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Ayu is getting divorced II
Ayu updated TA with a message about her divorce.
Let's support her!!! =) (and let's not bash Mannie, I'm sure they had a reason and we are here for Ayu.) Ayu's english message: To my overseas fans, I wish to inform you theat i, ayumi hamasaki, instructes my lawyer to file for divorce on my behalf in the united states today. At the time of our marriage, my husband and I decided to live in the united states. However,approximatetely two months later eastern japan was struck by a huge earthquake. As a result of this tragedy, I felt an overwhelming need to stay in my home county, and was forced to leave my husband alone for a long time. My husband and I have made every effort to reach a compromise; However, as time has passed we have grown apart. I no longer feel the same desire to move to the united states. Instead I feel that I must ask myself what I can continue to do for my country, here in japan. This has eclipsed the future I had originally envisaged with my husband, and it is for this reason that I have made this difficult decision. It was with a grateful, but heavy heart that I read all the messages I received form my fans and the press congratulating me on my 1st wedding anniversary at the beginning of this month. It was then that I realized I had to face up to the inevitable truth that I had been avoiding. At present, my husband is in los angeles pursuing his career as an actor in Hollywood. I would ask that my fans to respect his privacy and refrain from sending him messages or contacting him to ask for comement. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding. Ayumi Hamasaki source: TA |
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family or any relationship is a compromise. otherwise - it won't eventually work out, you know. if you stay selfish or whatever or keep to your priorities without altering them - it's doomed. sooner or later. I'm not saying that you should change youself and your interests, but, well, you have to sacrifice something sometimes. |
Please enough of this subject
it's been three days ^ _ ^ have to forget it, yes? let's think about the next work, she already had enough problems because of these 3 days. |
... but then what else would people talk about in the divorce thread?
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We are such gossips. But, I get the feeling that the media isn't done with this subject. And when they post more news about it, it can all go here, instead of separate threads. Additionally, there are probably some fans here at AHS that have yet to see/comment.
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My fiance speculated that she had married Mannie to gain citizenship to the US, which would help her start a career here. He thinks it was more like a business decision.
I don't think Ayu is that cold and conniving, but I 100% do not believe that she ever seriously was going to move to the US. And give up her singing career in Japan? The thing that she has said in multiple interviews that she cannot live without? Nooooo way. If she ever thought about doing this, she obviously regretted it. Some people have said that her not registering her marriage in Japan is understandable if she planned to move to the US anyway. I disagree, and think it shows hesitation on her part. What would be the harm in registering? In fact, registering seems like the smarter decision anyway, in case her or Mannie's plans change. Either Ayu didn't plan for her future at all, or she had second thoughts. I go with the latter. I think the marriage was an act of passion, and when the passion cooled off, she was like, "this isn't what I want after all." It's a very human situation, so I don't begrudge her at all. If anything, it shows again how she's a real person and not some Goddess. |
I hope that Ayu is no suffering,she is a strong woman & I think that this decision is really a hard move of her,but we can feel how Ayu is so proud of being japaneses & help her country the ways that she did in the past...
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Sick of this garbage. When will it start to be about the music once again? :(
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for gods sake, please give previews of the new album so we can talk about sth else.
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I'm kind of curious as to why people don't think publicity regarding her personal life can be used to her advantage. It doesn't matter if the news doesn't increase her album sales, the most important thing is that it's keeping her name in the news and increasing her overall visibility as a celebrity. It's especially important because Ayu is a lot less relevant than she once was. If Ayu really cared about her privacy, she could have EASILY kept her relationship and even her marriage to Mannie a complete secret - especially since the Japanese media isn't nearly as invasive as Western media. Janet Jackson managed to keep her marriage a secret for YEARS, until her divorce. Like Madonna, I think Ayu is a clever businesswoman and in her recent years has begun to use her personal life to promote herself as a celebrity and recording artist...
