The Official Oricon Thread ~Party Queen~ II
 

Oricon Year of 2012 Overall Sales

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1st Week


2nd Week


3rd Week


4th Week


5th Week


6th Week


7th Week

1st Day
Position: #26

5th Day
Position: #25

Total Sales So Far: 135,807

Yay!
So when do we get the weekly ranking?

I thought she was #3 today?

Yay! I'm glad to see she's getting close to 100k :D!

She is :(

Is this the first time she's ever had an original album hit #3? Even on the dailies? For first week, of course.

I think today is the 8th day... the album was released on a monday this time around

^ yes, but it's still PQ's official 1st week as the weekly rankings haven't been released today.

But absolutely no #1 weekly - Acid Black Cherry will take that...

Imagine she got like, #5 o.o
But even I it was #3, it would still kinda suck

Number 3, hm? I begin to think there's something...wrong with this album :(

How could she get 5?
She was two all week but one day?

Well, it appears ikimono-gakari is on the #1 daily spot, but literally that's not going to affect her #2 weekly (or Acid Black Cherry's #1)...

^ I know that... but having them there for one day would not push her to 5, not even 3. lol

they weren't saying that she was going to get #5 lol

but idk, what if two new groups all of a sudden sold over 100k today :laugh

At this point, I'm okay with Ayu getting number two. Some people were jokingly saying, "looks like A BEST 3 will be released this year" and, to be honest, I'd be happy with that. :yes Not saying that it will happen or that Avex really cares about her sales at this point; I'm just trying to say that although this is dissapointing, it isn't the end of world or even the end of Ayu's legend/career.

Even if the album got #2, #3 or #5... Just yesterday she added a new date to the tour... So, besides all odds, I would say her career is still going pretty well...

I agree with that as well. :yes

it has been 5 years since her last BEST album, but I think it is going to be something that they hold off till next year.

I wouldn't mind A BEST 3 sometime this year or next year. I hope she includes a new ballad like she did with the release of A BEST 2 -BLACK-

@Pieces_of_SEVEN (I don't think I stylized your name correctly, sorry.)
Well, it's just my understanding that Avex hires a number of composers who frequently submit their work in a "collection pile" where singers can choose their pick. I remember an article that said the composition of BLUE BIRD was first selected by BoA but Ayumi liked it so much that she requested it for her own album. I don't think Ayumi pays their salaries. Mind you I am pretty ignorant in this matter so I wouldn't take my words too seriously.

As much as I'd love for Ayu to go to Number 1 every time, I'm starting to get the feeling that I will be glad if it doesn't hit 1.

Why? Too much pressure. Also people tend to put too much stock into the rankings and it's like, if it's good and you like it, then who cares right? I mean, if it's bad and she doesn't make money than that's bad yes, but as someone said she's got tour receipts a plenty so nothing to be worried about.

But I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say this

The date that was added was in Miyagi - the area most effected by last years tsunami. So, the reason that date wasn't in there originally is probably because the arena wasn't ready yet.

I wonder what this weekly number #2 is going to mean for future releases? Now that she's getting #2, will avex stop caring about her streaks, like with singles and such, and start releasing her stuff when there is competition more often? And what about the fans? The ones who did care about the records, will they stop now? Will #2 for PQ have no impact at all?

You don't have to think too much about this~we'll see in the future~~~:lech

They already had a date booked in Miyagi, on this same arena for this tour... She was already going to perform there one day before this new date... So, the arena not being ready is not a possibility.

And the tour still has 28 dates... far more than any other arena tour she had during her peak...

The #1 Single streak hasn't been broken yet, so they'll probably try to maintain that.

GUILTY was #2...Don't forget that ABC is also under avex, if avex cared enough they could've easily manipulated the numbers.

Hm, well, I don't know to what extent the label can manipulate sales. I feel like PQ'ds #2 is a bit different. The release format is different no singles are leading up to the album, her 50th single beat Seiko's record. This era feels more... "new leaf" than Guilty's did.

I know Guilty officially got #2 but wasn't it released at a strange time and technically did hold the #1 spot?? :s. I only half remember??

