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yukito 5th January 2012 11:47 AM

A CLIP BOX 1998-2011 on DVD & Blu-ray (01.01.2012) ~III~
 
New thread!!!
Just watched M in HD and I must say that it does look a tad better then it's DVD counterpart. The audio is much more clear as well. Can't wait to watch more recent ones. *__*

Didz-19 5th January 2012 01:59 PM

Yeah!!!!!!!!!

title156 5th January 2012 03:34 PM

I got it and I was shocked that most of PVs are upscaled even Love songs and Last angel *cry*. I think the real HD PVs are only FIVE PVs. (Not so sure because I have no time to compare all of them with DVD) Anyway, the package is super beautiful and this is my first Ayu's PV boxset since I'm not own the old one. I'm satisfied. :)

henrique 5th January 2012 03:52 PM

even Love songs are upscale? hard to be believe....

avex is ##xx##xx

ExodusUK 5th January 2012 03:57 PM

omg even the love songs pv?? What a waste the blu-ray version is, people can just buy the dvd version and upscale them using a blu-ray player.

A-TeensFan 5th January 2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by title156 (Post 2799320)
I got it and I was shocked that most of PVs are upscaled even Love songs and Last angel *cry*. I think the real HD PVs are only FIVE PVs. (Not so sure because I have no time to compare all of them with DVD) Anyway, the package is super beautiful and this is my first Ayu's PV boxset since I'm not own the old one. I'm satisfied. :)

whaaaaattttt? even PVs from Love Songs are upscaled??? oh dear, i'm pretty sure all of them are shot in HD (proofs can be found in making ofs). GREEDY Avex just couldn't get their lazy asses up and re-render the videos in HD. thanks God i cancel my order in time. why waste $300 when i can easily upscale those videos myself and i even had her all her single videos in pretty good HD upscaled (That Ayumi 50th single special show on M-ON HD a while ago).

Ayufan11 5th January 2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-TeensFan (Post 2799332)
whaaaaattttt? even PVs from Love Songs are upscaled??? oh dear, i'm pretty sure all of them are shot in HD (proofs can be found in making ofs). GREEDY Avex just couldn't get their lazy asses up and re-render the videos in HD. thanks God i cancel my order in time. why waste $300 when i can easily upscale those videos myself and i even had her all her single videos in pretty good HD upscaled (That Ayumi 50th single special show on M-ON HD a while ago).

We get it. You're happy you cancelled your order.:yes I'm happy I'm receiving my order. :yes

ohsixthirty 5th January 2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayufan11 (Post 2799335)
We get it. You're happy you cancelled your order.:yes I'm happy I'm receiving my order. :yes

Me too! I can't wait!

Pieces_of_SEVEN 5th January 2012 05:35 PM

I really wish people weren't uploading this. It's so expensive and we already have the PVs in DVD quality. If people really want the blu ray quality, they should buy it.

ohsixthirty 5th January 2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 2799370)
I really wish people weren't uploading this. It's so expensive and we already have the PVs in DVD quality. If people really want the blu ray quality, they should buy it.

well, i think its one thing if you can't afford it or can't play it or something, but to those who are complaining about it or cancelled their orders because they were unhappy with it, then no, those people should be banned from downloading it. :grumpy

ExodusUK 5th January 2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 2799370)
I really wish people weren't uploading this. It's so expensive and we already have the PVs in DVD quality. If people really want the blu ray quality, they should buy it.

It's not blu-ray quality tho lol

elaniel 5th January 2012 05:47 PM

It was waiting at home for me! So Happy :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/14vprmb.jpg

About to have a look to see what the quality is like... I'll let you guys know my opinion.

henrique 5th January 2012 05:52 PM

thats the cenario avex release Anation only in dvd since we alredy have it in Tv version 1080i for free, but even so always will be who buy it....

we have to complaim not the opposite

clover_bali 5th January 2012 06:11 PM

How about the sales? And oricon chart about this released?

toniayu 5th January 2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayufan11 (Post 2799335)
We get it. You're happy you cancelled your order.:yes I'm happy I'm receiving my order. :yes

yes!!!!:yes
When this was announced i was really angry because it was unnecessary/expensive.But i have noticed that this is really amazing,having all the PVs in blu-ray quality in a very gorgeous box and limited edition is amazing!!!luxurious,i feel really happy and proud to own this amazing collection.
I called DHL,i'm getting next week :( but at least i'll have it in my shelf next week *O*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 2799370)
I really wish people weren't uploading this. It's so expensive and we already have the PVs in DVD quality. If people really want the blu ray quality, they should buy it.

Kinda feel the same...if someday i can't buy her albums/singles i would like that someone upload them,but as you said this is really expensive privilege

yukito 5th January 2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toniayu (Post 2799386)
Kinda feel the same...if someday i can't buy her albums/singles i would like that someone upload them,but as you said this is really expensive privilege

What privilege? It's just a compilation of PV's, what's so wrong about sharing stuff just because it was expensive? I would be so glad to share anything someone would have wanted that I had, no matter the price.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 5th January 2012 06:27 PM

^how nice for you.

