HEART STATION vs. Guilty vs. Kingdom!
 

Which J-diva's 2008 album do you like the best? For me it's pretty obvious... HEART STATION! :love

Awww! DD: Why didn't you add BoA? THE FACE was totally HOTT! :yes Also, you beat me making this thread! :laugh I can't choose yet because I haven't heard HEART STATION but if it was between Ayu and Kuu's album, I would choose Kuu simply because Kuu had a better quality of music than Ayu. I like Ayu's rock music but GUILTY wasn't as good as I had hope it to be. Kingdom was HAWT! I enjoy every bit of the album and those who say that Black Cherry was better than Kingdom, must be on crack to think that. (no your not! lol)

Kingdom

Also my rankings would be:

01. HEART STATION (10/10)
02. Guilty (I feel like Ayumi put a lot of emotion into this album)
03. Kingdom (the only decent album track is "Under")

HEART STATION 09/10
GUILTY 06/10
KINGDOM 02/10 (sorry i hate this ALBUM !!!)

I won't vote yet, I will wait until I make up a solid opinion about it.

I already can tell that for me it will be GUILTY or HEART STATION, I extremely loved most of the songs on both albums and they both are pretty strong.
For Kingdom I extremely loved only half of the album tracks, I didn't like a lot of tracks who seem like fillers and the cute songs much and it's definitely not one of the strongest albums of kumi, but it is better than her Black Cherry and feel my mind.

I voted GUILTY. At first I wasn't that fond of it... didn't like that many of the single tracks. But I feel like the album as a whole was well put together and the songs seem like thought and effort was put into them. I like Hikki, but HEART STATION was sooo monotonous. There were some good tracks like Take 5 but I'm not one for slow songs usually and the whole album used virtually the same instrumentation, tempo, and everything. Still, decent. As for KINGDOM, well, to be blunt, Koda Kumi has kinda sucked since her BEST 2 album. Kinda unfortunate because i LOVED her stuff up till then. And believe me, I try very hard to like every oversexed female artist I find lol

I voted HEART STATION. My list goes like this in order from greatest to least:

HEART STATION
GUILTY
Kingdom

They're all fantastic albums though.

Kingdom - 9/10
HS - 8.5/10
GUILTY - 8/10

Pretty close, they were all hot albums imo. I don't think there will be a release season were I like all the diva albums that drop again.

HEART STATION
Guilty
Kingdom -> the only song I like is More o_O

GUILTY = 10/10
HEART STATION = 7/10
Kingdom = 5/10

I actually like BoA's THE FACE BEST XD

anyway, from the list above

1.Guilty
2.Kingdom
3.Heart station

hikki failed to suprise me this time :(

GUILTY
HEART STATION

And no Kuu.
No thanks.

Without a question, HEART STATION is the best.
GUILTY was good for a month
Kingdom just plain sucked.

GUILTY = 9.0/10
HEART STATION = 8.5/10
Kingdom = 0/10

Well, none of those are my favorites albums of 2008. 'THE FACE', 'WISH' and 'the brilliant green complete singles collection' are so much better than these ones. Sorry Ayu, Hikki and Kuu but you weren't my favorites in this year.

Between those three albums I'll choose GUILTY.

HEART STATION I guess. GUILTY was good and Kingdom was crap.

1-GUILTY > 10/10
2-HEART STATION > 9.9/10
3-Kingdom > 6.9/10

Kingdom was pretty bland...

On first listening ; HEART STATION 9/10 GUILTY 9/10 Kingdom 8.5/10
Sebsequent listening; 9/10 8/10 5.5/10

I love almost all the songs in HS and GUILTY, and half of the songs in Kingdom.

But Kingdom kinda become boring after a period of time whereas songs in HS and GUILTY won't. HS is a less complex ablum compared to GUILTY and also it seems to flow better and thus i voted for HEART STATION.

^^Um, Austin...I love you, but even I think that was a bit much. :rolleyes XD

I have yet to hear HEART STATION, so I won't vote just yet. I'm holding off until a day when I can just sit down and do something on my computer and put it on in the background, because I keep hearing disappointing things about it. :/

What is this all about :innocent:irked:no

HEART STATION was foul. GUILTY all the way.

