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qwerty 24th June 2006 03:46 AM

Harsh...
 
Teresa Nieman of Stylus Magazine recently reviewed Koda Kumi's BEST ~second session~, and she gave it a C+. Man, this woman is harsh. I think the compilation deserves at least a B+. Refer to this review to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articl.../koda-kumi.htm

I dunno. It is her opinion, after all. I just thought she was WAY too hard on Koda; she called her "oversexed." What do you guys think of this?

Glamorous_Sky 24th June 2006 04:06 AM

Well, I do think she was harsh on Koda, but I did agree that some of the songs just weren't that good, but I think it should've got at least a B. But most people call Koda oversexed, but they usually ignore the fact that Koda has a cute and sweet side, too.

elepop 24th June 2006 04:27 AM

It was harsh to say that she's oversexed.

But I have to agree that the first 3 singles were great and that the rest was mediocre (expect "WIND" for me, and maybe "Someday").

truehappiness 24th June 2006 05:40 AM

Honestly, people can say what they want to say.

People hate Ayu before even listen to her music.. :/ Harsh really doesn't even begin to describe the things that people say about Ayu.

[People even say she's the Satanic demonlord of today...and alien.. etc..]

sora-kara 24th June 2006 06:15 AM

Not too harsh actually.

I agree completely that the first three singles were the best, and everyone's interested was peaked by the huge variations in music those three showed.

I also agree that Love Goes Like... and Imasugu Hoshii are great.
Actually....I thought everything that this person says when I sat down with my copy of BEST~second session

jeeze.....it's almost like I wrote this myself...o_O

LacusClyne 24th June 2006 06:18 AM

oversex.....
but i had to agrre that why was a Whole New World up there? kinda weird and unsuitable

that is kinda harsh....guess maybe that's why kuu's not happy with this image nowadays...

*Petit* 24th June 2006 12:02 PM

haha, the last comments were funny.

I agree with what she wrote mostly, and I don't think she was too harsh. Remember the poll we had here? Most people diden't really think her music had improved. IMO most of the tracks on second session was quite dull, like most of her material is to me. I don't remember in which page ayumi's MY STORY fot a B+, but if that album's a B+ Second session is no more than C+.

Keishi 24th June 2006 12:27 PM

:sigh:
I always ignored this kind of comment
Kuu is exist to give out her music to her fans & that is just her purpose as a celebrity & an idol. I don't give a damn about anything about her. I love her & her music, that is enough for me to be a supporters.


& I don't need any kind of reporters to influence me any kind of bad things about my favorite girl. & I don't care about it. It's not her who enjoys the music, the visual of Kuu.
It's me. & I decided to be a true-fan-who-likes-kuu-for-her-music-no-matter-what.

hallelujah_united 24th June 2006 01:41 PM

You can't please everybody with music really. There are bound to be some who like her releases, and some who don't. I've said it before, but when it comes to music, it's hard to label a "good" or "bad" on a particular song, just because our tastes are so varied.

And about the "oversexed" claim, it does seem to be the way avex are promoting her right now, but yes she definitely still has a cute and sweeter side that's obvious during interviews and chat shows. It's a shame how avex handles Kuu really, but whatever brings in the dough...:shrug

sxesven 24th June 2006 09:23 PM

J-Pop Will Eat Itself is a great column that's always right on the spot, imo. Stylus is an excellent website; their writers all are well-informed, dedicated to music and know a lot about music in general. Henville's statements about Koda Kumi are, in the end, still just her personal views, but I don't think she's very far off. It's difficult not to see this woman as 'oversexed', as she constantly draws attention to her sexuality in (most notably) her videos. Note that this is not a bad thing per sé (I personally don't mind it at all; Koda Kumi's videos are a pleasure to watch at least), and that it's not particularly mentioned as a negative thing. It's just an observation. No need to get worked up about it.

As for Koda Kumi's music, I'm not a big fan myself and don't think her music is all that outstanding. She has some excellent songs, but a lot of the rest is simply filler material made to fill the albums that can then be promoted on Koda Kumi's sex appeal. A lot of people really dig her music, and I respect that completely - it's also a matter of taste, I certainly do realise that. However, the number of people that purely buy some of her albums because she is hot shouldn't be underestimated, especially when it's considered that Koda Kumi isn't exactly the highlight of the J-pop scene, music-wise.

mishidabo 25th June 2006 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisKay
:sigh:
I always ignored this kind of comment
Kuu is exist to give out her music to her fans & that is just her purpose as a celebrity & an idol. I don't give a damn about anything about her. I love her & her music, that is enough for me to be a supporters.


& I don't need any kind of reporters to influence me any kind of bad things about my favorite girl. & I don't care about it. It's not her who enjoys the music, the visual of Kuu.
It's me. & I decided to be a true-fan-who-likes-kuu-for-her-music-no-matter-what.


ditto

but IMO i must say that they can say whatever the hell they want...
like ayu being a bad singer or some people call her the most fake woman in Jpop music.. so eh... its only important if YOU MAKE that kind of comments important to you...

there.