Ayufan11 5th January 2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukito (Post 2799395)
What privilege? It's just a compilation of PV's, what's so wrong about sharing stuff just because it was expensive? I would be so glad to share anything someone would have wanted that I had, no matter the price.

Do you mind sharing some of your $$$? :yes:D:innocent

title156 5th January 2012 06:31 PM

I'm glad that everyone who recieved their box are happy with them :D

Here's my lovely ♥
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7413/12copyxk.jpg

toniayu 5th January 2012 06:31 PM

@yukito I support to upload,but i spent so much money on this and i don't think is fair that you get it for free.And this doesn't mean that i'm angry when you download it,on the contrary i'm happy because you have what you want.Is only that is not fair...

@title156 I didn't receive my box yet,but i'm happy.I'll have it next week ^_^

perfectodub 5th January 2012 06:34 PM

but if you think about it..is not the same whatching DVD discs (mpg2 compressed video) in your BR player...than this upscale but m2ts minimus compressed files
maybe you got not a clear HD file....but at least not a compressed file

Pieces_of_SEVEN 5th January 2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toniayu (Post 2799404)
@yukito I support to upload,but i spent so much money on this and i don't think is fair that you get it for free.And this doesn't mean that i'm angry when you download it,on the contrary i'm happy because you have what you want.Is only that is not fair...

@title156 I didn't receive my box yet,but i'm happy.I'll have it next week ^_^

you said it much nicer than I could have. lol thanks

It's funny though...people who are able to download a 125gb file (meaning they have the internet connection and hard drive space), should be able to afford the box if they really wanted to. lol

toniayu 5th January 2012 06:44 PM

^you're welcome ;) hahaha

elaniel 5th January 2012 07:08 PM

Well, I'm currently working through the box. Being honest all the PV's from the A Song for XX and Loveppears era look no better than the DVD counterparts. Even some of the dirt in the picture is still there.

Later PV's are a bit odd. Some look very good (is this LOVE?) almost as if they've been touched up (and are significantly better than the DVD's). Then PV's like fairyland look like an upscale again. It's obvious some of these videos were recorded on significantly better equipment than others.

I'm adamant Green is in HD (Maybe not 1080i though). It looks a HUGE sight better than any of the DVD versions I own. The picture is much brighter and a lot more detail pops. The LOVE Story videos do look a bit soft, but again look very good (It'll sound funny but the detail on Mannie's beard is a lot more detailed)

I'd say it's worth the upgrade if you are a huge Ayu fan and have expendable income as the picture quality of all the PV's are significantly better than the DVD's after the first 2 albums worth. I'd give the picture quality a 7/10.

If anyone was expecting these to be 1080P and a 10/10 picture quality, they really are fooling themselves as music videos simply aren't recorded that way (nor the costs to fully upgrade them. You would be talking about a box set costing well over twice the price)

One final note: The audio quality is much better as well on most PV's post- Whatever. Last Angel you can even hear the echoes in her foot steps in the parking garage. They've certainly made the audio top-notch.

Alexander 5th January 2012 08:43 PM

I made a screenshot comparison. You can see difference between DVD and BD.
DVD was upscaled in MPC-HC.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/101231

Alexander 5th January 2012 09:43 PM

One more screenshot comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/101240
As you can see, BD picture is better than DVD!

Pieces_of_SEVEN 5th January 2012 10:00 PM

Why the F is my package still in Japan if it's supposed to be delivered tomorrow? I know there's still time for it to get here, but...smh

ohsixthirty 5th January 2012 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 2799410)
you said it much nicer than I could have. lol thanks

It's funny though...people who are able to download a 125gb file (meaning they have the internet connection and hard drive space), should be able to afford the box if they really wanted to. lol

well, one of the many reasons why i wanted this is because i can finally delete all of Ayu's PVs off my computer and stop wasting all that space!

yabieru 5th January 2012 10:09 PM

So... it's fair, good, beautiful and magical download any album, DVD or leaked song even if it affects the sales. Who cares the sales? Let's spread leaked things! But it's sooooooo unfair, terrible and illuminatti download a compilation of videos which everybody already saw, but with a ~cuestionable~ marvellous quality and """""""exclusive and never seen footage""""""" only because is very expensive.....

AHS ~Hipocrisy is ALL~ xDD

elaniel 5th January 2012 10:15 PM

People don't seem to be saying that the fact downloading something like this boxset is illegal and does not support the artist. If everyone had that mentality, artists wouldn't release anything new as it would seem no one listened to the artist as they don't sale anything.

It's fair enough that you can't afford the box, but justifying it by using that as an excuse to download it is wrong in my opinion. If it's to sample something, that's okay in my opinion, but to download something with no intention of trialling it before making a purchase is not right.

