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everlastingRAINBOW 6th July 2005 11:36 PM

Because of You PV...
 
Is it just me or is this video about hookers? lol, dance hall hostestes? :P

nmskalmn 6th July 2005 11:59 PM

The PV is about women's feelings.

spyro 7th July 2005 12:03 AM

the pv has prostitutes and with many symbolisms is about their life and feelings
symbolisms like the breaking of neon cross, the white liquid, the two tvs, the black and white anime, the toys in a showcase, the flowers..and a couple more

everlastingRAINBOW 7th July 2005 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by spyro
the pv has prostitutes and with many symbolisms is about their life and feelings
symbolisms like the breaking of neon cross, the white liquid, the two tvs, the black and white anime, the toys in a showcase, the flowers..and a couple more

Thank you, that's what i thought!

Syphex 7th July 2005 01:33 AM

The PV uses prostitutes (Who misuse sex as a one night stand) But these women have feelings for the men that they spent time with. Symbolism is huge here; although I wish they made the symbolism a little more subtle--I felt like the symbolism was just thrown in my face. Which it's not really supposed to do (Just make a soft implication of something else) An example is of the anime of the girl who is heartbroken that the guy leaves her but they get together in the end. Too predictable..heh.

I didn't get what the two tv's meant, though. What did it mean?

..and is that white liquid what I think it is? :innocent

y2687 7th July 2005 01:42 AM

..well it's of a different consistency :D

everlastingRAINBOW 7th July 2005 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Syphex
The PV uses prostitutes (Who misuse sex as a one night stand) But these women have feelings for the men that they spent time with. Symbolism is huge here; although I wish they made the symbolism a little more subtle--I felt like the symbolism was just thrown in my face. Which it's not really supposed to do (Just make a soft implication of something else) An example is of the anime of the girl who is heartbroken that the guy leaves her but they get together in the end. Too predictable..heh.

I didn't get what the two tv's meant, though. What did it mean?

..and is that white liquid what I think it is? :innocent

They really liked to stand in the way of the waterfall of 'white water'.... :innocent

AyuGAME 7th July 2005 03:04 AM

yeah ayu PV has many simbolisym
i think because of you is more understanding that her about you pv
until know i can't get it what it means..
about you pv is really confusing
by the way
because of you is about women feeling that being thrown away like a hostess by the man...sometimes their feeling happy, sad, but woman is really strong..
i think that way...
but surely BoY pv is really GREAT!!!

Qt Mashi 7th July 2005 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Syphex
..and is that white liquid what I think it is? :innocent

i tihnk the white liquid symbolises pure, and innocence, that's what Ayu beleieved i think

[taskin.ayu] 7th July 2005 02:30 PM

The "Because of You" PV is one of my favourites because of all the symbolism in it, even though Ayumi doesn't look too pretty in it. XD

What I think it means is the guy playing Ayu's boyfriend was just using her for sex and forgot the true woman he fell in love with. In the PV, Ayumi is constantly replaced by her other dancers representing how the guy playing Ayumi's boyfriend lost sight of his true love in the blindness of his lust. Only when he saw Ayumi on the TV, he finally realised what he had done, and tried to fix it with flowers. BUT IT WAS TOOO LATEE. O:

Well that's what I think anyway. :P

ohsixthirty 7th July 2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by [taskin.ayu]
Well that's what I think anyway. :P

I never looked at it quite the way you did, but you might have a good point there. I never considered that the man was really Ayumi's boyfriend and he was going out on here with the other girls, I always viewed it more like Ayumi was just watching over them in sadness and then in the end the man realizes that he was wrong when he starts to develop feelings for one of the girls.

[taskin.ayu] 7th July 2005 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar
I never looked at it quite the way you did, but you might have a good point there. I never considered that the man was really Ayumi's boyfriend and he was going out on here with the other girls, I always viewed it more like Ayumi was just watching over them in sadness and then in the end the man realizes that he was wrong when he starts to develop feelings for one of the girls.