Her breakup with Nagase - Hasn't said anything in the media about her relationship for years prior. News stories pop up everywhere about the breakup. Not even a week later, she performs 'fated' (lyrically related to the situation) on Music Station. Kisses a Chinese actor in an MV. A month later, she puts out Together When... (another breakup song). Deafness - I know this is a sensitive topic, but I'll cover it anyway. She completely bombs at Kouhaku. Japanese fans are stirring about how terrible she was at CDL. GUILTY is unexpectedly struggling on the charts to land the #1 position (and ends up not doing so). Deafness story appears all over the media. I find that these stories regarding her personal life come at the most suspiciously convenient times when she has something to promote. The marriage to Mannie is by far the most sketchy thing she's ever done. I'm not saying I don't believe it was legitimate, but I can't completely rule out that it wasn't (It could just be full of half-truths or exaggerated) I wouldn't think less of her either way, to be honest. Just trying to understand why people think they KNOW FOR A FACT that Ayu is always being honest with the public. |
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Once again, this is turning into some sort of "who's the better fan" competition. It's always like that around here. Whether it's someone voicing their opinion on a song they don't like, or their views on her new album and the musical style she's moving in - they always get singled out and comments start flying like "GO LISTEN TO SOMEONE ELSE THEN!" and "TROLL!!", etc. Ironically, pointing the finger at others you view as selfish, because you believe you see yourself as a more righteous fan, is pretty selfish in itself. |
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music. If Ayu didn't have a personal life and personal experiences, she wouldn't make the kind of music she makes. Therefore, we should be allowed to discuss it. The thing with celebrities, is that they forget that sharing stories about the personal lives can be a double-edged sword. They can't just pick and choose what aspects of their personal lives the public/fans should be allowed to discuss, how they should discuss it, and how they should interpret it. |
I feel a little sad for ayu; divorces are nothing but sad times.
Honestly, I would get a divorce too after seeing some pictures of Super mannie. Urgh. |
Great points/post, Coelacanth. :)
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Honestly, I feel like we needed discussions like this 'cause this is her human side of herself and we rarely talk about it since we dont have too much information. Sometimes I wish japanese celebs had personal interviews too, like western ones when such things happen. I mean, be it PR stunt or real it just makes you closer to the singer.
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If you don't like the discussions, stay out of the threads. That's all, sorry. No one wants to see you complain about everyone.
I do hate all the "better fan" self righteousness though lol That's just stupid. I can gossip all day about Ayu, and still love and support her. Discussing the divorce, on a forum, about Ayu...doesn't really do all that much to change anything imo. It's just discussion. @Zeke: honestly, I think in Japan, it's been about her music much less than it's been about her life, for a LONG time. But that's just my perception, it could be wrong. Maybe. Here at the forum, her music isn't ever going to go anywhere :shrug |
I didn't say people couldn't discuss this, I said I'm usually for it. But it's tiring. It has usually been about the music for a LONG time and that's part of the reason why I loved her and the Japanese industry. There was ALWAYS music - unlike in America where it takes years to put out an album. "Can We Go Back To The Way It Used To Be?" Lol.
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There is music (how beautiful you are, Party queen) but a lot of people seem to be holding back on commenting about them either because they want the album to be completely new for them or they just don't like the tracks enough. I'd say it's more the former than the latter.
I think that when things like this happen, people are going to talk for a while but eventually it will die down as it always does. It hasn't even been a few days and people are acting like it happened weeks ago and the discussion is still going on. If you don't like reading the discussions about her divorce/whatever else concerning her personal life, couldn't you just avoid coming to the thread(s) in the first place? It's not like people are going into the music-related threads to talk about this. |
This discussion sure has moved fast! I checked on it last night and now it's an entirely new thread...
I'm kind of shocked that they're announcing their divorce, but I really haven't been watching AHS or following Ayu this past fall, so it's more about me not seeing the signs than anything. I know it's nothing new to say, but I'm kind of sad to hear this. From what little we were able to see, she looked genuinely happy when she was with him. I think, even if everyone says "Well, it was doomed to fail", that happiness means something to both of them. At least there's no children... That would really complicate things! |
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I wonder why if she had to tell us why she didn't wait until things were all finalized.
