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LacusClyne 12th October 2005 06:42 AM

S.H.E fans views on copying ayu songs
 
i know we are not to bash others artists. but this is something i can't stand and i think all ayu fans have a right to know.

this are the views of S.H.E fans of S.H.E songs copying ayu. well, i think most of them are being unreasonable. it's from S.H.E record company forum, in chinese.

http://www.him.com.tw/play/display.a...Page=6&Sig=she

for those who can't read chinese, i got a summary. most of the fans think it's no big deal in copying a song, as long as S.H.E sings it well. some even had the nerve to say that ayu must thank S.H.E for copying her songs. since people would get curious and pay attention to ayu's song!!! what a bunch of nonsense.

if you are a S.H.E fan, i'm sorry about this but i don't mean you. i just don't understand why there are some fans who don't know the meaning of neatual.

ruixiong89 12th October 2005 07:35 AM

Haha, I find their comments hilarious and whiny! Just to quote some:

"Some songs are hard on the ears, but as soon as SHE sings it, it's a huge hit!
Some artistes are not famous, but as soon as SHE sings their song, they're famous too!"

Not to mention the poems that praise SHE (eeky!)

Haha, I'm not trying to bash SHE fans, I think they're a cool band! But the fans are just hilarious with their comments. And haha, there's like no logic to their argument and moreover, it sounds very much like self assurance, like "No no, SHE is good, SHE is good, even if they copy, they're good!" (or you could say trying to justify to themselves why SHE is good)

So yup, here's my two cents worth! It's quite worth the read I have to say, I was laughing when I read the comments.

Ayumi no Yume 12th October 2005 08:04 AM

Haha. It kinda seems like, if you like SHE, you like whatever band or singer (artist) made up the idea xD
So like, if you hate some artist's song (or artist) and SHE sings it, and you like it, you just like....wtf am i talking about. Anyway thanks for the link. I can try to translate it (with help from the internet) if anyone needs it.

Apprentice 12th October 2005 08:24 AM

:laugh haha from your descriptions it sounds funny..

My friend who LOVES Ayu and SHE said that SHE's new song "星光 (xing guang)" doesn't even mean the same thing as "About You". It's about "friendship". The lyrics aren't the same, so, all the similarities are just a bit of the tune, I reckon. When you think about it, there's a lot of tune/music copying in the industry.

Fans will be fans~

starr5245 12th October 2005 01:00 PM

o.O hahahhahaaa, so many people agree that SHE is being wonderful. Oh, whatever. No comments.

elepop 12th October 2005 11:37 PM

I don't think S.H.E. copied Ayu. The beat just sounds a little bit the same. As for the clip, maybe it's just coincidense. Although they do sound quite alike (end of chorus). But I think it's really immature of those fans to say such things because clearly, Ayu is more popular than those 3 girls combine. I think that S.H.E. isn't that bad at all. I guess some of their fans are... immature. Everything they sing is a hit? Sure, whatever. I don't even get how they even got the nerves to say that Ayu should thanks them...

Really immature of those people, but hey. Some Ayu fans from this forum acted like that to.

LacusClyne 13th October 2005 02:27 AM

i was thinking maybe that was called blinded by love? the taiwan newspaper'ping guo ri bao' interviewed S.H.E, but the girls actually say the 2 songs sounds NOTHING alike!!!

well, i don't hate S.H.E, but i think it's their record company that made them say so...they can't have their artist admitting to the songs sounding alike, but that was a stupid thing to do, there will be ayu fans around who never thought that it might be the company's fault, they would simply scold S.H.E for saying that...

take a look at this taiwan avex forum and you would understand.

http://www.avex.com.tw/2004/forum/fo...=3&msg_id=3039

nmskalmn 13th October 2005 02:41 AM

If avex cared they would take legal action. If avex doesn't care why should I? :shrug

Haven't heard the song myself so I can't judge how similar it is.

hopeorpain 13th October 2005 04:31 AM

One thing I think is that the covered versions are no good. That's all

ayuzilla 13th October 2005 07:09 AM

o no not this **** again...this has pretty much already been posted...she biting off of Ayu blah blah blah. Both artists are produced by Avex ppl. yeesh get ur facts straight. so sick of hearing this whiny nonsense.

ruixiong89 13th October 2005 07:34 AM

Wow, I read the forum at Avex Taiwan ... geez! TONS OF FLAMING! Haha, well, the way they talk about it is rather similar to how the Taiwan Government is (Okie okie, no offence meant but I think it's really similar to how they pass sarcastic remarks!)