EDIT: the J-Pop Will Eat Itself articles are SOOOO bad and lame.... if i had a magazine with this article this will be the page i'll use to pick up my dogs crap, and just because you write an article does not make you the holder of the truth.. for me its crap

MsMiyabi 25th June 2006 03:39 AM

I also Read that persons comments about Namie Amuro. And I will Honestly say that their an a - -

Mad_Cactuar 25th June 2006 03:44 AM

Well, it's their opinion after all (agreeable one too) but Stylus has also reviewed Ayu's album and it is extremely hard to find an A+ anywhere. Even my favourite Jewel album received a C. >.> Oversexed isn't such a bad thing either. At least people eats it up and buys her CDs.

truehappiness 25th June 2006 03:54 AM

The column is NOT, I repeat, NOT, written by the same person as the ones from before.. it changed from some Francis guy to the new reviewer.. =3

mishidabo 25th June 2006 04:12 AM

^^ so..? both sucks

ayu_fan929 25th June 2006 04:13 AM

Meh. Article is based on a westerners POV and probably for Western audiences. What matters is Japanese POV. However, I do agree the middle singles were kind of boring. The beginning and the end were good. I would've given the album a B.

truehappiness 25th June 2006 04:17 AM

I think it was given a C+ largely due to the imbalance of 'iffy' and 'amazing'. There was probably too many iffy tracks for the reviewer.

As well as the fact that the Kodapopularity to them, might not last too long [like years..]

hopeorpain 25th June 2006 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX
It was harsh to say that she's oversexed.

But I have to agree that the first 3 singles were great and that the rest was mediocre (expect "WIND" for me, and maybe "Someday").

I agree. Her image is up to her personality, but most of the songs were mediocre, to be placed in a "Best of" album.

cybermoomba 25th June 2006 06:37 AM

I didn't think it was harsh at all.

I thought it was stupid to call Kuu "oversexed" just because she dresses sexy sometimes.

That was just dumb. :foff

truehappiness 25th June 2006 08:30 AM

Oh, it's not just because of her dressing sexy...

JimmyKoria 25th June 2006 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fan929
Meh. Article is based on a westerners POV and probably for Western audiences. What matters is Japanese POV. However, I do agree the middle singles were kind of boring. The beginning and the end were good. I would've given the album a B.

The article is for westerners. If it was written from a Japanese point of view it would be utterly useless to a westerner because of tastes and lifestyle and whatever might influence your view on music in society.

I don't know, oversexed isn't so bad. I don't like Koda but I don't see why her selling sex is so bad. Plus if her music was bad, it wouldn't sell. Sex can only sell to an extent.

emi♡ 25th June 2006 08:56 AM

^^true though. If it were written by a japanese person...westerners would probably hardly glance at it, sadly enough.

i think the oversexed thing has something to do with her...ummm...pushing things up every chance she gets...

this is my favorite passage:
Still, BEST ~second session~ contains plenty of (aforementioned) treats that will no doubt be replayed in the bedrooms of schoolgirls for months to come. Miss Koda has secured her place amongst Ayumi Hamasaki and Utada Hikaru in merely twelve weeks—and that’s certainly something to respect. She may have done it with processed, public-pleasing songs and many-a-pair of hot pants… but hey, she did it. And for that, she will be loved. At least for another year or so.

many a pair of hot pants...C+ for a best Album....not good. But you know, there are always more reviewers and critiques, their just educated opinions...haha

but they are still opinions, no matter how much t hey try not to be biased, everyone is a little, and this is just this reviewers thoughts. Her review isn't that bad though.

I like the other guys My Story review...i don't like ther first one about Ayu though

JimmyKoria 25th June 2006 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Akurei
I also Read that persons comments about Namie Amuro. And I will Honestly say that their an a - -

Could you explain further? I thought they pretty much gave props to her.

It seems like the person who wrote the articles isn't being completely one sided (they bright up a lot of good and bad points in artist).

Her pointing out the flaws in Jpop is the same as everyone else who constantly complains about western audiences and how fake they are.

Anyway, the article just made Koda fan out of me :]

truehappiness 25th June 2006 09:14 AM

The guy who wrote one Ayu review was like.. high or something cause he's like badmouthing her.. and not...

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Originally Posted by that Francis guy who wrote the column before the Teresa woman
In this series, clicks’n’cuts dilettante Francis Henville describes his descent into the netherworld of Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean commercial pop. Track by track, he navigates deeper into the genre, searching for ever-more-toothsome morsels with which to satiate his jaded appetite…


Ayumi Hamasaki
Moments (Acoustic Piano Version)


Is Ayumi Hamasaki even real? Plug her name into Google’s image search and her face will pop up. Surely human beings like her couldn’t have existed before the industrial revolution. In the cuteness category, she makes Bjork look like Meatloaf. I prefer to think of her as a calcification of caste, breeding and modern elitism, secreted by years of consumption and eventually congealed into the perfect delicacy.

Of course, beauty wouldn’t be beauty without an expiry date. But for now, Ayumi is one of the strongest marketing tools Japan has, and she is used to sell every species of clothing, cell phone, makeup, television program and food that can’t be sold without the blessing of flawless twenty-something estrogen. When I went to Taiwan in 2000, her first album had just come out, and I remember seeing enormous images of her in a gattopardo catsuit—pouting, flipping a limp wrist—plastered to the exteriors of multistory music retailers. (I’m sure that image fueled the disgusting imaginations of the furries that Rich “Lowtax” Kyanka always aims his diatribes at.)

I hated Ayumi’s music. Most of her biggest hits were moronic, glassy happy-hardcore songs that battered the tiny speaker-systems of street vendors and bulk candy stores. And since then she has recorded albums that have milked the enormous teats of the lowest common denominator, jumping from lifeless techno to impotent rock to insincere ballads. Despite Ayumi’s figure, her music seems inherently fattening, and full of bad cholesterol.

This year, her biggest single has been “Moments,” which I found impossible to keep down until I heard this version. Her vocals are accompanied by a single piano, playing a simple but carefully inflected arrangement. It’s a track that lets you put her voice under a microscope.

