The Official Oricon Thread ~A ONE~
 

Oricon Year of 2015 - Up to sixxxxxxx's Release


Achivements:
-Solo female artist with most albums (48 Studio/Mini/Compilation/Remix) in top 10
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000114638
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2051580/full/

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12th Week

Out of the top 50

12th Week
Position: #291
Official Sales: 277
Official Total Sales: 51,328

Right where I was expecting it to be! <3 Congrats to Ayu.

I don't feel like this was the right release date for A ONE personally, but still #3 makes me happy nonetheless. Slay, Ayu!

Isn't that around the same as the single's first day sales?

Zutto... / Last minute / Walk sold 19,825 copies in its first day.

Just in case you want to know:

1. Fukuyama Masaharu 68k
2. Miwa 24k

#1 on recochoku though and #2 on iTunes and the CDL is #2 in DVDs (in front of fukuyama masaharu's tour) curious how much that sold sorry to be off-topic

Next week we'll see if any of the new songs will chart on iTunes weekly songs top 50

Baidu is doing tracking for the songs regularly since release and they seem to be doing ok. WARNING was top among all tracks and NO FUTURE overtook it at some point.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3686716012

4点热度
Album
2 A ONE (=) (1 南方 3 miwa)
307 A COMPLETE ~ALL SINGLES~ (-6)
408 A BEST(-13)
690 Colours (-21)
1057 A THEME SONGS -Drama edition- (-1)

Single
58 NO FUTURE (+5)
70 WARNING (+2)
89 Story(+4)
97 Out of Control(=)
98 The Show Must Go On(+4)
101 The GIFT(=)
124 Anything for You(+4)
150 Movin' on without you(=) 1396 Movin' on without you(+64)
175 Last Minute(+2) 1228 Last Minute(-41)
428 Zutto... (-6)
737 Walk (-23)

The most recent ranking.

Is it from iTunes?

Yeah.

I'm happy it debuted on #3 but seriously? miwa #2? D:

Wasn't miwa's last album really popular though?
It'll be interesting to see if she pulls in numbers only marginally higher than ayu.

I think she has a lot of tie ins.

Ayu has tour dates coming up, which could potentially help push her past Miwa, unless Miwa's sales stay consistent.

Either way I'm content with it haha.

The fact she still can move 20k+ in its first day and 17 years after her debut is amazing for me.

It was pretty popular, it was #1 every day on the first week and sold approx 120,000 copies in 2013.

I'm...a bit disappointed with the sales numbers that I'm seeing. But even then I'm disappointed more with miwa as well, even if it's #2. (Probably because too much 'recycled' content, and some miwa fans may be complaining at this).

http://s26.postimg.org/6axcqxiad/CCE0ld_NUEAA158y.jpg

After all, in the #ayuvsmiwa fight, who's number one? Neither. Masaharu Fukuyama, that is. It turns out that Masaharu has racked up more than miwa and Ayu - COMBINED - and I have a feeling he may have racked up probably a week's worth of miwa's or Ayu's albums in just ONE DAY!

Overall, I feel that more recently we're seeing a bit too much congestion, where it seems some artists are just denying chances of #1 to others, such as Masaharu Fukuyama is doing to both Ayu and miwa. But we need to also consider about digital sales...

There is one thing that we can be happy about: Countdown Live is #1 among music DVDs, as of now.
http://s26.postimg.org/cr6bh0qtx/CCE11_DPUg_AAEPQN.jpg

But apparently the #1 spot for ALL DVDs in general - including movies - is Yamapi - Tomohisa Yamashita - on some domestic theatrical movie... (VAP Video!?)
http://s26.postimg.org/wupxt2itx/CCE2_ATQUIAATRDZ.jpg

Not suprised... This album is just too recycled. Some tracks sound like remakes specially the show must go on and anything for u. Though 3rd place isn't bad, I still wanted A One to beat kumi's walk of my life. I'll shut up now.