1 > GUILTY 2 > HEART STATION 3 > Kingdom

*I loved every single track on GUILTY. All the songs fit perfectly on the album, and the whole albums seems really carefully put together for a reason.
** HEART STATION, has Boku wa kuma (which isn't really a song), then there is the retarded BUS song, and of course Celebrate which I hated, so only 2 new songs were awesome (Fight the Blues and TAKE5). This album is not as good as DEEP RIVER and ULTRA BLUE were.
*** Kingdom, is indeed the worst one, most of the songs sound cheap with poor arrangements, and most of the PVs are really boring. The only new song I liked was Wonderland, and I could survive hearing MORE, while Under annoys me the way nothing else does.

Let's see~
HEART STATION - As I say, it's almost a single collection with some random new songs. The new songs were decent, but only Take 5 stood out for me. You Lose Hikki!

GUILTY - Another album full of "oh I'm so broken blah blah" rock songs. You Lose Ayu!

Kingdom - Bwhaha. Amazing. I adore every track, the packaging was sex, the gimmicks were amazing, and the methods they used were genius. You Win Kuu!

:love

I have nooo idea... :D

Oh I'm so broken blah blah rock songs? Is that a new genre? :s

Kingdom 9/10
HEART STATION 10/10
Guilty 8/10

i must say Guilty.
Heart Station is nice,but the most of songs are boring to me...
Kingdom sucks.

HEART STATION and Kingdom were both pretty big letdowns, while GUILTY was Ayu's best album in awhile. It's definitely GUILTY, hands down.

My ranks are also HEART STATION, then GUILTY, then Kingdom. HEART STATION seriously amazed me the first time I heard it, and GUILTY (while not my genre's cup of tea) was still solid. Kingdom only had a few tracks that I liked, and Koda Kumi's releases are starting to bore me.

HEART STATION 10/10
GUILTY 9/10
KINGDOM 8/10

Guilty 10/10
Heart Station 08/10
Kingdom 06/10

I wonder why some of you guys say that..I wish you could ellaborate more. What exactly doesn't make it a song? It has lyrics (dumb ones, but intelligence in lyrics is not a basic need in order to call a song a song), it has a composition and it has arrangements. A melody flows there, which basically makes it a song.:o

GUILTY (10/10)
HEART STATION (6/10)
Kingdom (5/10)

GUILTY was great.
HEART STATION and Kingdom ... well, I think an average album should be about a 7.

These were so mediocre compared to both of their previous releases.

GUILTY

Guilty 9/10
Heat station 8/10
Kingdom 5/10

For me it's:

GUILTY (10/10)
HEART STATION (9.5/10)
Kingdom (3/10)

GUILTY - 8.5
HEART STATION - 8
Kingdom - 7.6

GUILTY all the way!

I only got through half of HEART STATION (had to go someplace and ran out of time), and I can't say I was very impressed. It sounded like a bunch of recycled songs to me. There wasn't anything special about them. I love Hikki to death, but I really think she needs to try something new.

All in all, I really didn't like any of them. :( Which is very, very sad considering they're three out of my four favorite artists. :/ I can't really say I like any more than the other one. :/ But I guess if I had to give something....

GUILTY 7.5
Kingdom 7.2
HEART STATION 7

The fact that Catcher in the Light is 20 seconds longer pretty much explains it all. Boku Wa Kuma is more of an interlude, the way I see it.

I guess it's all a matter of taste with HEART STATION - some love it, others think it's for the birds. Utada's previous albums (with the exception of ULTRA BLUE) were less of a hit-or-miss, but I still think HEART STATION is her best work to date.

Song length is not what makes a song a preludfe/interlude or a full song. Catcher In The Light was made with an obvious intent of being a prelude. The lyrics on it are short and vague and somewhat incomplete. Boku Wa Kuma is a complete song, as it delivers what it should: simply to be a simple child's song. You don't see a single made out of an interlude song. Boku Wa Kuma had its own single, thus, it is a full song, people like it or not.