And a new world is revealed. Ayumi sings lead and backup on this track, but she’s most effective when replicating herself in unison. Rather than rerecording the song with a rubato pianist, it seems that her producers have simply replaced the original pathetic rocking backing tracks with a piano. This piano couldn’t possibly be what Ayumi heard as she laid down her parts.

Her voice is full of breathless anticipation: perhaps she is imagining the future heights of media penetration and profit that her career will reach. Although her phrasing is carefully contrived, her voice has none of the whininess of Christina Aguilera’s, and when you place her next to American Idols, they seem like soulless husks. What’s more, the piano arrangement allows the unquestionable professionalism of Ayumi’s songwriters to shine through.

Not understanding the words, I’ve come to conceive of this as a paean to marketing. Play this track on headphones and look up at the bald blue sky, and you’ll hear her negotiating the price of the clouds and the distant birds. It’s impossible to think of Ayumi addressing this song to any lover but capitalism.

Poor thing. I wonder if she can lust after anyone as much as they can lust after her? It’s not enough for her to be stunningly proud and weak. No matter how many mirrors she looks into, she’ll never be attracted to her own exquisite lines. She couldn’t possibly love herself enough. I believe she knows this, and as evidence I submit the desperately polished perfection of her performance on this track.


Mad_Cactuar 25th June 2006 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness
The guy who wrote one Ayu review was like.. high or something cause he's like badmouthing her.. and not...

Yeah, I don't know if he likes it or not. The My Story review (B+) also featured contradicting (?) statements, so I don't know if it's liked or not.
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Poor thing. I wonder if she can lust after anyone as much as they can lust after her? It’s not enough for her to be stunningly proud and weak. No matter how many mirrors she looks into, she’ll never be attracted to her own exquisite lines. She couldn’t possibly love herself enough. I believe she knows this, and as evidence I submit the desperately polished perfection of her performance on this track.
This paragraph is very puzzling. Good or bad? Perhaps that isn't the question after all.

truehappiness 25th June 2006 09:22 AM

The MY STORY reviewer seemed to love the album.

It's by a different guy, Josh Love.. not the usual Jpop reviewer.

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Originally Posted by Josh Love
By now everyone knows the cultural stereotype—the Japanese are hopelessly, adorably behind the curve when it comes to Western music styles. Need I remind you how Full House’s Jesse Katsopolis and his band Jesse and the Rippers scored a number one hit in the land of the rising sun with the hairspray-damaged power ballad “Forever”—in 1992?

But seriously, how Japan’s sluggish echo chamber ever became pejorative is beyond me. One listen to multi-platinum princess Hamasaki Ayumi’s newest release, My Story, opens up a world of possibilities for pop-rock cross-pollination that our current slew of ingénues can barely imagine.

See, America’s rocker chick revival is fairly recent, which may explain why it still sounds so clean. Adding guitars marked a huge leap of faith in the post-Britney era, and the transition needed to sound as seamless as possible. The resultant Avrils and Ashlees may rock, but it’s tastefully, tamely done, the baby steps necessary after a forced derail from the dance-pop gravy train (more on the inherent silliness of such a split later).

On the other hand, like her fellow countrymen who’ve taken it upon themselves to sustain the careers of Night Ranger, Nelson, and Mr. Big, Ayu isn’t at all averse to pop-metal cheese, which we Yanks appreciate in a VH1-list kinda way but don’t actually want to hear on the radio anymore, despite the fact that it can still be brilliant when properly used. “Moments” seems like innocuous pop-rock fluff until the sweet-ass Guns ‘n’ Roses-styled solo comes out of nowhere and sends it into the stratosphere, never to return. “Liar” and “My Name’s Women” are also coated in the stuff, the former with a riff that exudes twice the sleaze and abandon of “La La” and “He Wasn’t” combined.

Of course, Ayu’s not just a momentary idol that happens to pack a few hot hard-rock licks. She’s arguably Japan’s biggest and most beloved pop star of this millennium, an industry standard that inspires messianic devotion from schoolgirls and salarymen alike.

Not only does Ayu hawk an array of products and set fashion trends as often as most folks do laundry, she delivers at the cash register as well, single-handedly accounting in 2002 for 42.6% of the revenues earned by Japan’s most lucrative record label, Avex.

Certainly savvy marketing plays an estimable role here, but listening to Ayu’s music makes it abundantly clear how she’s able to fill the girl-for-all-seasons role. For one, she pens all of her own lyrics, and while I know you’re already rolling your eyes cuz the authenticity defense is always Dullsville, you have to admit that Ayu’s poetic inclinations lend another fascinating element to her music, and in fact her verses account for a large part of her appeal in her native country (the translations are definitely worth a Google, especially “My Name’s Women,” the most sonically derivative and ridiculously artificial track on the album, which also happens to be a fiercely pro-feminist tirade against sexual exploitation—“Me Against the Music” indeed).

More importantly, however, while American chart pop remains highly compartmentalized (Brit and Jojo’s dance-pop here, Ashlee and Avril’s rock moves there, the more introspective and “serious” Vanessa Carltons somewhere else), Hamasaki gladly salts her club-ready hits with power-chord propulsion and spices up her unrepentant rock with credible beat science. Maybe “About You” sounds like a cut from Under My Skin superimposed with Japanese lyrics, but “Game” is on some next-level ****, initially a New Age red herring that quickly blows up into pure dance-rock madness. Hell, “Inspire” actually sounds sorta Latin even, the kind of groove Paulina Rubio could easily own, but a Japanese girl with a fondness for mall-punk guitars? Muchas gracias, Mr. Roboto.