Okay, here's what I can tell you guys about this Masaharu Fukuyama matter: 'Tamariku' is NOT a studio album. I don't understand why a non-studio album is outselling the next two albums - miwa and Ayu, both studio albums - COMBINED.

I just don't understand why such an album could outsell two studio albums. Weird.

Ayu was obviously not going to beat Kumi's first day, Kumi had her FC DVD version and music cards.

Because he is very popular.

I already knew A ONE was not going to get #1 as much as I want to see it happen

And it's quite obvious Fukuyama Masaharu will get #1 instead given that this album of his has an interesting concept that I have not seen from other artistes

If A ONE can chart better than Colours it's more than enough

Hopefully it will sell better later this week. Sadly ayu's presence isn't what it used to be. She's pretty much tarnished her reputation in japan. Well, time heals all wounds right?

I'm sure Seiko wishes it did! :P

there is tour this weekend, probably lots of fans will buy their copies there...

2nd day - #4

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2015-04-08/

So on the 2nd day it sold lest than 8000 already.
It's tough time for solo artists, really. (miwa also dropped to less than 10k)
I wonder if this album can even reach 40k total.

It seems like Ayu'fans are lazy to go out for buying the physical copy but buy digitally instead.
A ONE is still at #2 iTune Japan, miwa was dropped to #4
A ONE is #1 at Recochoku, also it brought A BEST back at #4 and terminal at #33
That's amazing yet for me

hopefully it will enter top 3 again during the week =)

A BEST is neverending gosh. lol

There's nothing too surprising about it when you consider the Japanese market right now. There isn't much new material on the charts that's REALLY grabbing hold of the Japanese music-buying public these days. I can't remember the last time a single got released where there was an atmosphere of "Oh yeah this song is gonna be a classic!" around it. So tribute albums and cover albums have been doing so well over the last few years.

Plus fans requested that he cover these songs specifically - it's a tracklist full of songs people WANTED to hear Masaharu cover, for sure, no question. There are literally no gambles on here. Combine that with Masaharu's old school name recognition, general good reputation, oddly sweet face, and very nice voice, and this album basically becomes a no-risk purchase. If you're inclined to buy it, it's guaranteed you're going to like it - so there's no reason not to get it if you're even remotely thinking about it. There's no such guarantee with Ayu or miwa.

If Bigtop even bothered to do a bit of research on why Fukuyama's「Tamashii Riku」is not a studio album (which obviously he doesn't since I assumed he doesn't listen to Fukuyama's music but I do) , that's because Fukuyama has not released any singles after he released his 11th studio album HUMAN last April

「Tamashii Riku」is a covers album that Fukuyama put out to commemorate Tamashii no Request . Tamashii no Request is a segment of his radio show where Fukuyama would sing + play the guitar to songs requested by the radio listeners

Tamashii no Request ended its broadcast last month after 15 years on air which's where 「Tamashii Riku」comes in as it's a collection of songs that Fukuyama sang/covered over the years

And for the record , Fukuyama doesn't release studio albums as often as before . The time gap release difference between HUMAN & his last studio album Zankyou was 5 years

Ayu and Miwa just can't compete with Legend M

seriously though considering she's been in the scene for 17 years, the fact that she can still hit Top5 is beyond amazing! Let alone hit the very top in the digital downloads. I'd say she's still quite relevant and obviously still has a huge following. Could AKB48 do that in 10 years? I wonder lol

At least ayu kills everyone except for B'z and Mr.Children in the total sales of albums+singles area. =P

In a few years AKB48 might catch up if they will still sell a million per single/album and will release a lot of them, if they won't start to go down soon.

ayu's sales are decent for her state. Don't forget she also released a DVD/blu-ray so there's more to the money, and with the tour she will get her share of few hundrand thousands dollars as well. I'm glad that the tour has 4 additional dates to show us she is still successful and drama makers still want her songs for their dramas.

ayu is not popular among the whole public anymore but she is in a good state.

ayu might win Legend M on the DVD department this week though, as he released his 2014 tour dvd this week. She is #1 for 2 days but I will wait to see throughout the week if it continues, masaharu is #2.