I like Boku wa Kuma :P

This was rather hard... and frankly, it went only between two options. HEART STATION sucked ass and was the worst thing I have heard so far this year + ever from Hikki.. so that was in the garbage.. so it went between Kingdom and GUILTY. Kingdom, because there was variety from pop to urban to soul to cutish pop and GUILTY had my favourite genre of music which is rock and my favourite song of 2007 which was talkin' 2 myself. Eventually.. I choose for ayu's GUILTY not because as someone who registered at an ayu forum, it's expectable to like GUILTY more than the other two, but because I still listen to the first half of GUILTY a lot... and Kingdom has some tracks I listen to a lot, but I sometimes once in a while go listen to some tracks and then it's done for a few days

Also.. like I said.. I'm a fan of rock music.. and if it's well produced then it will get my attention XD

I'd have to say GUILTY... though HEART STATION was really close. But in terms of # of songs I liked, GUILTY wins. Kingdom... meh.

(P.S. For the poll, GUILTY should be all caps :laugh)

what a surprise, kuu is all the way losing. :rolleyes

It's really tough for me to be honest. Vocally, I think Utada trumps Ayumi 9 times out of 10...but Guilty is a really good album, bar one or two songs, I don't think I disliked much about the album. Heart Station is really relaxed which I love...so I suppose it depends on what I want to listen to?

However, which can I see myself still listening to a few months down the line? Probably Heart Station. Guilty is good, but it's an album I can only listen to every so often and not get bored of it. Utada wins this one I think.

I really dislike Koda Kumi, so Kingdom doesn't even come into this debate for me :P

Well this is an Ayu forum, whaddya 'spect? :B

I, on the other hand, think Ayu trumps Hikki vocally 9 times out of 10 :) Yes, Hikki has better technique (especially when listened to in the context of Western standards) but I prefer Ayu's more emotive and Japanese singing. It's closer to enka and old J-pop than anything else.

Vocally, I'd say Guilty was the superior album out of the three, and the most emotionally affective.

Heart Station, on the other hand, has one masterpiece of a song in it: Beautiful World. It's the best song among all three albums.

However, I find Kingdom to be a the pinnacle in terms of Koda Kumi's career. It seems she's finally made the songs she's been trying to make: for the first time the album organically combines her dance songs, ballads, R&B and cute songs. Unfortunately, the album also contains the worst track out of all three: Freaky. I'd rather have I'll Be There in it.

Quite frankly, Ayu and Hikki seemed to have reached a stalemate in their careers. Guilty sounds like the last tired gasp following the My Story - miss(understood) - secret style arc (and what an impressive record that is with each album managing to sound different, except for Guilty which sounds too much like secret). And Hikki hasn't quite moved past her Traveling - Sakura Drops - Colors - Dareka compositional themes (again, each of those manage to sound unalike each other), wherein the instrumentation seems to go on for the entire song in a steady unbroken line containing slight vocal and emotional deviations. (Compare something like Uso Mitaina with Flavor of Life. The latter comes across as lifeless.) Each track in Heart Station moves, progresses, and ends in the same way, with Beautiful World the only one that emerges unique because it is the best-made in these terms.

I vote for Kingdom because it is, I think, Koda Kumi's First Love and My Story. It's probably the best non-compilation album she'll ever make in her career. Guilty and Heart Station are decent, but I expect much much much more from Ayu and Hikki.

See? Not everyone here hates Koda Kumi :D

Wow, you've managed to put to words perfectly what I've been thinking about Heart Station! The album is basically one long monotone.

GUILTY
HEART STATION
Kingdom

i'm just a huge fan of GUILTY... but i love HEART STATION... and Kingdom is starting to grow on me!

GUILTY!!! that's for sure...
Heart station - a little boring
kingdom - ... just 2 songs that i like

1.GUILTY
2.Kingdom
3.HS

I don't like Hikki^^'.....and Kingdom was okay 2-4 songs are good:)

GULITY
HEART STATION
KINGDOM

i like all the albums but I've listened to GUILTY the most ^^

Uemarasan, I *heart* you. <3

Aww, I heart-hug back :D

But you should know that overall Koda Kumi is not among my favorites though... :dead2

ahhh, such a hard poll. hmm...i'll pick GUILTY this time around, because i did enjoy it. but i seriously enjoyed HEART STATION and kingdom (i bought the album, lol) too. so it's really all equal for me, despite the poll.

01 GUILTY
02 HEART STATION
03 Kingdom

I was pretty happy with all of the albums. :)

for me GUILTY 9/10
heart station 7/10
kingdom 4/10
black cherry is nicer

BoA - The Face is so much better than Kingdon and Heartstation....

Guilty its the best off course..

GUILTY. I found Kingdom disappointing and HEART STATION doesn't have anything I like as much as the standout tracks on GUILTY.

