I heard that Ayu has never lip synch, is that true?
 

I came across a jpop forum and one poster mentioned that Ayu was the only artist who she has never seen lip synching. Is that true? Come to think of it, i've never seen Ayu lip synching from watching her countdown lives etc. I have a few of her live DVD concerts and i watched a few earlier and i couldn't find a song where she lip synch. So, i'm guessing this is a good fact to point out to other fans to make Ayu feel superior? So what do you think? Do you think she had lip synched?

Most Japanese artists don't lip-synch, she's not the only one.

I don't think she lip synchs at all. And if she does, she's got me fooled.

yeah i dun think she lip synch.. doesnt seem like it at all..

I don't think the Japanese public like seeing artists lip-synch that much... It seems like whenever BoA is in Korea she lip-synchs, but she does less in Japan...

I don't think any artist should lip-synch, I really don't care how tiring their stage routine is...

I pretty sure Ayu doesn't lip synch.

I agree. If they do... to me it seems as if they're really not entertainers whatsoever. That is their job- to sing- so they've better earn their money instead of just playing us all like monkeys.


So Ayu- another reason to love you more.

I think lip-sync is too dull and dumb for an artist, what's the point getting on stage and not singing with your own voice, that's what people wanna hear, or else you don't even need to bother going up the stage at the first place.

Yup. I agree with all of you.
No matter HOW tiring the routine is.. dude, people pay their hard earned money to see their favorite artist perform and they expect the singer to SING.. not lip synch.. it's sad how American singers do it =__= Japanese singers work themselves harder than American artists do actually...
Yes, and another reason to LOVE Ayu :yes :yes :yes

I agree with everyone aswell...

Yeah, Ayu has never been afraid to let the original track play on some parts (performance of AUDIENCE, and the rap in Fly high sometimes).

In concert now, they even have a mixing station to have the same sound effects (too late, flower garden @ STADIUM TOUR 2002). You can hear the difference between the live version remixed and the studio track.

And of course, there are some pretty bad performances of Ayu spread throughout her time (but she has gotten a lot better now!)

I heard BoA lip synchs in almost 90% of her Korea Performances, which i thought it's very unpro.

And yeah, i think this is something to be proud of being an Ayu fan.

PROUD TO BE AN AYU FAN!! :D:D:D

I think BoA is lazy to sing.. or is it just the dancing that kills her? :confused I saw one of her concert vids on International Channel once and.. yeah, she was lip syncing o_O;; Maybe she forgot Korean?! :laugh

I don't think that's fair to say, especially since most Japanese singers never have to leave Japan. Whereas American singers are almost always known worldwide, and the big ones have to promote in A LOT of countries with a lot more hectic schedule.

And I think Ayu has lipsinked before. I mean, I know she's done the Fly High, intro to Evolution, etc. But I think Arena Tour 2003-2004 was at least partially done with lipsink. Her voice sounded WAY too good in songs like Teddy Bear and Memorial Address...a LOT better than other lives from those songs and others. Her voice is even pretty hoarse on the new album and that's studio edited...I just don't think she can sing like that anymore.

At producing albums.. Japanese are faster and put more time into it, I feel. To be honest with you, I barley even listen to American music, just whenever I'm in the car, so that's probably why I feel more proud with Japanese singers than with American singers. I have more respect toward Japanese music :yese

yep i agree with you, i respect japanese singers more than amreican singers too~

i agree with most of u. no matter how tiring or whatever the artist are, they should not lip sych. i don't think Ayu lip sychs too.. and it seems that americans singers lip sych. great examples are lindsay lohan and ashlee simpson.. Does britney lip synchs? i think she does right?

