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truehappiness 3rd January 2009 03:27 AM

PREMIUM COUNTDOWN LIVE 2008-2009 A (Information) II
 
This thread will be used to house pictures, the setlist (and possibly some spoiler ones, as we know that 2ch is quite pesky when it comes to leaking information at times..), and anything else relevant to PCDL. I will be updating this post throughout the next two days and so on, so please try to post anything found in the future about PCDL in here, as I will stick it in the first post.

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Setlist + rumored ones
Spoiler:
The real setlist from mixi/2ch:
0. Mirrorcle World (interlude edit)
1.GREEN (performed at the end of the runway thing)
2.Will

3.vogue (side stage)
4.HONEY

5.ANGEL'S SONG
6.End of the World
7.Heartplace
8.Real me
9.And Then ~ Naturally
10.In The Corner

11.POWDER SNOW (rear stage)
12.HOPE or PAIN
13.Over
14.SCAR

15.SIGNAL ~ Hana ~ too late
16.UNITE!
17.SURREAL~evolution~SURREAL
(10th anniversary commemoration video)
18.Who.. (rock arrangement; meaning simply more drums and so on near the end.. not too dramatic)
19.Trauma
20.independent
21.everywhere nowhere
22.Mirrorcle World

ENCORE
23.Days
24.For My Dear...
25.+
26.flower garden
27.Boys&Girls
28.MY ALL

List with numbers!
1. GREEN
2. Will
3. ANGEL'S SONG


2ch's reported songs so far (please do not think this is real until we have further confirmation.. like.. later in the night. lol. Probably like 4 hours from now..)
Mirrorcle World
Real me
evolution
GREEN
Will (or Trauma?)
ANGEL'S SONG (confirmed by mixi?)
Fly high


A rumored setlist that supposedly came from max matsuura's blog.. but I don't think max is at liberty to reveal something like that to the public. Wherever this was from, it definitely isn't there anymore..
1. taskinillusion
2. Real me
3. Naturally
4. SURREAL
5. ANGEL'S SONG
6. independent
7. In the Corner
8. Because of You
9. Memorial addess "10th Anniversary Edition"
10. GUILTY
11. tasking
12. Pride
13. forgiveness
14. SCAR
15. YOU "10th Anniversary Edition"
16. LOVE~Destiny~ "10th Anniverrsary Edition"
17. evolution "10th Anniversary Acoustic Version"
18. WHATEVER
19. Connected
20. monochrome
21. The Judgement Day
22. poker face
~medley~

* 23. Boys & Girls
* 24. flower garden
* 25. UNITE!

26. Mirrorcle World
--
27. Days
28. OVER
29. RULE
30. Trauma
31. Who...

Total bogusness. From the same person who posted some CDL list last year and quoted wiki as a reliable source.


Pictures
Spoiler:
Stage photo from an ameblo blog.
http://xs134.xs.to/xs134/08013/2971.jpg
Some professionalish photos from Max's blog:
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A rather cute photo of her and Max from his blog.
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Etcetera (Costumes, stage set up, etc..)
Spoiler:
-Pure white dress for POWDER SNOW, yuki yamu made part was acappella-like
-set is mostly pink and white
-GREEN was Asian themed, Red+bright yellow, Ayu looked like she had a sling on, but it was part of the costume (dancers wore their costumes)
-Who... section had multicolored tights, dancers had tracksuits...
-Next outfit was like older concers, bright colors with army pants
-there are two(three?) stages like CDL07-08 apparently according to mixi, with circular portion in the middle of the runway.
-she wore what looked a black glove on her injured hand but it was just a part of a costume
-her vocals were exceptional, she cried a lot (From mixi, but I don't think this is backed up..), HOPE or PAIN was a requested song, and people seemed to thoroughly enjoy the concert
-a small report from teth~
Since someone at AHS or something will write a detailed review (if not already), I will just write briefly.

...

Actually, since the tracklist is already available, not much to say. LOL

All the songs I wanted to hear (except for Present) she sang. POWDER SNOW was awesome!
- For My Dear... was definitely a surprise, since I wondered if she could handle the song now. She ended up hitting all the right notes...but not without looking she was giving EVERYTHING she had to hit those notes. After she was done with the song, she gave a "whew-I-did-it" smile at the end. lol
- Vocals overall were good...but obviously deteriorated toward the end. Days would not sound like her recent TV appearances (though not off-key). I have not-so-high faith for her vocals tomorrow but nothing that can't be fixed on DVD. lol
- Since she sang EVERY upbeat concert song basically, it was a lot of 'exercising' toward the end. lol
- I don't know why some people are complaining. I thought she was already singing a BIG amount of songs that she would not normally sing. And songs like HONEY and such, even though sung before, were very fun and refreshing.
- "Real me" was AWESOME...in the sense that they did the whole original choreography. This and PS were highlights of the night for me.
- I couldn't tell at all that she had any arm problems. Or that they did any major adjustments. She was waving it and holding her mic like she usually did. Maybe she's on painkillers and what-not...but she can probably last through tomorrow.
- I think this may be her BEST CDL (and this is in terms of entertainment factor).

I'm not going OMG over it but I thoroughly enjoyed it.


