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Harsh...
Teresa Nieman of Stylus Magazine recently reviewed Koda Kumi's BEST ~second session~, and she gave it a C+. Man, this woman is harsh. I think the compilation deserves at least a B+. Refer to this review to see what I'm talking about:
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articl.../koda-kumi.htm I dunno. It is her opinion, after all. I just thought she was WAY too hard on Koda; she called her "oversexed." What do you guys think of this? |
Well, I do think she was harsh on Koda, but I did agree that some of the songs just weren't that good, but I think it should've got at least a B. But most people call Koda oversexed, but they usually ignore the fact that Koda has a cute and sweet side, too.
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It was harsh to say that she's oversexed.
But I have to agree that the first 3 singles were great and that the rest was mediocre (expect "WIND" for me, and maybe "Someday"). |
Honestly, people can say what they want to say.
People hate Ayu before even listen to her music.. :/ Harsh really doesn't even begin to describe the things that people say about Ayu. [People even say she's the Satanic demonlord of today...and alien.. etc..] |
Not too harsh actually.
I agree completely that the first three singles were the best, and everyone's interested was peaked by the huge variations in music those three showed. I also agree that Love Goes Like... and Imasugu Hoshii are great. Actually....I thought everything that this person says when I sat down with my copy of BEST~second session jeeze.....it's almost like I wrote this myself...o_O |
oversex.....
but i had to agrre that why was a Whole New World up there? kinda weird and unsuitable that is kinda harsh....guess maybe that's why kuu's not happy with this image nowadays... |
haha, the last comments were funny.
I agree with what she wrote mostly, and I don't think she was too harsh. Remember the poll we had here? Most people diden't really think her music had improved. IMO most of the tracks on second session was quite dull, like most of her material is to me. I don't remember in which page ayumi's MY STORY fot a B+, but if that album's a B+ Second session is no more than C+. |
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I always ignored this kind of comment Kuu is exist to give out her music to her fans & that is just her purpose as a celebrity & an idol. I don't give a damn about anything about her. I love her & her music, that is enough for me to be a supporters. & I don't need any kind of reporters to influence me any kind of bad things about my favorite girl. & I don't care about it. It's not her who enjoys the music, the visual of Kuu. It's me. & I decided to be a true-fan-who-likes-kuu-for-her-music-no-matter-what. |
You can't please everybody with music really. There are bound to be some who like her releases, and some who don't. I've said it before, but when it comes to music, it's hard to label a "good" or "bad" on a particular song, just because our tastes are so varied.
And about the "oversexed" claim, it does seem to be the way avex are promoting her right now, but yes she definitely still has a cute and sweeter side that's obvious during interviews and chat shows. It's a shame how avex handles Kuu really, but whatever brings in the dough...:shrug |
J-Pop Will Eat Itself is a great column that's always right on the spot, imo. Stylus is an excellent website; their writers all are well-informed, dedicated to music and know a lot about music in general. Henville's statements about Koda Kumi are, in the end, still just her personal views, but I don't think she's very far off. It's difficult not to see this woman as 'oversexed', as she constantly draws attention to her sexuality in (most notably) her videos. Note that this is not a bad thing per sé (I personally don't mind it at all; Koda Kumi's videos are a pleasure to watch at least), and that it's not particularly mentioned as a negative thing. It's just an observation. No need to get worked up about it.
As for Koda Kumi's music, I'm not a big fan myself and don't think her music is all that outstanding. She has some excellent songs, but a lot of the rest is simply filler material made to fill the albums that can then be promoted on Koda Kumi's sex appeal. A lot of people really dig her music, and I respect that completely - it's also a matter of taste, I certainly do realise that. However, the number of people that purely buy some of her albums because she is hot shouldn't be underestimated, especially when it's considered that Koda Kumi isn't exactly the highlight of the J-pop scene, music-wise. |
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ditto but IMO i must say that they can say whatever the hell they want... like ayu being a bad singer or some people call her the most fake woman in Jpop music.. so eh... its only important if YOU MAKE that kind of comments important to you... there. EDIT: the J-Pop Will Eat Itself articles are SOOOO bad and lame.... if i had a magazine with this article this will be the page i'll use to pick up my dogs crap, and just because you write an article does not make you the holder of the truth.. for me its crap |
I also Read that persons comments about Namie Amuro. And I will Honestly say that their an a - -
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Well, it's their opinion after all (agreeable one too) but Stylus has also reviewed Ayu's album and it is extremely hard to find an A+ anywhere. Even my favourite Jewel album received a C. >.> Oversexed isn't such a bad thing either. At least people eats it up and buys her CDs.
