equal amount, like half the album is remade and then at least give us some good amount of new material. but other than that, it's fun imo. :)
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Honestly, isn't it just a question of supply and demand? Obviously they are selling well. And can there be too much of it, just because it's not japanese (or because it's korean? Idk).
If you ask me, no. You listen to what you choose. The rest is out of your hands. If there was a boom of any kind of music in my country/countries (Denmark, Sweden) I'd be happy if it was good music of course, but if it was music that I don't want to listen to, I don't. These K-pop groups to me, are just catering to what the japanese always enjoyed; less than being about good music it's about idols. How cute the girls/boys are, what they eat, their star signs etc. I think that's mostly what's causing their current boom, like how popular Morning Musume used to be. Also their songs can be damn catchy :P |
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I do personally hope KARA stays in Japan though, because their Japanese is great and almost all my favorite songs by them were either recorded first in Japanese or were remade into it. I also think SNSD's Japanese album is the greatest thing they've ever done. Forget their career in Korea if you ask me. I see no problem with a few groups in Japan, but they're seriously all going there now. I guess it makes sense though; Koreans download everything and Japan is still far more lucrative and their fans are far more supportive of artists in terms of sales, so it only makes sense that everyone would want that instead. |
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I didn't like Koreans coming to Japan beginning from BoA lol.
I hope this Korean wave HANRYU will naturally end. I'm just surprised how Kpop got so popular in Japan. For me it means only that Jpop can't satisfy audience nowadays :rolleyes I think Japanese will got tired of Kpop soon, so it will be hard to have success in Japan for Korean artists :D |
about takaoka sousuke tweet scandal,,,
Sousuke Takaoka, a famous Japanese actor, is under fire after publicly sharing his hostility towards the Hallyu wave. On July 24th, Sousuke Takaoka shared some controversial opinions through his Twitter, saying, “I used to be indebted to Fuji TV in the past, but now I’m suspicious that they may actually be a Korean network” and “I’m questioning about what country I’m in as well”. He didn’t hold back on his feelings, as he wrote, “It offends me” and “If anything related to Korea is on broadcast, I just turn the TV off”. Sousuke explained why he felt this way with, “It troubles me because I feel like I am being brainwashed”, and “Since we’re in Japan, I would like to see Japanese programs. I get scared every time I hear the word, ‘Hallyu’”. Although it was only an opinion, the problem is that certain Japanese netizens went on to agree with Takaoka, widely sharing their critical perspective towards the Hallyu wave. Some of these netizens showed their accordance by commenting, “It’s true”, “I want to stop seeing Korean celebrities”, and “Japanese dramas are great enough. I don’t know why they need to keep showing Korean dramas’.” Korean netizens were dumbfounded and confused, as they wrote, “Korean dramas are exported and broadcast under the decisions of Japanese broadcasting companies and drama producers, but it’s a shame to see that people seem to be putting the blame on Korea”, “I’m disappointed that an actor who played the role of a Korean-Japanese immigrant said something like this”, and “Are they not thinking about Japanese dramas being played in Korea? Are they going to be annoyed by American dramas that’s airing over there as well?”. Sousuke Takaoka is a famous actor who debuted in 1999 through the drama, “Heaven’s Kiss”. In particular, he’s gained a reputation in Korea through “Pacchigi”, where he played the role of ‘Lee An Sung’, a Korean-Japanese immigrant. He is also the husband of top Japanese actress, Aoi Miyazaki... |
I can understand where some of the Japanese are coming from. I live in Canada, where there are a large number of immigrants, so there is a lot of foreign stuff around. Yes, I do get annoyed when its like one culture is taking over, but in the end I am glad for the mix. It keeps life interesting. So what if there are a lot of Korean programs on TV? Don't like, don't watch. Simple as that. Although I think that having other countries programs are good for learning about and accepting other cultures, I do think that there needs to be some moderation, so perhaps that is why some Japanese are annoyed? But, I don't live in Japan, so I don't know just how big the Korean Wave is there.