Hmm you have a good interpretation of it too. =p It would make more sense that he wasn't her boyfriend since he was throwing money at them and such. But the anime cut scenes make it look like Ayumi loved him at one point.

ohsixthirty 7th July 2005 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by [taskin.ayu]
Hmm you have a good interpretation of it too. =p It would make more sense that he wasn't her boyfriend since he was throwing money at them and such. But the anime cut scenes make it look like Ayumi loved him at one point.

Well, I think the beauty of PV's like this one is that you can interpret it in so many different ways.

But you know, if he was her boyfriend, he could still be seeing prostitutes. I think either way of looking at it makes sense.

spyro 7th July 2005 08:42 PM

let's see
there arent many prostitutes in in..the character in only one..the average prostitute..the guys is just the pimp
the cross in pink and neon light symbolises somewhat like a modern religion..the streets with the prostitutes and the scums..generally the over-night life..one of them breaks it saying she wants to get away from that situation..at the pv the prostitute hates herself..feels ashamed actually..the two tvs is like she is divided: the head (mind) and the body (the "object" of the everyday job)..the guy didnt know that but he seems shocked when he saw that - realising that the girl isnt just the sexy appearance but has mind, feelings as well..so he buys her flowers..but she is ashamed of herself she thinks she doesnt deserve a nice life - love - cause of all her sins and dirtyness..so he shovels him out of the door..in the end though ayu picks one flower up - still there is a hope for them to be released and pure again..the white liquid meaning the purity "washes" them at some point
also the anime represents her childish dreams..she for sure didnt imagine her future as a hooker - more like a pure love of the anime..being black and white stresses that means the past..the toys in the glass show case mean that their childhood innocence is now spoiled and imprisoned..just a memory

well thats my interpretion and i think its not inaccurate..thanks if u read it lol :P

elepop 8th July 2005 12:03 AM

Thanks for explaining the PV. :yes

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Originally Posted by AyuGAME
about you pv is really confusing

I don't think the PV for "About you" had a point.

Qt Mashi 8th July 2005 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by [taskin.ayu]
The "Because of You" PV is one of my favourites because of all the symbolism in it, even though Ayumi doesn't look too pretty in it. XD

what!? i think Ayu looks relli pretty and kool in the PV!~
Because of You is also one of my fav PV's, it's so different :D

Syphex 8th July 2005 01:24 AM

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the white liquid meaning the purity "washes" them at some point
The white stuff was quite sticky, so I thought it was to represent semen (A reference to sex) But it could go either way.

everlastingRAINBOW 8th July 2005 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by spyro
let's see
there arent many prostitutes in in..the character in only one..the average prostitute..the guys is just the pimp
the cross in pink and neon light symbolises somewhat like a modern religion..the streets with the prostitutes and the scums..generally the over-night life..one of them breaks it saying she wants to get away from that situation..at the pv the prostitute hates herself..feels ashamed actually..the two tvs is like she is divided: the head (mind) and the body (the "object" of the everyday job)..the guy didnt know that but he seems shocked when he saw that - realising that the girl isnt just the sexy appearance but has mind, feelings as well..so he buys her flowers..but she is ashamed of herself she thinks she doesnt deserve a nice life - love - cause of all her sins and dirtyness..so he shovels him out of the door..in the end though ayu picks one flower up - still there is a hope for them to be released and pure again..the white liquid meaning the purity "washes" them at some point
also the anime represents her childish dreams..she for sure didnt imagine her future as a hooker - more like a pure love of the anime..being black and white stresses that means the past..the toys in the glass show case mean that their childhood innocence is now spoiled and imprisoned..just a memory

well thats my interpretion and i think its not inaccurate..thanks if u read it lol :P

awesome :yes !