Oh and people that are complaining about the encore CLEARLY still don't get the purpose of these songs.
-Pink balloons with the 10th anniversary logo were dropped along with pink streamers
-HONDA ZEST SPARK ads were all over.. lots of little Zest Spark handouts were given out too, with the Ayu profile shot from the ads


Links


MP3 rips from the main concert [Thanks to NGKnight at AC]
Spoiler:
Only a FEW single mp3s are uploaded due to implied user demand.

RAR file with all of the main concert rips:
MEGAUPLOAD | ShareBee

Single tracks are on MediaFire. Here's a folder with all of the songs thanks to TedusCloud@JPM.
1.GREEN
2.Will
3.vogue
4.HONEY
5.ANGEL'S SONG
6.End of the World
7.Heartplace
8.Real me
9.And Then ~ Naturally
10.In The Corner
11.POWDER SNOW
12.HOPE or PAIN
13.Over
14.SCAR
15.SIGNAL ~ Hana ~ too late
16.UNITE!
17.SURREAL ~ evolution ~ SURREAL
18.Who..
19.Trauma
20.independent
21.everywhere nowhere
22.Mirrorcle World

I still find it rather unbelievable that she sang the songs she sang. Vocals are good btw.

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2009 03:47 AM

omg the other one reached its limit already? christ.

still--yay!! the photos look gorgeous :) SHE looks gorgeous.

truehappiness 3rd January 2009 03:50 AM

Yeah, the other one got pretty big really fast.

Though someone did try remaking the thread, albeit a really.. watered down version.

I'm really excited to see CDL, though someone has said that it seems like really exaggerated and possibly mimed..

kuri♥ayu 3rd January 2009 03:51 AM

back from work! but meh, nobody's downloaded yet? -_-

ayumasing 3rd January 2009 04:05 AM

She sang...Powder Snow... *melts* :luv2 I love that song!
And you can definitely tell how much her voice has matured from "A Song For XX" era to now!
Though we've all noticed a long time before that! But when you're comparing the two "Powder Snow"s...
She also sang "In the Corner"! About time, I've been dying to hear her sing that live! Yay yay, Ayu-Chan~~

~ayu-cake~ 3rd January 2009 04:06 AM

I'm really digging' her costumes this year o___o
Really nice :D

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2009 04:21 AM

Mimed? That makes me think that Ayu and everyone donned white face paint and black and white stripes and pretended they were trapped in glass boxes... and exaggerated? Well, it's a PCDL and the supposed best concert ever. :P Going to be a bit out there, isn't it?

dahyeol 3rd January 2009 04:49 AM

powder snow was great D:

hope or pain is amazing DDD:

over too (L)

flyingpotato__ 3rd January 2009 05:18 AM

thanks for the rips :)

rakeru 3rd January 2009 05:34 AM

have i not been paying much attention lately, or did she cut her hair?!

Jeremy911 3rd January 2009 05:37 AM

Does anyone know Where/when the Encore is available? Raysource only has up to Mirrorcle World performace:(

Lady_Eowyn 3rd January 2009 06:12 AM

i would like to see the whole perfomance (hopefully i will...) seems there were lots of costume changes!!! thank God she incuded will!!! Ayumi is such a hardworker!!!

keikeiaznqueen 3rd January 2009 06:35 AM

How far is everyone downloading from raysource into the download? I'm around 50% done and my speed hasn't slowed down much since I started. :3 I have around 2 hours remaining.

Hope to see the concert sooooon. Wonder where the encore is.

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 06:37 AM

I'm still getting my nearly 5gb file from a japanese source, but it has been slow going since my connection went out for a few hours today.

jonneh 3rd January 2009 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1766723)
I'm still getting my nearly 5gb file from a japanese source, but it has been slow going since my connection went out for a few hours today.

Don't worry, keep it up! Hang in there :P

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 06:53 AM

btw, I really hope the report about Over being lipsynched isn't right. Angel's Song doesn't surprise me, but Over...can't really see a reason to lip synch that. I hope there aren't more lip synching moments than that.

Kikaru 3rd January 2009 06:57 AM

Wait...since lip-sync allegations have been out, does it mean some already got the file?

stardusties 3rd January 2009 07:56 AM

wow! heartplace :D...that's a rare one! and everywhere nowhere? >_<;;

this is my first time seeing that setlist btdubz

asmAyumi1992 3rd January 2009 09:27 AM

Ayu looks very pertty in that red dress. I wonder what makes Max had big laughed but Ayu just smiled. :rolleyes

Jeremy911 3rd January 2009 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1766731)
btw, I really hope the report about Over being lipsynched isn't right. Angel's Song doesn't surprise me, but Over...can't really see a reason to lip synch that. I hope there aren't more lip synching moments than that.

I didn't notice any lip synching.

njanjayrp 3rd January 2009 09:47 AM

Good to hear, people here tend to believe the rumors easily, but even if she did, she had to sing it at some point as the song had to be re-recorded and that doesn't change the fact it sounds really good :) I am 50% atm :(

SURREAL__RAINBOW 3rd January 2009 09:54 AM

thank you for the new thread!!

I'm dying to get the DVD of this concert!!!