To sum up some of the arguments by the fans who posted at the forums:

"You don't even understand Ayu at all, who are you to say that Ayu sucks?"

"Ayu is a foreign artiste, why should you support her? SHE is the pride of Taiwan!"

"No matter what you say, the number of SHE fans will ALWAYS outnumber the number of Ayu fans" (OVERGENERALISATION)

"Avex Taiwan helped you all get to know Ayu!"

"SHE has heard Ayumi's About you and all of them exclaimed "It's not similar at all!" "

(I think it's very much a false statement. Seriously ... anyone in the right frame of mind and with any degree of musical talent CAN detect similarities! If SHE can't even do that, I doubt they can be singers. [I'm not saying that SHE sucks or anything, I'm just saying that the credibility of the statement that was published (which is supposedly by SHE) is very doubtful and I don't think it's valid so you shouldn't trust it])

"Thanks to SHE, Ayu is even more well known now!"

"It's quite common for Taiwanese artistes to cover songs of other artistes"

And more sensible arguments:

"People should stop saying who's copying who. Afterall, even if there's someone you want to blame, it's the composer. People seem to have forgotten that it's the COMPOSER that determines how the song sounds like, NOT the artiste. So people should stop slamming each other, Ayu and SHE!"

Have fun reading the "arguments"! I don't think we should dwell too much on this though ... haha, if not it'll be like the "Anti-Jolin" rage again! (Oh yar, just for information, the key reason as to why Jolin is so alike Ayu in her styles is fundamentally because the designer that "redesigned" Jolin's image [Before that, Jolin even spotted a slight moustache!] happens to be one of the key designers for people such as Ayu as well. Moreover, Japan fashion influences are very predominant in Taiwan and people snap up Japanese magazines on fashion. There is also quite a substantial Japan-following in Taiwan so don't be too surprised next time if something similar pops up again!)

Aya Ariki 13th October 2005 10:10 AM

Speaking the truth, there isn't a law saying that we can't support artist from other countries and we can only support artist that we understand what they are talking about...

I don't believe that they ONLy watch show in chinese...I know that a lot of Taiwanese watch Japan Drama and Anime.

tinyppl 13th October 2005 12:19 PM

That sort of ayu-bashing is just as expected. Most fans are out to be protective of their fave idols. But the SHE is more popular than Ayu thing is so wrong, just look at the cd sales.

Oh god although I am a chinese, I find it really tedious reading so many chinese characters at one time. Gives me a headache.

Mad_Cactuar 13th October 2005 12:40 PM

why doesnt SHE fans want to admit that SHE copied Ayu? Havent they heard both songs? At least admit that Ayu inspired SHE if they dont think it was copying.. I hate their ABout You, sounds dreadfully lethargic..

TNeilson 13th October 2005 04:43 PM

ahh, no matter what they did, i still hate SHE.

LacusClyne 14th October 2005 02:59 AM

but honestly speaking, i had to pity with S.H.E....they DID NOT write the song, they DID NOT shot the concept of the pv, but there will be people all over the world blaming them for it.

it's like being a scrapegoat...everyone don't like to be blame for something they didn't do, this applies to S.H.E too. why can't people spare a thought for them and try to think odjective?

devilayu 14th October 2005 07:14 AM

Well, whatever the case, please try not to bring another forum's drama here. It'll only exacerbate the situation and bring unnecessary grief to Ayumi fans AND S.H.E. fans.

Aya Ariki 14th October 2005 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by devilayu
Well, whatever the case, please try not to bring another forum's drama here. It'll only exacerbate the situation and bring unnecessary grief to Ayumi fans AND S.H.E. fans.

Yeah, that's true...