Lol!!! Wait now I think I'll cry if that happens to ayu.

I expected more but...nothing to complain about

unfortunately, sales at the venue are barely counted, so it won't do much for the numbers =/

but 20k is a good first day, she wasn't going to get #1 at oricon anyway, and she's doing great on digital rankings, so I think the album is doing fine. And hopefully the tour will help on the long run :)

Not bad, considering we never knew what Colours first day sales were, since it was #5.

Fukuyama is insanely popular in Japan, even after all this time. Not just as a singer but as an actor as well. So it's really not surprising that any album by him would do relatively well.

ayu's Yearly sales since 2010 (albums/singles/DVDs/Blu-rays):

2010: 867,388
2011: 731,911
2012: 449,586
2013: 267,541
2014: 178,256

If she can sell an amount of 100,000-110,000 this year it would be cool.

I will never understand how one artists sales affect the other.
If you like the music then that wont stop you from buying albums from two different
artists.

Top 3 is not bad for how long has ayu has been in the music industry, other artist don't
even make it to top 20. Some people get bored of an artist and stop buying the albums,
that will always happen.

on another note: I'm loving what I'm hearing so far in A ONE, I'm super excited for this album and
I'm happy that she's doing good in sales. Bad sales doesn't make bad music.

the fact that A ONE's
first day sales outsells CoLours's
mean a lot to me.
I just wish the album will
chart fairly long like Ayu's
previous albums..

Can anyone tell me
how many weeks did CoLours
stay on charts?

^But we don't know the first day sales of Colours because it was #5.
Or am I wrong ?

Colours charted 10 weeks.

Yeah it was #5 on the first day so we can't know.

That lack of promotion AT ALL really killed Colours.

Where did you grab these figures?

From the oricon threads that were made here since 2010, which most of them I created =)

They are accurate.

Fukuyama fans = older Japanese ladies (>35) with higher disposable income, and more interested in physical copies
Hamasaki = Younger fans, less disposable income, more interested in obtaining whatever is cheaper and more mobile (iTunes, Chaka-uta)

Fukuyama has always been a SALES KING anyways.

Oricon really needs to include digital sales to really be representative of what is sold, but instead they removed concert venue sales and Internet sales...wtf

I have mixed feelings about these sales. In my opinion, this album has really powerful songs. It is way better than her last records, but it seems that quality has nothing to do with sales anyway. There is a lack of new fans buying her stuff. Only old hardcore fans actually know when she releases something new. So good albums/songs just decrease the loss of old hardcore fans over time. Sadly, it is just a matter of time until her concert venues are getting smaller.

Just painful to see that sales are going down with every new album and single. I would rather see more up and down in sales from record to record than this straight way down.

^^Well, that was back in the 00's... Ayu's public is at least 25+ nowadays. Someone who was 10 during when she started is 27 now.

if ayu n avex can't b bothered about the sales, why shd we? ayu's greatness shdnt be measured by numbers on the chart anyway. there's just too much actual sales missing from oricon like sales from concert site, digital album sales, Teamayu versions. do they count mu-mo's total sales?

(how many of us did actually bought the Japan physical version lol)

How can anyone say sales aren't important. So an artist is fine with their music not being heard or heard by fewer listeners every year?? Fans that once supported her for years are leaving and it doesn't bother her?? When ayu at the cost of her left ear plus a broken knee pushed through just to please those same fans. Sales don't define quality but is freaking important.

@TriStar her concerts venues aren't getting smaller for now, but her tour dates are.

u didn't understand my msg....
looking the way avex n avex r behaving, the sales on oricon clearly doesnt reflect the real sales going on. though they seemed a bit more desperate now, going all out online through fb, utube n twitter. but if they're really concern abt the sales reflected on oricon, I believe more could be done.

