do you think there's something between Ayu & Midori?
 

Like, from some of her recent posts, she's like "MY Midori". Do you think there's something there like, I dunno. She danced with a girl in GREEN and it'd be totally weird if Ayu went that way. What do you think?:no

i'm not sure..
if they were together i wouldn't mind as long as ayu is happy. also, they would make a cute couple imo.

I don't know, and so what if there is?

It wouldn't be weird. It would be ayu happy.

btw, you should remove the no smiley from your post.

Makes you look really insensitive. That's what I think.

would people really care if ayu found happiness with someone??
isn't that what we want as ayu fans...unless you want her to be single forever @_@
i don't care who ayu likes or want to be with, i just want her to be happy

i don't think there is tbh, but why would it be weird if there was?

I wouldn't mind if there were something between Ayu & Midoring. As long as Ayu is happy, isn't that what really matters? And I agree with emiko, you should take out the no smiley in your OP...

I would actually think it is good. If ayu is in a relationship again she would be happy. Although, I doubt it.

i think, there is nothing happen between them...IMO

Yes, there is surely something between both, just like ayu featured Tomoya Nagase in all of her PVs when she dated him too. [/SARCASM] j/k :laugh


I personally don't think there's anything between them other than being friendly. If there happens to be, I'd find it normal. No big deal.

I'd like to think there is :)
It's cuuute.

If there is, there is, if there isn't, there isn't. It's none of our concern imo. If it doesn't affect her singing, then we, as fans of her music, don't have any reason to care one way or the other

LOL I actually always thought there was something between her and Mika, instead...I dunno, the gifts, and how she was kinda freaked out when she lost that ring LOL Plus hmm, aren't rings usually present a lover gives another? i guess I'm just too old fashioned haahhaha

After seeing the GREEN PV, that would be cute. :lech :D

I don't think there is.

Awww, but i would prefer AYU and SHUYA!!~ :love
but either ways, as long as i can see AYU walking down the aisle with her most sincere and happy smile, its fine!! :D

I think there is, they might just be FWB, or they might be totally in love, or maybe Ayu's in love with her but Midori's not sure how she feels yet. Either way, I think there's something more significant going on, or she wouldn't be mentioning her.

And I kinda hope so cuz they're two very good-looking people, they'd be really really cute together. I just hope ayu doesn't get political about it, you know? I hate when celebrities do that.

I wouldn't mind either way. But there was definitely something going on between them in GREEN lol. It wasn't all acting hahaha.

yeah, I know there is 'something' in GREEN PV,,, XD

hmm,, but I think they're just a REALLY GOOD FRIEND~
Even if Ayu goes that way... It's still a cute thing, lol

I doubt it, I think she's just playing on the whole GREEN PV and whatnot and being silly, but even if she was serious, I really wouldn't care or think it was weird, actually. If she's really happy then that's what matters!

the first hint came in 2003 with A BALLADS.

the second hint came in 2008 with GREEN PV.

How many hints u guys need to confirm that ayu is......... :D:D:D:D:D:D

I'm saying this nicely, but please be careful. I don't know who they are but I'm sure if a gay fan saw your post they would be upset at your "politcaly-incorrectness" and that might start some flame war :tired.

Lolol he's kind of right. That emoticon is asking for trouble. In the end it was just a PV...and it was meant to achieve a certain kind of effect I'm sure. And it most definitely succeeded in what it set out to do if it left this deep an impression on people (like me). I think Ayu really succeeded in what she set out to do too...confuse and tease her fans a little LOL. I guess what I'm saying is, if you're really her fan, her orientation is irrelevant. She's still the same Ayu we know and love.

i dont think they're gay, because girls tend to do something like that when they're really close. imo.

I'm not sure. Maybe Midori is just Ayu's really close friend. I have 5 best friends ever. Many people that doesn't know us will think that we are like a lesbian group. But the fact is not. Ayu is probably like me too. Midori and Ayu is just a very close friend. Their relationship are really close(I think so) that would make people think that they are a les couple or something. I don't know..