You still gave her the chance though, which is more than I can say for the hardcore Ayu fans. :rolleyes

Hikki is my fave out of the three, but Heart Station was kinda a let down, so was Kingdom (the ero stuff was better imo). (I still love them both)

But I never get tired of Guilty, it was better than Secret. (Plus I'm lovin' rock at the mo)

Guilty gets my vote.

HEART STATION easily.

GUILTY and Kingdom were HUGE letdowns, really flawed albums, nothing really great on any of those... so sad.

i still prefer GUILTY...solid powerful tracks....Heart Station is also fantastic but lose juz a little bit...Kingdom is alright to me

I'd have to do it this way.

HEART STATION > GUILTY > KINGDOM

KINGDOM was still a good album, but it had the most throw away tracks for me out of these albums, such as Koi no Mahou, Anata ga Shite Kureta Koto and Wonderland. GUILTY was a VERY good album to me, but for the most part, it didn't bring anything new. It was like Ayumi's old work, even if it was done really well.

HEART STATION, to me, is a completely different side of Hikki that I've never seen. It was so calm, melodic, and all around beautiful. It's definitely my favorite album of the three.

GUILTY

HEART STATION

1. GUILTY
2. HEART STATION
3. Kingdom

GUILTY is my fav album out of the 3. I liked all of the songs except for 2 (guilty and glitter) while the other 2 albums I enjoyed less songs. GUILTY contains some of my all time favorites from ayu like marinette, together when...and untitled for her. I also love mirror and the inderlude tracks (well maybe except for rebirth) HEART STATION is also a good album as well. I really like flavor of life ballad version and prisoner of love...this song is so addicting! can't wait for last friends. Kingdom however...the only song I like was black cherry.

Aww lol I am sure a lot of hardcore ayu fans gave her a chance. I gave kuu a chance @_@ I watched A LOT of her PVs but I didn't like any of them (Except Ai no Uta) so YEAH generally I don't like Kuu at all (Except that one song). Maybe the hardcare ayu fans just generally don't like Kuu's music. Its like that for many artists lol not just Kuu. Its just more noticable depending which audience u are talking to.

Hmm I would vote for HS but I still need to hear all of the other two XD! Lol. ._.

I would be so shocked if I found out that my fellow Ayu fans don't like Kuu because of her dirty dancin and that she sell more than Ayu. If that so, then they need to like that go. :rolleyes Kuu has much good music as Ayumi.

@Lacus: Don't wanna sound mean but have you even hear HEART STATION? It seems like you are basing your answer on the two albums you've already heard.

heart station was alright
but guilty ftw!!
coz its got untitled ~for her~
love that song
makes me keep rethinking da happy memories of wen i went to japan ^_^
havn't heard of kingdom though but wif untitled ~for her~
theres no need!
hahas

Guilty

Ayu stays the best... out these three.. so: GUILTY...
Kingdom & HEART STATION where two of my heartfull albums.. but Guilty is more.. expressive.

i love HEART STATION 10/10! GUILTY was absolutely great 9.9/10 hehe and i just don't like kuu so i won't even give a chance on listening to kingdom 0/10

Yay! More HEART STATION fans! I swear, that album just doesn't get as much love as it should.

GUILTY was a great album in my opinion.

Kingdom had better album tracks plus anytime.

HEART STATION had better single tracks minus boku wa kuma plus Prisoner of Love :D

GUILTY
HEART STATION
Kingdom

Actually... some really hardcore ayu fans only hate kuu because she's selling quite a lot, which is no problem AT ALL.. but they already have judged her before even knowing anything about her.. and they will keep that hate while watching her PVs and listening to her music, just to bash every little thing about her. The people who really don't like her music are the ones who calmly say that as you can see, there are more *****y remarks than respect remarks

I'm not much of a Kumi fan myself.. yet, I do think that she's the most girl powerish and daring in a risky way (and I don't mean the sexy image but hanging upside down during performance with risking crashing down, swimming in a water tank for a long few of seconds)

For me it's GUILTY - Kingdom - HEART STATION

GUILTY because I love her rock music... Kingdom because there is A LOT of variety from urban to ballad to pop and HEART STATION last because.... it's her worst work so far and it's just so damn lazy compared to her other work.