Ayufan11 5th January 2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799424)
Well, I'm currently working through the box. Being honest all the PV's from the A Song for XX and Loveppears era look no better than the DVD counterparts. Even some of the dirt in the picture is still there.

Later PV's are a bit odd. Some look very good (is this LOVE?) almost as if they've been touched up (and are significantly better than the DVD's). Then PV's like fairyland look like an upscale again. It's obvious some of these videos were recorded on significantly better equipment than others.

I'm adamant Green is in HD (Maybe not 1080i though). It looks a HUGE sight better than any of the DVD versions I own. The picture is much brighter and a lot more detail pops. The LOVE Story videos do look a bit soft, but again look very good (It'll sound funny but the detail on Mannie's beard is a lot more detailed)

I'd say it's worth the upgrade if you are a huge Ayu fan and have expendable income as the picture quality of all the PV's are significantly better than the DVD's after the first 2 albums worth. I'd give the picture quality a 7/10.

If anyone was expecting these to be 1080P and a 10/10 picture quality, they really are fooling themselves as music videos simply aren't recorded that way (nor the costs to fully upgrade them. You would be talking about a box set costing well over twice the price)

One final note: The audio quality is much better as well on most PV's post- Whatever. Last Angel you can even hear the echoes in her foot steps in the parking garage. They've certainly made the audio top-notch.

What're your thoughts on Mirrocle World and Marionette?

elaniel 5th January 2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayufan11 (Post 2799516)
What're your thoughts on Mirrocle World and Marionette?

Mirrorcle World looked okay, as was Marionette. Nothing special but I think both are upscales.

RayJason 5th January 2012 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yabieru (Post 2799499)
So... it's fair, good, beautiful and magical download any album, DVD or leaked song even if it affects the sales. Who cares the sales? Let's spread leaked things! But it's sooooooo unfair, terrible and illuminatti download a compilation of videos which everybody already saw, but with a ~cuestionable~ marvellous quality and """""""exclusive and never seen footage""""""" only because is very expensive.....

AHS ~Hipocrisy is ALL~ xDD

Seems to be that some people are just bend out of shape because they're slowly realizing that this CLIP BOX wasn't what they thought it would be. :roflmao Upscaled PV's.

They shouldn't be like this, they have their super awesome bag.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 5th January 2012 11:06 PM

^^that's not my problem at all. I'm an ayu collector, so I buy everything regardless. I spent $300 on all 4 versions of NEXT LEVEL. That's not the point.

ohsixthirty 5th January 2012 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayJason (Post 2799528)
Seems to be that some people are just bend out of shape because they're slowly realizing that this CLIP BOX wasn't what they thought it would be. :roflmao Upscaled PV's.

They shouldn't be like this, they have their super awesome bag.

gurl, i'm gonna carry that bag everywhere! :yes

emi♡ 5th January 2012 11:38 PM

You guys are so SNIPPY! God damn.


Anyways. So, assuming from the posts that these aren't blu ray quality...it would be quite a waste to download them, if you already have HD versions, correct?

Not that I was going to download them, but that seems like the logical conclusion to me.


I really don't care if people upload it or not. I personally don't think it hurts sales at all. But that's just me.

Anyways, I feel bad that even the recent PVs were upscaled...I dont understand why'd they do that. I figured they'd be shooting in HD for a while now :shrug Sorry to whoever might be displeased with the product.

Oh, but elaniel's post seems to possibly make some sense~~ Thanks for that :)

ExodusUK 5th January 2012 11:41 PM

i don't hate you because you're a morning museum stan, you're a morning museum stan because i hate you

Ayufan11 5th January 2012 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799520)
Mirrorcle World looked okay, as was Marionette. Nothing special but I think both are upscales.

Bummer... :( oh well! Upscaled is better than regular DVD quality. :yes

elaniel 5th January 2012 11:54 PM

Just to note I've watched Another Song and Why... and both seem to be in HD. Probably the two I can tell are definitely HD quality.

isthisLOL? 5th January 2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799545)
Just to note I've watched Another Song and Why... and both seem to be in HD. Probably the two I can tell are definitely HD quality.

Really? On the FIVE bluray ANother Song seemed to be the only upscaled PV(probably from 720p)
What about BRILLANTE, progress and beloved?

elaniel 6th January 2012 12:00 AM

I haven't watched those ones yet, I will get to them over the weekend. (A lot of PV's to go through)

I may be wrong with Another Song and Why... though. They just look like a significant quality jump from the others.

Mirrorcle Monster 6th January 2012 12:01 AM

The only thing that hurts the sales are the overprized stuff and the stupid extras

isthisLOL? 6th January 2012 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799548)
I haven't watched those ones yet, I will get to them over the weekend. (A lot of PV's to go through)

I may be wrong with Another Song and Why... though. They just look like a significant quality jump from the others.