Delirium-Zer0 8th July 2005 02:00 AM

i think that white stuff's interpretation as either whitewash or semen is deliberate. There's debate over which it is, but i think it's both.

AyuGAME 8th July 2005 02:51 AM

wow spyro you has a nice interpretation
i think you get the point there...
asongforxx i think every PV has a meaning behind it (except the dancing pv ones), surely about you has a meaning. All of ayu PV has a meaning, even real me the dancing one. It still has a meaning. But ABOUT YOU is really confusing eh?! there is a lot of symbolsym!! EVERYWHERE

elepop 8th July 2005 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AyuGAME
But ABOUT YOU is really confusing eh?! there is a lot of symbolsym!! EVERYWHERE

I can't find any symbolism for "About you".... :no I don't think there's actually something in common between the PV and the lyrics.

Have you found any?

Chibi_Venus 8th July 2005 05:56 AM

I've never seen the full PV of Because of You or About You. Only clips of them.

Because of You- I did wonder what the white liquid was. After hearing everyone's different views on the PV, it seems that it could mean different things.

About You- I thought it had some symoblism in it, but I couldn't tell. So I can't say that I saw any. I'd have to see the whole thing and maybe take a look at her lyrics again (possibly, sometimes that helps).

Echiko 8th July 2005 07:45 AM

Someone else has explained the PV to me (>_< forgive me. I forgot who.) and I thought the way they explained it sounded the most reasonable. It's like Ayu is the storyteller. The story is about 6 girls. Obviously in the beginning the girl is a prostitute. But I'm sure that part is beyond the point and not meant to be analyzed anymore than that. So later the guy sees ayu through the TV. He runs to meet her because she LOOKS (through a TV, all you see is the look) pretty. So he give the girl at the door flowers. But the scene keeps changing to a different girl each time, meaning he's playing all of them and being fickle. So the girls push him out and cries because they're not truely loved. The cartoon storyline contradicts to what happened in the reality. The girl and guy broke up and got together. But in reality, that doesn't always happen. So the cartoon is truely the fairytale. Ehh. I think the white stuff is purity. x] Not sure on that.

Ehh Yah. xD

Qt Mashi 8th July 2005 03:08 PM

^ that sounds pretty good Echiko!

spyro 8th July 2005 03:24 PM

thanks u guys about my interpretion at the previous page ^_^

@echiko: i dont think there are 6 girls..its one, changing for scenery variety purposes..also when he gives the flower he has a sincere face..i dont think he cheats at her - at all of them..anyhoo

now as for the white liquid..its in a way senem - since if we would see it at an other pv of hers then it wouldnt make sense..it fits being that thing..but at the same time its not..appart from being total trash for ayus tastes it symbolises something else like the purity..i think she did that on purpose..everybody would think its senem but its not..just teasing the shallow morons whod say its just senem :]

everlastingRAINBOW 8th July 2005 10:31 PM

Yea, it's purity, in a semen like way...

Chibi_Venus 9th July 2005 12:14 AM

I agree with you spyro: It does seem that it IS purirty, not semen. Your explaination made sense.

spyro 9th July 2005 12:17 AM

glad u liked it ^_^

everlastingRAINBOW 9th July 2005 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi_Venus
I agree with you spyro: It does seem that it IS purirty, not semen. Your explaination made sense.

Me Too! ^.~

Syphex 9th July 2005 08:17 PM

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now as for the white liquid..its in a way senem - since if we would see it at an other pv of hers then it wouldnt make sense..it fits being that thing..but at the same time its not..appart from being total trash for ayus tastes it symbolises something else like the purity..i think she did that on purpose..everybody would think its senem but its not..
If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

Now, I am one of the last people to take things at face value; because I like to analyze. But in some of her PV's, some things are just what they seem to be. I'm not discarding anyone's purity theory, as it's plausible, but...the white stuff is:

-liquid
-sticky
-white

If it was to represent ONLY purity, and not semen at all, then it would not have been all three of those things. Why bother making it sticky?....

and to top it all off, the PV IS about sex. Now, there are a couple of instances where we do see the white liquid: various shots where ayu is playing with it in her hands, and in the room where it "washes" them all. In the room one, it doesn't make sense for the "purity" liquid to be washing them, cleansing them. The prostitutes did not leave thier professions at the end; and it's safe to assume they would continue being prostitutes which is seen as sinful. Their intentions might be pure, but thier deeds are not.