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^be however you want lol
Ayu seems to be a powerful and sensitive subject for a lot of people. She's helped a lot of us in some very powerful ways. It's kinda hard to think some things about her. :shrug I find it interesting that people don't think there are some really convenient and fishy things about this whole situation...but whatever, it's going to be discussed anyway. Here, and probably worse in the media lol I don't want people to be surprised and upset...but obviously can't help that... |
This is probably the biggest bombshell Ayu has had made public about her personal life - by no other than herself.
Japanese will probably turn to her music now to see if there's any 'hints' in her lyrics about this breakup. No doubt there will be - Ayu writes about her life. And this would have been a big part of it for the past year. Blaming the earthquake for their divorce is.. I think there's much more to it than that. Surely they drifted apart for other reasons. As for wanting to stay in Japan.. well.. she's never expressed interest in entering any non-Asian markets. Don't know why she would decide to relocate to LA. |
The only reasons she would have to relocate to LA would be Mannie, being able to drive her own car again, shopping alone if she chooses & just being able to step outside without being mobbed. That may have been enough, but since she said she asked permission from Avex 1st, I don't think she would haave had their approval to move nearly all her work to LA to make living there possible. And those who keep bringing up the real estate agents, you didnt check her twitter list very well, Mie Kim(likely Stanley Kim's sister) has been called her unni(big sis) for a very long time and Christophe Choo is someone she met through Mie being a friend of his also. So I don't think she was ever looking at real estate anywhere in the US.
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I think Ayu herself would not be happy her fans talking about her divorce over and over. I don't say anyone said something bad, but it's that situation when you're sad and someone want to cheer you up so badly but you want just to avoid the topic and have your mind alone for a second, for a breath. There's nothing really to discuss about. It happens, she's a huge star and it's hard to keep a reletionship within a 287382173812738km distance.
that's all I wanted to say. |
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Most of her recording is done abroad so it would have made little impact there. She could easily do all of her PV shoots in the US. There's hardly any TV promotion of public appearances. People can easily go to her rather than Ayu going to them, but think of the costs associated with that. All she would have needed to come back to Japan for is concert tours + rehearsals. Which take up a huge chunk of her year. Wouldn't have worked anyway, regardless of the earthquake. |
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Once previews come out for the new album, or perhaps a studio version of Party Queen is out there people will forget about this.
What I personally feel is that if she had been married for years, it would be something to truly discuss...but this marriage only lasted a year and it's probably best she got out of it, so people will forget about this pretty quickly I think. |
^ no. the fact that it was short will bring back all of those rumours about it being a sham to promote their careers. Being a long marriage would have made it seem more genuine.
Then again, if this happened at the height of her career it would be big big news. At this stage, I think it will cause a blimp on the radar for the press and general public, but not for too long. |
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I just hope she's OK. She's a strong woman, and we'll all support her under the same sky. UGH the "fans" make me so angry. Some of the things that come out of their mouths...I just wish I could beat them with a frying pan. I'm so serious. Nobody can judge anybody else. And all people can do is speculate, because ONLY ayu and Mannie really know the honest, intimate details. And why speculate? Damn gossips. Just hope for ayu's happiness and support her if you really are a fan! Otherwise, you disgust me, and give all ayu fans a bad name. |
Actually, I don't see anything bad on talking about the divorce :shrug. As long as people respect her (and Mannie, but whatever lol) and don't start to insult her nor other members.
I'm still shocked and sad because of this news, but I really want to know more about. Not like an obsessive fan though. I'm following her since so many years so.. I think it's natural to be a little interested in her private life. Especially when it comes to such awful things like a divorce. |
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I find it funny people are already asking people to move on.
