Ayu Discounted DVD's - BUY THEM HERE!
 

Complete Clip Box

Arena Tour 2002

Countdown Live 2001-2002

Stadium Tour 2002

A Museum

Yes, i'm aware they are bootlegs... If you don't like bootlegs, fine. I'm just trying to help some people out here. Yeah I ordered the Complete Clip Box... It's only 30 bucks and REGION FREE... I really don't have the money right now to spend on a region free dvd player and the overpriced Clip Box... so in the meantime I got the bootleg...

I realize i'm gonna get crucifyed for this... but I kinda don't see the big problem... All of you have downloaded Ayu videos, and don't buy them afterwards, you burn them to DVD's... Don't even try to lie... I have the right to decide what I wanna spend my money on, I don't need lectures and anti-bootleg people on my back. I know what I am doing is wrong, I'm not funding Ayu... Neither are most of you... so I suggest you don't even try to say anything, because you will get caught in your own hypocrisy... Maybe instead of trying to get people to stop downloading music, we should try to stop music bootleggers... :rolleyes

It's one thing to download music, but it's another to buy bootlegged items...

how? explain, by doing either, you're still not supporting the artist. And i'm aware of the whole "bootleggers are connected to more serious crimes, blah blah blah"


I am not endorsing bootlegs, and i'm not saying buy them, but the hypocrisy is annoying.

Here at AHS we have a whole section dedicating to downloading Ayu stuff... But we don't know what people will choose to do with the downloaded stuff... They could either burn it to a CD, not planning to ever buy it... Or just use it as a sample to decide whether the song is worth buying... Same with bootlegs, people could buy it and never plan to buy the real thing or use it as a sample to see if they like it... Stopping bootlegs isn't gonna save the world... I could care less what the people do with the money, drugs, prostitution... I only care about my satisfaction... Call me selfish, evil, whatever you want, but thats my view on it...

I always make copies of CDs I'm never going to buy...of artists that are usually less main stream or whatnot. I wouldn't buy these Ayu bootlegs though cos I want to collect her actual stuff but yeah I agree with AFanForXX and Phantoma, they're doing what alot of people do only...they're making a profit.

It's one thing to download the item, but it's another to be selling items that aren't legitimate.

I just don't think it's right to be getting a profit off bootlegs.

I do feel bad... I had bought 3 Ayu CD bootlegs, this was at a time when I had no clue that they were selling bootlegs... If I had known I wouldn't have bought them in fear that it wouldn't have been good quality... The bootlegs were great, I mean the booklets were good, the CD worked fine. But I noticed there was no mention of Avex so I realized it was bootleg... I vowed not to buy any bootlegs anymore (for j-pop at least) but for lack of self-control I had to... :yfrown

It's not like all the Ayu items I own are bootlegs... I'm quite pissed they had to make a bootleg of the Complete Clip Box... DAMN THEM! Someday i'll probably more clearly understand why I shouldn't buy bootlegs... I guess I don't fully respect Ayu yet...

we had this concversation on AIM lready..:-P..

and no..i dont burn them to DVDs....maybe cuz i dont have a player...but thats not the point!!

point is...ur helping ppl make profit off something that isnt theres, by downloading, no one is making a profit. Its bad, but not as bad as buing bootlegs

just gotta say....what about ebay?...lots of people use it..and even if the stuff u buy is not bootlegs....ur still just buying it from someone else..and ur not helping the artist any...

hohoho
may i ask....
what is bootleggers ????

Bootleggers are people who make/sell fake copies of items for profit, whether it's using fake CDs, videos, or anything else which isn't real.

Well...at least there was some profit made in the 1st place..

this is where the Copy Control comes in...if it actually WORKED..there'd be less CDs on Ebay

Encouraging people or providing sources for buying bootlegs should not be tolerated in this forum. I also recommand, if we are to support ayu at all, downloading of ayu's merchandises (those on sale) to be prohibited except for limited, out-of-print items. Seriously, I think the majority of people who have downloaded will not purchase the actual items, though I do.