What I really don't get is how non-Japanese people would be annoyed. I see that some posted reasons such as halting releases and over-working celebrities, but for those who just say that there is too much Korean stuff in Japan, why is that? I see someone posted that BoA was too much :S |
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I can imagine how it's really strange when you turn on TV and there's only Korean people acting, dancing, singing... Poor one, he's now suspended from his agency ~.~ |
TBH nothing is wrong with kpop in Japan.
If the Japanese artists are still topping the charts, its shouldnt be a problem. Theyre not making anything in Korea so they might as well go to Japan. And to the Jpop fans that says that kpop needs to go back to their country, ugggh just stop, you dont even live in Japan. |
I'm tired of K-pop trying to enter the Japanese market when they don't really try to make themselves stand out. It's only for money and all they're doing is regurgitating Japanese versions of their Korean songs.
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It seems like every other week there's a new group attempting to debut in Japan.
I love K-Pop, but what really bothers me most of the time is that these groups are thrown out in Japan and they don't even know the language at all, and when they sing it, they make it sound like a different language all together (see the Japanese version of 2NE1's I Am The Best). Japan does have the 2nd biggest market for music in the world right? And South Korea is somewhere between 12 and 15. Most of these companies shipping their artists off to Japan make more money by releasing a single in Japan then they do releasing 30040 albums and mini-albums in Korea. It basically seems like they're in it for a quick buck, in my opinion. |
I thought we couldn't really put it into words except we're truly a Japanese. Even until now both countries still have hatred toward each other, so it's not that surprising to find some people will be hostile, they had their rights to do so it's their country.
On Sousuke's case, bluntly saying things with a negative intention even subtle is not a good way to put your thoughts across plus it's on twitter which is public. He should thought wisely first before tweeting, the same goes for Max Matsuura. Personally I don't mind having Korean artist on Japan BUT not this much, it's like a bombard but not every arrow hit the target successfully. It's just bringing the original KPop war to Japan. I prefer Kpop singers come to Japan as a foreign artist imo but it's just nice to see my faves speak in Japanese that I feel I could relate to them. On the bright side it means that Japan's market is more profitable than Korea, Japan still wins btw. Oh yes, and to the thread starter I love the way you bring flames here, way to go. Just wait until some unnecessary KPop-JPop controversies on the net and you'll put it here for updating us with how much those two fandom clashes when you could just let it slide and share it on your own little circle :) just trying to say that these kind of things are never a great idea to begin with It's almost never occurred in here when you saw some KPop-pro members or Kpop-antis start threads just to take down each other, if we could just idc and be cool about it there's no need to be 'hostile' toward each other isn't it? |
I'm just gonna say, I really disagree when people say there is ever "too much" of something.
Like, if it were something where, all the tv music stations or something were collaborating and deciding to only show all the Korean groups or whatever, then yeah, maybe I would say, there's "too much". But I dont think it's really a rigged effort...I mean, it's natural that they're going to try to make it in Japan, where the companies are bigger and have more resources, and it's natural that, if the Japanese public shows a strong liking for the kpop groups, then they're going to be more willing to sign them all over. I don't think that there could ever be "too much" of something, when it's the people calling for it. Kpop groups, no matter what people think of them, only make the Jpop scene more colorful, and diverse. And I think, it might be trendy right now, but it'll balance out. The industry always balances itself out. |
Fore someone who has been in Japan for 3 years, before the Korean wave took hold, Japan's entertainment industry has changed dramatically.