Ayu fans and S.H.E Fans seems to be fighting over this topic

benslave4u 14th October 2005 08:15 AM

ha ha ha ha this is too funny!! I actually don't mind them singing ayu's song however, I think it's wrong for them to say that the song is origonal and was written by this chinese lady.

Aya Ariki 14th October 2005 08:54 AM

And what's more, they said that it doesn't sound alike at all...

ohsixthirty 14th October 2005 07:21 PM

another thread on this?

wow...just wow.

seems that we've moved from hating jolin to hating s.h.e. around here. haha. :rolleyes

LacusClyne 15th October 2005 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by devilayu
Well, whatever the case, please try not to bring another forum's drama here. It'll only exacerbate the situation and bring unnecessary grief to Ayumi fans AND S.H.E. fans.

sorry about that, i just thought we should have a right to know what the fans of S.H.E are thinking. i hated to jump to conclusions, i'm the type who would listen to both sides of the story. but their fans answers are too unacceptable, but thankfuly, there are still some reasonable S.H.E fans...

elepop 15th October 2005 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar
another thread on this?

wow...just wow.

seems that we've moved from hating jolin to hating s.h.e. around here. haha. :rolleyes

Well, you know the "Ayu-fans". Always searching for more trouble. Haha.

Qt Mashi 15th October 2005 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ayuzilla
o no not this **** again...this has pretty much already been posted...she biting off of Ayu blah blah blah. Both artists are produced by Avex ppl. yeesh get ur facts straight. so sick of hearing this whiny nonsense.

omg..if some people wanna discuss the SHE and Ayu issues they have the right to, but dont just come here and give rude comments without any arguable points, lacking originality :rolleyes

for those people who are just going to post here saying "not this again" or "get over it, this is old" save your time and just ignore this topic please~~

Qt Mashi 15th October 2005 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by miyuchan
for those who can't read chinese, i got a summary. most of the fans think it's no big deal in copying a song, as long as S.H.E sings it well. some even had the nerve to say that ayu must thank S.H.E for copying her songs. since people would get curious and pay attention to ayu's song!!! what a bunch of nonsense.

well i dont relli blame SHE fans for thinking that way, they're trying to protect their idol and most of them are probably young anyways

but for SHE saying that their song is nothing similar to Ayu's 'about you' is a big booboo they just lost my respect, i thought they would atleast give Ayu some credit for the song but instead they claim its original, that also makes their fans hating on Ayu for no reason

Mad_Cactuar 15th October 2005 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX
Well, you know the "Ayu-fans". Always searching for more trouble. Haha.

You know, I think thats true! We fans are a little hard-headed and aggressive sometimes! :D

momobean 15th October 2005 02:00 PM

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but for SHE saying that their song is nothing similar to Ayu's 'about you' is a big booboo they just lost my respect, i thought they would atleast give Ayu some credit for the song but instead they claim its original, that also makes their fans hating on Ayu for no reason
...I totally agree on this point. I wouldn't even have minded if they said it was only a coincidence, after all there are so many repeated tunes around the world.

Pfft. Tone deaf or what? Sorry I don't know how to mince my words.

firefox 15th October 2005 02:20 PM

i heard the song and it doesnt sound alike at all and i never listen to SHE only d/led it this time to see how similar it really is....and my verdict: The pv is but the song isnt similar

:innocent give it a rest :innocent

Mad_Cactuar 15th October 2005 02:26 PM

I think SHE is getting more publicity with the help of Ayufans.. Noticed that we, who have NEVER EVER heard of their songs are suddenly downloading it and listening? Wont that make it possible for SHE to gain new fans..?

LacusClyne 16th October 2005 02:32 AM

err??? you live in malaysia where S.H.E are so popular and you NEVER heard of them??? :thud oh my god!!! their songs are quite nice! i like 'Superstar', 'nian ren wei man', 're dai yu ling'...you NEVER heard that before???:thud

momobean 16th October 2005 04:47 AM

Superstar is a cover song. I like Hou Niao and Dou Niu Shi Zhi Ge from their Encore album but I hate their singing in general. Not that they're below average or anything, but they always try to sound sweet and angelic. Probably a marketing gimmick by their company or whatever but it annoys me.