^No that's right. GUILTY's first real week was #1. There was all these holidays going on that time so they released the album one week before Oricon started counting. So the "real" week (when Oricon counted) was in reality GUILTY's 2nd week and it got "only" #2.

Her future could go either way in terms of future releases. Maybe she'll be advertised more or maybe Avex will stop giving a crap and just let her release something when she wants to (something I've been praying for for years).

I don't think streaks, sales, records or popularity should matter, to be honest. I mean, I'm proud of her achievments and all but I'm just happy she keeps releasing new music that I love.

Party Queen's sales don't bother me at all as long as we keep getting new albums :P

^ That's my main concern as well. Can't help feeling a little disappointed that PQ is not going to get no. 1 but I hope she will just continue to release music and have fantastic concerts.

And maybe singles leading up to the album in future :P

Honestly I don't mind she's getting #2 but 1 thing that annoy me is not a big name artist outsold her. It would be great if she competed with EXILE and then lost the battle. I'm so proud when she broke mr. Children's streak when she released Duty on the same day with mr. Children.

^She broke Kinki Kid's streak with RAINBOW in the second week too

Ahh ok. Didn't realize that. Usually she performs twice at each location though, so maybe there was just some scheduling conflict that she couldn't book two dates there at first. Usually when dates are added, it is for Tokyo area.

The second point though I don't really think is relevant. She could have easily performed 28+ dates at her peak (and in larger venues) but she was just a lot more busy then.

and at her peak she probably made enough (made Avex enough) from CD sales/advertising/tie-ins, now I imagine the main source of Ayu-income is her tours.

and GUILTY got #2 because of the Oricon double week, she was #1 for the first week, but she needed #1 over both weeks, I believe.

oh, this week she got #2 weekly, maybe next week she will get #1 weekly because tons of promo =]]]]]]

26/03/2012

#1 MDNA - Madonna 6668
#2 Party Queen - 3735
#3 2012 - Acid Black Cherry 3342

^WOW!!! FINALLY!!!
ABC under Ayu!
maybe the radio tour promotion start to working...

Ayu and Madonna together...like teacher and her pupil..hahaha

and maybe she can take over number one position of this week...
she has +1 day, from Madonna....(just a little hope though)

i hope...this album has longevity...the most important thing is the end result

Haha no way will Ayu get #1 in her second week if she's already down to 3000 a day, even if she wasn't she won't. Anyone who wants the album will have it now, the promo might let it maintain these numbers for a while, but no way will she be #1.

That new Kis-My-Ft2 Johnny's group are releasing their debut album and their singles sold like...3x more than PQ or something.

lol at madge's number, 6668 :laugh


I guess we'll have less then 100k for its first week? Meh, it's sold quite well tbh.

LOL!!! if madge wasnt there...Ayu would have been 1st!!!! >.<
but this is so cool..Ayu and her idol haha

Easily the most disappointing sales of her career. A shame. FIVE sold so well for a mini, this should not have happened.

This is a real #2. As others said, GUILTY should have been #1 in its first week but the double Oricon week screwed her over. There's no excuse here - it just did not sell well. At all.

Let's see how it does in term of sales longetivity. Ayu has performed well lately in this area. No doubt the biggest Arena Tour calendar of her career is going to keep this in the charts.

I hope she stays around 1k for a few more weeks, I hope she reaches 150k at least

There's one thing I don't understand about Ayu's and many other artists sales in Japan in general. Her sales r pretty much going ONLY downhill after RAINBOW (I'm not counting best albums here). So it's not about music quality. If u look at western artists u will see that some albums sell better some don't sell that good. They have their ups and downs. Here sales just keep on going downhill. Is she like losing 100k fans every year or Japan just doesn't bout her anymore. Seems like Namie is the only artist who really has ups and downs. And again looking at Namie you can' say it's bout physical sales only.

Let's be positive!
Being #1 or not, Ayu is still the queen of J-pop ^^

ITS THE BEGINNING OF THE END o________x
KODA KUMI'S #1 STREAK WITH "JapoNese" BEAT AYU...