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The column is NOT, I repeat, NOT, written by the same person as the ones from before.. it changed from some Francis guy to the new reviewer.. =3
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^^ so..? both sucks
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Meh. Article is based on a westerners POV and probably for Western audiences. What matters is Japanese POV. However, I do agree the middle singles were kind of boring. The beginning and the end were good. I would've given the album a B.
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I think it was given a C+ largely due to the imbalance of 'iffy' and 'amazing'. There was probably too many iffy tracks for the reviewer.
As well as the fact that the Kodapopularity to them, might not last too long [like years..] |
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I didn't think it was harsh at all.
I thought it was stupid to call Kuu "oversexed" just because she dresses sexy sometimes. That was just dumb. :foff |
Oh, it's not just because of her dressing sexy...
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I don't know, oversexed isn't so bad. I don't like Koda but I don't see why her selling sex is so bad. Plus if her music was bad, it wouldn't sell. Sex can only sell to an extent. |
^^true though. If it were written by a japanese person...westerners would probably hardly glance at it, sadly enough.
i think the oversexed thing has something to do with her...ummm...pushing things up every chance she gets... this is my favorite passage: Still, BEST ~second session~ contains plenty of (aforementioned) treats that will no doubt be replayed in the bedrooms of schoolgirls for months to come. Miss Koda has secured her place amongst Ayumi Hamasaki and Utada Hikaru in merely twelve weeks—and that’s certainly something to respect. She may have done it with processed, public-pleasing songs and many-a-pair of hot pants… but hey, she did it. And for that, she will be loved. At least for another year or so. many a pair of hot pants...C+ for a best Album....not good. But you know, there are always more reviewers and critiques, their just educated opinions...haha but they are still opinions, no matter how much t hey try not to be biased, everyone is a little, and this is just this reviewers thoughts. Her review isn't that bad though. I like the other guys My Story review...i don't like ther first one about Ayu though |
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It seems like the person who wrote the articles isn't being completely one sided (they bright up a lot of good and bad points in artist). Her pointing out the flaws in Jpop is the same as everyone else who constantly complains about western audiences and how fake they are. Anyway, the article just made Koda fan out of me :] |
The guy who wrote one Ayu review was like.. high or something cause he's like badmouthing her.. and not...
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The MY STORY reviewer seemed to love the album.
It's by a different guy, Josh Love.. not the usual Jpop reviewer. Quote:
IMHO, he presents really valid statements and seems to have researched.. |
To once more emphasize how professional and well-researched these people are, check out the J-Pop Will Eat Itself column on Shiina Ringo. It's an excellent column, stating things exactly how they are. It almost presents her as some sort of musical genius - so to state that these people don't know anything about J-Pop and whatever isn't exactly true. They just have good taste and don't dig mediocre pop music that sells on image rather than music.
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I believe that the person that wrote this article was very accurate. I'm not going to comment on the oversexed comment, but I will say something about the whole, "She's managed to make it into the spotlight through a clever marketing campaign" thing. A lot of Jpop artists have more talent than her and have been working hard to get their name out but only get barely any CD sales because they don't have marketing campaigns- and it only takes Koda Kumi 3 months to get herself in the limelight.. That's kind of disappointing.
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I always find it baffling to see that completely amazing and accomplished artists get so much less attention than mediocre ones just because the latter have good marketing. Where's the mass audience that UA deserves? Why does Tujiko Noriko only get released on relatively small labels? And of course, this transcends the J-pop market and actually applies to every music market everywhere. Why is Britney Spears a big (commercial) success, and why isn't Joanna Newsom? Why do people fall en masse for Juanes but don't pay attention in the least to Devendra Banhart? Etcetera, etcetera. Music, it's a funny thing. |
I find it nice to really hear from someone who isn't a Koda fan. I personally think had the few songs in the middle didn't sound so rushed, it would have gotten a B. Still, it's nice to hear a review that isn't going "OMGTHIZALBUMROCKS!1111!".