Why not just buy the VCD's?

yeah...promoting bootlegged merchandise is not the way to go...you're really not helping too many people by doing this. hey, if i have the money, i'll just visit a local store or go to yesasia even and just get what i want. it's as simple as that. yeah, i download stuff from ahs, but i download CMs, and items i cannot get otherwise. if there was a "Complete Ayumi Hamasaki CM Collection", heck..i'd be the first in line to grab a copy..or three :) i have no reason to lie to you about anything..you just gotta calm down..no one is pointing a gun at your head and saying "Buy bootlegged cd's, dvd's, etc." i'd like to quote gohan in the entirety of his words because those are words of wisdom..take heed.

I try to purchase albums, but hey, like i said many times b4, im only 13 and i've spend over 300 dollars...its not a good thing to download, but make the effort to support her when u can:).

Here's Complete Clip Box: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=4021413770&rd
$25. That's cheaper then the bootleg you were financing.

If you don't have the money to buy the "overpriced Clip Box," why don't you just save your money up until you have enough? That seems reasonable enough to me.

Downloading is way different than bootlegging, as I stated before. Downloading is free. Bootlegging isn't free. Why give someone $30, when you can have it for free? And if you want it on DVD, burn it to disc. Or wait until you have enough money, then buy the legit thing. Or even buy a VCD from the link I gave you.

If you knew people were going to be upset with you, then why did you post the links in the first place? Most of us will be annoyed with the fact that you're doing this. The one's who aren't, probably won't buy the items anyway. So what's the point?

It's one thing to not fund Ayu. But it's another thing to fund someone else by not funding Ayu.

Also, what's with your last comment? It seems that you've also caught yourself in your own hypocricy...


Phantoma, there's a bootleg for almost every Ayu item. So, you just have to know the right resources to find cheap things. Ebay is what most people like to do. And no, it's not the same as giving money to a bootlegger because it's the official item, and it had once been purchased.

I don't think it's about respecting Ayu, I think it's more about knowing what's right, what's wrong, and how to know when something is too good to be true.

Why doesn't someone just close this thread right now? I really don't feel like arguing... You guys are such hardcore fans... Maybe I don't belong here... I really don't wanna fight with anybody, and I really don't want people to look at me badly...

As stated earlier... the bottom line is... Bootlegging or downloading you're STILL not supporting the artist... I posted this because I knew how you guys would act... Like rabid fanboys... It's kinda disgusting if you ask me that you should even care if Ayu loses um... a few bucks out of her salary... You should have simply ignored the topic...

Sorry if I made it look like I was attacking people... I respect you all for trying to change my mind...

Either way you didn't learn your lesson and you're probably going to do it over again...

Only one person mentioned how downloading is wrong. So don't go off calling us fanboys when we're not talking about downloading.
Tim was the only person who said anything about supporting Ayu. So if anyone should be called a fanboy, it should be him- or atleast with those standards.

This isn't about supporting Ayu. This is about giving people money for breaking the law.

You just don't get it...:shakehead

Don't get so worked up over this people :no :no

I used to buy bootlegs all the time last time... :msad
Yeah I was in financial difficulties. But now when I have more in my pocket, I make it a point to avoid bootlegs and buy the originals. I'm pretty sure everyone has it in them. They won't go over and choose the bootlegs if they can help it.

Just don't get used to buying booties I guess, in a way you're getting yourself ripped off your money too. And bootlegs are like a vicious cycle. The more profit their illegitimate business brings in, the more high-quality their copies will become, and in larger quantities as well. Higher quality bootlegs draws more people to buy them. Rinse and repeat. I know this because I come from a place where it's like bootleg heaven :mgrin

Anyway download the ones you're missing and burn them if you can... please don't support the bootleggers.

And stay cool people... don't let this get to your heads :yes :yes

i know that bootlegs kinda steals money from ayu, and i dun wanna be unfaithful to ayu. but think about it, she earns enough money anyway - she's rich, hello? She earns the largest salary per year of ANYONE in japan, and avex tries to charge us like $100 (yep, in australian dollars that's wot it almost turns out to be). i guess with so many clips it's worth it, but who has that kinda money to spend on a hobby. and we always say 'we wanna be faithful to ayu' but at the risk of getting yelled at here: news flash, she's not gunna get offended, she doesn't know us. you can do a lot worse things, i mean we act like she's our family or she actually knows us but the ayu we 'love' is not real. she's a product, she said so herself. ok im done lol

The horror! -_-

Phantoma's right though.