IMHO, he presents really valid statements and seems to have researched..

sxesven 25th June 2006 12:16 PM

To once more emphasize how professional and well-researched these people are, check out the J-Pop Will Eat Itself column on Shiina Ringo. It's an excellent column, stating things exactly how they are. It almost presents her as some sort of musical genius - so to state that these people don't know anything about J-Pop and whatever isn't exactly true. They just have good taste and don't dig mediocre pop music that sells on image rather than music.

walking proud 25th June 2006 01:23 PM

I believe that the person that wrote this article was very accurate. I'm not going to comment on the oversexed comment, but I will say something about the whole, "She's managed to make it into the spotlight through a clever marketing campaign" thing. A lot of Jpop artists have more talent than her and have been working hard to get their name out but only get barely any CD sales because they don't have marketing campaigns- and it only takes Koda Kumi 3 months to get herself in the limelight.. That's kind of disappointing.

Mad_Cactuar 25th June 2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by walking proud
A lot of Jpop artists have more talent than her and have been working hard to get their name out but only get barely any CD sales because they don't have marketing campaigns- and it only takes Koda Kumi 3 months to get herself in the limelight.. That's kind of disappointing.

*cough eri nobuchika cough angela aki cough*

sxesven 25th June 2006 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MC Tatsujin
*cough eri nobuchika cough angela aki cough*

That's just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, that's just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Or actually, it's just the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

I always find it baffling to see that completely amazing and accomplished artists get so much less attention than mediocre ones just because the latter have good marketing. Where's the mass audience that UA deserves? Why does Tujiko Noriko only get released on relatively small labels? And of course, this transcends the J-pop market and actually applies to every music market everywhere. Why is Britney Spears a big (commercial) success, and why isn't Joanna Newsom? Why do people fall en masse for Juanes but don't pay attention in the least to Devendra Banhart? Etcetera, etcetera. Music, it's a funny thing.

Kikaru 25th June 2006 05:56 PM

I find it nice to really hear from someone who isn't a Koda fan. I personally think had the few songs in the middle didn't sound so rushed, it would have gotten a B. Still, it's nice to hear a review that isn't going "OMGTHIZALBUMROCKS!1111!".

Except for the oversex comment, I don't find this article harsh at all. I actually agree with a lot of what the person is saying. Throughout the twelve singles, "You" was a great song, Candy was nice...but after the later few was just mediocre. Wind and Someday was good, but that's about it.

Also, this article is intended for westerners, and obviously is from a western POV. on a side note, I found it ironic that we (fans of asian music) are getting worked up over their criticism of westerners of Jpop music while we seem to be able to bash Western music senselessly. If you're going to criticize Western music, expect the the same happen to Asian music too.

tobygirl2020 25th June 2006 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by walking proud
I believe that the person that wrote this article was very accurate. I'm not going to comment on the oversexed comment, but I will say something about the whole, "She's managed to make it into the spotlight through a clever marketing campaign" thing. A lot of Jpop artists have more talent than her and have been working hard to get their name out but only get barely any CD sales because they don't have marketing campaigns- and it only takes Koda Kumi 3 months to get herself in the limelight.. That's kind of disappointing.

Right. And the very same thing can be said about Ayumi Hamasaki. You don't think that there were other artists who could sing better and who had better songs when Ayu debuted with weak vocals and bad songs on her first album? That there were other artists who were sturggling to make it big, who weren't discovered in a karaoke bar, who were going from label to label trying to get signed? And yet Ayu made it big with what? Oh yeah clever marketing as well. The girl who could write lyrics, face was everywhere, put out tons of material for fans to gobble up. Koda Kumi and Ayu may have different images, but their promotional techniques really weren't that different. :innocent

And why compare Koda Kumi to artists like Angela Aki or Eri? They are totally different breeds of artists. Kumi is not out there to produce thought provoking material, she said that she wants to make songs that people will sing in karaoke bars and that will be liked by a lot of people. That does not make her worse than those artists. I bet you watch TV shows and read books that hold no thought provoking material, that you read for pleasure, and yet I don't see you complaining about why writers with "more talent" don't have their shows on TV or books on shelves . . . :rolleyes

Let this be a lesson to the thread creator--at AHO, keep all Koda Kumi discussions in her thread, unless you want it to turn into a bash-fest.

*Petit* 25th June 2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tobygirl2020
Right. And the very same thing can be said about Ayumi Hamasaki. You don't think that there were other artists who could sing better and who had better songs when Ayu debuted with weak vocals and bad songs on her first album? That there were other artists who were sturggling to make it big, who weren't discovered in a karaoke bar, who were going from label to label trying to get signed? And yet Ayu made it big with what? Oh yeah clever marketing as well. The girl who could write lyrics, face was everywhere, put out tons of material for fans to gobble up. Koda Kumi and Ayu may have different images, but their promotional techniques really weren't that different. :innocent

And why compare Koda Kumi to artists like Angela Aki or Eri? They are totally different breeds of artists. Kumi is not out there to produce thought provoking material, she said that she wants to make songs that people will sing in karaoke bars and that will be liked by a lot of people. That does not make her worse than those artists. I bet you watch TV shows and read books that hold no thought provoking material, that you read for pleasure, and yet I don't see you complaining about why writers with "more talent" don't have their shows on TV or books on shelves . . . :rolleyes

Let this be a lesson to the thread creator--at AHO, keep all Koda Kumi discussions in her thread, unless you want it to turn into a bash-fest.