It would be as if in a period of several months, American television started replacing normal television on every channel with Mexican and Spanish speaking dramas with subtitles. While yes, there are many people that would enjoy this, it would obviously piss a lot of people off. The argument that "They air American dramas blah blah blah" is really petty. Yes, they air American dramas, at like 2 in the morning for an hour or two. Most people watch drama's by choice through DVD's, or they pay for cable and watch dedicated stations that air American dramas. They aren't being showed in prime time and American actors, actresses and singers are not constantly in your face. Stars come for like a week, record shows which are aired for a week or two, and then they are gone until the next year. If anything, Lady Gaga is the only American singer who has a lot of major promotion here, and it's nothing compared to Korean entertainment here currently. The percentage of people who like Korean stuff is still pretty small. The amount of artists debuting and presence of Korean stars makes it look as if everyone in Japan is loving it, but it's not the case. A lot of Japanese people are really tired of it. Like for example, the TSUTAYA near my house moved the domestic releases behind Kpop. I had to walk past Kpop to get to the current Japanese releases. |
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What is wrong with KPop in JPN? They make money there, so what's wrong? Plus (not meaning to start a flame war this is my opinion), most K-Pop has been better than most J-Pop for the past 5 or so years. Yeah, rip me to pieces if you want to, but that is my opinion. If you don't like it, to quote Linzerdinzer Quote:
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Plus, what the K-Pop groups make in a week in Japan is equivalent to a year in Korea. So it's obvious this is for money. And to the person who said all they do is remake their songs, MBLAQ, KARA, and Girls' Generation would like to talk to you kthxbai. Oh and 2PM and SHINee now.
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And also the whole drama has more to do with the strong hatred between those countries (and China too), a reflex of a lot of historic incidents, than anything else... I still hear a lot of really racist remarks against chinese, korean or japanese when I talk to someone from one of those cultures or even to western people who lived on any of those countries... |
As long as the Hallyu wave reaches Europe someday, I don't really care~
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^ Oh, okay. :laugh Cause the way you worded that phrase reminded me of the way I worded mine.
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Yeah, the songs they use to promote them is regurgitated versions of their Korean songs. And I'm not interested enough to look into their discography especially if I don't like the artists. The first impression you get of them lasts, and that's what they did, regurgitate their Korean songs.
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Sure, at first they do that (MBLAQ is the exception, their first single was all original Japanese songs) but after a single or two they start poppin' out original Japanese tracks. And tbh that first impression doesn't stick with me. I don't assume everything they're gonna release is gonna be a language remake :laugh But whatever.
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Yeah, songs with badly accented Japanese. Not going to do it for me. I just stick to the Korean for my artists.
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yesterday japanese protest to fuji tv happened where they turn off fuji tv to down hill their rating because showing too much korean program....
around 2000 people gathered infront of fuji tv station....in odaiba... http://i55.tinypic.com/14k9zic.jpg |
^source please?
Also, I think like what Andrenekoi said...Japanese and Korea have HISTORY, to say the least :tired I really don't think that no matter how popular a group is, they'll never be as "welcome" as a homegrown group...and that's going to balance stuff out a little bit too..as far as exposure... |
You know, since I am danish...I know all about the love/hate relationship between Denmark and Sweden. We've been the same country once, we've been at each other's throats for centuries and we just...generally hate each other, but also like each other for our similarities and the little quirks that differs.
I'd say that on danish public service tv, they broadcast maybe 10-20% (at least) swedish television. And from what I've seen it is the same on swedish public service tv, maybe even a little bit more from time to time. Also there is music from Denmark being popular in Sweden even though it's in danish and vice versa. We're reminded every day of each other's excistence. Possibly (and most likely) the relationship between Korea and Japan is different and a bit more hostile maybe. I guess what I want to say is, I can see where the japanese protesters and the people in Japan who are fed up are coming from, but then again. Maybe if 70% of all music on the radio in Denmark would've been swedish back when I didn't know swedish I would've been a bit like "wth", but things like those are just a phase. And as far as I understand, Fuji Television is a public service and so none of the their tax money are funding these korean programs. Which makes me just want to say: "Just change the damn channel and watch something else." |
^I don't about Sweden and Denmark history, but Korea and Japan are pretty recent, some dating from World War II to nowadays... So, even if the younger didn't live those things, they were raised by people who did...