:D:D:D

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1766834)
Good to hear, people here tend to believe the rumors easily, but even if she did, she had to sing it at some point as the song had to be re-recorded and that doesn't change the fact it sounds really good :) I am 50% atm :(

Well the "It's Over" part was at least for sure lip synched.

alternarist 3rd January 2009 10:01 AM

is there a torrent to dl PCDL like previous years?

prussian blue 3rd January 2009 10:07 AM

did she wear a wig when performing GREEN? the bob is pretty cute. i still impress with all of the rips, she sing it so amazingly

njanjayrp 3rd January 2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1766846)
Well the "It's Over" part was at least for sure lip synched.

ever heard of a nice thing called a back track? even when PECO and YOKO are there Ayu still uses it in many tracks while singing live ^^ Half of Koda's upbeat songs use it to (of course you could also say that she lip-syncs TABOO and many of her songs because of that..). You can't say someone's lip-syncing just based on one line (and btw why is all the ls talk so important to you? as you always seem to bring it up)

sanzo2011 3rd January 2009 10:36 AM

it's ok ! whether she lyp-synced or not , i really don't care ! just a few tracks ! i think when she lyp-sync the whole show like Brits did , we'll have more to say .

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1766866)
ever heard of a nice thing called a back track? even when PECO and YOKO are there Ayu still uses it in many tracks while singing live ^^ Half of Koda's upbeat songs use it to (of course you could also say that she lip-syncs TABOO and many of her songs because of that..). You can't say someone's lip-syncing just based on one line (and btw why is all the ls talk so important to you? as you always seem to bring it up)

Have you actually watched it? I don't think so, because if you did, there is no way you could argue it. :) She doesn't have the mic anywhere near her mouth at that part and it is clearly Ayu's voice that comes out, not Peco or Princesses or a backing track. And for the record, I did not bring it up. Someone else in the thread mentioned it and I said I hoped it wasn't true. I saw the performance and it was true. There's somehow a problem with that? And I didn't say she lip synched the whole song either, I said that at least THAT LINE was for sure lip synched.

And no, I would never say Kuu lip synchs Taboo because she doesn't. You can clearly hear her voice apart from the backing track.

njanjayrp 3rd January 2009 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1766870)
Have you actually watched it? I don't think so, because if you did, there is no way you could argue it. :) She doesn't have the mic anywhere near her mouth at that part and it is clearly Ayu's voice that comes out, not Peco or Princesses or a backing track. And for the record, I did not bring it up. Someone else in the thread mentioned it and I said I hoped it wasn't true. I saw the performance and it was true. There's somehow a problem with that? And I didn't say she lip synched the whole song either, I said that at least THAT LINE was for sure lip synched.

And no, I would never say Kuu lip synchs Taboo because she doesn't. You can clearly hear her voice apart from the backing track.

Exactly ^^ I didn't say it's not true (I've only got 50% of the file so I didn't watch the whole thing yet). back track = Ayu's recorded voice XD Even if she tried to sing a long to it it's still a back track :p You did say that Over was lip-synced in one of your posts first (and not just one line). But in the end it doesn't matter :)

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1766874)
Exactly ^^ I didn't say it's not true (I've only got 50% of the file so I didn't watch the whole thing yet). back track = Ayu's recorded voice XD Even if she tried to sing a long to it it's still a back track :p You did say that Over was lip-synced in one of your posts first (and not just one line). But in the end it doesn't matter :)

It is not a backing track. For one, a backtrack is much softer. Please wait until you've actually seen something before defending it. And no, I don't recall saying that Over was lip synched.

Jeremy911 3rd January 2009 10:58 AM

Well i just finished watching 'over' gain, And Ayu totally does miss the part where you hear her say it's over. She does hit it at the very end of the song though. There is some doubt in my mind if she lyp synched it though. Because during 'evolution' When Ayu is sitting next to Yo-chan you clearly hear Ayu say Yo-chan wooo right beofore his solo yet her mouth does not even move.

I think there might have been a issue with sound synchronization, Because why in the world would Ayu lyp-synch Yo-chan woooo?

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy911 (Post 1766880)
Well i just finished watching 'over' gain, And Ayu totally does miss the part where you hear her say it's over. She does hit it at the very end of the song though. There is some doubt in my mind if she lyp synched it though. Because during 'evolution' When Ayu is sitting next to Yo-chan you clearly hear Ayu say Yo-chan wooo right beofore his solo yet her mouth does not even move.

I think there might have been a issue with sound synchronization, Because why in the world would Ayu lyp-synch Yo-chan woooo?

Wow, I actually haven't gotten to that part yet. Thats uhh...kinda scary if she pre-recorded a yo-chan woo part. hmmm. I mean I do wonder if its something strange with the file, but then at the same time there are plenty of other moments where her mouth movements are totally on. :shrug

and btw, this forum is really annoying these last couple of days. 9/10 I get an error message.

Nukaru 3rd January 2009 11:38 AM

I have an encore file in my downloads, but the file size is too small to be the full thing. I think it's just till her MC, so Days and For my Dear...

njanjayrp 3rd January 2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1766882)
Wow, I actually haven't gotten to that part yet. Thats uhh...kinda scary if she pre-recorded a yo-chan woo part. hmmm. I mean I do wonder if its something strange with the file, but then at the same time there are plenty of other moments where her mouth movements are totally on. :shrug

and btw, this forum is really annoying these last couple of days. 9/10 I get an error message.

LOL, yeah that would be ultra weird XD And yeah AHS is getting utterly annoying the last few days, sure the "Temp. not available" page is better than waiting 10 mins for the page to load, but still it's annoying as hell.