I think the main difference between koda and ayu is that ayu was growing from the start, kind of like ai otsuka. Koda suddenly turned kekkoi and boom! allthough most people can't seem to hear difference in her music (other than the fact that there's a lot more of it). In addition, like in that english documentary, ayumi's fans felt that her words were touching them like nothing else they've heard. She somehow had one of these deep produce thought provoking artists qualities combined with extremely catchy pop that in the end made her so extremely popular in the end, she had two sides of her that made her appeal to people demanding everyhitn from cute pop to critiques of society.

But you're right when you compare ayumi to koda vs other artists. No artist "deserves" to be more popular or sell more than any other artist simply because of some quality. People listen to whatever they want for whatever reasons they want. This argument "this artist doesen't deserve" this or that leads to nowhere and is senseless, because there's no objective measurement on quality of a pop musician. In addition Koda, ayumi, angela aki, britney spears, are only responsible for a small part of what they do, they're surrounded by a lot of very talented people, photographers, musicians, other singers, designers.. In the end it's the sum of all that talent that makes up the entertainment object that is Ayumi hamasaki, koda kumi, angela aki and virtually all pop "musicians".

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Music, it's a funny thing.

greggerz189 25th June 2006 10:54 PM

I don't think the author was harsh at all. She was pretty on point with most of her comments IMO. She didn't say anything too offensive. I especially liked her comment about Ima Sugu Hoshii. XD

greggerz189 25th June 2006 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tobygirl2020
Right. And the very same thing can be said about Ayumi Hamasaki. You don't think that there were other artists who could sing better and who had better songs when Ayu debuted with weak vocals and bad songs on her first album?

Yeah but this is like Kuu's fifth album. Took her forever to make it big, but now that she's showing more skin, of course she's going to get more attention. More power to her. Sex sells.

Dreamland 25th June 2006 11:31 PM

its not a bad review

except for the the parts about being "oversexed" and "even Bryson sounds off-putting here."

I think the article was pretty decent

qwerty 26th June 2006 04:42 AM

I think the reason why I thought this compilation deserved at least a B+ is because I'm fairly new to Koda's music. I didn't like "Real Emotion" and didn't really give Koda another chance until I heard "Birthday Eve." I was blown away by the song and started downloading the other 11 singles. I loved them all and didn't pay too much attention to her older stuff (which I now realize is better than her newer songs).

Now that I read your feedback, I realize that the article wasn't so harsh. I'm sorry for creating such a riot and "bash-fest," as tobygirl2020 calls it. Teresa Nieman is a much better columnist than that Francis dude, and I don't see her as so harsh anymore.

cybermoomba 26th June 2006 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness
Oh, it's not just because of her dressing sexy...

I know where you're going with this. Let’s look at some things here... This woman obviously misused "oversexed" in her little review there. Lets see:

Ok so Kuu dresses sexy sometimes :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead

Kuu makes some sexy videos where she does a little "dry humping" here and there :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead

Kuu has some sexy dance moves in her concerts and live performances :yes Does that make her "oversexed"? The answer is NO :shakehead

They make it seem like Kumi is some nympho or something. She's not some random ho to be called "oversexed". That I have a problem with.

I do all of those things when I'm at the club. Does that make me "oversexed"? No it doesn't. It’s called performing and having fun and being sexy. It doesn't mean that I'm doing everybody just because we're dancing provocatively.

The same goes for Kumi. It's easy for them to pick on her sexy image. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, Kumi is tame compared to some of those random hos in the music business.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 05:54 AM

....ew. O_O; XD

A little too much information, hm?

And she's 'said' that she really doesn't like doing the sexy image LOL.. whether that's true.. /shrug

Certainly though, if you ask a normal individual what this

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5025/kumi299mp.jpg

and this

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2117/kumi317nj.jpg

looked like to them.. I'm sure they'd be a bit.. '..O_O' XD Again, I know that she has her 'omg i'm so cute' side, but.. yeah at first glance she looks 'oversexed' O-o;

Rurutia 26th June 2006 06:09 AM

well, in regards to the oversexed part, i'd have to agree with that because i watched some of her music vidoes and was like okay, so she uses provacative stuff in her vids, no big deal. HOWEVER, when i watched the ima suga hoshii vid and read the lyrics, it was then i started to dislike Kuu, i just couldn't believe she would sing trashy lyrics like that, even if she didn't produce the song nor wrote the lyrics.

and how people say "sex sells," i take that as a negative thing honestly. a singer shouln't have to resort to selling the look of their body to sell their music. She has a nice body and i believe its okay for her to show it off, but....sometimes she goes a little too far. ( Especially during her concerts where they suggest.........um.......suggestive things...)And by no means am i bashing her for being sexy, its just part of who she is, but when i watch some of her vids, its really hard not think this way, she just goes too far. But then again its selling because sex does indeed sell, but when an artist does that, my respect for them declines dramatically. (I've talked to some people who bought Kuu's CD JUST because she looked sexy, and when they listened to the CD, they thought the music was "okay.") Sex does sell.....unfortunately...............

As for 12 singles in 12 weeks, the critic dude was right. some songs were really good yet some were just....... blah. But like he said "no one seemed to notice."