Britney definitely lip-synchs... :yes

The only Asian artists I have seen lip-synch is BoA and Namie... I was surprised Namie did, I saw this old performance of 'Chase The Chance' and you could so tell she was lip-synching...

i remember seeing her lip sync 1 time, on a performance of Because of You on Mtv japan. It was the last line, where she hold out the note, and for the beginning of it "kimi ja nakya dame de" she lip synchs, then for the first half of the hold out note, then she stops in the middle and lets the vocal track keep going.

other than that she doesnt, i dont think.

momusu/h!p lipsynchs sometimes, for their TV preformances. if the voices sound TOO good (as in, they sound too much like the original audio version), then they are probably lip synching. i haven't ever noticed ayu lip synching, but i don't think she does in arena 03~04. Those vocals weren't like the originals, so unless she re-recorded them for the arena tour to lip synch, which is highly unlikely in my opinion, she wasn't lip synching.

And another thing, if you're gonna lip-synch, at least do it correctly... Even that's too much to ask for some artists... x_x

I think she lip synched LITTLE BITSY parts of her songs. For example, her Because of You performances at the "kimi ja na kya dame de~~~" and the I am.. performance of the beginning and end.

but otherwise. :D Never!

lol i was reading down the page and everyone was agreeing with each other and i was like... wait a minute... then voltron's message and i was like, i knew ahs members cant have an agreeable conversation!

Well...i think in evolution@Nissan's Yahoo's special concert she does lipsynch[but most of the first performances were TL...anywayit's not ture that japanese singers get "much" into it since anyone, ANYONE can be and release a cd...so yeah, beeing a jpop fan doesnt has to blind you there are not to many j "artist like ayumi that takes their time to do their job, instead they just put the plyback pretend to sing, look cute and such on...hamasaki ayumi, namie & utada are the "only" that actually do tehir job seriously without pretending to be artists when they CANT sing...

So yeah it's not like jpop artist really spend more time working themselves harder than American...it just depends in the person, the artist, performer, or however u want to call em' :x

Indeed. When you not only hear recycled music... but really nasty lyrics like repeating verses of "lean back"... it sorta just irritates me. At least rappers don't usually lip sync. But the lyrics don't really make up for that -_-.;;;

I'm not sure that Ayu lip-synchs so much as she uses backtracking to overpower her voice (blending). I can't remember where I saw it but there was one instance where she did 2 or 3 very bad lives and then she came out for UNITE! (the white and black cowboy outfit one if I remember correctly) and it was flawless. Now unless Ayu has some special gummy bear juice (which I think she needs to share if she has it!) there is no way she could give two weak vocal performances with hoarseness and all.. and then come out perfect. But regardless of that I still love Ayu. /shrug

i am pretty sure that ayu does not lip synch! yea!

i think :
- on mtv japan she did that because the last tone when it said "kimi ja nakya dame de" the 'de' in the original version is remixed... maybe she did that to make the performance as much similar as the original version...
- in fly high or other performance.. i think she did it sometimes to prevent missnote.. i think :think
-otherwise... she never does lip sync :) she sings with her own voice ^^

i think she lip synchs when she sing the fast songs, such as because of you

i think there's a law in japan that prevents artistes from lip-synching...it's like, no matter how bad it is, the artiste has to sing..so Ayumi doesn't lip synch i guess..

What's the point in a forum if everyone just nods and agrees with everything? I was just saying I don't think Japanese singers work harder and that Ayu has lipsinked. Sharing opinions is what forums are for, not like anyone was starting a flame war. :thud

is there really such a law? cool....

most of the time she doesn't...but there has to be times when she does esp with the beginning of Too Late.

I've noticed on the Fly High performances she lip synchs during the fast parts, but then again there are counter examples of this such as her A MUSEUM fly high performance.

For the most part, you can tell she doesn't: Her voice lags sometimes, sometimes she misses the notes, and sometimes she just sounds different than the studio verson.

*shrugs... people has great eyesight or are playing the recording in slow motion with super zoom-in or on super monitors.

For one thing, Ayu's reputation is not *preceived* to be tag with being someone who would lip-sync.

Not only AYU but also most of J-Pop artist don't using lip-synch in all! And that's the biggest + of this. I think real artist never will be using lip-synch. So... why the most of american, european and even K-Pop stars do that? I think the reson is that this "artist" are in most only "stars". They were created to earning money not for singing but popularity. They have many problems with singing live - I remember I saw once concert of Avril Lavigne: OMG~ she couldn't sung her "I'm With You" but she's not expect - many artist can't sing own songs so that's the way of using lip-synch. It's not a big problem to record an album - anyone can do that, but being an artist it's not only to release album and promoting of them (photos, interviews etc). It's something more... many more. I think only not commercial (created on STARS) good singers - song-writers should be named "ARTISTS". AYU surely is an ARTIST - she prove us she's one of very special singers from the begin of her career...