A few weeks ago, so many people were still discussing their marriage, and it'd been a year. Welcome to AHS. |
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@jesscat: hasn't it been like...a day? And conversation is already getting stale cause it's such a touchy subject :laugh |
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However, people are going to discuss it; and it's not something to be frowned upon. It's natural. Ayu is infamously as honest as she can be, especially through her music; her life has affected her music for as long as she has had a career as a singer. When a singer is that open with her fans about her feelings and certain parts of her life, it's going to affect fans a lot when something like this happens. I can see both parts of people's opinions. Personally, I've been avoiding the threads for the most part - but that's just me. I have no problem with people talking about it. It's to be expected. Anyone who thinks people should already "move on" because they're afraid of Ayu-bashing needs to stop taking people's comments (or would-be comments) about Ayu so personally. A celebrity will get judged. It shouldn't affect your opinion of her, so don't let it affect you in general. |
I could understand the move on comments if this thread was going for a few weeks, but right now there's been 2 threads in a 24 hour period because fans who care about Ayu are interested in hearing others opinions. And I'm agreeing with Emiko on almost everything, so enjoy this while it lasts.
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^lol I'm trying to be nice.
I haven't even been saying that much except I think we should be able to discuss it :laugh Which of course he wants, because he thinks he was right. Oh, I believe I do admit there are some weird things going on, but we'll never know everything, so oh well. I'm not going to consign myself to a staunch opinion without any facts lol |
^ I'm just amused because out of all who opposed him, he picks you to represent them all. It's funny.
And yeah, as always we won't know the "full story", and even if we do, we probably won't believe it. |
:D I'm so flattered lol
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It could actually be worse, the opinion I saw on Tumblr was the marriage was to cover up her being lesbian.
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Still waiting for her and Utada to hook up. |
About time.
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a second thread already O.o
wikipedia just said that she announced her divorced in January 16, 2012 |
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_______ I've given Ayumi a lot of money during my fandom. I can think and converse whatever the hell I want to. Blind fans are the worst. Is that judging? So did she have the Middle East thing long planned out cause it's convenient that she flew off there after her announcement. |
tbh I believe she truly wanted to move to USA. I don't think it could harm her career or so :yrolleyes
she always was that type of a Japanese girl who wanted to look Western, think and act Western, she said she loved the feeling of freedom which USA gave her. and I'm sure she's been studying English since 1997 when she first stepped NY. tbh I believed her when she said she couldn't be separated with Japan after disaster. I think it's also crushed her wishful thinking about USA, how it'd different there. when disaster happened, she understood that she's Japanese after all, that she's a famous person and she CAN help and courage her nation. life's changed after disaster :yrolleyes |
Andrenoikoi: "I can only imagine the amount of controverse Ayu moving away from Japan after the disaster would have caused..."
Really? I think you are giving Ayu way too much credit here, she doesnt hold that kind of power over the Japanese people. After a natural disaster, people arent really thinking about Ayumi or any celebrity for that matter. Especially since her husband lives in America, no one would think it strange if she went where he is. maikaru: "Honestly, you don't really know what you're talking about. When the Earthquake happened, I really wanted to go home. I thought that I don't wanna be in Canada any longer, and wanna go back and do everything I can to help my country, and wanted to stay in Japan forever. But with my studies, I couldn't do that, and I felt powerless. She had Love songs tour scheduled, but she probably would have lived in America after that. If she was planning to go to America and become American citizen, there's no reason for her to register in the family registry, because once she becomes American citizen she no longer has rights to the family registry - she is not Japanese. Recently, all you've done is criticize her, SunshineSlayer. I'm not even sure why you still waste your time with her because obviously you just wanna find many things to nitpick and to doubt her on. " I find this comment offensive. I live in Japan and lived through the earthquake. I am certainly allowed to comment about it. And as to your last comment, I dont even know what your talking about as I have hardly said anything about Ayu lately, in fact the last year or so I think I have only said how much I love Love Songs, supported her marriage, and was disappointed in the latest CDL I went to. I didnt say she did the marriage as a PR stunt - I have always given it the benefit of the doubt, just that I see the possibilities. Your attack on me was totally unwarranted. |
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On a side note, their kids would look like sifow and Kana Nishino. |
I feel like a bad person for thinking thus, but I really feel bad for Ayu since i got the impression she honestly loved Mannie, so I want go see the good in the bad... But just IMAGINE the amazing lyrics she'll write because of this strife!!! Because I loved her first as an artist, this thought excites me!!!