You're right, girls are a lot more comfortable with each other. Not like male friends, if a guy got too close to another guy, it's considered gay. But if two girls were really close, showing a lot of affection, they don't have to necessarily be lesbians. Then again, it also depends on the culture. It's common in the US but I'm not sure abut Japan...

As long as Ayu is happy I am happy for her, as long as its not DJ OZMA :eviltongu. But I think they are just close friends.

Theres publicity of her and one of her dancers and she strongly denies the rumors.

Then theres publicity of her and yet another dancer and she is advocating it.

Tbh I think she just feeding off the GREEN pairing and writes the Midori messages so that the previous rumors die out.

Lol good point. To divert everyone's attention from the whole Shuya thing. So it's like...it's ok for her to be with a girl but not with a guy? LOL.

No

I don't think so at all

and if theres something, good for them! lol


anyway, she is always that close to any of her dancers! I remember she was like that to Kayanochi, Shuya, Zin

so yea

i highly doubt it. they just seem like they are getting closer and they are great friends. shuya is her "man" in most of the PVs but that doesn't mean they are together and she talks about ZIN all the time and practically worships him! so what? and it seems only the western fans are reading into this more than they should.

hahaha, you better ask Kazuyoshi Shimomura for sure lol

frankly I don't know but even if ayumi were to go towards that route , there's nothing wrong with it at all isn't it ?

it's her choice at the end of the day

I don't think there is anything between them. So even if there is something going on, we have to accept it because we are ayu's fans. We will give her our support :yes

I wouldn't be surprised if there was but.. I don't really think there is. We all know Ayu can be pretty goofy in her TA messages, some of us tend to speculate she posts them drunk. :P And with her sense of humor lately, I really just took it as her pulling people's legs and fueling any rumors because at this point, she is no longer bothered by what people assume.

Now I won't say I doubt the possibility that Ayumi may be at the least bisexual. It sits well with her lyrics and statements she has made in the past. At the least, she believes love is love and is willing to defend that belief by even putting herself on the same gallows as those she defends. Hamasaki-san is just that kind of person, strong and defiant when it comes to what she believes in and the people she is loyal too.

I have no preference either way. In a way, it's almost cooler if she as a straight woman is standing up for homosexual rights in a country where such sentiment is not so prevalent in the media as it is in US and Canada. Also, it's not uncommon for straight women to have affection for gay men but dislike lesbians and vice versa but Ayumi made a statement in support of both, which I think was a nice touch.

To the person who said they hope she isn't getting political... I don't see this as political at all. She's not really trying to pass or shoot down bills or get anyone into office. She is using her art to display another aspect of love, one which some believe is not the same or not real but a mockery of. She's not lobbying for marriage or civil unions or anything, she's just saying "this, to me, is love". Sadly, some people will just never get it. :x

No. I wouldn't mind it, but I really don't think there is anything there - just simply promo for the single.

I think you've misunderstood. I was referring to the thread starter as being politcally incorrect to many peoples' standards. Nothing to do with running into office lol Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be patronizing, but please look up what "politically incorrect" means- I can't define it~ :)

Exactly :yes

Exactly :yes

I think its possible, considering we are all born bisexual, i'd have no problem with that, ayu is too old for me, anyway xD(me = 14, ayu = 30)

^I'd have to disagree there lol. I think I know what you're trying to get at but if we're all born bisexual, a majority of people would be bisexual and not heterosexual. For the most part people are all born heterosexual with the possibility of becoming bisexual or homosexual.

If so then I can see WHY Shuya decided to cheat on Ayu in the Days PV.

Wooooo where did you got that from? Don´t enter in that subject cause it´s pretty risky.

I don´t think they are togeteher. C´mon, if Shuya was playing Midori´s role instead no one would have brought this topic up. It´s stupid. And I agree with what nikku76 said. I totally agree with you, great point you made there.