All the sentiment is pretty fresh |
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It's still a lame excuse to be that outraged by something so silly, imo. We've been slaughtering each other for ages and today we just don't care anymore. I'm sorry if this will upset some people, but it really seems to me that many japanese people don't like anything foreign 'invading' their country and culture. They feel threatened almost, by something so insignificant. |
^ I think that statement probably applies to every country.
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And there's also that whole thing that no one's mentioned about how xenophobic Korea itself can be. It works both ways. I'm not trying to start an argument with that, but I've noticed it to be true. It happens with every country it seems. |
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I think Kanzaki had a valid point. Korea and Japan aren't the first to have this "clash" of music; which in my opinion is a topic that is way out of proportion. To me it's not a big deal. Maybe it is to those that really follow Korean bands and singers and vice versa, but let people release where they want. Maybe some are just following the wave, maybe some artists just want to earn more money; whatever the reason "we are free to go anywhere we want" ;) :laugh
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I think it's just really loud minority when it comes to not wanting Korean music and other stuff though. |
I'm whatever with it since I don't listen to a lot of kpop (Same with Jpop, I guess). But honestly, there are too many idol groups (both sides) that I lost track on who is who. ^^;;
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TBH those entertainment agencies are producing way too manyyyyyyy idols that I think that if you travel to Korea in the future, you will see idols everywhere you go LOL.
and it wouldn't be possible to stop the hallyu wave in Japan since she's near Korea haha! I think most of the youngsters in Japan can remember those korean bands and entertainers by heart alr XD Wonder if the korean peeps follow Japanese entertainers hahah! Anyway I was always wondering why Ayumi haven't held a full scale concert in Korea =/ |
I like K-pop, but this is just for money, seriously if they want to make a debut in japan, they need practice and learn the basic of the language, because sometimes with a lot of k-pop groups, they look like desperate.
And if the japanese people support them, they will be in japan of course. |
I don't mind at all that Korean bands or singers migrate to Japan to further their careers. To me there is no problem with KPOP in Japan. I think its a natural progression for them since Japan is the second largest musical industry behind the U.S. Why not and their popularity as more bands continue to follow in the footsteps of BoA and DBSK show that it is welcomed with open arms for the most part. AND if not necessarily welcome with open arms it is pretty much accepted despite the poll given from YAHOO news. (Do we even know the demographics of poll takers??? For all we know it could be older generations, etc etc. That needs to be put into consideration.) I think if you don't live in Korea or Japan, you don't really have a right to complain (for those that are) that there is too much KPOP in JPOP or that its annoying. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Yeah? I wonder, if KPOP or JPOP stars started migrating to Europe or America for and English career, would you think its annoying or too much when a Japanese wave or 'hallyu wave' one right after the other furthers outward with English versions and English careers?
I can understand that they (KPOP artists) will debut with Japanese versions of their hit songs, okay fine. It seems really trendy now with KPOP groups deciding to debut in Japan... its really rare though not unheard of to debut in China too lets not forget. Its not new, but it really has come on strong the last year or two. However I would like that once they debut with one or a couple of their original-hits-turned-Japanese-singles that they really do their best to have their own separate entity or identity as a group in Japan from Korea. Basically meaning, all new material. Not that the artists don't do that, but I would like to see more of it. Releasing Japanese versions of their hit songs once in a while to me is not a big deal. (Sometimes like in DBSK's case; back in the day I enjoyed some of their Japanese versions better than the original Korean ones.) To see them immerse themselves into the Japanese sound would be nice because we all know JPOP has its own formulas and sounds no matter how much western influence there is, etc. Its definitely not the same as KPOP. Because of that, since KPOP is so different, fresh I