//hikari 16th October 2005 05:03 AM

I love their song 'wo ai ni' ... the video is very beautiful.

The short film that was on the dvd version of that album was sad but kinda made me mad lol old woman left her family!

Qt Mashi 16th October 2005 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by firefox
i heard the song and it doesnt sound alike at all and i never listen to SHE only d/led it this time to see how similar it really is....and my verdict: The pv is but the song isnt similar

:innocent give it a rest :innocent

well i have an 8 year old niece she's an S.H.E fan and a bit of Ayu fan, she relli liked the song "About you" and a few days later when i put on the S.H.E song my niece says "hey! isnt that About You?" and then she asked me "did they copy Ayu?" so im like "yes..."

i relli do think it sounds familiar i have also given that song to many friends and asked them wat they thought of it and they said "this song sounds like About You?"

Qt Mashi 16th October 2005 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Cactuar
I think SHE is getting more publicity with the help of Ayufans.. Noticed that we, who have NEVER EVER heard of their songs are suddenly downloading it and listening? Wont that make it possible for SHE to gain new fans..?

it's probably the same for Ayu, some ppl who hasnt heard 'about you' probably d/led it to compare it with S.H.E's song so Ayu is probably gaining more new fans and hate fans :P

//hikari 16th October 2005 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Qt Mashi
well i have an 8 year old niece she's an S.H.E fan and a bit of Ayu fan, she relli liked the song "About you" and a few days later when i put on the S.H.E song my niece says "hey! isnt that About You?" and then she asked me "did they copy Ayu?" so im like "yes..."

i relli do think it sounds familiar i have also given that song to many friends and asked them wat they thought of it and they said "this song sounds like About You?"

Maybe you shouldn't feed that when something is 'similar' it equals 'copying'?

I'm more the sure S.H.E doesn't care about any of this. They sing the songs that they're given. Logic and rational thinking don't come to this forum often I guess.

Qt Mashi 16th October 2005 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by //hikari
I'm more the sure S.H.E doesn't care about any of this. They sing the songs that they're given. Logic and rational thinking don't come to this forum often I guess.

well fine, SHE's composer copied then, is that better? since they don't compose their own songs....

sorry if you took it the wrong way, but i'm not tryinig to bash on S.H.E. i'm just makinig a point that the song has a similariity to "about you" that many ppl find obvious

Aya Ariki 16th October 2005 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Qt Mashi
well fine, SHE's composer copied then, is that better? since they don't compose their own songs....

sorry if you took it the wrong way, but i'm not tryinig to bash on S.H.E. i'm just makinig a point that the song has a similariity to "about you" that many ppl find obvious


Totally argee...The problem is with the composer, not with S.H.E... Blame that Composer if you guys want to blame someone...:lech

Darkevil 16th October 2005 07:15 PM

No point arguing on these small issue. Find it rather childish, don't listen to the song if you don't like it.

Btw, S.H.E doesn't compose their own song, it's not their fault! So what for blaming them? Instead, the one who's on fault are the FANS.

elepop 16th October 2005 07:24 PM

This whole copied thing is giving me an headache...

Anyway, I like "Superstar"! Never thought it was a cover! LOL.

Aya Ariki 17th October 2005 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkevil
No point arguing on these small issue. Find it rather childish, don't listen to the song if you don't like it.

Btw, S.H.E doesn't compose their own song, it's not their fault! So what for blaming them? Instead, the one who's on fault are the FANS.

Agree too...

There's really no point having this going on and on.

If you really don't like that artist, just don't listen to their song, why bother bad mouthing them while you know that it would hate the feelings of their fans???

ruixiong89 18th October 2005 06:07 AM

I think if people want to fault SHE on the PV for it's similarity with GAME, I think I can accept that. Song-wise, yup, again, I think you'll have to like blame the composer more than SHE. SHE just sings whatever they're given!

For the PV, I'm not really sure whether the artistes have a say in it but again, I guess those people in the production team didn't do their research and homework before planning. That's all I have to say!