We have a downloads section. The album or whatever was bough once, and then is just distributed out to anyone. That's not supporting her (more than once). Even with bootlegs, the product had to be bought at one point.

Aye aye aye!

The point is not that bootlegs're are being "unfaithful" to Ayu or making her loose money! :no :no

The point is: Bootlegs are KILLING the music industry. I've seen many local bands die out because their CDs won't sell well enough thanks to bootlegs. It's tragic. Yeah a few bootlegs won't hurt Ayu but it will to small-time indie bands trying to get a name for themselves. Buying Ayu's bootlegs, or ANYONES in that matter, supports the bootleggers, and in return they make more bootlegs, of OTHER artists. Eventually they bootleg everything just to bring in money. And it works in the worst possible way for the new bands/artists. People aren't sure if their music is good or not so they just buy the cheap bootlegs. In the end, the newbies won't get enough copies sold to keep their recording contract. It's THAT SERIOUS.

Haiz... I'm sorry if I sounded too harsh or something but this is a serious matter... it just kinda irks me when people don't understand the seriousness of buying bootlegs. :no :no

It was kinda funny when a few bands died out due to bootlegs, but I've seen enough people with potential fall it's not even abit funny anymore.

Please try to understand people... :yes :yes

Not all money earned from CD sales goes to Ayu, though. Most of it goes to Avex and its employees. So while Ayu may have a lot of money, it doesn't mean that we should all start buying bootlegs so she'll get poor or something.

but to the artist, how is file sharing any better than bootlegging? they're still not getting the money for their hard work. regardless of who's getting the money, ayu or avex, it's still stealing.

o_o whoa, there are some uber-opinionated people on here. calm down! everyone!!!



hi phantoma! :)



hi bongo! :P

yea i know u guys are right, i know bootleg cds are wrong, its just that ppl think they're wrong for the wrong reasons sometimes. i think its mostly the morally wrong-ness that would make me feel bad to buy it...

upto now, no one's flamed anyone else, and we've been having a serious conversation civilly. can't we have one without some completely unnecessary "calm down" comments? i don't mean to offend, but as soon as some people see a debate, they bring out red flags and assume it's a flame war, which this is not.

Come on now, we wouldn't want people to voice their opinions! Before you know, everybody's doing it! It will be chaos!

edit: Removed the ;) smily. I think the irony is clear enough without already.

edit #2: Just to make sure, i was supporting your post.

XD, i woulda gotten it without the disclaimer

:D

Ironic is a good song. :D

You mean the Alanis Morisette song? That song rocks! :D


There's really not a point in continuing this thread at all since Phantoma already set himself up to be hardheaded and defensive right from the beginning.

=/ sorry, opinionated was the only word i could think of. ddint think it was offensive. jeremy takes it back. have a nice day!

I agree that it is good to support Ayu and stuff, but sometimes I succumb to going the cheaper route when it comes to concerts. Heck, I bought a video taped version of Dome Tour 2001 taped from Sky Perfect TV because I wanted the concert so badly when it first came out. My main problem with bootlegs is that you pay for crap and that's usually what you get. A few years ago, I bought a bootleg of Ayu-mix III NSMM thinking it was a legit version. Not only was it missing the second disc, but they misspelled the names of every remix, Ayu's symbol was printed upside down numerous times, and the mega mix cd skipped at the end. It was extremely poor quality and it showed. The bottom is that Ayu's stuff isn't sold in America or Europe, and it's hard to come by. Places like Yesasia are great and all for us outside of Japan and Asia, but if you are going to go the cheap way and get a bootleg, you are usually selling yourself short quality wise.

right, first off, Sven, you are one of the funniest, most sarcastic people i've ever had the joy of meeting :D

Secondly, yes, bootlegging is bad, but i myself have been responsible for buying a bootleg in the past, and yes, i KNEW it was a bootleg before purchasing it. However, this was not and Ayu bootleg, it was the Archives Of Studio Ghibli box set. Yes, what i did was wrong, but at the same time, i really couldn't care less. IF companies wanted their official products to be bought world wide, then release the damn things world wide. At the time i bought the box set, Princess Mononoke was the only ghibli movie available within the UK, so i think i'm almost justified in what i did. (plus i'd read that the official box set was no longer available in japan. However, i would try my utmost hardes to stay away from Ayumi bootlegs as, when I buy an ayu item, i want an official one, but mostly for the sentimental value that it would bring as every ayu item i can obtain would be special to me.