Well if ANother Song is 720p upscaled to 1080i it will still look a whole lot better than the other ones so... :)

TeamAyu2004 6th January 2012 01:57 AM

wow.. people are bashing each other so much. I download everything for backups and buy... if someone wants to take the time to upload stuff for others to enjoy how is that hurting you?

When I get the cash I will be buying this regardless of upscale crap.

truehappiness 6th January 2012 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavenly Zerase (Post 2799549)
The only thing that hurts the sales are the overprized stuff and the stupid extras

I don't think releases like this are made to build up sales.

And the 'overpriced' thing is typical for Japan.

zeejia 6th January 2012 07:28 AM

Can someone kindly post some photos of the booklet pages? I like to know how is it like really. Thanks so much!

yukito 6th January 2012 08:44 AM

I haven't see this much drama since I watched Paris Hilton my new BFF...
Anyways for the people that are generous good for them, for the ones that just want to flaunt themselves because they buy every little thing godess ayu releases, well good for them too, I wish I could too, maybe someday, but for now I would like to enjoy this good quality release regardless of upscale or not until I'll be able to buy it.

koumori 6th January 2012 08:53 AM

Did people seriously say that people who can't afford the box don't deserve to see the videos? Wow. New low for all of you.

Anyway, the box looks really nice..shame about that bag. Thinking of buying this later this year :) Thanks to everyone who uploaded photos of their purchase!

elaniel 6th January 2012 09:09 AM

People haven't said they don't DESERVE to view them from what I can tell. Just that it is effectively stealing by posting these up for download. Some people have a very strong opinion on illegal downloads. Especially those of us who work in the music/entertainment/film industry.

Look at the music industry in the US/UK. It's hurting because of all the illegal downloads, and it's certainly the same case in Japan since only two singles sold more than a million copies this year. As far as I'm saying in the matter, the people that spent their hard earned money have more of a right to have/view this collection as they supported the artist over someone that hasn't supported the artist by buying the release. Anyone else that views/downloads it should see it as a privilege to view this content as they have not contributed to the release of the product.

If someone wants to view snippets for their opinion on how it looks before they decide on a purchase, that's fine. But for people who just want to download to have (and don't support the artist by purchasing the product), that will ruin the music industry. 90% of people that download illegally do so without the intention of paying for a product after sampling it.

I'm NOT saying I'm not at fault either, as I do download if I'm unsure on an artist/release and listen/watch it first. If I enjoy it, I buy it. If I don't, I delete it.

yukito 6th January 2012 09:18 AM

^ Well so do I, it just so happens I can't right now, but I want to at some point in my life, just for now I'll settle with this files. I bought every other thing from her, so it isn't such a big deal if I for once skip such a thing and wait to get a copy of this.

elaniel 6th January 2012 09:25 AM

For those that are interested, an overseas version is to be released on the 13th for almost 1/4 of the price of the Japan Version. DVD ONLY.

yukito 6th January 2012 09:30 AM

Well that is interesting now if only they will release a blu-ray version.

zeejia 6th January 2012 09:36 AM

Actually, DVD version has been released in Taiwan today at only USD67 including shipping.

Here to buy:
http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/dv...tem=D020042049

But only 1000 boxes will be available and there won't be a reprint once sold out. The number is going down fast!

kinix 6th January 2012 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799672)
For those that are interested, an overseas version is to be released on the 13th for almost 1/4 of the price of the Japan Version.

its the DVD version not blu ray version.

if the person who feels that by uploading the entire rip is going to hurt the sale, where is he when a new album is released? isnt that much more damage than a blu ray collection (which imo is targeted at hardcore fans) and I assume if people are interested will have already preordered the limited editions. FYI, i've left out the menu so it's nt really a full rip of the release.
if he is just being annoyed bcos that he paid a huge amt of $ and others got it free and ahead of him, then I'm annoyed too! Did u know it's not a 10Mb or 100Mb file I'm sharing? if u're not interested, just dont look into the thread.

elaniel 6th January 2012 09:49 AM

Yes, I know it's DVD. I just thought everyone saw previously in the part II thread that Avex Taiwan have already said they're not releasing a Blu-Ray box.

toniayu 6th January 2012 10:01 AM

I said that it wasn't fair to download THAT because:
-We spent many,many money on it.
-Is not the same price as a single/album (I support to download this if you can't buy it)
-You already have all her PVs in their respective single/album.
Anyway,as i said,i support to download this if you can't buy it.But some people just said negative things about this(upscaled,blah,blah,blah) and now they're downloading.
$$$

yukito 6th January 2012 10:21 AM

^In that case I completely agree, for those who whined about it.
Any ways I won't say another word about it because I was able to find another way around it.

emi♡ 6th January 2012 10:28 AM

I don't agree :laugh

I still downloaded FIVE and that album was awful. And I knew, before I even downloaded it too.

And I'll just say, $50, might as well be $500 for me, cause I don't have either.