LIke a lot of people said , you cant really compare her to Ayu, they are just so dynamic in their own way. But one thing i luv about Ayu is that, even though her voice isnt the "BEST", even though her dancing isn't the greatest, and her body isn't as "developed' as kumi's, she STILL is one of the most influential people in the world of music, and she did that through her music, (and also good promotion), which is what i think is true artist. :yes

cybermoomba 26th June 2006 06:21 AM

how old are you truehappiness? I see nothing wrong with those pics.

greggerz189 26th June 2006 07:03 AM

Hm...I think they're a bit racy. Now nobody get their panties all in a bunch because I said that. I'm not calling Kuu the w h o r e of Japanese Music or anything, I just wish she would tone things down a bit and focus more on her music and less on being sexy. I would expect to see something like what was in those pictures done by artists here in the United States, and it came as a surprise coming from Kuu who used to be pretty "clean." I just find it a bit shocking and a bit too much.

But like I said, sex sells. XD

truehappiness 26th June 2006 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cybermoomba
how old are you truehappiness? I see nothing wrong with those pics.

I'm 16.

I said if you show them to like your mom or someone who isn't all 'omg wow i'm familiar with jpop'.. >> I really don't care about what she does LOL. Too used to seeing it everywhere. /gag

IMHO, they're the most compromising things I've seen a Japanese singer do.. [unless you can think of one who is still around today who does have those sorts of moves and all that..]

Risky Lotus 26th June 2006 07:53 AM

Western reviews from western people.
I bet she listens to country music or some crap.

it's not just Koda kumi she's bashing, truehappiness, but every one of this persons' reviews about JPOP contains something negative. Just ignore this person, they obviously have something against asian music. Let them listen to their american crap. She's the one missing out.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 07:58 AM

...you know, they aren't bashing music.. o-o;

You might be reading that really really negative guy's ones.. o-o

Just read this Shiina Ringo review by the woman who reviewed Koda's ..CD..

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Originally Posted by Teresa Nieman
As you can clearly see, J-Pop Will Eat Itself is back. Francis Henville (the original author), however, is not. That would be where I come in.



Like my predecessor, I turned to the confectionary tunes of the East (not to mention their films), after growing bored with what most English-speaking musicians had to offer. As far as I can tell, I also more or less share Henville’s objective: shining a small spotlight onto the J-Pop scene, with hopes of acquainting the unacquainted.

It was about a year ago when I first heard of Shiina Ringo. A friend recommended her music, describing it as “avant-garde.” However vague a term that may be, I was expecting her songs to be pieced-together, art-damaged, achingly hip—and nine minutes long each. What I found instead, were obscenely distracted melodies that ranged from distorto-rock to off-putting hybrids of ska and lounge jazz, starring Ringo’s ever-present pitchy, rolling vocals. Right away—literally, after about 20 seconds of each track in iTunes—I decided to switch to something safer.

I can’t recall when, but eventually these songs popped up again in my playlist. Sometimes I’d be too lazy to change them. Other times, I suppose I didn’t notice it. After a couple of weeks, I was getting strange, near-subliminal urges to find more Ringo. Those songs—their catchiness—had lodged themselves firmly into some part of my brain. I even found myself humming (and, in some unfortunate cases, singing—I don’t even speak Japanese) along whether the songs were actually playing, or I was just in the shower. I had to have more. Within a few days, I’d managed to amass nearly her complete discography (excluding most of her time as frontwoman of the band Tokyo Jihen, where Ringo spends her time these days). With her solo career currently inactive, I thought it would be nice to take a look back at her unique sound and cultural influence over the course of six years and four albums. Shall we?

Shiina Ringo is a rarity in the Japanese pop music scene—she’s a female artist who not only pens her own lyrics, plays instruments, and makes relatively uncommercial music, but she also doesn’t shill products or have back-up dancers. Hers is a fame that no one (least of all her) would have expected.

The first thing you’re likely to notice when tuning into Shiina’s music is the impressively organic (not an electronic sound in sight… or rather, in ear-range) song composition. These are melodies that will hook you—maybe after several listens, maybe right away—whether you like it or not. It’s a talent that, by all accounts, comes naturally to her—and one she’s sustained throughout her entire musical career. This, in itself, is more than enough reason to give Shiina her props—which makes it all the more sweet to find out, for those of us who need English translations, that she is every bit as strong lyrically.

Shiina’s first album was the subversive Muzai Moratorium. It’s a strong set of tracks in which our heroine croons about (amongst other things) life as a struggling artist in the hectic city of Tokyo. This girl-with-big-dreams-in-the-city subject matter is most assuredly nothing we haven’t heard before. Yet somehow—between declarations of love to her guitar amp (“It's so rough / I get off on the smell of the Marshall”), and resentful, mother-directed predictions of her own success (“From tonight onward in this town / I, once the queen's daughter, am now queen”)—she makes them utterly fresh and compelling.

With her follow-up disc, Shousou Strip, Shiina segued into an ever so slightly more upbeat, rock/pop style. This would be my personal favorite of her (album) efforts. The standouts, “Byoushou Public” and “Benkai Debussy” are layered with vocal distortion, guitar flangers, and tricky bass lines. It’s basically Shiina letting her hair down and rocking the pants off anyone who will listen. Granted, neither of those became singles—the main attraction (as far as marketing goes) on Shousou Strip was “Honnou.” The PV for said single saw Shiina performing in a nurse’s outfit and making out with a female patient. Naturally, this image—Ringo, the hot and edgy nurse—became downright iconic. Oh, and it helped that the song was pretty good too.