Except for the oversex comment, I don't find this article harsh at all. I actually agree with a lot of what the person is saying. Throughout the twelve singles, "You" was a great song, Candy was nice...but after the later few was just mediocre. Wind and Someday was good, but that's about it. Also, this article is intended for westerners, and obviously is from a western POV. on a side note, I found it ironic that we (fans of asian music) are getting worked up over their criticism of westerners of Jpop music while we seem to be able to bash Western music senselessly. If you're going to criticize Western music, expect the the same happen to Asian music too. |
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And why compare Koda Kumi to artists like Angela Aki or Eri? They are totally different breeds of artists. Kumi is not out there to produce thought provoking material, she said that she wants to make songs that people will sing in karaoke bars and that will be liked by a lot of people. That does not make her worse than those artists. I bet you watch TV shows and read books that hold no thought provoking material, that you read for pleasure, and yet I don't see you complaining about why writers with "more talent" don't have their shows on TV or books on shelves . . . :rolleyes Let this be a lesson to the thread creator--at AHO, keep all Koda Kumi discussions in her thread, unless you want it to turn into a bash-fest. |
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But you're right when you compare ayumi to koda vs other artists. No artist "deserves" to be more popular or sell more than any other artist simply because of some quality. People listen to whatever they want for whatever reasons they want. This argument "this artist doesen't deserve" this or that leads to nowhere and is senseless, because there's no objective measurement on quality of a pop musician. In addition Koda, ayumi, angela aki, britney spears, are only responsible for a small part of what they do, they're surrounded by a lot of very talented people, photographers, musicians, other singers, designers.. In the end it's the sum of all that talent that makes up the entertainment object that is Ayumi hamasaki, koda kumi, angela aki and virtually all pop "musicians". Quote:
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I don't think the author was harsh at all. She was pretty on point with most of her comments IMO. She didn't say anything too offensive. I especially liked her comment about Ima Sugu Hoshii. XD
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its not a bad review
except for the the parts about being "oversexed" and "even Bryson sounds off-putting here." I think the article was pretty decent |
I think the reason why I thought this compilation deserved at least a B+ is because I'm fairly new to Koda's music. I didn't like "Real Emotion" and didn't really give Koda another chance until I heard "Birthday Eve." I was blown away by the song and started downloading the other 11 singles. I loved them all and didn't pay too much attention to her older stuff (which I now realize is better than her newer songs).
Now that I read your feedback, I realize that the article wasn't so harsh. I'm sorry for creating such a riot and "bash-fest," as tobygirl2020 calls it. Teresa Nieman is a much better columnist than that Francis dude, and I don't see her as so harsh anymore. |
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Ok so Kuu dresses sexy sometimes :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead Kuu makes some sexy videos where she does a little "dry humping" here and there :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead Kuu has some sexy dance moves in her concerts and live performances :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead They make it seem like Kumi is some nympho or something. She's not some random ho to be called "oversexed". That I have a problem with. I do all of those things when I'm at the club. Does that make me "oversexed"? No it doesn't. It’s called performing and having fun and being sexy. It doesn't mean that I'm doing everybody just because we're dancing provocatively. The same goes for Kumi. It's easy for them to pick on her sexy image. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, Kumi is tame compared to some of those random hos in the music business. |
....ew. O_O; XD
A little too much information, hm? And she's 'said' that she really doesn't like doing the sexy image LOL.. whether that's true.. /shrug Certainly though, if you ask a normal individual what this http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5025/kumi299mp.jpg and this http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2117/kumi317nj.jpg looked like to them.. I'm sure they'd be a bit.. '..O_O' XD Again, I know that she has her 'omg i'm so cute' side, but.. yeah at first glance she looks 'oversexed' O-o; |
well, in regards to the oversexed part, i'd have to agree with that because i watched some of her music vidoes and was like okay, so she uses provacative stuff in her vids, no big deal. HOWEVER, when i watched the ima suga hoshii vid and read the lyrics, it was then i started to dislike Kuu, i just couldn't believe she would sing trashy lyrics like that, even if she didn't produce the song nor wrote the lyrics.
and how people say "sex sells," i take that as a negative thing honestly. a singer shouln't have to resort to selling the look of their body to sell their music. She has a nice body and i believe its okay for her to show it off, but....sometimes she goes a little too far. ( Especially during her concerts where they suggest.........um.......suggestive things...)And by no means am i bashing her for being sexy, its just part of who she is, but when i watch some of her vids, its really hard not think this way, she just goes too far. But then again its selling because sex does indeed sell, but when an artist does that, my respect for them declines dramatically. (I've talked to some people who bought Kuu's CD JUST because she looked sexy, and when they listened to the CD, they thought the music was "okay.") Sex does sell.....unfortunately............... As for 12 singles in 12 weeks, the critic dude was right. some songs were really good yet some were just....... blah. But like he said "no one seemed to notice." LIke a lot of people said , you cant really compare her to Ayu, they are just so dynamic in their own way. But one thing i luv about Ayu is that, even though her voice isnt the "BEST", even though her dancing isn't the greatest, and her body isn't as "developed' as kumi's, she STILL is one of the most influential people in the world of music, and she did that through her music, (and also good promotion), which is what i think is true artist. :yes |
how old are you truehappiness? I see nothing wrong with those pics.