Is there really? I somehow doubt it, as there are still Japanese artists that lip synch at times...many boybands, mostly Johnny's Ent. ones, are known to lip synch at times... ._.

Hmm, seeing that Morning Musume obviously lip-synch's some of their lives, I don't think there's a law in Japan against synching.

I think Ayumi has lip-synched before, although the incidents are few and far between. There was one performance of SEASONS that I'm almost positive was synched, but it wasn't in front of an audience and there was no band either. Also, there was one mini-concert where the vocal quality sounded different for the 2nd half of her set so I think maybe there was a background track ready in case she started losing her voice. In any case, lip synching doesn't bother me too much as long as it's entertaining. Plus, when there are high energy dance routines, it's easy to get winded.

I can almost gaurantee Ayu lipsynched at the beginning of I am..(the vocal only part) on Arena tour 2002 :\ When she sings..her mouth does not match the sound...I've watched it many times....well I'm not 100% sure....and all of the sudden her vocal sounds so different right after the beginning of I am...

I can almost gaurantee Ayu lipsynched at the beginning of I am..(the vocal only part) on Arena tour 2002 :\ When she sings..her mouth does not match the sound...I've watched it many times....well I'm not 100% sure....and all of the sudden her vocal sounds so different right after the beginning of I am...

I think she must have lipsing at least once. Example, when she had a cold or something like that. But yeah, Ayu mostly never lipsings at all. In concerts, sometimes, she stops singing a start dancing (Trauma) and she communicates a lot with her fans and often scream all kinds of stuff to the audience.

I doubt she's the only one not lipsinging though.

Most Chinese artists lipsing though. Especially Jolin.

Well, you can't really say that's lipsinging because, first of all, you can't even see the real Ayu. You see her in the big screen. And obviously, they shoot this part like a video and you lipsing in a video. They only played the video and after that, Ayu appeared and sang for real.

Although, 'Greatful Days' in A MUSEUM anybody? That sounded like lipsinging.

More people being bias again. She lip synched on Angel's Song in whatever concert I watched it on...

How do I know? Take anyone who has the common sense of knowing how one's breath rate interacts with singing. She bounces around, spins, and dances all over the place while still singing at a completely normal pace with no breaths that you can hear. For those who are DDR players and like to sing a long, do WakaLaka on heavy mode and sing the entire song without messing up your vocals once. "but I'm not a professional singer and she is". Doesn't matter. Professional or not you can't manage a steady breath rate without being ultra althetic and even then it's difficult to manage.

So push you "i luv yuo ayu KEKEKEKEKE ^_____________^ shes too perfect!! KAWAII!" aside and open your eyes. Lot's of singers lip sync whether you believe it or not.

She doesn't lip sync her entire concert of course not, but songs that require way too much movement, i.e; Angel's Song, she does.

Granted she can somewhat run across the stage singing Evolution's chorus, she still fuzzes out a few times when doing that and then somehow can sing just perfectly on que with Angel's Song? k...

Just because an artist lip sync's doesn't mean they sync'd it to the album version of the song. Do a pre-recording at rehearsal of the artist just standing and singing so when it records, it records the actual live version and then is played back when him/her performs so it still maintains its 'live' sound just that it isn't live.

This is almost as pointless as saying her tears are real all the time during her concerts. Memorial Address is a perfect example of that. Fake tears? Of course. Tear glands tell all 90% of the time, her glands weren't swollen then when the music picks up she's suddenly super happy again?

The DVDs and VCDs UNDERGO EDITING. Why don't anybody realise this simple fact? A lot of people complain that Ayu can't sing really good live. So Avex has to edit the DVD to make them sound good. I myself wouldn't want to pay 40 bucks for a DVD to hear Ayu going off tune.