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LOL OK so I contradicted myself. Whatever. I just don't like that people are bashing ayu or making up stories. That's basically my bottom line. :/
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Obviously and other than hearing a few of her songs, I know nothing about Utada Hikaru. I don't even know who posted that on tumblr. I was just pointing out how much worse the press could get if they listened to rumors some of her fans are posting on the internet. It's actually quite possible with the info we know about already and the amount of gay and lesbian staff she works with and so much of her personal free time spent in the gay district of Tokyo. But only time and Ayu deciding to be honest with the fans instead of hiding behind a press release her managers deem appropriate will tell. If you don't believe they quiet her when she wants to say something, try being among those meeting her at a hotel she's visiting. She starts to answer a question like anyone else, turns her head to a manager, gets a nod and stops mid sentence.
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And @Coelcanth, I do not know if I believe that all those things were like cold calculated PR moves by Avex, but I do agree that especially over the last few years, the timing of her big announcements have been convenient so it definitely leaves things open to suspicion. As you said, she could be much more low profile about her personal life if she wanted to be. |
All I can see now is "Find gay-sights on Ayu's lyrics ~thread 12~"
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umm did anyone see this? i see the words gay and the pictures on the left.... uhhh
http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/ar...sueID/20120119 |
^This is a translation from a facebook group...
"there is a rumor that mannie was gay due to the fact he did some subjective picture for some gay magazine (and that might be the real reason of the divorce) other rumors are saying he did those pictures without ayumi's agreement and thats the reason why they are splitting." |
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Those pictures are from Super Mannie, the photobook Mannie and Leslie surprised Ayu with. I bet she was real surprised. Some media outlets are saying the photobook was the real reason for the split.
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Manuel is gay??!!
http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/ar...sueID/20120119 |
Damn, my friend called it. When I told him they were getting a divorce, he said, "Is it because of that awful photobook?" :laugh
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^haha :laugh
that book was a big mistake, Manuel ;) but it feels like he was so desperate to feel wanted once again |
That book is so embarrassing... and I'm not a Mannie hater. Just seems kind of in bad taste all around.
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I should also add that some media outlets are reporting that he didn't wanna do it, and that led to the split.
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They might be going by the photographer was gay, and most copies of the book were sold in the gay district of Tokyo. Plus if it turned out to be true that the marriage was covering for that, then they might both be.
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i dunno what's true and what's not anymore...is this real life *_*?
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It would be alot better if her managers would let her be as honest with her fans as she would like. I can see where she would let them make decisions for her professional, but they're taking advantage of her combining her professional life with her personal life and considering her staff as friends/family instead of co-workers and bosses.
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I think that's normal, you work with people for a long time, they become friends. I'm friends with many of my co-workers.
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Yes thats normal, I'm still friends with people who quit or got fired long before I quit the the job we had together. But her managers do so in a way that she never has a day away from her bosses, they go everywhere she goes. One of her managers she said is the only one with a key to her home, so she can't even go to her own home without him. Very very inappropriate and they take advantage of it big time.
Not only that he usually carries a camera and at times takes photos after she goes to sleep. Like when she fell asleep on her sofa with pino after going home drunk from the after party for RNRC. |
^You make it sound like ayu's personal space is invaded 24/7 by her staff. O.o;;
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I dont think its taking advantage. Its not like Ayu has a whole real family shes ever been able to depend on...