Not~Yet 3rd January 2009 12:40 PM

^Phew, glad to know the problem is not with my computer... If she has lipsynched something during this concert, I hope it's just the "it's over" part and Angel's Song. I'll be very dissappointed otherwise, since I was so happy over her improved vocals I completely forgot that she is half deaf..

yoshino 3rd January 2009 01:15 PM

Thanks for everything that u posted! I love that Ayu is singing those 'rare' songs! I'm so gonna buy the dvd once it's out!!

Ayu still sings And then very well!! I love it!!

Bad Wolf 3rd January 2009 02:13 PM

>And no, I don't recall saying that Over was lip synched.

Dude, you just said that the "It's Over" part of Over was definitely lip synched. Unless you're referring to something else in this quoted text and I'm not understanding you properly.

Not~Yet 3rd January 2009 02:36 PM

^-I think she meant she doesn't recall saying that the whole song was lip synched.

jonneh 3rd January 2009 04:24 PM

^-That's what she meant.

Anyway! I can't wait to finally be able to watch this. And for AHS to quit having technical issues :P

SunshineSlayer 3rd January 2009 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InoriNoUta (Post 1766951)
>And no, I don't recall saying that Over was lip synched.

Dude, you just said that the "It's Over" part of Over was definitely lip synched. Unless you're referring to something else in this quoted text and I'm not understanding you properly.

I obviously meant that I haven't said that the whole thing was lip synched - that was the issue here. :)

PINKvanity 3rd January 2009 06:27 PM

i cant seem to get the encore part to work. the rar file is messed up, was anyone else able to download it from ayuchina??

Chibi_Venus 3rd January 2009 07:55 PM

Ooh, I'm loving everything about this. And there are MP3s? Woot!

Kesteral 3rd January 2009 08:43 PM

Is there another rayfile link out there for the encore? I know on the downloads thread someone posted links to Ayuchina, but I can't translate the site for the life of me. =(

I'm so happy she sung so many of her older album tracks! I was watching the main section while I was still downloading it and nearly died when I heard the opening notes for Heartplace seconds before my video cut out. My roommate was so confused when I started yelling at my computer. >_<

Batera 3rd January 2009 09:26 PM

It seemed evolution was lipsynched too...

Did she lipsynch the whole concert?!? I guess not...
But ANGEL'S SONG, Over and Evolution is clearly that she did it.

noidea 3rd January 2009 09:40 PM

did she use the playback from CDL0708 and AT07(from the 2nd verse on) again? i dont have the files of pcdl yet

Melrose 3rd January 2009 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batera (Post 1767165)
It seemed evolution was lipsynched too...

Did she lipsynch the whole concert?!? I guess not...
But ANGEL'S SONG, Over and Evolution is clearly that she did it.

UMMM

How can she lip sync (no h) evolution when she shouts COME ON, MOTO, etc. all the time?

Batera 3rd January 2009 11:20 PM

Maybe I am wrong Melrose,

but have you seen the video concert yet?
Pay attetion when she starts to sing the second part of Evolution and when she calls Yo-chan to the guitar solo... it seems there's something strange...

Oh, and sorry for the lipsyncH :D
This word doesn't exist in Brazil...

Jeremy911 4th January 2009 12:03 AM

I think there is actually something wrong with the audio where you are talking about. Because you can actually hear the guitar solo start before he actually evens starts paying the guitar:P

ayumasing 4th January 2009 12:44 AM

Wasn't there lip-synching allegations last time though? But I heard it was from some Chinese male singer, and many claimed that he was just lying, I think.

yatenkouxoxo 4th January 2009 12:59 AM

I watched the whole thing this morning, and I just think it's a general sync issue. Nothing to worry about.

Andrenekoi 4th January 2009 01:06 AM

I watched the whole show right now, and I think "ANGEL'S SONG" and "evolution" are lip sync.
I have my doubts about "SIGNAL" and "vogue".

But "End of the World", "Real Me", "SCAR", "POWDER SNOW" and "Mirrorcle World" has IMPRESSIVE vocals!

Batera 4th January 2009 01:33 AM

That's right Andrenekoi! I guess a few songs are lip sync.
These songs you said are really awesome! It seems she gave her best to sing them! \o/

Anyway I don't think lip sync is a bad thing. We have to consider that she's injuried and she had anemia about 1 week before CDL. Singing about 30 songs for 2 days might have been hard to her, but she could do it!

Lee^ChaN 4th January 2009 01:46 AM

Heartplace
And Then ~ Naturally
POWDER SNOW (rear stage)
HOPE or PAIN
Over
SCAR
SIGNAL ~ Hana ~ too late
For My Dear...

WOW!! those are rare!! she almost never sang it on tour!!

Melrose 4th January 2009 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batera (Post 1767243)
Maybe I am wrong Melrose,

but have you seen the video concert yet?
Pay attetion when she starts to sing the second part of Evolution and when she calls Yo-chan to the guitar solo... it seems there's something strange...

Oh, and sorry for the lipsyncH :D
This word doesn't exist in Brazil...

Hmm, okay, the evolution bridge looks weird, the audio delay issue makes it hard to see if it's actually lip synced. Plus, she has done before that she lip syncs the bridge but not the rest of the song, so...