After a two-disc set of covers (called Utaite Myoli), she released her last solo album, the atmospheric and contemplative Kalk Samen Kuri no Hana. It’s apparent from the lyrics that Shiina is at peace, and ready to move on to better things. A casual listener might guess she’d found love and happiness. An avid fan who’s looked into her personal life would know it to be true. “Souretsu” (“Funeral Concession”) proves that she’s not resting on her laurels, however. It’s an ode to the creative process, and a lament of frustration toward unfinished projects—with abortion as the obvious metaphor. “The courage to give birth, and then scrap something / A knife cutting through thin air,” she sings. “My remains have already been completely disposed of.” As the last song on the album, it’s a fitting, if solemn, epitaph to her solo career.

Lucky for us, there’s still Tokyo Jihen.


Cyria 26th June 2006 08:21 AM

The same woman's Namie article:

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On first glance, Namie Amuro is a sheep in lion’s clothing. A mixed metaphor, yes, but such a thing is all-too-appropriate for the long-time J-Pop fixture’s musical stylings. Back in the early 90s when she was with the girl-group Super Monkeys (which eventually became Namie Amuro with the Super Monkeys, as she Beyonce’d her way to the frontline), and even a few solo albums after that, Ms. Amuro was the perfect, shiny idol for young’ns to look up to. It wasn’t until she released 2003’s Style—a disc smattered with hip-hop songs backed by various male rappers—and her work on the side-project Suite Chic, that this began to change. Her present, and self-appointed reign as the “Queen of Hip-Pop,” cemented it. This girl doesn’t match her appearance anymore.

See, stacked against her fellow titans on the Avex record label—such as wide-eyed, golden-tressed Ayumi Hamasaki, or aggressively buxom Koda Kumi—Namie is decidedly delicate-looking. Soft, ¼ Italian, ¾ Japanese features. A warm smile. Occasionally sporting a flower in her hair. Namie looks like a sweet young woman that probably makes a great parent to her 8 year-old son.

Then you see that infamous tattoo. It takes up most of her upper arm and spells out the name “Haruto,” in honor of her offspring. It’s sweet, but somehow still intimidating—like a Hell’s Angels member with “Mommy” inked on their bicep. The next thing you know, she’s singing about dipping it in the “Violet Sauce” (a not-so-veiled metaphor for the other feminine V-word, I‘d say) or wanting someone to kick her harder, kick her booty (“Alarm”). And I’ll be damned if she doesn’t pull it off effortlessly.

Before you guffaw at the thought of yet another perfectly groomed starlet digging her claws into the ever-growing hip-hop industry by trying to be all ‘hood—take into consideration: Namie may actually have earned it. She’s had her unfair share of misfortunes—and I don’t mean the “bad-hair-day” or “boo-hoo-I’m-famous” kind: messy parental divorce at the age of three, her mother’s murder in 1999, and a failed marriage of her own, for starters. She could be releasing singles about heavy subject matter like that, and no one would have any right to raise an eyebrow. But, no, Namie just wants to dance… and be the Queen of Hip-Pop. It’s this—seeing a bright, young ingénue weather her pitfalls throughout the years without so much as a stumble, to become a steady, veteran talent—that makes her so compelling. She’s tough—but doesn‘t force it on her audience, or feign rebellion. She’s vulnerable—but she would never admit it.

There’s always been something raw about Namie’s music. Even though she’s under the mighty thumb of Avex records, and her stuff is slickly produced—there’s something different at work. I hadn’t been able to pinpoint it until reading up on her history. It all makes sense now. There’s a wounded, but strong and beating heart running through every one of her songs; whether it’s about sex, love, money, or an American guy she’s crushing on.

The nature of J-Pop (I think we can all admit, it’s pretty silly stuff) often makes it near-impossible to see what lies underneath. Behind every cuter-than-life icon is—gasp—an actual person. Sometimes that person is as shallow as their image. Sometimes that person is Namie Amuro. Of course, you can never really know someone—much less a celebrity you’ve never met—based on how many biographies or fan sites you’ve read. But can you know them through their music, even when it’s mega-label pop as opposed to the self-penned, soul-baring kind? In this case, it sure feels like it.
It's possible so say something negative, even dismissive, and still be appreciative on the whole (I don't think my strong dislike of the H songs and that era's PVs means I can't call myself an Ayu fan). While this new reviewer finds that there are some things about Jpop that she doesn't like, she seems to be impressed with others.

By the way, how can I get to the index that has links to all articles in this series? It's probably something really simple, but I can't find my way there right now and I'd like to read the rest.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 09:38 AM

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/archiv...e=28&year=2004
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/archiv...e=28&year=2005
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/archiv...e=28&year=2006

Here you go. ;3

Raleigh 26th June 2006 09:57 AM

Harsh? Not really. Although some singles were good, the rest were simply hyped up. I skip most songs from her album because for me most are just mediocre fillers.

Risky Lotus 26th June 2006 10:02 AM

I didn't nessesarily mean bash. I meant only she says something negative. It seemed like the only word to fit in my sentence, and it does pretty much mean the same thing.

And I might just be reading the really negative ones. This lady does say a few things that are nice, but there's a lot of negativeness mixed up in there.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 10:38 AM

Well you have to view things from both sides if you're a good columnist.

It's not like they can just praise it.. ;p

sxesven 26th June 2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cybermoomba
how old are you truehappiness? I see nothing wrong with those pics.

Of course there's nothing wrong with those pics (hell no! :D), but in the light of pictures such as these I find it perfectly understandable that Koda Kumi is referred to oversexed, in the sense of 'with a large focus on her sexuality' (which seems to be exactly the way it was meant). It's not addressed negatively in the article, it's just observed, and it's a damn sharp observation at that. Koda Kumi = sex, end of story.