Shes obviously likes it this way, and she seems to be well taken care of. Besides, Ayu is a big liability to the company in a way, they want her super looked after, she must be used to it by now lol |
Not a robot, but she allows them too much control of her everyday life. Can you imagine your employer being the only one carrying the key to your home and having to phone him for a ride to get home and let you inside.
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So? I don't get you. That is her life. Do you want to change it? What is your point? |
i don't see anything wrong that ayu has her staff surround her to fulfill her necessities.
she's a super star and i don't think those staff are really that controlling her life, they are just like her assistants, more over she's living on her own, so she needs some ppl to take care of her stuff, one of their jobs is to take care of her dogs. even if she allows them too much control of her personal life, that's her choice and from what i see, she has no problem with it, she and her staff are already like family and close friends, that's probably the reason of why she feels comfortable with her staff around. i believe that she has considered her staff as the part of her family already. and i think the reason of their divorce is coz of the super manuel book is really funny. |
Japanese newspapers have stated that Ayu has given no money to Mannie after the divorce. They have also not had to split any of their property. Ayu had to pay a 50,000 Yen fine for not registering her marriage in Japan, but that's it.
It also states that as an Austrian, Mannie apparently was scared of going to Japan because of the radiation (because of the Chernobyl-effect on Europe), and his countries government had/has told its citizens to leave and stay out of Japan, causing strife between the two. |
^ he didn't visited Japan at least once after the disaster?
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thanks for that info :)
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^you can find them here http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/super-manuel
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The speculation has become pretty humorous. The only reason I can see either of them getting upset over the Super Ayu/Manuel books is because there were provocative photos that: A) Mannie felt pressured into taking, thereby questioning his status in the relationship; B) upset Ayu when Mannie auctioned off a signed copy of his book; or C) upset Mannie when Ayu showed others her book.
Nevertheless, OMG are those pictures of Mannie disturbing. :tired Those would never turn me on, just freak me out. :laugh I wouldn't be surprised if Ayu didn't give him any money after the divorce, but he's got his own fortune and it's entirely possible that that was part of the prenup. The stuff about him not wanting to go to Japan after the tsunami because of fear of radiation would be really upsetting to anyone, but I'm sure that's absolute crap. I do wonder if Japan is very spiteful towards him now. Or if they're more spiteful towards Ayu. A celebrity like Ayu marrying a Caucasian man...then splitting up...there's bound to be some jealousy, hatred, conceit, and maybe even gloating floating around amoung the female population of Japan. Regardless, the talk that we should drop the subject seems silly to me. Few people have said anything malicious, and Ayu wouldn't have told us the situation if she didn't expect us to talk. And to be honest, as international fans, us talking on a forum about it is significantly less damanging than gossiping about it in the streets or in school. |
Why is everyone believing what the media is saying ??
Ayu explained clearly what happened in her TA message. Shouldn't we believe her? As far as I know, most of the rumors started by medias in the past turned out to be false anyway... |
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And she's an A-list superstar, part of her charm is letting personal photos of herself be published via twitter or Team Ayu. Team Ayu is a paid-for membership program to receive exclusive messages and stuff from Ayu herself, so its really just a part of the business. And I'm pretty sure Ayu can control what gets uploaded by her staff, if she didn't want something published by one of her friends then it wouldn't be. I would assume she is control of that. And if she's not, she's not done anything to change it, so she must be fine with it. Ayu knows she is a product, she's stated it in quite a few interviews. I don't think you need to worry your pretty little head about this stuff. |
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This is what keeps this thread living: fake speculations and senseless off-topic discussions. :) |
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LIKE, REALLY?? |
I think it was because of the book too. That actually was my first thought when I heard the news.
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It's called modelling! It's a job!
Models do what the photography/client wants them to do! If Leslie wanted Mannie to pose that way, he did. What do you do at work? Generally, you do what your boss tells you! Lol. Silly tabloids! |
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Well, of course, there are other factors as well, like she has already drifted away from mannie etcc as they rarely even meet. |
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