I honestly don't think that illegal downloading really has any effects at our level. I know people disagree on the moral principle, but tbh, moral principles don't really mean anything. If you don't want to share, then don't share :shrug But I dont think it's right to judge anyone else, in anything.

imo, illegal downloading was an inevitable consequence of the industry's inability to recognize peoples' laziness, and properly take advantage of the internet.

When I was on Spotify, I didn't illegally download anything. And the future of the industry is going that way. And they're just going to have to deal with the fact that they aren't going to be making as much money from a product.

The industry also, seems to be hurting in all the wrong places. Just like the PC gaming industry. People are going to have to make changes, and they are going to fight tooth and nail, to keep their money. And they are going to rely oh so heavily on this idea of "stealing" from people and moral principles to do it.

Why did come back here...omg...lol sorry.

axmish87 6th January 2012 10:31 AM

All i can say is that I AM THANKFUL TO EVERY SINGLE
ONE OF YOU PEOPLE who is MORE THEN GENEROUS to share this release
with us less fortunate ones.
I saw the Hong Kong Version but i recently pre-ordered Final Fantasy XIII-2 from
Zavvi.com so i cannot afford it atm.
And to be honest THIS IS MY FIRST foray into buying and preordering
things on line XD

douggn 6th January 2012 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2799571)
wow.. people are bashing each other so much. I download everything for backups and buy... if someone wants to take the time to upload stuff for others to enjoy how is that hurting you?

When I get the cash I will be buying this regardless of upscale crap.

same here, I only haven't bought it yet because I haven't had the money. Its all PVs in one collection with the CMs :luv2, that's more than enough for me.

~angel*ayumi~ 6th January 2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeejia (Post 2799646)
Can someone kindly post some photos of the booklet pages? I like to know how is it like really. Thanks so much!

Posted pics in the old thread and the Show your collection thread...

A-TeensFan 6th January 2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799667)
Look at the music industry in the US/UK. It's hurting because of all the illegal downloads, and it's certainly the same case in Japan since only two singles sold more than a million copies this year.

Where have you been? ALL of AKB48 singles released in 2011 sold over 1 million copies (5 singles). Not to mention some of them sold more than 1 million in a day which set the new single sales record of all time in Japan.

And i understand the frustration of some people here, you spend your hard earned hundreds dollars on something and other just wait at home to download it for free. But face it, not everybody has that much money, most of us here don't live in Japan, 300$ maybe not much in Japan but in our countries it's huge money. And i don't think sharing the Complete Clip Box here would affect the sales at all. Not everybody will have the time and/or data quota to download all 4 BRD (which is 124GB).

douggn 6th January 2012 10:57 AM

I dont know if its been posted yet but the Hong Kong DVD Ver. now up for pre-order on yesasia
http://www.yesasia.com/global/a-clip...0-en/info.html
for US$73.25

elaniel 6th January 2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-TeensFan (Post 2799696)
Where have you been? ALL of AKB48 singles released in 2011 sold over 1 million copies (5 singles). Not to mention some of them sold more than 1 million in a day which set the new single sales record of all time in Japan.

And i understand the frustration of some people here, you spend your hard earned hundreds dollars on something and other just wait at home to download it for free. But face it, not everybody has that much money, most of us here don't live in Japan, 300$ maybe not much in Japan but in our countries it's huge money. And i don't think sharing the Complete Clip Box here would affect the sales at all. Not everybody will have the time and/or data quota to download all 4 BRD (which is 124GB).

I actually meant to write a few, rather than 2. It's still the fact just a few years ago, a million seller single was just enough to get in the top 10 for a year. Now the only "artists" that can sell more than a million are a marketing/cash cow girl group. It can't be denied that piracy has had a significant effect on entertainment worldwide. Anyway, I don't mean to go off topic, or start an argument.

What's everyones favourite PV from this box? (Audio, video wise). I think is this LOVE?? looks absolutely phenomenal.

SunshineSlayer 6th January 2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toniayu (Post 2799681)
I said that it wasn't fair to download THAT because:
-We spent many,many money on it.
-Is not the same price as a single/album (I support to download this if you can't buy it)

Honestly, the price of something shouldn't matter. Illegal downloading is illegal downloading, plain and simple. I'm sure everyone here does or has done it before and if you add it all up, it would cost way more than this box set. How much the cost of something that was downloaded is just semantics because no matter what it is ultimately wrong. Or ultimately right if you believe that music isn't something that should come with a price tag. :)

toniayu 6th January 2012 12:20 PM

^I support to buy music,I bought music.Almost all my money is destined to music(specially Ayu).And the correct thing is:if you like the music one artist does,you must support.Agree with you.But there are some people who need the money for other priority things~
I don't want to talk about this anymore

A-TeensFan 6th January 2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799699)
I actually meant to write a few, rather than 2. It's still the fact just a few years ago, a million seller single was just enough to get in the top 10 for a year. Now the only "artists" that can sell more than a million are a marketing/cash cow girl group. It can't be denied that piracy has had a significant effect on entertainment worldwide. Anyway, I don't mean to go off topic, or start an argument.