That's because I wasn't replying to you.....

Mess.

I wonder how much ayu sold for the 3rd day...
Should be out soon.

Of course they care about sales, they wouldn't promote at all if they didn't care at all, but they aren't obsessed with keeping a #1 streak or breaking records.
Like for example Kumi keeps releasing her albums on the slowest weeks of the year to get #1, I don't think we will see that from Ayu, at least I hope we won't.

Ayu's popularity in digital sales got a great boost last year with ridiculous comeback of A BEST with its cheap price.
Ayu is currently #1 and #2 on Recochoku albums, A complete also jumped back up to #49.

http://i.imgur.com/GawTHLh.png

A company will invest less and less in an artist if they don't provide enough income to garner a profit. Of course sales are important because it means better opportunities and resources invested from within the company (to things like tours, etc.).

I mean, one could make the argument that the poor attention to proper mixing and less time/resources spent in fleshing out the layering in arrangements and compositions is because the company just doesn't see the benefit of spending the additional time/resources when sales just continue to decline regardless.

From a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense. (Although it's kind a double edged sword cause how can they expect sales to pick up otherwise?)

It's funny how you always bring Kuu down or try to make her look desperate all the time. I agreed with you on some things earlier but I started noticing you have nothing positive to say about Kuu (besides liking her remixes) while everything Ayu does is alright. If anything Ayu/her team were the ones consistently obsessed with #1 singles and albums and always tried to find the best weeks possible for her from about the 90s up until 2013. Meanwhile in Kuu's peak she barely got any #1 singles and got the majority of them after her peak passed by luck.

Kuu has never been a priority for Avex like Ayu in the past or present. (a more fair comparison is Ayu vs Namie Amuro) If she gets #1 albums now it's pretty much because she got lucky. On the otherhand Avex has always tried to promote Ayu as much as possible and specifically found the best weeks for her to release her singles and albums in until about recently.

Fell down to Southern All Stars (last week's release) for the #3 spot. Ugh. :eviltongu

Seriously, outdated business. This is ridiculous. What's wrong with Oricon?

But, yeah, you also have to consider about this 'aging' Japanese population, and the fact that older Japanese ladies are more familiar with CDs than digital music compared to the younger fans such as the miwa fanbase, that may be a good reason why...

We're glad still that Ayu's dominant in the digital music charts, it's just that the Oricon physical charts are now more dominated with 'late-model' artists (such as Masaharu Fukuyama, Mr.Children, Southern All Stars and B'z) and idols (e.g. Johnny's, AKB48) for various reasons, such as more people would be interested in buying physical releases for 'late-model' artists, you usually can't find Johnny's releases on digital music outlets such as iTunes, and AKB48's handshake/general election tickets, all those reasons that make their releases #1...

...while Ayu - have to agree on that, could be younger fans as well (I'm actually a bit surprised :rolleyes).

I have no memory of trying to 'bring kuu down' all the time, I'm a fan of her after all, I wouldn't put lots of time into following her if I hated her immensely. I used Kumi as an example because her sales are close to ayu's, I could use AKB as an example with their thirst for #1 but they are a million selling idol group using handshake event tickets to boost sales, not exactly the best comparison.

I'm aware of Ayu's team trying to keep her #1 record for a long time, but I'm not talking about what happened years ago, I'm talking about her promotion and sales now. I'm sure they knew Colours and A One weren't getting #1 from the start, while rhythm zone/team kumi puts some effort into looking up when to release Kumi's albums. Kumi's team probably isn't putting effort into getting #1 singles because they know she sells more albums and concentrate on that.

I apologize if some things I've said have offended you, I may be a bit rude when I'm tired.

I don't know tbh. Personally I think Kuu's team/RZ isn't smart enough to do something like that but we'll just have to keep our own opinions on that matter I suppose.