think that is why it is really big and a lot of Korean groups are able to make the jump into the market there because my guess is that Japanese do want some variation or something fresh sounding. (Though honestly I don't think its just Japanese wanting variation or something different or fresh. The hallyu wave has hit everywhere in different degrees) With JPOP, to me and maybe others who have been listening to Japanese music for years, these last few or more years has really hit a decline. The quality is no longer there; not what it used to be. Sure I still follow my favorite singers but I rarely check out emerging artists or other bands I'm unfamiliar with because the music is so generic or it isn't ear catching to me to want to invest time to listen to their work. Of course it won't always be this way. It is an opportunity to bring JPOP back to its top quality and sound with all these KPOP artists crossing over right? If the industry wants to see it in a good light, they can use it as inspiration or motivation.. to rise back. You can agree or disagree with me that's fine. As far as the making money comments. So what? Have you ever thought that maybe these bands, the people in them really love what they do and want to perform more and if crossing over to Japan allows them to sing and dance more; maybe that is what they want as people too? We all know that making the rounds in Korea with promotions for albums/mini albums/singles are SHORT time limited. Promotions don't last as long as Japan or even America. Right? It feels like there is a build up til a release, promotion starts and just as it started a few weeks later, they end promotions till they comeback at a later time with completely new material. I don't really feel they get to savor as artists into their releases as other countries do since promotions are short and fast. No matter how often bands make their comeback, its always pushing for the next release, you know what I mean? So Sure the money aspect will always be there, those advancements and opportunities. If you were in their shoes you wouldn't say no either! Lets be real about that. So don't hate. Everyone wants to make money no matter what your goals in life are and how they vary. |
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And yeah, I agree with you guys who are saying kpop isn't really fresh anymore. Two or three years ago, it was very fresh and exciting, but now the songs and groups are just repeating the same format over and over. I still like it, but I feel like the current ~title tracks~ are more like songs that would have been single/mini album/album fillers a few years ago. Also, you guys, not all kpop sounds exactly the same. There are definitely a lot of "smaller" groups who have less standout songs and all seem similar. And while electropop, dance, autotune, hip-hop, and rap definitely dominate... there is still a lot of really different sounding stuff within that. BIGBANG's stuff sounds totally different from Super Junior's. SNSD, 2NE1, T-ara, etc. all have really different styles from each other. And then there's like 2PM, who does dance-y hip-hop type stuff, while 2AM does ballads. So it's not like... every single kpop song by every single kpop group sounds like every other one. There's still variety in there. |
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Regretfully it is mainstream KPop that draws the whole face of Hallyu wave. It's true but as Kpop fans here say so many times like emiko there are a whole different music beneath the mainstream piles in the KPop ocean. Those are more music-worthy imo if you always picture KPop as colorless aut-tune repetitive world. |
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I totally agree that kpop isn't as fresh as it used to be when I first started listening, but that's mostly because of all the new groups debuting and trying to succeed by doing whatever popular groups did and flopping hard. Not all kpop groups sound the same just because they all happen to be idols :yes Oh and I wish we could do another "Kpop introduction/recommendation" thread here :heart I remember that someone asked me to do a guide or something like that, I kinda forgot about the idea but if anyone wants to help me make one it'd be awesome :laugh |
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It's such a lame excuse for K-Pop bashers. Thanks for your post, this topic needed it~ |
Lately I've been seen threads like this quite often here and I just don't understand what's the big deal. I personally love K-pop very much. Actually, I'm listening to MBLAQ right now when I write these sentences and see no similarities with anything. I've been listening to MBLAQ almost non-stop for two weeks now (That little BIG BANG play-day yesterday doesn't count). K-pop can be great.