Quote:

Western reviews from western people.
I bet she listens to country music or some crap.

it's not just Koda kumi she's bashing, truehappiness, but every one of this persons' reviews about JPOP contains something negative. Just ignore this person, they obviously have something against asian music. Let them listen to their american crap. She's the one missing out.
:bsigh

It's funny how this writer and these articles are constantly regarded as rather narrow-minded (which they're not), while half the posts I read here are at least twice as narrow-minded, if not more so. Get out of your Asian admiration bubble. Note, I'm not pointing fingers, nor will I do so, and I'm not specifically saying this applies to the posts I quoted.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 11:27 AM

:yes

People should read this statement as posted above by the Teresa woman who reviewed Koda's..thing XD

"Like my predecessor, I turned to the confectionary tunes of the East (not to mention their films), after growing bored with what most English-speaking musicians had to offer. As far as I can tell, I also more or less share Henville’s objective: shining a small spotlight onto the J-Pop scene, with hopes of acquainting the unacquainted. "

Far from 'omg haters' in my book.

Keishi 26th June 2006 02:27 PM

LOL
truehappiness, where did you get those caps? XD

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The next thing you know, she’s singing about dipping it in the “Violet Sauce” (a not-so-veiled metaphor for the other feminine V-word, I‘d say) or wanting someone to kick her harder, kick her booty (“Alarm”).
this one was interesting
I've no idea Violet Sauce could have such meanings LOL now that explains the whispers in anotha recipe

ayu_fan929 26th June 2006 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness
....ew. O_O; XD

A little too much information, hm?

And she's 'said' that she really doesn't like doing the sexy image LOL.. whether that's true.. /shrug

Certainly though, if you ask a normal individual what this


looked like to them.. I'm sure they'd be a bit.. '..O_O' XD Again, I know that she has her 'omg i'm so cute' side, but.. yeah at first glance she looks 'oversexed' O-o;

Well obviously if people keep on using those 2 images + Shake It PV, then yeah. But if someone else used her other PVs (like 'you' or something) then no. Overall, I don't think she's 'OVERsexed', I think she just uses the sex appeal. She might have overdone it here and there, but it's not always the case.

Here's what I can see people saying as 'oversexiness' of the ~second session~ PVs:
'you' - none
'Candy' - yeah, it's sexy, there's sexiness in it, but it's not overdone, imo
'Ima Sugu Hoshii' - I would say this is an example of oversexed
'Birthday Eve' - none
'feel'- yes, there's a couple of scenes, but I'd say about half of it isn't really overdone
'DDD' - same as 'feel'
'KAMEN' - none that I remembered
'WIND' - none
'Lies' - same as 'Candy'
'No Regret' - not that I know off
'Shake It Up' - same as 'No Regret'
'Someday' - it had snips of 'feel' and 'Lies' (and also 'you'), but I would say no.

I could understand people saying 'Ima Sugu Hoshii' being oversexed, and possibly maybe 'DDD' and 'feel'. 'Lies' and 'Candy' arn't overused, but there is the 'sex' theme in there.

Overall, are the album's PVs oversexed? imo, No.

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Originally Posted by greggerz189
I just wish she would tone things down a bit and focus more on her music and less on being sexy.

She has though. 'Koi no Tsubomi' was a lot less sexy and the cover of '4 hot wave' isn't that sexy.

*Petit* 26th June 2006 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

She has though. 'Koi no Tsubomi' was a lot less sexy and the cover of '4 hot wave' isn't that sexy.

Did you see the PV preview of I think it was juicy....?

ayu_fan929 26th June 2006 03:14 PM

^Yes, but not the full version. I won't comment on it until I see the entire PV. There is a theme of 'sexiness' in there, but I can't say if it's overdone or anything. For all we know it could be sorta like 'Candy'.

cybermoomba 26th June 2006 08:02 PM

I guess we all have our own thoughts on what "oversexed" means.

;) @ sven

truehappiness 26th June 2006 10:51 PM

...didn't 'you' have her and that guy in bed together? o_O;

PSYCHEDELICOdust 26th June 2006 11:01 PM

Tastefully, anyways. That PV was cute. And sven = win.

truehappiness 26th June 2006 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisKay
LOL
truehappiness, where did you get those caps? XD


this one was interesting
I've no idea Violet Sauce could have such meanings LOL now that explains the whispers in anotha recipe

Some jpop bashing site. :/

ayu_fan929 27th June 2006 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness
...didn't 'you' have her and that guy in bed together? o_O;

they were in the 'sleeping position', no kissing, nothing sexual. plus the guy had an undershirt on.

truehappiness 27th June 2006 12:11 AM

~_~

Question about Koi no Tsubomi..what was the message exactly? XD

The doll seemed to make them really.. weird XD

miracleofsuzaku 27th June 2006 12:22 AM

Are you suggesting that every one of her PVs involves some kind of sexual content?
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Originally Posted by truehappiness
...didn't 'you' have her and that guy in bed together? o_O;

It's to convey the length of their relationship, hence the color changes of the bed sheets (like season changes).

Kikaru 27th June 2006 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sxesven
It's funny how this writer and these articles are constantly regarded as rather narrow-minded (which they're not), while half the posts I read here are at least twice as narrow-minded, if not more so. Get out of your Asian admiration bubble. Note, I'm not pointing fingers, nor will I do so, and I'm not specifically saying this applies to the posts I quoted.

Took the words right out of my mouth. :yes Have a cookie for this.


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