I also apologize for my outburst as the same happens to me when I'm tired. :) I'm just really use to seeing some Ayu fans pick on Kuu whenever they can and just got tired of the consistent comparison between them for the past ten years.

For those who are interested in chart position and total sales for all Ayu's releases, can see from here:

http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Hamasaki_Ayumi

Wouldn't Colours have gone #1 if it were released like 2/3 weeks later? I know it would've been second to Kyary if it was released a week later, right? I know positions aren't that important but it would've been nice to see the album at #1 if it were released in a weaker week. :P

I remembered I read somewhere that Kuu's WOML was supposed to get released on 4th March but because of B'z , the release date was changed

Perhaps avex still wants Kuu to keep her #1 streak for her albums ? I don't know but I'm sure that doesn't apply to Ayu anymore since she already has accomplished so much at this point in time

Does Ayu really have younger fans though? Wouldn't most of her fans be around 30 now?


Oricon does count fanclub and mu-mo sales. Soundscan doesn't.



OMG someone gets it!



But didn't everyone think he was going to get #1 from jump though?



Is it though? I mean Shiina Ringo came out the same year as her and regularly does it. And Masaharu is celebrating his 25th anniversary this year and he's beating Ayu.

I don't mind miwa selling more physically tbh but it bothers me that she does it with an album that is way worse than her last one. Delight had a lot of great songs (Delight, Hikarie, 321, sparrow, whistle, miracle, LOUD!) and this one only has oen good single IMO (Faith) so it bothers me that an album that is IMO a lot worse than A ONE is selling better ://

KuuXAyu-fan, I wouldn't reply to this message if I wouldn't see the words "luck" and that you will hold your opinion up.
Rythme Zone (which is an avex company) have proffessionals to do the job of finding a release date to release where it's best! It's called "analysts". They are a proffessional company and they know what to do regarding strategies, marketings etc. You can't say they are not smart enough to have analysts, especially after what they did with kuu all the time (since 2004) and another great example would be EXILE. They very much know what they are doing, and each date kuu released an album, they chose it extremely carefully, Karenpang's post above is just an example, just don't let your love for kuu make you blind of these things, kuu doesn't work since day 1 in her own independent company where she doesn't know anything or don't have budget for promotion or marketing. No one gets anything by luck, even though ayu and her had some competition from time to time for their #1s albums or singles.

She has more dates than last year (even though it was a really short tour), but the fact that this tour was meant to be 18 dates and is now 22 is a great sign. Also she tours more than most other artists in Japan, popular or not.
Just in 2012 she was the top solo artist with most attendants for that year.

Besdies sales which avex probably know how ayu would do, people always seem to forget that she still does great money for avex from touring, goods, endorsements (when she gets), tie-ins (like Step by step) and sales/digital sales. ayu probably has a good budget but besides a minmal promo, or promo that ayu agrees to do, it doesn't seem they bother (both ayu and avex) with more than what needed. That's how it looks like anyway. I'm not sure if the tours are great enough to pay for everything+pay for the next stuff promotions but it's probably a lot of money. If seiko sold just a few thousands for a long time and had a budget for her arena tours, so can ayu have budget for her stuff. Even if it's promo and not tour related, question is how much promo they believe she needs and how much promo she or them want for her.

A ONE reminds steady at #4 on the 3rd day of release

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2015-04-09/

^ thank god, i hope it can manage to jump to higher positions on the weekend

I'm afraid that Southern All Stars will get #3 place on Weekly Albums T_T

Honestly I rather A ONE get denied the #1 spot by someone established instead of a Johnny's or girl group , even though I'm a big Johnny's fan by nature

Since the tour will start tomorrow , I'm sure it will help sustain A ONE in the chart . Hopefully it can chart longer than Colours

On a side note it's hard to believe Budou is Southern All Stars' 1st album in 10 years but yet they still can sell really well . 300K in the 1st week nowadays is such a rarity number to get

If Oricon started counting digital sales, Ayu would probably be at the top. You can't ignore a popular format like that and still expect to see accurate numbers.