KUUCHIE KWEEN BEAT PARTING QUEEN x____X

1st Week
Position: #2
Estimated Sales: 93,128
Official Total Sales: 97,691

2nd Week

1st Day
Position: #2
Sales: 3,735
Total Sales: 101,426

^LOL xD She's #2 everyday since the first day...? Finally +100.000!Congrats

Yes, but Koda Kumi achieved this with a crap load of promotion and still barely did better than Ayu's album which has little promotion in comparison, in an eight week span.

My cousin is a huge KK fan and I was sorta dissapointed. Not in Ayu, but her fans.

+100.000 Congrats :) it`s good :)

its pretty good!

yaaa!!!!! 100k! I'm so happy about it :D

at least it didn't seriously flop :laugh

it happends in all over the world music market
an artist will sell super high in their peak then go down little by little as their peak is over
as for japan the artists releasing in tight pace
even when they r in their peak they will release even 2 month one after another untill the public gets tired of them n following by decreasing sales
while the US artists release even years after an album
the marketing is also diffrrent
US artist tend to release re-cut single while japan rarely.do that..
it's common thing to get lower sales after years in music industry
it's another story when an artist have a hit song then raise the sales again just like namie did
ayu will raise her sales again when she had a big hit n japan take an attention to her again
japanese people think that ayu had retire after rainboe
only hardcore fan who know her realease album..
so ayu need to be noticed again by general public to get a better sales

well its different and not comparable imo. starting just with the age thing, I believe nowadays hit makers in west such as katy perry or lady gaga are in her 30s and just started, ayu in the same age is so old like ancient history in japan lol

CRAP LOAD of promotion? What? It doesn't matter when you have 17 PVs on an album when nobody has heard any of them. That's like saying stuffing an album with 30 tracks is promotion. Kumi did nothing to promote her album the month of release and had no tie-ins for her album tracks.

I don't think that person meant the 17 pvs specifically as promotion :shrug

I wonder what he meant though. Since she had no TV lives for the month of the release and just magazines ala Party Queen. IMO both fans of both artists should be proud of the numbers because there wasn't any promo for both. Having a #1 over a #2 doesn't make it a bigger success so both did well at the end of the day.

She had quite promoted singles leading up to it and the PVs were shown on TV(at least some). Ayumi had no singles and only 4 PVs in total, which apparently weren't even shown on some channels.

gosh, party queen is not a number one album! :(

They had normal promotion. And to counteract that Ayu's PQ cm has been airing 6-8 times an hour and PQ/HBYA has been playing frequently in shops unlike JAPONESQUE. Ayu will always be a much bigger priority and receive the better treatment over Kuu.

Koda Kumi finds her way into here again....:no Get her out asap please :(.

I'd prefer that she wasn't mentioned but I guess it's sort of inevitable. :(

Well now that's based purely on things that cannot really be proved. Fact is one had singles, which always works as a way to promote an album and build anticipation, and one has not had them, one had 17 PVs of which some(?) aired on TV, one had 4. It's possible though Ayumi got more store/CM promotion it's just...nothing we can say for sure unless there's some data on that xD Anyways I'm just happy the sales are around JAPONESQUE level and not lower.

Why? It's not like there's any bashing happening. It's just discussing sales and what led to them without any connection to Ayumi and Kuu as artists or people, only promotion methods. If you can't do that then what can you do? The only way to know if sales are good or bad is comparing.

Please stop comparing Ayu and Ku-chan...both of them are different..although I love Ayu, I also love Ku-chan~~please stop!!

even without much promotion i don't think either of them did well and i'm definitely not proud of their sales lol. ~negative nancy here~
but both of their albums are better than their last 3 or 4 albums so as a fan that's what i'm most proud of. they're both stepping up their game. now it's time for Namie to start following :innocent

Comparing Kuu and Ayu is just as annoying as that "Why are you even here if you don't love Ayu" question imo so why can't these things just stop already? I love both of them and it annoys me to see these two always being compared to each other in every way I can think of. -.-'

Anyhoo, I don't think first week sales were that bad at all. Reaching almost 100K is quite well. She might've done even worse. And being #2 is good. At least it didn't fall out of Top 3 or Top 5 or even Top 10. :yes

I said that because I'm sure that one way or another there will be a person saying "LOL are you comparing ayu to that *****?" And then the Kuu-fan defends Kumi, then the ayu-stan bashes the kumi-fan, and then it goes on and on and on. It always goes like that. I don't even think Kuu should be compared to ayu.