What's everyones favourite PV from this box? (Audio, video wise). I think is this LOVE?? looks absolutely phenomenal.

so far, I'm pretty sure Sparkle & Mirrorcle World was shot in HD too (only 720p), those 2 looks great.

here's a cap

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1...0106195109.jpg

ayu-fan 6th January 2012 03:17 PM

so sad that JEWEL is upscaled, imagine those beautiful scenes with crystal clear quality lol

elaniel 6th January 2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2799686)
I don't agree :laugh

I honestly don't think that illegal downloading really has any effects at our level.
imo, illegal downloading was an inevitable consequence of the industry's inability to recognize peoples' laziness, and properly take advantage of the internet.

Unfortunately a lot of people think this way and try and justify their illegal downloads this way. Blaming others because they don't buy something.

There's multiple areas of proof that illegal downloading hurts every part of the industry significantly. When you have seen like I have people lose their jobs because of illegal downloads, maybe you'll have a more mature and adult view on the situation. In 10 years when hardly any record companies/film companies are around, this is the reason why. Illegal downloads devalues a product to the point where people seem to think the product is worth nothing. Look at the anime industry as well, that's hurting extremely hard (especially in the USA) due to fansubbing/illegal downloads.


I did notice that sparkle looked very good last night, however I was so tired after watching so much that I think I stopped focusing on the image quality and just on the music instead.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 6th January 2012 03:58 PM

This shyte better be waiting for me when I get home. lol

ohsixthirty 6th January 2012 05:01 PM

My Clip Box is out for delivery right now! I should get it soon!!!

Pieces_of_SEVEN 6th January 2012 05:09 PM

^^same here!

RayJason 6th January 2012 05:12 PM

I'm stunned that the Hong Kong ver. is so much more cheaper than the original version. :O

ayuuk 6th January 2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 2799805)
My Clip Box is out for delivery right now! I should get it soon!!!

Yeah, mine seems to have arrived at a nearby DHL facility, hope I will get it when I get home today. Are you from the U.S. as well? Do you know if U.S. customs will charge tax for this? Thanks!

Tom Punks 6th January 2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayJason (Post 2799812)
I'm stunned that the Hong Kong ver. is so much more cheaper than the original version. :O

Why? They're always like that.

ohsixthirty 6th January 2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuuk (Post 2799813)
Yeah, mine seems to have arrived at a nearby DHL facility, hope I will get it when I get home today. Are you from the U.S. as well? Do you know if U.S. customs will charge tax for this? Thanks!

Yeah I'm from the US and there was no customs charge.

I actually got my Clip Box about ten minute after my last post!

ZenAmako 6th January 2012 07:20 PM

They can release a cheaper overseas version on DVD because the DVDs will be region 3 locked (almost all DVDs in Japan are region 2). With Blu-ray, Japan and Hong Kong are in the same region and that's why there won't be a Blu-ray release outside of Japan. People in Japan could import the cheaper HK version for 1/3 of the price and not need to worry about region coding. It's the same reason I don't see overseas versions of her concerts coming out on Blu-ray, at least not for a while.

As for illegal downloading, it isn't okay to steal something because you can't afford it. People will do it anyway because they can and they won't get caught, but that's the bottom line.

Personally, I saved my money, foregoing a lot of Black Friday deals and Christmas shopping and even selling off a few items so I could afford it (my copy is with the DHL courier now). Someone said they couldn't buy it because they wanted to preorder a Final Fantasy game; if I told you I had downloaded that game for free you might see where I'm coming from.

At any rate, I'm not sure I would have purchased this on Blu-ray had I known most of the videos were going to be upscaled, and a much cheaper overseas version was going to be released on DVD (I have a region free player that does a nice job of upscaling SD material). I'm also not impressed by what I've seen of the packaging or the bag. By the time the early reviews were in, my copy from Amazon was already "Shipping Soon". At this point I'm just hoping I won't be too disappointed.

By the way, I just found this forum when I was searching for some reviews of the box set, so hello. ;)

juanes6 6th January 2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douggn (Post 2799697)
I dont know if its been posted yet but the Hong Kong DVD Ver. now up for pre-order on yesasia
http://www.yesasia.com/global/a-clip...0-en/info.html
for US$73.25

I was waiting for the HK version but now I'm not sure if I really want it =/

Idk... I think I prefer to buy 6 or 7 old singles I don't have, but this is like a 'collector thing' D: I still don't know what I want T___T

...

About Piracy...
I don't like it, but I don't hate those people who can't buy original things... Obviously I download ayu's singles, albums, PVs, everything you upload here, but I try to buy it too... If someone can't afford original stuff I don't care if they download it (Even if I can, I try to rip my owns DVDs to upload them to my blog), one thing is sure: Artists will always have fans who can buy every single thing they release...

isthisLOL? 6th January 2012 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenAmako (Post 2799843)
As for illegal downloading, it isn't okay to steal something because you can't afford it. People will do it anyway because they can and they won't get caught, but that's the bottom line.