I've just read through this entire thread, and I am the only person to have this ranking order:

1) Heart Station
2) Kingdom
3) Guilty

Heart Station is fantastic. It's lush, richly layered and just soooo beautiful from beginning to end. Lovelovelove. It's really the type of music that I'm completely in tune with right now. It's not her best album, but it's still miles above a lot of other stuff out there right now

Kingdom was pretty solid. I didn't really like any of the singles, but when placed with the album tracks (which are mostly awesome), everything just seemed to fit. I like the singles more now (except for Freaky and Last Angel. Freaky I do not like, and Last Angel I dony really care about) that I've listened to the album a bunch of times. The album tracks are really top notch, and everything shows off Kuus versatility. Some of the tracks are a bit of a rehash (Koi no Mahou), but for the most part, I really enjoy this album.

Now Guilty.....I HATED the singles. All of them. They all just sounded so old, forced and recycled. No thank you. I kinda liked Together when... when it first came out, but then i saw the video, and realized shes released that song and that video about a hundred times already. But i downloaded the album anyway. I think i listened to it three or four times, and i really tried to like it. It just didnt happen. There are a couple of good album tracks, and then a whole lot of crap.
No thanks Ayu. Try again please.

I prefer Guilty, but I still like Kingdom and HEART STATION....

KINGDOM!!!

RANKING
1. KINGDOM 8/10
2. Heart Station 5/10
3. GUILTY 2/10


Kingdom, had the most quality tracks even though none of them stood out compared to her other songs. It was a very fun album, and is the easiest to listen over and over. It was a huge crowd pleaser. The only track I skipped was Wonderland. This album had many highlights like Amai Wana and Under.

Heart Station, A HUGE disappointment from Hikaru, she has seen better days. The album was all over the place and had its same, Utada generic boring 90's sound. The 90's sound can be great, but in this album it seemed over exaggerated and the primary base for the album for each song, with extra sounds just to thinly coat the songs, wasnt all that great. It had nice songs, but thats all I can say about this Albums, SINGLE tracks, nice. It's album tracks in majority were a disappointment. She seemed lazy in her image and music this time. I hope she will pick up and become the Utada Hikaru I loved again :( No real highlights on this album.

GUILTY, First Ayumi album I haven't bought since Secret. Much like Heart Station, it just recycled its sound. I dont think I'll be a fan of Ayumi's current rock sound, and overall, I only gave this album like 2/10. It's only good track was Together When..., which seemed generic Ayumi still, but it was a great song. No real highlights on this album.

Oh believe me HEART STATION has been getting a lot of love. May not seem as evident on this Forum well because.....this is a mostly Ayumi Hamasaki oriented forum. Best to not use this forum as a basis as to how well accepted and received HEART STATION actually was and is still.

HEART STATION was awesome! I loved the poster *drools* Guilty was also awesome but I'd have to say HEART STATION was my favourite. I haven't heard all of Kingdom yet though > <!

This is a good question. These three are easily the top 3 albums of the year so far and to say which one is the best, I think it depends on your mood.

Koda Kumi: Kingdom

-> the album captures various moods ranging from the beautiful and sorrowful sounds (Ai no Uta) to the upbeat and sexy (BUT / Under / Black Cherry) to the cute (Koi no Mahou and Wonderland) and so much more. The album's variety is one of its strongest points - there is no one true overarching sound, instead creating a range of emotions
-> Introduction For Kingdom is a beautiful introduction [her best one so far] and starts off the album with a high point and Black Cherry is a strong bonus track to finish the album with just as much power
-> her vocals show good range from the higher and cuter sounds (Koi no Mahou) to deeper tones [Aishou] to excellent vibrato [MORE]
-> the album features many highlights such as Amai Wana, Under, BUT, MORE, anytime, Black Cherry, Koi no Mahou, Himitsu and Introduction For Kingdom
-> the accompanying PVs were enjoyable to watch

Utada Hikaru -> HEART STATION

-> the album has a consistent sound that creates a very cohesive effort; impressively, the atmosphere is retained while venturing into different types of sounds [like a dance feel in Celebrate, a magical feeling in Take 5]
-> ALL the singles from the album were strong and built great anticipation for the album, while clearly showing which direction Hikki would take [and some singles sound even better of the context of the album -> Flavor Of Life - Ballad Version - and Stay Gold]
-> Hikki's voice sounds great as usual but she especially hits certain notes well [HEART STATION, Flavor Of Life]
-> although Boku wa Kuma definitely sounded like a bad idea to put on the album, listening to the album in full, it definitely finds it's home
-> the album is easy to listen to as a whole because of its fluidity