SHE's a good female band, they do have quite a lot of nice pop songs especially SUPERSTAR (though apparently, it's a cover song?) so I think it's ok to just appreciate what they've been doing. It's quite apparent they don't try to wholesale copy and assimilate everything Ayu's been doing (unlike others *ahem*) haha, yup, so I think it's fair enough if we give them a break.

Again, I don't think we should bother much about those unreasonable fans ... they're entitled to their own opinion. But if they badmouth, I'm quite ok with attacking them back ... hehe, okie okie, no flaming and no wars!

gakkun 22nd October 2005 07:02 AM

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S.H.E's most popular song is perhaps "Superstar", which is often mistakenly thought to have been originally titled, "Chyna Girl" and sung by Sweetbox. In actuality, the song was produced for S.H.E by Geo, who then ported the tune back to his home country of Germany for his band, Sweetbox.
from Wikipedia

though they have covered Destiny's Child, Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys(eh?).

hopeorpain 22nd October 2005 07:17 AM

Chinese/Taiwanese fans tend to get very stubborn and protective over their "idols"...it's actually quite funny to read their music forums

Mad_Cactuar 22nd October 2005 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by miyuchan
err??? you live in malaysia where S.H.E are so popular and you NEVER heard of them??? :thud oh my god!!! their songs are quite nice! i like 'Superstar', 'nian ren wei man', 're dai yu ling'...you NEVER heard that before???:thud

nope, I NEVER EVER listen to chinese music, dont understand Chinese even though I'm half-chinese..:cry S.H.E. isnt that popular here, only Chinese fans love them, particularly Selina or someone like that.

hopeorpain 22nd October 2005 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Cactuar
nope, I NEVER EVER listen to chinese music, dont understand Chinese even though I'm half-chinese..:cry S.H.E. isnt that popular here, only Chinese fans love them, particularly Selina or someone like that.

Whoa! haha, anyway Selina (if you've seen them) is the one with puffy cheeks, and really high voice

Aya Ariki 23rd October 2005 09:20 AM

I hate selina...

She only knows how to act cute.

I prefer Ella, the one that looks like boy.

ayuzilla 23rd October 2005 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Qt Mashi
omg..if some people wanna discuss the SHE and Ayu issues they have the right to, but dont just come here and give rude comments without any arguable points, lacking originality :rolleyes

for those people who are just going to post here saying "not this again" or "get over it, this is old" save your time and just ignore this topic please~~

I typed paragraphs on the issue before and I'm too lazy to do it again. Just proves that stupidity continues on despite one's best efforts to educate the other. They are both produced by the same parent company Avex and its subdivisions respectively. SHE is not "copying" Ayu. Merely the stuff they produce is recycled. Thats the way both the music industry, fashion and even movie industry work. How many remakes of classic movies have you seen? or perhaps you might realize that last seasons trend in fashion might have been popular 20 something odd years ago? Get a grip on reality people. Neither SHE or Ayu have really anything to do in this. They just happen to be the two artists groups chosen to sing similar songs. Now all you people quit ***** and shut the **** up. :yes

emaNresU 23rd October 2005 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX
I don't think S.H.E. copied Ayu. The beat just sounds a little bit the same. As for the clip, maybe it's just coincidense. Although they do sound quite alike (end of chorus). But I think it's really immature of those fans to say such things because clearly, Ayu is more popular than those 3 girls combine. I think that S.H.E. isn't that bad at all. I guess some of their fans are... immature. Everything they sing is a hit? Sure, whatever. I don't even get how they even got the nerves to say that Ayu should thanks them...

Really immature of those people, but hey. Some Ayu fans from this forum acted like that to.

Yea... its okay if they fall head over heels for S.H.E., but comments without actual backing realli turns people off! Moreover, i dun think its the Singers that we'd most pissed with, but comments by some immature one-sided fans...


Actually, if u realli listen closely to the song, the tune is almost identical... try singing About You the same time as the song by S.H.E. is played... i was able to do that and blend in with the music of the song, so they should be the same...

Not that i'm against S.H.E or anything, i actually like some of their songs... its those comments that actually pisses me off... Also, why don't they credit the original when doing covers? it'd be so unfair to the composer...


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