Yeah, i mean, ayu was NEVER that direct about her relationshiop with Tomoya, why is she so open now with Midoring? I personally think she's making fun of the whole situation ;) If it were serious, I'm sure ayu would be keepiong the whole thing very private to herself, as she did with Tomoya.

no.

hmm.. i don't think Ayu and Midoring are in relationship...
they're just mainly co-workers~
Ayu asked Midoring to be on the GREEN PV to dance with her... that doesn't mean anything..it's Midoring's job of what Ayu asked her to do~
there's a reason of why Ayu asked Midoring to dance with her..just to come along with the lyric~
not because, "oh i'm with Midoring now.. i want to show to ppl that we're in love!! so we want to dance together"~
i've never seen any closer pic of Ayu and Midoring before though..
mostly Ayu with Shuya last time...and also just with Mika John~

but well, if it's true... nothing we can do though..
as long as Ayu's happy..i won't mind :)
but for now, i would like to believe that Ayu still needs a man :) haha :D

*after this whole speculation, Ayu may come clean of what's exactly "MY MIDORING" implies to~ just like last time, about Shuya wahaha lol :D*

I don't think there's anything going on since girls pay around about loving each other and being lesbians. Even if Ayu was gay, who gives a flip? It's her life, she's the one living it and if she's happy, then lets be happy for her.

ngee....I think it's weird!!! And I don't think they have something between them just because she said "MY MIDORING". It's just like we are saying: "MY AYU!"

But, if Ayu is really get into Midori, I would say "yuks!". It's because, Midori is not a good looking even she become a girl or a guy. I prefer Kayanochi to be Ayu's girl. Hehe. Don't be mad at me. It is only my opinion. I would like to apologise if I'm so rude to all of you..

Oh you're not alone, I too think Kayannochi is way prettier, and perhaps Aki ;)

Prolly as much between em as there is with Shu-ya xD

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ^^

Whoooaaa back that train up, hun.

Do you have any idea how much I'd kill to not be bisexual? Gay people I know think I'm crazy or really gay just in denial, alot of my straight friends think i'm just doing an attention-hungry Katy Perry thing (even before that song they thought it), and every boyfriend I've had (okay not EVERY, but I'd say most) have... well, let's just say they've had fantasies centered around the fact that I'm into girls too. Just about everyone thinks a little bit less of me when they find out. It's rather frustrating for many practical reasons, and often I wish I was just 100% straight so I wouldn't have to deal with it.

If ayu's bisexual or lesbian I can way more understand her hiding it up till this point than her suddently "deciding" to like girls. Seriously - no one in their right mind would choose this for themselves, especially with how people like you & the OP look down upon the lifestyle. Things would be way easier if we had a choice, but we don't. So there. :P

But I think that's one of the reasons for the lyric in GREEN about denial, and then acceptance of the truth - Ayu may well have been in denial about liking members of the same sex for practical reasons, how fans would react, how friends & family would think of her, stuff like that. There are unfortunately alot of reasons to hide homosexual leanings, far more than there are reasons to choose the lifestyle.

It's just that - and I'm sure others in the LGBT community here can agree - there's alot to the lyrics that ring true with us. I listen to it thinking about how much seems to apply to me. Too many of the pieces fit together, and I think alot of us want to believe that ayu can really identify with how hard it's been for us to come out.

To be honest, if (as nikku & guilty_me have hypothesized) she really is just writing the lyrics & making this video to acknowledge her gay & lesbian fanbase, I'll be mad because she's lying to us. She always said she didn't write lies, and I'm hoping this is no exception. It'd be just cruel to us to say "Hey maybe I'm a lesbian... nevermind no i'm not, i was just kidding so you'd like me more". There's nothing about that that's cool, and there's nothing about it that seems like something Ayu would do.


And I think ayu didn't mention Tomoya that much just cuz honestly, they didn't see each other every single day. They hardly saw each other at all compared to how often she & Midoring see each other. And it's been a few days since she mentioned Midoring at this point, so it's not like she's talking about her all the time. But she did call her "MY Midoring" and "daisuki na hito", so. I elect to think that the two of them have something going on.

Well, ayu has made songs in which she's praying to Mary, which most likely isn't her reality, so that wouldn't be the first time she'd make something from assuming to be from a point of view that not necessarily is hers. I wouldn't say she'd be lying, but she'd just be talking about love matters in a broader way. While the GREEN lyrics fit the sexual identity theme (which actually became clear only with the PV), it doesn't mean they only fit that that kind of theme. Reading masa's translation (and removing the "hims" to use a gender neutral pronoun) I still can personally fit those in any kind of platonic relationship, gay or not, and I believe a couple of the straight members could find the lyrics fitting for their love life situations as well.