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Hm...I think they're a bit racy. Now nobody get their panties all in a bunch because I said that. I'm not calling Kuu the w h o r e of Japanese Music or anything, I just wish she would tone things down a bit and focus more on her music and less on being sexy. I would expect to see something like what was in those pictures done by artists here in the United States, and it came as a surprise coming from Kuu who used to be pretty "clean." I just find it a bit shocking and a bit too much.
But like I said, sex sells. XD |
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I said if you show them to like your mom or someone who isn't all 'omg wow i'm familiar with jpop'.. >> I really don't care about what she does LOL. Too used to seeing it everywhere. /gag IMHO, they're the most compromising things I've seen a Japanese singer do.. [unless you can think of one who is still around today who does have those sorts of moves and all that..] |
Western reviews from western people.
I bet she listens to country music or some crap. it's not just Koda kumi she's bashing, truehappiness, but every one of this persons' reviews about JPOP contains something negative. Just ignore this person, they obviously have something against asian music. Let them listen to their american crap. She's the one missing out. |
...you know, they aren't bashing music.. o-o;
You might be reading that really really negative guy's ones.. o-o Just read this Shiina Ringo review by the woman who reviewed Koda's ..CD.. Quote:
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The same woman's Namie article:
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By the way, how can I get to the index that has links to all articles in this series? It's probably something really simple, but I can't find my way there right now and I'd like to read the rest. |
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Harsh? Not really. Although some singles were good, the rest were simply hyped up. I skip most songs from her album because for me most are just mediocre fillers.
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I didn't nessesarily mean bash. I meant only she says something negative. It seemed like the only word to fit in my sentence, and it does pretty much mean the same thing.
And I might just be reading the really negative ones. This lady does say a few things that are nice, but there's a lot of negativeness mixed up in there. |
Well you have to view things from both sides if you're a good columnist.
It's not like they can just praise it.. ;p |
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It's funny how this writer and these articles are constantly regarded as rather narrow-minded (which they're not), while half the posts I read here are at least twice as narrow-minded, if not more so. Get out of your Asian admiration bubble. Note, I'm not pointing fingers, nor will I do so, and I'm not specifically saying this applies to the posts I quoted. |
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People should read this statement as posted above by the Teresa woman who reviewed Koda's..thing XD "Like my predecessor, I turned to the confectionary tunes of the East (not to mention their films), after growing bored with what most English-speaking musicians had to offer. As far as I can tell, I also more or less share Henville’s objective: shining a small spotlight onto the J-Pop scene, with hopes of acquainting the unacquainted. " Far from 'omg haters' in my book. |
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I've no idea Violet Sauce could have such meanings LOL now that explains the whispers in anotha recipe |
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Here's what I can see people saying as 'oversexiness' of the ~second session~ PVs: 'you' - none 'Candy' - yeah, it's sexy, there's sexiness in it, but it's not overdone, imo 'Ima Sugu Hoshii' - I would say this is an example of oversexed 'Birthday Eve' - none 'feel'- yes, there's a couple of scenes, but I'd say about half of it isn't really overdone 'DDD' - same as 'feel' 'KAMEN' - none that I remembered 'WIND' - none 'Lies' - same as 'Candy' 'No Regret' - not that I know off 'Shake It Up' - same as 'No Regret' 'Someday' - it had snips of 'feel' and 'Lies' (and also 'you'), but I would say no. I could understand people saying 'Ima Sugu Hoshii' being oversexed, and possibly maybe 'DDD' and 'feel'. 'Lies' and 'Candy' arn't overused, but there is the 'sex' theme in there. Overall, are the album's PVs oversexed? imo, No. Quote:
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^Yes, but not the full version. I won't comment on it until I see the entire PV. There is a theme of 'sexiness' in there, but I can't say if it's overdone or anything. For all we know it could be sorta like 'Candy'.
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I guess we all have our own thoughts on what "oversexed" means.
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...didn't 'you' have her and that guy in bed together? o_O;
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Tastefully, anyways. That PV was cute. And sven = win.
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Question about Koi no Tsubomi..what was the message exactly? XD The doll seemed to make them really.. weird XD |
Are you suggesting that every one of her PVs involves some kind of sexual content?
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