And I confess that I used to hate it back in 2008-2009 just because it was from Korea. Then my friends made me listen some songs in early 2010 and I thought it's not so bad. Later that year I became a k-pop fan and it's no shame. But it makes me very angered at times when people say it sucks. It's just music. You don't have to listen if you don't like it. It's that simple lol. :D And more than that, if you hate them releasing japanese remakes of their korean songs, don't listen those remakes. Listen only new material. I decided to do that after I got tired with 4minute's endless japanese remakes and stopped downloading those. If I download, I only download the new stuff (if there is) because korean versions are always better. And you're all worried about how much K-pop is present in Japan...? Well, I remember someone from a Korean record label said they could invade western music market in 1-2 years onwards lol. :luv2 |
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Also, I really don't think that there's any hope of Asian artists ever having successful careers in the west. Utada, BoA, Wonder Girls, Se7en, etc. have proven this with their failed attempts to start careers in the US. And Americans (I don't know about Europeans, lol) just don't care about idol groups. They're not going to give groups that will just be considered the "Asian Spice Girls" or "Asian Backstreet Boys" any kind of chance. Not to mention, Koreans seem to be totally blind/ignorant to the fact that music is promoted differently in South Korea than in other countries. Take for example SNSD's album being announced like 10 days before it was released, and 2NE1 releasing 10 second teasers for their release, which is something that's really not done in Japan. |
Well, will.i.am is producing 2NE1, and 2NE1 has a lot of "swag" lol. I can honestly see them doing quite well if they promote VERY well. Same with "Jay Park". He could've had an American debut because damn his English is flawless (I'm aware he's lived in the states for a while lol) and if he does everything right, he could do well. Utada, BoA and SE7EN all faced horrible promotion. That was all. Wonder Girls are still trying, but idk they're just not making it. But I have faith 2NE1 will do pretty good.
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If you don't live in Japan and don't actually feel the full effect of the Hallyu wave then what the hell are you complaining for? More so than Domestic fans, International fans have the option to completely ignore any artist we don't want anything to do with. There are plenty of artists that dominate the charts that I haven't heard a single song by or even know what they look like because I don't want to and I'm positive the situation is the same for the foreign K-pop haters. So unless what they're actually mad about is seeing Korean artists topping the charts over their favorite J-artists then I don't see why it should concern anyone who isn't living in Japan. I'm really disappointed to see such strong reactions against something that I personally think is wonderful. Not K-pop invading J-pop per se but I would kill to see a "British invasion" type thing happen again in the States only this time with Asian artists instead of British ones. But then again, that's because I love Asian music, if I didn't care for it I dunno how I would feel to see them dominating music pro-- oh wait, I do know. I wouldn't feel a thing since Music programs are pretty much dead here anyway. RIP MTV. :roflmao |
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But I am still very much hoping 2NE1 has a hit and possibly gets big. CL and Bom both obviously have great English and their sound is very current, so I think if anyone has a chance it's them. |
is sad to see all Korean artist are debuting in Japan, still they won't be #1 on oricon chart for enough time...
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The problem, I feel, with non-American singers trying to make it in the US is that, unless they are from the UK or Canada they are just seen as "that weird foreign group". Tokio Hotel, Aqua, they were never major hits, they just had a fairly large fanbase in North America, but not enough to promote them to the stardom level of someone like Britney Spears. They were more a fad thing. That's not to say that no non-American could make it or has made it, but they are fewer in numbers than domestic singers. |
^Totally forgot about them! They're so awful I generally try to forget they exist lol.
But I think with it hard enough for Asian-Americans to succeed in the music industry, it makes it that so much harder for foreign artists from Asia with limited English ability. |
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For me, I feel the only way that an Asian band to make it big here in North America, is to have a totally North Americanized sound, not promote themselves as being a foreign band, have flawless English, and working with someone well-known and current in the North American music industry. And even then, there is no guarantee. |
It just doesn't make sense to get upset about it. The Korean artists aren't hurting anyone, people obviously like them enough to boost their sales to high levels, and a lot of them HAVE credited JPop artists with influencing them. There isn't an artist on this planet that hasn't credited someone else with influencing them, so getting upset about such a thing is pointless.
Clearly JPop artists don't have an issue with it because they've been collaborating with KPop artists for years. SMH. |
K-Pop is so generic it's not even funny. Sometimes I do like how catchy some K-Pop songs can be, but the lyrics of most K-Pop songs are just as meaningless as they were 10 years ago (remember SES, GOD, HOT, etc.?). Still, I like K-Pop for what it is - meaningless, catchy music.