For sure, just look at who attends Ayu's concerts compared to the people that go WILD for Fukuyama. The fact that Ayu is #1 and #2 digitally means a lot. There are probably lots of closet Ayu fans :cool

LMAO :roflmao

I think Billboard Japan does count digital/physical/streaming numbers so she'll might get a higher position there ^^

Even though it's normal these days, I can't wrap my head around the numbers...sigh. Like oricon even means a damn thing anymore anyway since they still act like it's 2002

From what I remember Billboard only collects from specific branded shops.

why? digital sales are almost insignificant in japan :rolleyes

except for a few acts like Kana Nishino or Utada

you know RIAA counts 10 digital songs as 1 cd sold? and ayu songs nowadays barely sell 100k digitally, that would be just 10,000+ copies sold

I agree with you.
The only album ever gotten certified digitally for Gold (100,000+) is the Frozen soundtrack (which sold over 1 million physically btw).
Digital sales aren't that high in Japan like everybody is thinking.
It's great that A ONE is #1 at recochoku and such, but actual digital sales for it probably aren't that high. So I don't know if combining digital and physical sales would make a big difference at all. For anybody.

4th day - #4 again for the 3rd straight day

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2015-04-10/

I wanted her on top 3 =\\

and Oricon didn't count CD sold outside Japan anymore :(

Oricon never counted sales outside of Japan, it's not nothing new.
Until some time ago they were counting copies that were shipped overseas (eg. from sites like CDJapan) but they don't anymore, but these were just a few hundred copies anyway.

1st Day: #3, Sales: 20,025
2nd Day: #4, (#3 sold 8,237)
3rd Day: #4, (#3 sold 4,846)
4th Day: #4, (#3 sold 3,377)

I guess it's safe to say sales are somewhere around 30k now, not bad.

40k for the first week seems possible...

and maybe there will be a boost from her tour

^ I think 34~35k is more likely for the first week.

I hope to pass 40k in total

About that. Do you think that mu-mo is counted in the oricon? I mean that mu-mo shipped the package bought by foreigner in Japan and it's only tenso who sends them oversea. Do you think that Oricon counts them or not? Does someone know something about that?

Well that's a good question.
If it's the same policy as CDJapan then maybe they don't count it but since they go to tenso or places in Japan then they might be counted.

^
^I think they do. After all, the copy was shipped by mu-mo within Japan. I also think it is part of the strategy they don't ship overseas directly and make you use Tenso, that way the copy is counted on charts.

I doubt that it's the reason to use Tenso.
They use Tenso because they probably don't want to start messing with international shippings from their warehouses/financial reasons. God knows really why though but that's the only rational explanation I could find.

^I'm really evil-minded sometimes...

I'm totally hoping for the same. I'm literally praying for it.

The concert site sales will probably be a good amount even though only a percentage. And I wonder if FC editions are counted at first on Oricon or if they are counted after all is said and done for the week.

^ I don't think they are counted later, considering that for Kumi her pre-ordered FC editions sales were definitely counted on the first day I assume for Ayu it would be the same since it's all mu-mo...

The chances of #3 are really up in the air because of Southern All Stars, who released an album LAST WEEK...

Ugh... (>_<)

I do think TV Live performance do help in promoting her album as well. And it's really seems to be a long time to see her in those tv live performance... :(

They are counted on the first day (FC versions) like has been said, kuu's new album sold 30,000 on its first day and then dropped to like 3,000 on the 2nd day (and it had a live DVD on its FC version).

5th day - #4 again

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2015-04-11/

So it's safe to assume A ONE will get #4 overall since it has been #4 for 4 straight days ?

At least it will chart higher than Colours which's not a bad thing imo

We have to know if SAS already outsold A ONE first day

^ They did. SAS so far this week sold 29,367 + the first day we don't know, and their sales are not going down, so it's very likely Ayu will get #4...