At the same time though, a lot of us here are teens with no real source of income, I earn £12 a week for crying out loud, that's like what, a trip to the cinema with a bag of popcorn and a large coke. I would love to have every official ayu item under the sun, but get real. I know i love ayumi to bits, but in the future, what if i decide i no longer like her. I'd look back and think, DAMN, i wasted £1000+ and i don't even like her now. All i'm trying to say is yes, bootlegs are bad, but buying all the official items is just plain crazy.

One member (my apologies for not paying attention to exactly who it was) claimed to be young and have spent at least $300 on official Ayu items. I can stand here and say (well, sit and type) that i am 17 years old and own a whole... 5 Ayumi items. They are the & single, memorial Address, stadium tour dvd, 2004 calendar (which may i add, i must change today) and the memorial address poster. Yes, i would like to own more, and will hopefully be buying some stuff at the end of the year, but i own only those 5 items after 5 years of fandom, all down to the fact that i'm young, and have never had the money to spend on such things.

Finally, yeh, downloading is basically the same as buying bootlegs, and that's something everyone should be ashamed of, but meh, we're still gonna do it :D

I bought two Fushigi Yugi Bootlegs for that same reason. They should release the damn things here. We have specialist hobby shops, why not specialist music stores that import Asian music. They should realise by now alot of Asian people live in the UK..so..sell the music..and us British people will buy it too..they don't seem to realise ho wmuch money they stand to make out of selling the stuff. x_x

:yes :yes :yes You hit the nail on the head there my friend :yes :yes :yes

:D

True. I think buying bootlegs can be 'justified' when the item you are about isn't normally available, like the Ghibli Box you mentioned. I myself don't have an awful lot of bootlegs, except for some live CDs, like Deftones gigs. I don't see a point in not buying it; the Deftones sure as hell aren't gonna release them, and if I really want them, it's the only solution. If I was after some movies that just weren't available anymore but as bootlegs, I would defiinitely consider buying them.

Now, for Ayu stuff, it's an entirely diffent issue. Items like the Complete Clip Box are regularly available. The cost a hella lot, but well, maybe we are just spoilt because we're so used to getting everything eversince the invention of P2P-sharing, MP3, and DiVX. We're not willing to pay 50 bucks for something we can get for 25, but I seriously think you should just get straight with yourself and pay the full 50.

At the same time, James has a point as well; we're not rich. Well, most of us aren't. So we should just get over 'it' and be satisfied with what we can buy and obtain. Back when I just became an Ayu-fan I had serious plans to buy every Ayu release out there, and now I'm glad I didn't have the money for it back then.

Just like James, I don't have a crapload of Ayu items either. I have all the official albums including Memorial Address (that makes 6), A Best, A Ballads, and a A Ballads poster. That's it. So hell. Why'd I buy 31 singles, all in their 3 different versions, one to be unwrapped and the rest to stay sealed so I can look at it at night, when I'm in my bed, and sometimes just grab a few sealed CDs to touch the cellophane. Howdee, golly, such fun.

And downloading? Do it. As much as you want. I do it too, and I still buy CDs and whatever. I could probably download Shiina Ringo's 'Electric Mole' DVD today, but I'm waiting for another two months 'til I have enough money to pay the 35 bucks it's gonna cost me.

As did I. At the time, I just had to find as much Ayu-related stuff as possible! I'd go to CD stores and start browsing the pop and world sections in hopes that there'd be at least 1 Ayu (or J-Pop) CD, but could never find one. If I had, I'd probably have loads of Ayu CDs by now, but at the same time, I'd have CDs which I'd hardly ever listen to because I don't like certain mixes. The "glory" about MP3s is that you can hear things for free. What you do after that is entirely up to you (such as, whether you'll go and buy the CD or not), but at least that option exists for now.