While music is an art, the music business is a business. Those things look good for the artist and anyone who wants to give them more money for better production. The absolute most important thing (especially for a pop singer like Ayumi) are sales.

This is really reaching. I feel like the stars in outer space are closer than this idea being real.

Um, they're both in their 20s and became famous in their early 20s.

Agreed, completely. This is really her "next level."

29 aint early 20 to me, but you can buy whatever you want.

This was what you said: hit makers in west such as katy perry or lady gaga are in her 30s and just started.

Katy Perry is not just starting out, neither is Lady Gaga. lol and Neither of them are 29.

'officialy' they are 27 if Im not wrong and I always count 3 years at least more cause they dont publish real age. And they started 3 years ago if Im not mistaken once again. 27 is old in Japan already if you are japanese

.... um.

Well people who used to go to high school with them have made public comments/posted yearbook photos, and it is fairly easy to track when they were in school. Therefore you can get a pretty close idea of how old they are rather than tacking on almost half a decade due to paranoia of being lied to about age....

I'm not even a fan of theirs and this info took 2 minutes to find. All your justifications are just strange. I will leave you to your thoughts. Have a nice day!

Okay, Donald Trump. You have their birth certificate?

Gaga's been active for 6 years, Katy since 2001, but not really famous until 2008 or so.

lol, the whole point was that ayu is not considered cool (and age thing just contributes to that) so sales are awsome if I take everything in consideration

Nice way to admit that you are wrong. NOT

Points based on incorrect facts hardly have merit.

Katy is 27
Gaga is 25

why are we talking about this in a ayumi forum?

I'm happy that Ayumi got number 2... but said too...
I guess this means e might gets lots of promotion next time around?
Or maybe just the same about because she has sold 100K in the first week with what little they did...

blah!

wtf? why would I think Im wrong, Im just not a person who forces my own opinion on others, I dont have a problem if they want to believe what they want. I leave discussion cause I see no point in discussing katy and lady gaga. Whoever sees that as the way of boosting their ego its their problem. I couldnt care less.

You are funny :roflmao
But whatever, it is going very off topic now.

Which I dont understand that anyways...
isn't kuu and Ayumi in thier 30's now?

Yup. Technically, Kuu will be 30 in November, but close enough. I dunno, these days I don't really see age as a huge factor. Ayu and Kuu in their 30s. Many older popular rock bands are well into their 30s in Japan. Here in the West, J.Lo and Madonna are still around and on TV, but then you have Justin Beiber who has barely hit puberty. Ages are all over the place.

Please, oh please grow up. Seriously. When it comes to music and their images they are different, but when it comes to sales, they are as comparable as any other artist.

Why? They're both avex's A-list artists and both are considered divas in their own ways. Comparing the ways their respective managements are promoting them and the sales is interesting and I can't see how it hurts anyone. No one is really comparing their works...

[QUOTE=njanjayrp;2842938]Please, oh please grow up. Seriously. When it comes to music and their images they are different, but when it comes to sales, they are as comparable as any other artist.

What? LOL! I'm a 28 years old guy, I don't really care how many does Ayu or Kumi sold! But I know that I'm not like some of you guys who keep on whining bout her sale...If you guys want to keep her sale increasing, please, Oh please buy atleast a thousand copies of her album next time :yes then, you all can keep on smiling and satisfied with her sales figure. :rolleyes

[QUOTE=Didz-19;2842950]Maybe some people are just interested in the business, which includes sales? :rolleyes

Well in that case act your own age and stop asking for impossible. I don't care that much about it either, but it gives people something to discuss and it's not like people are really arguing. But no, before even reading the whole convo it's always the easiest thing to tell everyone to shut up because you can't handle them being compared in any way. :rolleyes

Physical sales have been going down for the majority - not just Ayumi. Mind, it's been almost a decade since RAINBOW's release and the internet is much more easily accessible and faster than it was then. Most people would rather stay in and download it rather than go to the store or order online and have to wait for it to arrive - and the digital sales aren't being counted here (and then, of course, there are the people who are downloading it illegally so that will hinder sales).