And the Yo-chan part is fine.. There's no reason at all why she would lip sync that lol. Can you honestly tell if she's moving or not moving her mouth in the way she's sitting and with that light?

And np with the lipsynch. It's just that I've seen people say it like that for a year now, and it's without h so I thought I should say something about it. xD

But other than ANGEL'S SONG and the sentence in Over, you can't really say that she lip synced anything. Her vocals are excellent throughout the entire concert. It's not like CDL 07-08 where she prety much sucked, and then suddenly has perfect vocals in STEP you and evolution. Then it's clearly lip synced. But here, no. ^^ It seems more like people aren't used to Ayu singing good and then think every good sung song is lip synced, but she's singing good pretty much the concert and not just a few songs so you can't really point out any lip synced songs.

everywhere nowhere sounds the most lip syncy along with HONEY, but at2:07:54 she kinda proves that everywhere nowhere is live. HONEY, I dunno, it seems lip synced with that high pitched voice and all.

Lee^ChaN 4th January 2009 04:22 AM

it's a 3,5 hours performance..
it's normal for her to do some lip-sync

Gus-tave 4th January 2009 07:14 AM

I have been watching the performances on youtube and this is soooo good!!! Too bad though that she lip-syncs on the song Angel's Song... it's really obvious since she accidentally moves her mouth to the wrong part of the song :(

But, I don't really care since Angel's Song is probably impossible to sing live ^^
The rest is really GREAT!!!

This is some of the best performances by Ayu in a long time ^^ GANBATTE AYU!!

erika_ayu 4th January 2009 08:17 AM

ohhhhh im alreayd watching it in youtube!! :love
her vocals were WONDERFUL but i think she lipsynced ANGEL'S SONG, she made a mistake during "hane wo mita" part XO
either ways it was still awesome!! :luv2 cant wait for the DVD!!

BoBo 4th January 2009 09:55 AM

photos are amazing... :) 10x a lot ^^

kendelle 4th January 2009 10:41 AM

I'm going to listen to the tracks and wait for the DVD, I don't want to spoil the whole concert until I have the DVD in my hands!

What a fantastic tracklist, I can't wait!!

hoshiBlack 4th January 2009 10:53 AM

I'm a bit disappointed, and can only hope that this was a problem with the translation (for her singing mistakes) or some problem with the file.
Cause Over also had -many- mistakes, during evolution when she called out 'Yo-chan~' it was dark and hard to tell if he said it, but it looked a bit off...
(but during UNITE! on the TV screen, it was written as SURREAL, lol XD )

Melrose 4th January 2009 12:04 PM

Over had mistakes where?

hoshiBlack 4th January 2009 12:09 PM

^
By 'mistakes' I meant.. parts where it looked as if she was behind the singing. There were many, basically, the whole song.
I get it why so many people say it was lip synched.
Because surely, "It's over~" came in way before she brought the mike to her lips.

Other than that, I'm still trying to decide if it was a problem with the translation on the TV, or the video file.

But those are just hopes :)

Linoa62 4th January 2009 12:27 PM

Actually on ayuchina they say that the TBS satellite signal was not very good that night from 11 p.m, that's why there are synchronization problems with image and sound in the video! Actually I have the full encore, and after MY ALL's choregraphy lesson, the sound is inaudible and the image is very blurred, so it was impossible for me to watch from +... The concert ends right after MY ALL.

waterballoon 4th January 2009 12:34 PM

Actually, if I were Ayu and wanted to lip sync certain songs, I wouldn't be so dumb as to make avoidable mistakes as such seen in ANGEL'S SONG and Over... but there are always exceptions! Either way, this PCDL is really a great fan-service and I would LOVE to part with my money to get my hands on the DVD!

Melrose 4th January 2009 12:38 PM

^

Oh, yea, that's the file. Unless she lip synced everything and failed to mouth it properly due to mental retardedness. At least that's what I see. Because if you compare the vibrato in Over to, say, ANGEL'S SONG and HONEY, you notice her vibrato is muuuch rougher in Over. E.g.