After reading the comments here, I've been thinking about 1 of 3 things. Either I should just stop posting Ayu MP3s all together, offer them in 128kbps or less, or just upload old/rare songs (such as the Excerpt Series, Nothing from Nothing, Vinyls, etc). Honestly, who here has actually bought an album/single after downloading it here? I'm sure a few have, but others will probably never even consider it. At the moment, I'm undecided on what I'll do, but it's topics like this which really make you think.

To answer your question about who has bought a album/single after downloading it here, I have.I just use the mp3s to decide if I want the single or not then I trash the mp3s or videos after I get the offical product.

Well, I downloaded the & single, then bought it shortly after. With memorial address, i had the chance to dl B.O.Y and Angels Song but decided to wait, as i wanted a surprise when i listened to the cd. Currently, i have the other Ayu albums downloaded, but DO plan to buy them towards the end of the year if i can get the money together, and pay off my mom first hehe.

aaaaanywho, i live on mp3's downloads basically. If you can point me to shop that sells asian music cd's and dvd's (in my area), i would be more than happy to pay the prices, as going on Yesasia, prices there are excellent, about the same that i would expect to pay for something in the shops here (even if they ARE the overseas versions, but ah well)

i can understand where people who don't have all the money in the world would like to get these things for cheaper. honestly, i myself don't own any of ayu's cds. the reason? it's free to download. i need to spend my money (of which i don't earn a lot at all) on college like books and whatnot. some of us can't even save for ayu cds b/c we need that money for much more important things. i would love nothing more than to buy all of ayu's cds cause they're just so wonderful and let's face it, cds u buy are a much better quality. but from a money standpoint, i can understand....even saving can be difficult for some of us when the money needs to be used for something more important. :yfrown

also, ebay is a great way to get stuff for cheap! altho there can be bootlegs there as well, u can find some good quality stuff for a few bucks! :yes

just my two cents ^__^

also, i think its great that there can be debate here with minimal flaming/bashing. ayu fans seem hardcore but civil :yes

My brain is getting overheated from the reading....... So I will summarize: I think it is eventually at your discretion to buy bootleg or not...... no one can intimidate you to do otherwise!

If you're only gonna use the mp3 for evaluation purposes, you don't need to have a 192k one, a 64-96k MP3, or even wma, should be sufficient.

Update:

I got my Complete Clip Box today... you wouldn't even know its bootleg... it comes with the same box as the Overseas Ver., same booklet with the lyrics... The quality is fine... I'm glad I bought it... No regrets... :P

did the box bring a grenade launcher as an extra?

:roflmao :laugh

Unfortunately not... but I plan to order one from there... :yes

What about your soul? Did they send that too?

I was wondering why those cd's where cheap....

=\ so you know, most of the stuff off ebay is bootleg too, so that cheaper clip box you think is real, is probably fake just like the other one on that site.

Whats up with all the people getting morals all the suddenly?

Ah, bootlegs..
 

Aren't you forgetting, Phantoma, that AnimeToxic has bootlegs? *coughs and throws her cd at you* :grumpy Why should their DVDs be different? I'm not even looking, as I'm almost 100% sure they're bootlegs.

Secondly, there are ways to get posts other than making a bunch of dumb topics. :yes

I don't trust ebay for buying CD even do most auction mentioned that it's straight from Avex Trax or whatever they say is real. What caught my eye was that the Location where the seller live is either Singapore or China. So I already knew it's bootlegs. They just trying to get you to buy it. Like, "yulen" said, people need to spend money on more priority important things for your life and I don't get much money in my hands too. I wouldn't waste so much on Ayu CD's and other stuff because it just result in me getting all satisfied and I wanted more so if I don't have money, I'm going to suffer that I wanted to buy things which I don't have any more money. People need to spend money wisely. I don't really suffer but you get the point. Don't go around and be spending and consider your options.

PS: YesAsia overseas versions are bootlegs even though I never bought from yesasia. It's obvious to me that "overseas versions" are bootlegs from other places for yesasia to get away with. C'mon, they have two versions, Japan and overseas and you know you want the Japan version. Don't get overseas just because it's cheaper. And Yesasia cost for jpop cd's are slightly more than CDJapan site, so I don't understand why many people buy cd's from yesasia from the facts I just mentioned. Nothing offensive, just saying what I have to say. ^_^

If you're buying from eBay and the seller posts some images, check to see how Ayu's name is written:

浜崎あゆみ <-- Japanese
濱崎步 <-- Chinese

While this isn't some definitive way to see if you're buying a bootleg or not (since authentic OS items usually are in Chinese), at least it'll tell you which CDs are Japanese or Chinese.