Then don't pay and download.

Have you been to one of her concerts? "no" okay then don't say anything until you're there.

LX_Ayu, you're taking all this way to seriously. You don't have to be mean. There will always be "bias" fans, but you can't do anything about it. I believe she always lipsings once in a concert. Like your example, ANGEL'S SONG and also Greatful Days too. There's pratically nothing wrong with that when you're in movement. But Ayu rarely lipsings. Especially in Encores. So we don't need to complain. I don't think Ayu has a bad voice at all.

And about fake tears? I seriously doubt it is fake tears. How the hell can you sing a song and cry if the song doesn't mean a thing to you? All Ayu song were written by Ayu herself. That's why it's emotional for her. Isn't Memorial Address a song for her dad? And A Song Is Born a song about what happen on the Sept. 11? There's always a reason. I doubt she'll cry for nothing. Try faking crying on a song. I doubt you can't.

I have. Osaka Feb 2004. Arena Tour 2003-2004. :rolleyes What's your problem anyway, this is just a discussion. Don't need to get so worked up.

You can kind of tell she doesn't normally, simply because she goes off-key.

You wanna know why artists lip-synch? Because some snot-nosed little brats always whine when the performance is sub-par. So, to stop the complaining, they mime so it sounds the same as the album version, or a pre-recorded version for a live. But then once they do that, the whining comes back because they didn't sing live. Well make up your minds! Stop being so paradoxial. It's getting on my nerves. :irked

No, I'm not meaning just users here, I mean everyone. Yes, I'm stereotyping everyone just as you guys stereotyped American artists. "Blah, blah, blah American artists aren't as good as Japanese artists." Well way to not be so biased. Jeez. NOT EVERY AMERICAN ARTIST IS THE SAME, SO STOP STEREOTYPING THEM AS SUCH. I highly doubt that you all have more respect for every Japanese artist than you do for every American artist. I know you didn't say EVERY, but you said "Japanese artists." So I interpreted it as thus.

asongforXX, just because an artist is screaming during the performance, doesn't mean that they're not lip-synching. Their microphone can still be on for them to yell and scream and whatnot while the track is still running in the background.
opaltanyacho, there is no law in Japan not allowing lip-synching. I don't even know where you heard that kind of crap. Or why you even believed it.

And no, I'm not being mean. So don't give me that. It's unoriginal and don't you think, by now, that if I really cared, I would've taken it into consideration when I post?

Remember, just because she goes off-key doesn't mean it wasn't a poorly pre-recorded version of the song. I'm sure there are many things that none of you, nor myself, know about when it comes to lip-synching. So don't you all go around acting like you know the facts about when someone is and when someone isn't when it's not always that blantantly obvious.

I'm not worked up, I'm just know what makes you mad because your arguements and counter arguments are still full blown bias and retarded and the added fact that not everyone on this forum can say how perfect she is or how great she is. She's still one of my favorite artists but that doesn't mean I have to be like "OMG@$?#@$?! AYU!!! SO KAWAII!!!!!@!@!"

Am i complaining that she lip syncs? No. First people slander other artists for lip syncing and then suddenly when it comes to Hamasaki it's okay? That isn't a bit skeptical?

I don't think she has a bad voice either, if she did, I wouldn't listen to her music.

asongforXX, why are you saying "lip singing"? Is there some other sort of singing? Hand singing? Foot singing? Elbow singing?

You seriously doubt she fakes tears? Then show me some real swelled tear glands when she sings Memorial Address, and do explain how she just suddenly turns happy. Just like when she sings Who... Also take in note how many times she practices those songs and rehearsal to get it all perfect. Think she cries every time she sings them during rehearsal? Just suddenly has a nervous breakdown and starts pouring tears then it vanishes and "oh I'm happy again"

Back on topic about lip syncing, she's probably lip sync'd more than what people figure and just does a good job at it. And if she doesn't then more power to her, but she doesn't really do any consistant tours. Like how NIN would go aroun the US performing in different cities/states. When she has a concert she has 1 or 2 a year and only in 1 location. Or does she take Arena Tour to Japan, China, and other cities/countries/providences? If and that's a big IF she doesn't lip sync at all then there's a good reason why she doesn't need to. Because she doesn't do as many live tours as other artists.