Vibrato HONEY:
~~~~~~~

Vibrato Over:
xxx;;~~~~--

Lol.

waterballoon 4th January 2009 12:41 PM

^ Lol vibrato out of control? By the way, I'm watching the clips on youtube now and I hope they're in their best quality (or at least synced well in audio and video)...

Jeremy911 4th January 2009 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luna62 (Post 1767858)
Actually on ayuchina they say that the TBS satellite signal was not very good that night from 11 p.m, that's why there are synchronization problems with image and sound in the video! Actually I have the full encore, and after MY ALL's choregraphy lesson, the sound is inaudible and the image is very blurred, so it was impossible for me to watch from +... The concert ends right after MY ALL.

Hmmm... So is that why there is no encore available? Just to crappy of a quality to upload?

hoshiBlack 4th January 2009 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luna62 (Post 1767858)
Actually on ayuchina they say that the TBS satellite signal was not very good that night from 11 p.m, that's why there are synchronization problems with image and sound in the video! Actually I have the full encore, and after MY ALL's choregraphy lesson, the sound is inaudible and the image is very blurred, so it was impossible for me to watch from +... The concert ends right after MY ALL.

Then that might be the case? Because... it looked weird at parts, at Over.
Almost as if the video was sped up a little at times XD

I can't wait to see the DVD, because I'm pretty sure we won't see any problems there :3

Nukaru 4th January 2009 01:01 PM

I think she only lip-synched ANGEL'S SONG (and it's ovious she did, just think of the 'Kimi no se ni tenshi no hane o mita' where she sings motsu instead of mita).
When you edit the audio stream to actually fit the video songs like OVER or SCAR actually match her breathing and the way she does her 'vibrato-thing'.

Emperatriz Ayumi 4th January 2009 01:13 PM

Thanks for the information! I have already downloaded and I´m watching it... IT´S AAAAAWESOME!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!

MissElin_ 4th January 2009 01:18 PM

Wow still no encore? Oh well, I wont be able to download the concert until tomorrow evening so so. Cant wait. ^^ The pics looks awesome!

Nukaru 4th January 2009 01:19 PM

I've uploaded the encore here: http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84610

It's only the first part, but the second is uploading right now, even thought the second part is in horrible quality >__<

njanjayrp 4th January 2009 03:07 PM

Ok so I watched it (yea took me long enough), ANGEL'S SONG is defo lip synced (no one can argue that), Over was really weird, it might be that the did use a back track for that It' Over in question as it was too close to the previous line, and it didn't look like she tried to sing it, but it could be that it was LSed as well. I am pretty sure the rest was not lip synced, tough I had my doubts when it comes to SCAR but I guess no one can really prove if she sang it or not. The delays were obvious at times, but it's prolly due to either bad compression or the fact that the signal was weak as someone said. Over all the concert was ok, still can't beat an ARENA TOUR imo. For My Dear.. is simply AMAZING!

Mirai Noah 4th January 2009 05:08 PM

I haven't watched the concert yet, but looking at the pictures, I love her outfits! Especially the red dress.

ayu_fantasy 4th January 2009 05:19 PM

Awww. what can i say? Ayu's beauty is breathtaking and and i wouldn't have agreed otherwise...

Cool, that she didn't use Shu-ya as her male-partner for Green performances.... That's something new.
:)

rakeru 4th January 2009 07:59 PM

why would she lip synch? she hasn't done that for any other concert (has she?), and i don't really see the need to do it now, and only for one song.

Melrose 4th January 2009 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rakeru (Post 1768134)
why would she lip synch? she hasn't done that for any other concert (has she?), and i don't really see the need to do it now, and only for one song.

Lol she's done it several times before. Some confirmed + very suspected:

AT08: (d)Lma, Marionette, my name's WOMEN
A-Nation 08: fairyland, Greatful days
CDL0708: STEP you, evolution
A-Nation 07: until that Day...
AT07: evolution, until that Day... (but until that Day is only lip sync on dvd, so they could have completely changed her vocals)
AT06: Ladies Night

maikaru 4th January 2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1767870)
Because if you compare the vibrato in Over to, say, ANGEL'S SONG and HONEY, you notice her vibrato is muuuch rougher in Over. E.g.

She was singing for a really long time,
So that could explain the vibrato difference~
Like, she sang POWDER SNOW (which probably destroyed her vocal chords at that moment.. ahaha so high)
The HOPE or PAIN, OVER, and Scar, all back to back..
Omg thats so scary to actually think about it~ ahaha.
No breaks in between.

futureLOVE 4th January 2009 11:29 PM

...personally i don't think it matters if anything was lipsung.

If she had sung it live and it sounded bad...people would be complaining about that too.

This is how I look at it...I would want to go to a concert to see someone that i admire sing songs that I love...if it's lipsync then it's probably better that way as it probably didnt sound up to par with live vocals.

I'd rather see something fantastic that sounds good than to see something that looks great but sounds terrible.

amorphose 5th January 2009 12:18 AM

At least when she lip-syncs she records new versions of the songs. If she used the original studio version... then I'd be mad. xD

Evolution7/4 5th January 2009 01:04 AM

^Exactly. Its liek she only uses lip syncing once and awhile and only for big concerts never for TV promos or anything like that. And when it is lipsung its at least a new recorded version and not the original track.

panda87 5th January 2009 01:11 AM

AMAZING tracklist. like omfg. i can't believe it. amazing choices!

soooo excited for the dvd release!

Luther10 5th January 2009 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1768168)
Lol she's done it several times before. Some confirmed + very suspected:

AT08: (d)Lma, Marionette, my name's WOMEN
A-Nation 08: fairyland, Greatful days
CDL0708: STEP you, evolution
A-Nation 07: until that Day...
AT07: evolution, until that Day... (but until that Day is only lip sync on dvd, so they could have completely changed her vocals)
AT06: Ladies Night

If I may ask, which of these are confirmed lip-sync performances??? And please, the ones YOU confirmed yourself don't count. You seem so PROUD to be the AYU-lipsync Inspector, and that make me sick...