While I think her lyrics are often personal, I don't think they are always that personal. Sometimes we get quite contrasting lyrics about love relationships in the same album, some with positive lyrics, others with hopelesness. It would be pretty nonsensical of her to have so many mixed feelings all at once, unless she still is the same bag of misery and trouble, which I believe she changed much from her ASFXX/LOVEppears days. For instance, I personally don't think she's talking about Nagase on Days. I think she just made those lyrics out of people who don't have their love corresponded, or maybe out of older experiences she's had, but I personally don't think like many think, that she's been aching for nagase, no!!! :P LOL

Of course they might sound like I'm fighting against the stream but..V

This is one of the reasons that makes me really doubt it. ayu had her relationship with Tomoya so in the shadows. Even if she rarely saw him, couldn't she just go : MY TOMOYA? I never saw her talking about him like that. If she were to be in a gay relationship, I'd actually expect her to be far more in the shadows, or at least, act in a simillar way. It's really strange that she'd keep a straight relationship so hidden but a gay one so open and direct. Unless her relationship with Tomoya was a farce in order for ppl not to speculate anything about her, and she didn't feel well about living a ie so she kind of hid it. Of course there's not a rule for relationships, and people can actually feel and behave differently with different people, but I dunno, it still makes me think it's a little unlikely.

Maybe I'm this stubborn lol But it's still kinda the way I think (which doesn't mean I'm right anyway). Hopefully we'll be getting more hints from ayu in the near future, as to either reinforce or refute the possibilities of her having a relationship with Midoring. Or maybe it will just be drown in a neverending wonder 'bout.

oh no...the "how are we born"-argue again, its true that theres no proof for the "we are born bisexual" theory, but theres also no proof for the "we are born heterosexual" or the "we can be born hetero-, bi- or homosexual"-theory, i just think the first one is the most logic one, education,religion and the influence of other people in general make people hetero or straight, millions of years ago when sexuality was no big thing, most "people"(we were no people back then, i think xD) were bisexual(at least some scientist say that, i think we need a time-machine to really know) and in the greek mythology almost everybody was bi xD(and its older than all the bible crap(homo is bad!!!)), at least thats what i think and i dont care if anybody thinks different o.0

XD... To be fair, I think you & I are both being stubborn about it. XD I think both of us make good points, honestly, it could go either way. :P

Seriously.

I wouldn't mind.

If she's happy that's what counts. :yes

I think this is going a little too far, this shouldn't have become a "are we born straight/gay/etc/etc" thread. :no Too controversial, don't you think?

And Dely, you really poured you guts out didn't you?

Woah...lol. I dunno if you were referring directly to me Delirium-Zer0 but may I ask how I am looking down on the lifestyle?! I wrote that post with the purest of intentions and very carefully did it in a way that wouldn't offend anyone and that was my intention...but apparently not. I'm confused how it has offended you and I apologize if it did, Delirium-Zer0 and other people who may read it. So what it boils down to is a disagreement in "how people are born" sort of thing. If that's the case I'm not going to pursue this matter any further, being a totally different issue. Just know I didn't mean to offend anyone.

You do make an excellent point about the lyrics though Delirium-Zero and the possibility is there.

Who knows...could go both ways. Maybe it's all just a coincidence and we're just reading into it too much...maybe not. But like you said, Ayu doesn't write fiction (or very much of it to say the least; only 1 song pops into my head). That and the PV was pretty much geared towards the song if you apply what is being discussed right now.

yeah, it shouldnt, and im sorry i started it

No it's my fault too. I shouldn't have elaborated on it and made it worse. Again, apologies to everyone who's been offended. My mistake for not realizing I crossed into a touchy area.