The point of the room scene with the white liquid going all over them is to state that sex still rules thier lives, not that they are somehow "pure." Because there is nothing to suggest that they are "pure" at the end. I can't really touch on why Ayumi would be playing with it in her hands, maybe it's the same reason--she's ruled by it. Sex is a part of her life; and she simply does not treat sex with an utmost respect--she plays with it. It has no meaning to her, the prostitute, other then to give pleasure to random guys.

Bottom Line.

It's semen, guys.

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just teasing the shallow morons whod say its just senem
How is this shallow? I came up with a couple of paragraphs why I think it was semen, and my reasons for it. The semen itself has a meaning. Ayu likes to play with us, and sometimes it's best to take things at face value instead of thinking it may be something else when it could just be what it appears to be (But somehow symbolizing an act or deed)

Delirium-Zer0 9th July 2005 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Syphex
In the room one, it doesn't make sense for the "purity" liquid to be washing them, cleansing them. The prostitutes did not leave thier professions at the end; and it's safe to assume they would continue being prostitutes which is seen as sinful. Their intentions might be pure, but thier deeds are not.

Which is one of the reasons i think it's both whitewash AND semen. the double entendre is relevant because of both their pure deeds and sinful end. The point of the video seems to be that sinful creatures have feelings, but they're still sinful. (Either that or they may be sinful, but they still have feelings.) Either way, like the song, there's regret felt, but no will power to actually change things.

spyro 10th July 2005 01:06 AM

meh i dont know how to explain this..but i lost the because of you pv ;__;
anyhoo i think that the ending scene is the anime were the couple huggles so pure loves wins - so maybe at the end they didnt remain prostitutes
also i dont say its not senem..how cant be after all? its white-liquid-white as you said - even though its not the same white (im not gonna go in details about the white differences lol, just in the pv is more solid-color-white)..but i dont think its only senem..cmon, not even koda would put senem at her pvs lol..the pv has some symbolisms too and i cant believe that ayu would say "cmon guys bring me the sperm-like thing to play with my hands 1 2 3 action"
at first the white leaks,maybe she starts feeling pure love...then the dancer get cleansed

~ also by saying morons i didnt particurarly mean u..i was more thinking of those tabloid journalists and negative media

Nikki 14th July 2005 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
Which is one of the reasons i think it's both whitewash AND semen. the double entendre is relevant because of both their pure deeds and sinful end. The point of the video seems to be that sinful creatures have feelings, but they're still sinful. (Either that or they may be sinful, but they still have feelings.) Either way, like the song, there's regret felt, but no will power to actually change things.

I'm with you on this. :yes
I love this PV and it's fun to read the different interpretations of it. :)

Chandrachan 18th July 2005 11:48 PM

I really love the song and the pv did kinda shock me alittle but I really like spyro's version of the pv on the last page.

If you listen to the lyrics at the end ayu sings "kimi janakya dame de" which I think is "I can't live without you" and they show the anime clip with the couples kissing.
So they get back together and Ayu is cleaned with that white liquid meaning a happy ending. - or so I think...

Love Appears 21st July 2005 08:49 PM

Wait, the prostitute girl .. isn't played by Ayu, is she? I thought they were different people.

lolo66 23rd July 2005 03:26 AM

the prositutes are there mainly as symbols

The theme here is that it was better before when we didn't know each other that much, like prositutes and their clients.


then again, prositutes deserves loves too y'all know


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