Still, I still won't give my chances to buy from eBay, probably will be the last to buy from for JPop CD's. People will do anything to get away with and then after you get you cd, it's bootlegged. It's really sad expecially for the people who don't know much about bootlegs and newbies making bids for the crappy version of it. Later when them people realized they will say, "Damn, I can't believed I wasted my money on a fake item." Nothing beats the original.

I thought I might let you know this but the overseas versions of Ayumi's CDs on YesAsia are not bootlegs.YesAsia does not sell bootlegs.Not everyone wants the Japanese version for the simple fact that they may not have the money to shell out for the Japanese so they get the overseas version.The overseas version are released by Avex Taiwan or the other Avex braches that are not based in Japan.I do not mean to sound rude but I thought you should know.

OMG...you should know better. If it's Avex Taiwan or other branches those are consider bootlegs. Those are not part of the Avex Japan and just made up names like that to trick people to selling them. You should know that only Taiwan and China are the only place that people can make bootlegs and it's legal. You probably can't tell the quality difference but you're not getting "everything". Like I said, nothing beats the original.

I'm sorry but I don't know where you got your information but you are still wrong.There is even an Avex USA but they have only released two records.I own two copies of every CD I own one Japanese Version and one Overseas Version.So you need to check your information before you start accusing the overseas version of being bootlegs.

ShAdOw X, if you don't believe it PM me for avex hong kong office's number.
Also Yesasia got their stock direct from avex asia (hong kong) so they are not dumb into selling bootleg/pirated items to shoot themselves in their legs

Hm...most likely I'm really wrong but something that is being made from Hong Kong or Taiwan always seem bootlegs to me (most items are) that is not the original label. But JPop CD's you could be right for it that it's official. It just seem stranged that they are making them officially. They actually do make bootlegs of things like Game OST. So that's why whenever I see an item that is made from Hong Kong or Taiwan that it's not the original company, I won't buy it. It just too obvious though. Since I bought many bootlegs before and I learned my mistakes. Oh well...@_@

I'm sorry if it seemed like we were attacking you.I just thought you shoukd know that the overseas branches of Avex are real and not fake.I think IMO that the reason that they have the overseas version is for the overseas fans to purchase but I personially want both versions because if I'm not mistaken the obi cards are different.

True, but I only buy from sellers with 100% ratings, that have cd/OBI/insert/booklet scans and compare them to the scans and such from Divine Ayu. Added to that, I also use Nick's guide for avoiding illegal items/bootlegs. I've seen so many bootlegs that sometimes I always make sure I'm paying for the real deal. That AnimeToxic is where I bought A Ballads, I am... and Rainbow from. They looked real to me until I checked and saw no Avex label anywhere. I had to throw them out and buy copies from YesAsia, which wasn't cheap at all. Talk about heavy baby-sitting money. It's pretty much Phantoma's fault for getting me to buy bootlegs (Alion.. AKA, Taiwan bootleg company), as he referred me to the site when I was a brand-new Ayu fan. :rolleyes I didn't know anything about bootlegs or such at the time, I just thought, "WOW, $7 is cheap!" :rolleyes That was the first and last time I made a mistake like that.. now I always double-check if I'm not sure, and most of the time I only buy from YesAsia, because it's safer that way. :yes I've only bought j-pop cds from eBay on maybe two occasions, and only with users with good reputations and after checking and double checking that I wasn't getting bootlegs. (I didn't.)

I wouldn't trust AnimeToxic for CDs -or- DVDs. I know some people don't care if they purchase bootlegs, but I always like supporting the artist and not some cheap-ass scumbags making bootlegs in Taiwan. :gnash

I don't buy bootlegs because I only buy from Yesasia and I always get the Overseas versions but I know they aren't bootlegs. I never buy anything from e-bay because half of it's bootlegs. This really won't help the artists and getting the official item is much better...