This thread is getting a bit heated, lets just calm down and agree that this is all Kazuyoshi Shimomura's fault for trying to be "artistic"

Kazuyoshi: Hey her name is Midoring. Oh what a coincidence, the song name is called GREEN, aka Midori. HEY I KNOW! I will make Midori as Ayu's love interest. Oh yes, I am smart. This PV is going to receive huge critical acclaim. PV Director of the Year, Hereeeeeee I come!

:rolleyes

Remember in one of her TA messages that the role was assigned to Midoring, not initially chosen by Ayu. So yes let's all blame Kazuyoshi. While we're at it, we can also blame him for D/G selling less than MW in its first week sales. Who's gonna buy the DVD of a crappy PV :yes.

Its the simple solution. No more heated arguments necessary!

^ Lol. You could say using Midori was geared towards GREEN too haha.

If you were referring to me Jimex, no I was never offended, really. I'm not gay afterall. I was just worried about other people who might become offended, since at its core, it is after all quite controversial.

Haha no no not you. I was referring specifically to Delirium-Zer0 and guilty_me. And of course anyone else who took my comments the wrong way.

[kidding]
close minded jerk!
[/kidding]

:mischief

It's also the logical solution. Especially since he may have certain bias towards certain subjects.

I wouldn't quite find it strange if Ayu was in a relationship with a girl, but it would definitely be something new.

But, sure, as long as she's happy. :)

What subjects are he bias towards might I ask?

Something like that's really not going to change my opinion of Ayu. I've pretty much got it in my head that she can do no wrong, so even if it were true, it wouldn't bother me; her music is still awesome!

Lol what? :thud

The original Japanese for the message was very joking, and playful..
I dont think you can take anything serious from that one.
It was clearly joking.
She would not reveal something so important in a silly journal post. LOL
But yeah, I agree, it's a really weird to say "Oh Ayu + Midoring" because of one PV,
When Shu-ya and her have been together in the PVs for MUCH longer.
and in Days Shu-ya was also her love interest, so I don't really understand.

I think it is just looking too much into something~~

And yeah, the lyrics in GREEN, the ones your quoting as "gay revelations,"
The translation is a bit off.

分かってたはずなのに〜現実に目を背けた。
Wakatteta hazu na no ni ne~
That part from there, it says..

"It was expected to understand / it should have understood
But I turned my eyes" etc.

The lyrics she used is mostly standard for her lyrics..
Turning the eyes, expected to understand. Living the way I want to. etc.
Most people interpret it as "though I should be living like everyone else, I am not."
Like, because in Japan, everyone must be the same, go to school, etc.
And obviously, she did not from the very beginning.
She has wrote about this all before... so it's not solid proof at all.

I dont have a problem if she is gay, whatever, just..
There's really no proofs about it. =\
She just joked in that one, and wrote a standard "walking in the way I want to is hard" kind of thing.
Because, well it is hard to be her.
Many many people hard it.. thats why. LOL

I think she is just trying to make the PV stand out by dancing with Midoring!
Thats all!
No relationships i think....

I think Ayu and Midori just got close friend since GREEN PV and they used Midori in GREEN PV because Midori is the japanese word for green.

^ Its pretty obvious now since Ayu could have made the choice for her own concert to pick Midori as her dance partner but instead she used Maro. Its safer now to assume that the "super intelligent" Kazuyoshi just paired them up out because of the coincidence of Midori's name.

Btw, Ayu+Maro looked soooo much better.

thats trickyyyy, i never thought of it that way

Ummm yes. It's called a friendship.

She's probably just joking around with it, after all, she added to it during the PCDL emcee when Midoring was talking. Ayu was interrupting Midoring and what not and they were both laughing. They're probably just really close.

i gotta recognize i was a bit in shock with the possible ayu's crush on Midori. I have never heard of what you say, but is interesting indeed. someone may get offended of what i say, but i think some girls are hot. (tho i'm not lesbian and i dont feel that way about Ayumi) i guess i used to think ayu was too cute for that (don't meant to offend anyone here) but if she is i have no problem with that, since i try to be open minded. i actually think she has something with Midori :yes.

No there is nothing going on.

My best friend and I call each other girlfriends, like dating. And we're not, she has a boyfriend. LOL

Girls sometimes get very close and that's likely how Miroding and Ayu are :3