Last and not least, about not changing bias people, of course I can't change them but I can uproot them thru posts like this and when commenting on an opinion of a song, I can use their bias ways for my advantage

Very well said. I totally agree with you. Especially with the first part.

You gotta admit the Memorial Address Perf. at Arena Tour was extremely exaggerated... I think its a plus when artists cry at their concerts, but 75% of the time I think Ayu is faking it. She should really try to be more natural with her performances... If the song doesn't choke you up as it should, then you should focus on singing the song, and not shedding tears.

my guess is she has lip synched before. and picklecookies needs a life outside of the internet.

Life? Huh? That word is not part of my vocabulary.

I'm sure Ayu has lipsynched before. Though I think that on one of the countdowns, even though she had a terrible racking cold, she still went on with the concert and that's why her vocals were terrible--which just goes to show that even if Ayu is in the worst condition, she still doens't disappoint her fans and sings anyways, up until the minute she loses her voice.

So rest assured, Ayu won't lipsynch unless she really, really needed to.

[QUOTE=LX Ayu]Like how NIN would go aroun the US performing in different cities/states. When she has a concert she has 1 or 2 a year and only in 1 location. Or does she take Arena Tour to Japan, China, and other cities/countries/providences? If and that's a big IF she doesn't lip sync at all then there's a good reason why she doesn't need to. Because she doesn't do as many live tours as other artists./QUOTE]

DOME TOUR 2001 was over 4 places (Fukuoka, Nagoya, Osaka, Tokyo)
Countdown Live 2001-2002 (2 concerts)
ARENA TOUR - 21 location according to yesasia
STADIUM TOUR 2002 -12 concerts , 7 locations (Hamasaki Republic)
CDL 02-03 - 2 concerts
Teamayu - 16 concerts, 5 locations
Lawson Tickets
A Museum - 5 concerts, 1 location Divine Ayu
ARENA TOUR 2003-2004 - 31 concerts, 12 locations URL=http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/pid-1003800902/code-w/section-karaoke/version-all/did-169]Yesasia[/URL]

WTF are you talking about?

Gee, i think it's obvious. When you do a concert for your fans, yes, when you sing a song that means much to you, you can cry. But do you think that she'll keep on crying on the whole show? Even while singing Trauma? Moodswitch on songs. She won't cry on a happy song.

You can think it's fake. I don't.

^I don't either. Sometimes, when I sing Ayu's songs and know what they mean, I can start to cry. But then after I'm done, I just won't feel so sad anymore. *shrug*

I don't think Ayu has NEVER EVER lip synched. She lip synched at least once, but compared to other artists i have seen live, she does less. The reason is because most of the time when i watch her live, her voice sounds tired and stuff, making the vocals offkey, that's why many BoA fans, etc will bash her about her live performances, but at least she PERFORMS LIVE and didn't resort to lip synch. She respects her fans, and her songs, she is professional. Am i being bias? Yes i am. Everytime i watch her live, her performance isn't perfect, but at least she tries! Unlike other singers, who lip synchs in almost all their performances.

He's basically asking why you're calling it "lip singing" when it's "lip synching." Then the rest is a mockery of you calling it that. Because saying "lip singing" is dumb, because is there another type of singing? Like foot singing? Or elbow singing?
Get it now?

Even so, when she's supposed to be singing and she screams instead, you can tell it's not lipsinging. Lipsinging on the actual song is easy. But when it comes to re-recorded song. I really doubt.

I'm simply stating my opinions.

:laugh

Oh, get it. Didn't have to say it that way. I'm not from America. I'm from Quebec and we talk French there. :o

As opposed to stating someone else's opinions, based on the fact that you said it?

Americans aren't the only English speakers. Hell, even if you don't know the word, it's in the topic title and I'm sure multiple times in the topic if you had had the audacity to read through the topic.

I'm stating my opinions on another person's opinions. Not saying they are wrong.

By the way, i didn't even said it to you. I was talking to LX Ayu.