Kumi was already in the media around the time of the album because of her marriage/pregnancy announcements in December. This isn't "promotion", as such, but it definitely promoted (positive) awareness. Unlike Ayu's divorce which looks to have been received in a more negative light.

Kumi has received a lot of negative feedback as well because of her "shotgun" wedding. So it's not exactly positive either.

How is it impossible if you really care about her sales? I'm not asking for anything~I'm just saying if you really care about her sale, then buy lots of copies of her album (a thousand!). Discuss? Really? Most people in AHS usually arguing (like now). and of course I don't have the time to read the previous pages/posts, it's not like I have more time to read your whining:rolleyes! i can't tell the AHS community to stop comparing, but not all of us really like to compare~ AYU is AYU! You do know that! Even if you compare her with Kumi-chan or Namie or Yuna Ito, they're all different!!! Musically or sales figures! :headache

I was talking more from the perspective of a fan. There's just a lot of worry around here since PQ's release about her sales and streaks etc. I was just saying from a fans perspective it shouldn't matter.

But since you brought it up with me I may as well reply :P

I understand that music is also a business but I beg to differ that an artist like Ayu needs streaks, records and numbers to look good nowadays when her amazing legacy is already stamped, sealed and bolted in Japan. It's a fact she will always be remembered for years to come even if she decided to retire tomorrow due to the records she's set herself.

So even on the business side I don't think it should matter anymore as I think this is a natural fall for any artist who releases albums as frequent as Ayu does. I mean, I'm amazed she's still able to shake the charts up after nearly 14 years of non stop releases :P

Of course, I would love if she had a big comeback the way Namie Amuro did but I'm personally happy if she just keeps releasing new music for us.

+100.000!! Cool!! Waiting for 150.000 in monthly(or yearly :P) album chart!!

I do agree that sales shouldn't matter on some levels, don't get me wrong. I don't think they should matter when it comes to starting fights about two artists that aren't similar; a healthy debate is fine though. I do think they're vital to the artist to continue to get music out for their fans.

For new coming artists, even they worry. It's a big deal for them to become successful (especially in the Pop world). I'm sure you already know. Just reiterating.

I made the comment "(especially for a pop singer like Ayumi)" I only meant in the genre of pop. If Ayumi* or someone less successful all of the sudden lost a ton of sales and concerts, you wouldn't get the same quality music sound or video production.

Sales also let execs and even artists know what's trending. She has to stay current or know what the future curve will be.

*Granted, I know Ayumi has quite a few friends in high places that she could still get the good stuff for years to come.

Just a general comment, not necessarily directed at you :] Irish pride!

Aah finally it hit +100k. Congratulation!

Yeah!!! I hope the album sales will be steady from now on. This album deserves the sales so much, it's one of her best ones if you ask me! :D

People can care about the sales and not buy 1000s of copies. Being interested in sales doesn't mean you have to buy more than 1 copy. Considering you don't have the time to read thru the thread I wonder how did u come up with the conclusion that people are arguing? o.O If you don't like to compare them, simply stay out of the discussion. Their sales should and will always be compared as long as they are relevant. The day one of them bombs completely they'll prolly stop being compared.

^ yep! I only ever buy one copy of Ayumi's albums and singles, but i love checking on her sales...
I think it has something to do with how many people can hear it for me...
I see high sales and i see that her messages is getting out there...
corny i know... but that how i am!

I agree! I think there's just some...pride in seeing your faves do well, isn't there? And high sales also tend to mean high budgets so it's great to be a fan of an artist that sells lots of copies.

yeah...

But I also think that Ayumi is such a force that she can funnel as much money as she wants into an album...
I do have to say after listening to this album for so much know...
The quality of Party Queen (the song) is just lacking... I mean, how the music kinda goes out during the second Kampi! is just... amateur work for me!

^ I pretty much feel the same about it. At first I didn't like it much, but the song has grown on me quite a bit, though it still feels quite unpolished.

I am not sure why people fail to understand that.