Stealing is NOT the right term. It's copying.
It's only stealing when otherwise the people would get the money, however if you copy it because you cannot afford it noone would get money otherwise -> no stealing.
If you download it though you can afford it it can be defined as stealing.

Downloading something because you cannot afford to buy it does not hurt anyone. I don't support piracy as a practice overall, overall it DOES harm the industry, but I think we do have to look at which acts actually do damage and which don't.

Is the overseas DVD playable on european DVD-players? If so I might get that one. 60€ is affordable to me and a fair price and it being bluray isn't all that important to me, I just want all of her PVs and CMs in physical form(right now I only have around 1/3 of her PVs)

elaniel 6th January 2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2799886)
Stealing is NOT the right term. It's copying.
It's only stealing when otherwise the people would get the money, however if you copy it because you cannot afford it noone would get money otherwise -> no stealing.
If you download it though you can afford it it can be defined as stealing.

So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

Indie 6th January 2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-TeensFan (Post 2799747)
so far, I'm pretty sure Sparkle & Mirrorcle World was shot in HD too (only 720p), those 2 looks great.

here's a cap

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1...0106195109.jpg

that's actually not HD, it's just a very clear up-scale. They probably used the original footage instead of just up-scaling the old video. Even 720p would look better (clearer).

isthisLOL? 6th January 2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799889)
So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

No, you completely misunderstood the whole point of my post.
If you steal a physical copy of something it is gone, the person you take it from loses something. It's stealing if you get it while someone else loses it(may it the physical copy or money). When downloading you get a copy, the owner of the original(avex in this case) only loses something if you otherwise would have bought it, however if you don't have enough money you wouldn't have bought it -> aves doesn't lose anything -> you do not steal. You copy. It's obviously not legal but calling it stealing is plain wrong. Nobody is hurt in that scenario, nobody loses anything.

That said, like I pointed out in my original post, I do NOT support piracy overall. I do not support it if you do it because you don't want to pay. I support it if you don't have enough money to pay since no one is harmed that way.

Someone earning a few hundred dollars a month while having to pay rent and stuff can't easily afford the clip box, he would NOT buy it either way, him downloading it would not be stealing and it would not harm anyone.
While someone with a well-paid job who has enough money and simply doesn't want to pay if he can download it for free does steal since he otherwise(if downloading was not possible) would have probably bought it.

That's the difference. If someone loses something(be it the physical copy or money) it is stealing. However that is not always the case for downloading and that's the important thing about it.

There is no logical argument that something harming noone is immoral. Unfortunately big parts of our society are ****ed up enough from centuries of religion to believe that things that do not harm anyone can be "wrong" by default without thinking about it themselves.

adantatu2 6th January 2012 10:17 PM

Please stop talking about the illegal downloads.

I made a thread especially for this http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112356

The HK version of this DVD BOX is much more cheaper than (for example) alan's latest concert on DVD, lol. I hope in the future they can do Blu-ray versions.

ZenAmako 6th January 2012 10:18 PM

I think what "isthisLOL?" is saying is that no one gets hurt when the person doing the copying wouldn't have bought it anyway. I'll admit copying something is a bit different from stealing a physical copy (like a CD). What it is is intellectual property theft. Once someone has a copy of something, there is less of a need (with the exception of collectors) for that person to obtain a legally purchased copy. The IP on the disc is devalued.

Someone earlier in the thread brought up the anime industry, which has now shrunk to practically nothing in the U.S. because so many fans moved to free downloads. You can say anime was too expensive, you can say the companies were too slow to react to a changing market, but you can't say it didn't have a pretty major impact.

ANYWAY, my blu-ray box arrived today, so I look forward to checking it out this weekend! I didn't buy the previous clip collection or her more recent CD releases so this wasn't an unnecessary double dip for me.

Also, for the person who asked, the overseas version DVD will probably not be playable in a European player unless the player is region-free and can handle NTSC video. The DVD will be region 3 locked.

ayuuk 7th January 2012 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 2799840)
Yeah I'm from the US and there was no customs charge.

I actually got my Clip Box about ten minute after my last post!

Yay I just got mine as well! :love:love:love

ayu-fan 7th January 2012 02:14 AM

sooo what is the best looking PV on blu ray pre FIVE??

douggn 7th January 2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2799889)
So under your definition, someone out of work can go into a shop and take a CD because they can't afford it?

Just because you can not afford something does not make it right to "copy" something.

But what about if you had all your ayumi collection stollen, Mine was and I dont have the money to re buy everything. I download because I dont see the problem if people are going to buy it in the future and for me, it will be the 2nd time I buy everything again. But Im not downloading this, I was just waiting for the HK ver

Pieces_of_SEVEN 7th January 2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayu-fan (Post 2799963)
sooo what is the best looking PV on blu ray pre FIVE??