It was just a matter of time that the Japanese would get tired of seeing some Korean music act on TV. I'm getting a bit tired of seeing them, too. I listen to K-Pop when I want to listen to K-Pop, not some mediocre derivative of it in Japanese. And yes, their Japanese skills are AWFUL. I can barely understand what some of them are saying or singing. I still have no idea what some of the SNSD girls are singing in the Japanese version of "Gee" or "GENIE." Same goes for any Big Bang song. This isn't the first time I've seen an anti-Hallyu movement, though. There was a manga that expressed anti-Hallyu sentiment back in 2005, and I remember it sold really well. History repeats itself. |
I think a lot of people are getting all "Japan needs to get over it" about all this, but really, truly, Jpop/Japanese entertainment would never become popular in Korea to this extent, not because of quality or whatever, but because Korea would never want it/allow it, and if by chance it slipped through, you can bet yourselves there'd be drama.
If anything, Japan was being the tolerant ones. It's just gotten to the point where -everything- is Korean. Korean cosmetics/skin care, chain restaurants all having korean food, magazines, drama, music, movies, commercials. It's much more than what a lot of people outside of Japan can fathom. |
Since everyone is talking about this, I have a question; are artists invited to sing on shows like Music station and the like or are their appearances arranged through their own agencies? There is a Kpop group Im thinking of that hasn't had Kara's or SNSD's success that was on Music station recently and that has me wondering.
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Like I said, I have no idea how I'd react to seeing everything I know suddenly dominated by a foreign country (would that be the right way to phrase it? lol). If it's just the music than I don't see an issue but stretching as far as other media outlets, products, food, etc. than I'd imagine it would become very frustrating to people especially knowing that other country wouldn't allow the same to happen in turn. Even if this thread was started by someone looking for flame wars, it IS an intriguing topic. Anyone else living Japan care to add to this? |
I just don't think that all these people should be protesting at a TV station :rolleyes How 'bout helping the Tsunami victims instead?
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^ Right ? What's so hard about changing the channel :rolleyes ?
They should put all this effort and time on a worthy cause imo |
I'm actually on both sides of this
I like K-Pop (I'm listening to 2NE1 right now) and I also love J-Pop so I'm quite happy to see K-Pop in Japan (plus I understand Japanese more than I understand Korean lolol) But I'm also annoyed to see Japanese artists I love and who I know have struggled to get any recognition being put second best cuz some group from Korea (who to be perfectly honest aren't all that great) are popular PURELY for the fact that they are Korean. Yeah be popular based on your achievements and the music you make not just cuz you're from a certain country (I also have the same issue with AKB48 seriously just cuz a girl is in that group doesn't make her good -_-') |
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fuji tv is one of the biggest nation tv in japan.. n japanese think that they overplaying these hallyu wave out of portion n they want to watch their own program instead of watching those people who even not really fluently saying some words in japanese.. and what will u do if ur favorite tv channel fulled by program that u dont want to watch...they just want their rights as a consumer audience... japanese is known for their nationalism since a long time ago... |
I think K-Pop in general is suffering since so many groups are going to Japan trying to cash into the market. Secret, SHINee, After School, SNSD, KARA, and various other groups are all now in Japan; they're not releasing anything new in Korea. I wonder if they'll have the same popularity when they get back to Korea. They can't honestly expect to stay in Japan forever. Even Japanese groups don't stay popular for that long. Just look at Morning Musume.