reixminako 5th January 2009 02:08 AM

People, people, just deal with it: Ayu lip-synched. What's the big deal? She's a human being like the rest of us. Get over it already.

And have you guys seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEz6Vm4U08E

It shows a little bit of Days from the encore and her taking off her glove for the end of the concert. Very nice :)

waterballoon 5th January 2009 02:13 AM

LOL, unfortunately, I don't exactly agree with your list Melrose. Take it that I've not heard more than 50% of those performances, but whatever.

Lip-sync or not, I'm just grateful and proud of Ayu for putting a 3 hour concert... and singing songs that made me love them (SCAR! POWDER SNOW!)... and besides, every song is with her new vocals... at least she bothered to "record" new versions to lip sync (assuming that she really did)... better than syncing to the studio versions.

In any case, the only 2 performances which I've seen with my own eyes would be:

1) theme of a-nation' 03 in CDL 05-06 (TV version)
2) ANGEL'S SONG in PCDL

Simply because she mouthed the wrong word at that part of the song (and it would be impossible to make that syllable from your mouth at that kind of position... so no "benefits of doubts" here; and also I tried to defend ANGEL'S SONG, as I heard her singing a wrong part... I would try to find the video again and post it here for further clarifications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPtwFj0cT0s

That is the link to the ANGEL'S SONG performance. I suggest watching it in high-quality to get a better view. Okay here are the iffy bits.

1:40 - See how her mouth is actually shaped weirdly? I tried it myself and I can make the "ta" sound, but it's muffled. At that time, the "ta" was very loud and projected... so unless she has power diaphragms or something... it would seem weird.

2:38 - That line is supposed to be "Watashi wa mabataki sae mo oshimu no" but at the 'watashi wa' part, you (I, rather) can hear a 'watashi ni' somewhere. I'm very unsure if it's Peco or Ayu, but Melrose told me both were actually singing 'watashi wa'. So I watched a few more times... and I kind of realized that the 'watashi wa' sounds much lighter and softer than the rest of the song. I don't really think she lip-synced then... since she missed a note (upon more hearings, the 'watashi wa' really sounds like Peco and I don't hear Ayu; maybe she's drowned by Peco's OMGPOWER diaphragms). She most likely ran out of breath and couldn't have enough time to sing the 'wa'. But I could be wrong. *shrugs*

2:47 to 2:48 - This time, the line is "Kimi wa se ni tenshi no hane o motsu". Notice her lips are more in a pout-shape rather than that weird lip shape at 1:40? I honestly do not know what on earth happened at 1:40, but I'm quite sure this line is live.

That could be a technical problem or anything like that. No one knows for sure because most of us are just watching from youtube/downloaded versions which have problems.

What I want to say is, I don't really believe that ANGEL'S SONG is lip synced. My heart really tells me to believe Ayu, and I guess I would because I have watched this performance several times... I believe her. And it's up to you whether you want to think she lip syncs. In my opinion, whether she lip syncs or not, she still has a certain honesty in her music. Though personally, I would feel hurt if she really does lip sync, cos it's just some sort of a... lie that you tell your fans?

"I'm doing a live but I lip sync a song!"... It's like I don't know. I'm a fan... and I really want to see her singing live instead of lip sync... because how do we say this... lip syncing is akin to a runner taking steriods. It's just taboo and not a very glorious act.

But at the end of the day, I would still support Ayu because I would understand, if she really did lip sync. I hope no one feels offended.

Polyrhythm 5th January 2009 03:02 AM

I will try to upload Heartplace tonite. Almost the entire show is on YT now. You can see them here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/xHeartStation

It took forever and my internet kept crashing all the time x_x STUPID CHARTER!!! Where is my "High Speed Cable"?????? Ok anyway....i bet no one wants WILL uploaded since theres already 2 videos with WILL in it on YT so I probably wont do that one. OH YEAH! I noticed this when I was uploading uh....SURREAL....they labled part of UNITE! as SURREAL so I uploaded it, listened and I thought I made a mistake. But then when SURREAL really started the word SURREAL came on screen again x_x

Evolution7/4 5th January 2009 03:10 AM

She lip sung Angel's Song for At 03-04 but it definitely was not the same track used for Memorial address CD. I'll have to listen but she may have used the same rerecorded track for PCDL. Oh and that youtube link of Angel's Song is completly out of sync with the audio (even in high quality)!! i don't think anyone could lip sync that bad! ;)
EDIT: Wait maybe its just her messing up the lyrics again haha at :53. God I think we just need to wait for the DVd, yes the audio may be redone, but honestly these clips, especially youtube, can be poorly synced at times. Sometimes its in sync, sometimes its not.
...Anyways who gives a care if she did or not, we know she can sing live and she din't lip sync the whole concert.

SunshineSlayer 5th January 2009 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1768377)
What I want to say is, I don't really believe that ANGEL'S SONG is lip synced. My heart really tells me to believe Ayu, and I guess I would because I have watched this performance several times... I believe her. And it's up to you whether you want to think she lip syncs. In my opinion, whether she lip syncs or not, she still has a certain honesty in her music. Though personally, I would feel hurt if she really does lip sync, cos it's just some sort of a... lie that you tell your fans?

She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs may be up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

Arenia 5th January 2009 03:49 AM

OMG!!!!!! why in News thread and Chatroom thread, everybody talks about LIP-SYNC
i'm already sick hearing and discussing that!!!
yamette kudasaiiii!!! ==> PLEASE STOP, OK????

ayu lip-sync or not, that's not an information right??
so don't discuss in here, pleaseee..... :tired

waterballoon 5th January 2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1768451)
She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs are up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

Okay, I guess she did then.