For me, fairyland, INSPIRE, M, is this LOVE?, Mirrorcle World, Bold & Delicious

yukito 7th January 2012 06:06 PM

I loved watching all the TV-CM, there were at least 10 I've never seen before, and the quality is quite good, now just waiting for the PVs.

TeamAyu2004 8th January 2012 01:50 AM

Man, enough with the steal/copying stuff... blah.
Honestly. Avex barely put any money or time into this... it really is something for the fans. PV's/music videos/what ever you want to call them are almost free domain.
What is the difference from catching one of the videos on MTV or whatever the japanese watch to get their music fix and DVDr'ing it and keeping or watching it on YouTube to downloading it for your own personal collection?
Nothing... its just another way to get the "info" that you want

Blah... anyways... i watch poker face and some of the other videos in HD and they look pretty good... cant wait to watch some of the newer ones.
Personal I hope the ones with "great" computer graphics looks amazing!

elaniel 8th January 2012 11:37 AM

To the above poster, by downloading it, you're breaking copyright.

Anyway, I definitely think Sparkle, Mirrorcle World, Pride, Green all look amazing.

TeamAyu2004 8th January 2012 02:17 PM

^ Actually no.

You have to know your copyright laws... In most countries it is not illegal to download, but illegal to redistribute for profit.
In fact if you live in Canada, Spain, Panama, or the Netherlands you can download any music as long as it is not sold in that country.

As for Japan... artistic works located in public places can be reproduced freely by photograph, film, etc... which is not very limited and can include PV's/Music videos.

So in fact download music video's and PV's is legal... may not be moral or support the artist, but the PV is just that, a promotion video and nothing more. It is meant to promote something, not meant to make money for someone.

As for the videos.. Got to watch Evolution, LOVE it.
Born to Be
and Last Angel.

isthisLOL? 8th January 2012 02:50 PM

What TeamAyu2004 said.
Also, "you break a law" is never a valid argument since laws can be immoral or simply not logical, too. There's countries with laws that literally end up killing people with no moral or logical reason, but it's their laws. No argument.

TeamAyu2004 8th January 2012 03:14 PM

But there is a thread for this subject and it should be moved there. People just need to know the facts about copyright before they start throwing it around like they know something...

But besides that, while everyone who downloads music got told to go to hell, I watched the rest of Love Songs PV's... they were blah...

I'm totally convinced the more PV's I watch by Ayu the more I dislike them, lol.. I don't know why... I guess after, what like 200 different videos, you start to run out of ideas and they seem to bleed into one another.. lol

elaniel 8th January 2012 03:14 PM

To the above poster, I'm stating what is law in a lot of countries, there is no need to make your comments personal to me (implying I know nothing). I was stating it to you due to me seeing you are from Orlando, which (unless I'm mistaking it for another one) is in the USA, where what I said was correct. (Not talking about it anymore, promise!)

I want to apologise. I never intend to pick on people, or try and make my opinions fact, I apologize if I have offended anyone. Just where I work, downloads really hurt us, and I somewhat take things personal as I've seen how much it hurts our business.

Can we all have a great big TeamAyu hug?! :)

Been really enjoying this box, I just hope in the future Ayu's albums/singles come in CD&Blu-Ray format.

TeamAyu2004 8th January 2012 03:16 PM

^ Holy crap! I didn't even think about that...
But thats just another cover to add to the list!

CD version
CD+ DVD version
and now....
CD+ Blu-Ray version!

Ah! everything that you have to buy!

isthisLOL? 8th January 2012 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elaniel (Post 2800352)
Fine, I'll stop talking about it now, as it's futile arguing with ignorant people.

Isn't the ignorant person usually the one ignoring the arguments? aka: you? :no Sorry but when you resort to laws as arguments in a discussion about morals that makes you highly ignorant since laws do NOT define morals. Logic does.

Anyways, I watched a few of the PVs now, the quality of the upscales is ok, I might end up getting the overseas version of the DVD just so I'll have the pretty box and all the PVs in one set instead of split over my albums and singles.

RayJason 8th January 2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2800351)
I'm totally convinced the more PV's I watch by Ayu the more I dislike them, lol.. I don't know why... I guess after, what like 200 different videos, you start to run out of ideas and they seem to bleed into one another.. lol

Haha her pv's have the reverse effect on me, the more I watch, the more I want. :laugh

Aderianu 8th January 2012 03:28 PM

what's the reason to make CD+Blu-Ray
it may be just blu-ray as Five

isthisLOL? 8th January 2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 2800361)
what's the reason to make CD+Blu-Ray
it may be just blu-ray as Five

Most people only have one bluray players while many people have several devices that can play CDs, they can watch the bluray on their TV and the CD can be used everywhere else in the house and their car. And if someone else uses the blruay player or TV you wouldn't be able to play the album. It's just a more possiblities thing since having music solely on bluray can be very limiting in households with more than one person.


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