I know, though, that eventually Japan will get so sick of Korean groups that the hype will die down. It's already happening to an extent, although I didn't expect it to be this soon. |
^ Yeah it sucks that these groups are staying in Japan instead of making new music in Korea :(. SNSD and KARA are both coming back in Korea next month though, and they're still as popular as ever there. My only concern is the health of the girls, their schedules are crazy right now :no
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In the middle east we have something similar to the Hallyu .. Except it's with Turkish dramas that got super popular in the past couple of years. Most channels air them on a regular basis but there was this one channel that airs three different dramas every single day. A lot of people (me included) don't like watching them. But the thing is, it was just one channel, and a lot of people liked tuning in to them everyday and they weren't really hurting anyone. So did we go to the tv station and wasted our time to complain about something we don't like ? No. No one is forcing these people to watch these shows, and I'm sure Japan has a lot of different channels other than Fuji TV. If they don't like it they can watch something else or just turn off the TV and go outside and get some fresh air :) |
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Maybe this korean wave of music and programs is a good thing. Perhaps it'll teach Japan to let in other countries a little bit and not be so secluded. And if you don't like it or it becomes too much? Don't buy it, change the channel, walk away. It's not like korean militia is invading. You have a choice. The protesting imo is just so over the top. You can't be that sensitive. Especially with a non-public service channel. If their tax money had been going to Fuji tv's employees paychecks, then it would've been a bit different. |
Appearantly there are more reasons to protest on Fuji TV other than the KPop thing
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^ Numbers 7, 8 and 9 are really interesting..... o.o
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What is this I can't even
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I was interested in the subliminal messaging, and so I googled a bit...
http://ogisuke01.exblog.jp/14976582/ You can see two pictures at this site. One is a scene from Sazae-san, a very Japanese anime, with a poster of Dong Bang Shinki in the back. The second picture is a news show that has symbols resembling the Korean flag in the background of the set. There's also a picture here: http://google7.blog88.fc2.com/blog-entry-1373.html It says "Karaメール" instead of "空メール" (kara mail). The Kanji is pronounced kara, meaning empty, but it would never be written out like that. I've only ever seen it use the Kanji. (kara mail is used when Joining mobile sites and stuff, you send an empty message and get an automatic reply and fill out stuff) There are also a few pictures here: http://blog.livedoor.jp/professor101...s/1521605.html Most notable is the one with the woman with the tree and ribbons behind her. It was celebrating Tanabata, which has people write their wishes on paper and tie it to branches. In that shot, it says "I want to have beautiful legs like Shoujo Jidai" and "I want to be able to go to KARA's concert" There's also a picture where it asked different age groups what their favorite Nabe ingredient is (a one-pot meal that boils various vegetables and such) and amongst all the groups, kimchee was the number 1 choice, which is a bit...strange. While this isn't impossible, it's unlikely. |
That's not subliminal messaging so much as product placement... I mean that's like saying a guy obviously eating a bag of m&ms in a movie is subliminal messaging, but it's not really.
The Karaメール one is kind of weird, but then it doesn't seem THAT weird. Edit: Actually, I don't really think it's exactly product placement but I don't think it's subliminal messaging either. O_o |
They also complained that foreign ownership of FujiTV is now at 28%, and in Japan foreign ownership of broadcast television networks can't exceed 20%.
http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/08/09...ainst-fuji-tv/ |
I think the concerns of the protesters do have some basis because undeniably something *is* going on but it's probably not as malevolent as they're making it out to be.
Most likely, and as always when it comes to business, the phenomenon is motivated solely by money: Korean entertainment is cheap to produce and license and is of relatively high quality and that's why the Japanese entertainment industry is so quick to procure and endorse it. But like all fads, the novelty will eventually wear off and oversaturation will kill it. What I'm actually more interested in is to see what the after effects of the Hallyu Wave is going to be once the fad is dead. Korean culture is different from Japanese culture so will the Japanese music industry absorb and adapt any of these "new" sounds, styles, and attitudes and create something different from current JPop or will they just become further entrenched in the styles they have now? :shrug |
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There are a few things that bother me about KPOP and KDrama both in Japan and in general, but I'm not living in Japan or Korea, so whatever I don't like I can ignore. In all honesty, there's also a couple things I don't like in Japanese stuff and even a little in American stuff I don't like as well. So I just enjoy what I like and ignore what I don't. Simple as that.
Also, I'm not really all that interested in most girl groups and boy bands at all. In KPOP, I'm still listening to solo artists for the most part. Same with CPOP, JPOP, British pop and American music as well. In many countries, I barely pay attention to the industry in all honesty. There's just not a lot of newer artists coming out these days from anywhere that really excites me, so I'm usually just sticking to the artists I was already into. |
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