@ Arenia: I'm really sorry. But this is an issue that's related to the singer... it's just like how in a Pokemon forum people complain how the Battle Tower is imbalanced, or how in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum people complain about the dub, or how a Cristiano Ronaldo forum has people discussing about him playing cheats.

It's part and parcel of what this subject does, in this case Ayu. Don't get any of us wrong... I just think it's wrong to blindly love something and ignore every mistake/wrong thing that was made... I, for one, understand why she would do all these things, and I respect her for that.

I'm still very sorry for spoiling your mood.

Kikaru 5th January 2009 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1768451)
She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs may be up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

I really hope I don't bring up another heated discussion (especially with the forum not really working that well) but apart from Angel's Song, which is basically confirmed, and that line in Over, is there any other suspicions even after the audio appears to be in sync?

Overall, I love this concert. Except for the weird fairy costume with the matching bathrobe.

SunshineSlayer 5th January 2009 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kikaru (Post 1768481)
I really hope I don't bring up another heated discussion (especially with the forum not really working that well) but apart from Angel's Song, which is basically confirmed, and that line in Over, is there any other suspicions even after the audio appears to be in sync?

Overall, I love this concert. Except for the weird fairy costume with the matching bathrobe.

I really wouldn't want to say since I basically got raked over the coals in other thread even though I hadn't really said anything wrong to begin with and I definitely don't want to go through that again. :) If others want to take a shot at it though, go ahead.

miskiq 5th January 2009 04:31 AM

anyway ayu seems excited when midoring turn to talk in the encore

so cute when ayu said kawaiii when midoring was talking...haha..;)

Arenia 5th January 2009 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1768464)
Okay, I guess she did then.

@ Arenia: I'm really sorry. But this is an issue that's related to the singer... it's just like how in a Pokemon forum people complain how the Battle Tower is imbalanced, or how in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum people complain about the dub, or how a Cristiano Ronaldo forum has people discussing about him playing cheats.

It's part and parcel of what this subject does, in this case Ayu. Don't get any of us wrong... I just think it's wrong to blindly love something and ignore every mistake/wrong thing that was made... I, for one, understand why she would do all these things, and I respect her for that.

I'm still very sorry for spoiling your mood.

yeah... i know and i understand too
but, this is NEWS topic right?? PCDL Information right???
i don't know the rules in here
but i'm a moderator in ayu's forum in my country
and it's forbbiden for us to talk about our thought in news topic,
because it's not yet confirm by ayu herself, not official
all of you can discuss this in chat room
that's what i meant
sorry for disrupting your discussion ;)

Tony G 5th January 2009 05:02 AM

The video is definitely out of sync with the audio, Ayu would not make such an ametuer mistake to mouth the words totally out of time for the entire song.

And she has lip synced in the past IMO, this is not the first time. She did two 3+ hour concerts, give her a break.

PrincessAyu 5th January 2009 10:25 AM

She did indeed say motsu in ANGEL'S SONG where it should have been mita. But, despite that, what a great setlist!! I'm upset she hasn't sung the songs she sang now a few years ago, when she could still sing as good as she did then.

Especially Over. Thank goodness for that song, it's so beautiful! And SCAR!!
Too bad it had to be so late.

+ yay for SIGNAL :D:D:D

How did the audience respond to a lot of old (+ never performed before) songs?? anyone know?

Melrose 5th January 2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 1768179)
She was singing for a really long time,
So that could explain the vibrato difference~
Like, she sang POWDER SNOW (which probably destroyed her vocal chords at that moment.. ahaha so high)
The HOPE or PAIN, OVER, and Scar, all back to back..
Omg thats so scary to actually think about it~ ahaha.
No breaks in between.

Oh, I didn't think about that.

But then everywhere nowhere has reaaaally smooth vibrato. ><..... Oh well lol.

@waterballoon: I checked it out again, and I hear Ayu singing watashi wyaaaa. I dunno what she's doing, but it sounds like wya instead of wa. xD

Jeremy911 5th January 2009 10:38 AM

It looked like she was in so much pain when she was removing the glove:(

noidea 5th January 2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luther10 (Post 1768359)
If I may ask, which of these are confirmed lip-sync performances??? And please, the ones YOU confirmed yourself don't count. You seem so PROUD to be the AYU-lipsync Inspector, and that make me sick...

I proved evolution AT07 and CDL0708, they used the same track to lipsynch on in both concerts/tours(except the first part where ayus in the air) somebody said its the track from AT06, but i dont have AT06 evolution, so i cant confirm that, but AT07 and CDL0708 are exactly the same after the first chorus

and recording new versions is just normal, many artist do it, some even say it in interviews(i think morning musume(not sure) once said they were going to studio before a tour to record the playbacktracks) and why would she have to remember new things? its a rerecording of the same song, its just done so it sounds like her current voice and not like 1998-i-catched-a-cold-and-had-it-for-5-years-ayu, also, these studio recordings are live-recordings, recorded in 1 or 2 takes, depending on if they were mistakes in them, recording the files for 2 or 3 songs will take a few hours and it wont cost much money(and ayu probably has a home studio, as well, where she doesnt need to pay anything)

njanjayrp 5th January 2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1768487)
I really wouldn't want to say since I basically got raked over the coals in other thread even though I hadn't really said anything wrong to begin with and I definitely don't want to go through that again. :) If others want to take a shot at it though, go ahead.

sorry if I was ever mean to you :( in the end you were just stating the obvious :)
even though i strongly want to believe that she didn't lip synced Over you did have a point :)


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