Ok, to get more off topic, when I was in Europe, the people I talked to used the word playback and not lip synching.

I know that you were stating your opinion. I was just mocking you for telling me that, when obviously it is your opinion since YOU SAID IT.

If you didn't say it to me, why did you quote me?

Well, it's not my fault i don't know every word. You don't have to be so harsh about it.

I used the word "mimed" with friends on IRC.

I'm not saying you don't have to know the word. But it was IN THE TOPIC! All you had to do was read. It's not that hard to do.

I never quoted you before you said something about what i wrote.

But I didn't mean you when I said don't call me "mean." I was referring to everyone, since people tend to say I'm mean. I was planning ahead.

Okay, well. Sorry for not using the right word.

I wanna get this over with. I'm tired having problem on this forum. It's not the first time and it pisses me off.

I'm sorry you don't agree with what i say and same for LX_Ayu. And sorry i don't think the same way you do.. After all, it IS a forum.

Okay, i thought you were saying it directly to me.

Thanks for that. I had been thinking it was a fork...

This argument is so interesting to watch. Picklecookies, must say you have the sharpest best comebacks I have ever seen. Where did you learn it?

Doesn't he? I'm no match for arguments. :eyebrow

shut the hell up and get back on topic. who the hell cares how people are saying ,"lip synch." we are all bright enough to understand them, or to make some guess on what they're talking about.

anyways, I don't think Ayu needs a reason to lip synch. A lot of her performances sound different even if it's the same song over and over.

i dont think he learned being honest from anywhere. :shrug

we're born with it. :rolleyes

^lol if that aint the truth

I dont really watch ayu's performances that much... but from the ones i have watched, there was only that 1 Because of You performance that she lip synched on. Other than that i haven't.. anyways i dont watch her performances since they dont really appeal to me at all. :laugh at least she doesnt do like ashlee simpson.

anyways....

if ayu doesnt lip synch, then kudos to her.

well Because of You- she's dancing around and stuff and then down on the floor.. O_o I say it'd be pretty hard not to lip synch then.

It would have sucked if Ayu was lip-synching the 'Voyage' performance where she forgot the words... That would have been an Ashlee Simpson... :laugh

Do you mean nice? I'm plenty honest. I get in trouble for being "too hoenst."

:laugh

that would have been classic. seriously XD

Well, the one i saw i'm pretty sure she didnt lip synch through the entire thing... but at the last part where she holds the note she did.

Yeah, i know you're plenty honest. Thats a good quality actually ^^; a lot of times i think ppl tell you you're too mean because of the fact you're brutally honest. I never had a problem with you because a majority of the times i actually AGREE with what you say.

I can't read.

^ o_O; *is confused now*

..does Kristen also agree that he can't read?

Maybe. But Yvette does.

of course.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

^^; i dont know what to agree with much less think. I'm not gonna comment *hides*

Yes! Couldn't say it better!

Can we get on topic now please?

Yes back on topic.

I think that some of you are being way too brutal on Ayu. She's up there dancing and giving it her best, how could she NOT lip synch once and awhile? If you take the time to compare it to the CD track then you will see that she rarely lip synchs. Unless you mean to tell me that she records the track before hand and lip synchs to that? I don't see why she would do that, it seems a lot of work. And for her crying, it sounds like she is and I think that from her lyrics changing so often that she has the right to cry and then be happy. If you're going to sing a sad song, then you can cry. But I don't understand why she cries to Who... all the time, because she sings it at almost EVERY concert.

And yes a lot of American artists DO lip synch but not all of them.

^brutal? What do you mean by that? @@;

bashing I guess o_o

I don't mind is artists lip synch once in a while, if they're jumping up and down and whatever, but what is just.. :shakehead .. is that there are others who just stand there, they don't even have to move around, and they lip synch.

I'm not gonna hate on Ayu, but I don't really think she has the voice of an "angel." A lot of people don't even think she sounds so great even on her CDs. So I wouldn't really see the need for her to lip synch? Unless she's movign around, well yeah. But a lot of her performances are just her standing, waving her arms. o_o