Hamasaki Ayumi - GUILTY

-> although there are some similar sounds to other tracks from previous albums, they are different enough and so enjoyable [i.e. (don't) Leave me alone (1 LOVE) and MY ALL (Replace)
-> although there are quite a few interludes, they are strong. From the introductory Mirror to the beautiful and serene reBiRTH to the eerie Marionette - Prelude, - they provide smooth transitions for the album
-> Ayu's voice is a bit shaky at points but works well on the tracks [deeper on the heavier rock songs such as talkin' 2 myself and decision]
-> the various emotions that came with the making of the album come across fantastically [sorrow in untitled ~for her~ or happiness in MY ALL, etc.]

I think that if you don't enjoy rock then Ayu's latest album might not be for you and if you want a wide variety of sounds then perhaps HEART STATION isn't the first priority. Personally I have to pick Kingdom because it has some amazing songs that capture the spectrum of emotions. I would recommend listening to all 3 though...

HEART STATION
GUILTY
Kingdom
I am rating that in terms of how many songs I like on the album. I listen to most of the songs on Heart Station, etc.

GUILTY but HEART STATION was a very close second. I didn't like Kingdom:(

GUILTY has some of my favorite Ayu songs(like the whole first half of the album is love), but I think I'm leaning towards HEART STATION.

HEART STATION had a complexity, there was a lot there to offer. It had a theme, it sounded consistent, it flowed BEAUTIFULLY, and it posed some thought provoking things in it's construction. While not Hikki's best album yet, it's an album who's deep meaning and obviously thought through construction (it had to be intentional) is amazing. I broke it down in one of the Hikki threads, my "HEART STATION Theory."

Kingdom was amazing when it came out, but I sort of forgot about it fast >.> Musically, I'd totally give this to GUILTY, but with everything HEART STATION is, I have to cast my vote to it.

I want to say Guilty. It was a great concept album IMO. They should've got rid of Glitter though, it had no place on it. 9/10 from me.

Heart Station was great too, so many great tracks, but something is keeping me back from voting for that...I'm not sure what. Maybe the horrible album cover? Also that track about the bear who hates shrimp or whatever should NOT be on it, what was she thinking? I give it a 9/10.

Kingdom has the best theme and art to it, but the songs themselves are only average. 7/10.

Kingdom FTW

for me it's Guilty

Ayu chan....i love u

GUILTY for me.

GUILTY
HEART STATION
Kingdom

Nice topic! ^-^

For me, it's:

GUILTY - 8/10
I don't like it too much. (don't) Leave me alone, MY ALL and talkin' 2 myself are gorgeous but as an album it doesn't stand to its own, IMO.

HEART STATION - 7.8/10
I'm not a huge Utada fan, because I feel like a lot of her songs sound the same. And she tends to take one short melody and repeat it throughout the chorus (Beautiful World, HEART STATION, BLUE, etc.), which I find annoying sometimes. On the other hand this album has GORGEOUS songs (Stay Gold, Take 5, Beautiful World) so until I get used to Utada this goes on 2nd place.

Kingdom - 7.5/10
I really want to like this album more, because BUT, FREAKY, Aishou, Under and Black Cherry are some of my favorite Koda songs, but the album songs are so BLAND IMO. Amai Wana -- I got tired of that after a few days. anytime, it's OK. Ai no Uta, well ok that one's good. Koi no Mahou wtf? Anata ga ~something~, nah... I don't know, I'm just not feeling the album as a whole. Oh, Himitsu is pretty wack, too.

Edit: It's really close for me.. All three albums are great, IMO.

@austin: Yea wtf is up with Utada singing "HEARTO SUTATION" in HEART STATION lmao. The first times I was WTF is she saying? @_@

Kingdom = 9,5/10
Guilty = 7,5/10
Heart Station = 7/10

I love Guilty!!!! I used to be a big fan of Hikki but for some reason... I no longer am. So I don't like Heart Station that much. As for Kingdom, I do love Kuu, but after hearing such an awesome album like Black Cherry, I have to say Kingdom wasn't that good.