Lady Gaga vs. Ayumi Hamasaki... Who do you prefer?
 

Bahahaha I know they're two very different artists, but who cares :P ~! lmao choose your favourite artist and state your reason if you want to :P! Inspired from the britney vs. ayu thread LMAO XD,:innocent <You know who I stole this from probably :P>

I pick Lady Gaga because I really think her music is great and catchy lol. I like Ayu, but her recent works have let me down :( ~! While Lady Gaga has not let me down yet lol! I even like Fashion from Confessions of a Shopaholic (Which is a GREAT movie btw, a must see IMO :) ) Yes, maybe her music will go downhill later but for now I like her better than Ayu.

i prefer ayu~ but at first i thought this was gonna be a poker face vs. poker face poll XD

ayu of course.

Ayumi simply cuz Lady GaGa has no talent :P

If it were Poker Face vs poker face, I'm gonna go with Lady Gaga. :P

But I think this thread is a little pointless at this point of time. Cos Lady Gaga is still pretty new... at least Britney has been in the industry for quite a while, so a comparison is valid, but Lady Gaga... maybe I'll come back here a couple of years later~

I would give Lady GaGa some time to release more material before comparing... But surely would choose Ayu anyway

Uh Ayu. You see she has this thing called talent and she doesnt look like a man.

:laugh

:P

who knows.

Hmm, Lady GaGa needs more time to show if she's just a 'now thing' or if she has staying power.
So... I have no idea at this point.

I prefer Ayu because I don't know Lady Gaga well enough. She's very new, isn't she?

I'd chose Ayu, but it's a hard decision.

And, just so everyone knows, Gaga does have talent. She writes and composes her music =/... And she actually does have a really nice voice, especially in the ballads she has that are unreleased.

There's a lot about Lady Gaga that's really pretty inspiring, but it's not exactly what's readily available to nonfans

I only like LoveGame and Poker Face by Lady GaGa

I like a LOT by Ayu, plus her lyrics are more meaningful xD

how is being a total **** and talking about sex in every interview inspiring? i don't care if she writes and composes music because it's total crap. have you listened to her lyrics? they're trash. some of her songs are catchy but that's all she has.

Ayu.

Ayu, of course :P

lady gaga is the definition of TRASH. disgusting. i do not understand why she is always singing about sex, she is so ugly i doubt she's getting any.

i love ayumi.

Okay, woah, calm the **** down. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I was merely pointing out that she does have talent, even if you don't like what it sounds like. It's one thing to say "they have no talent" then to say "I don't like how they sound." Your opinion is the later.

don't you mean former :shrug

Why is a Koda Kumi fan complaining about someone singing about sex? x_x

okay. and i was pointing out that she doesn't, even if you like what it sounds like. :yes

actually most of her more sexual songs weren't even written by her and a lot of her lyrics talk about much more than that. koda kumi may be a sexual person but she doesn't go around talking about it in every interview to the point where it's annoying

Talent is fact, disliking how it sounds is opinion. So, saying someone has no talent has to be backed up by facts. Can she write lyrics? Yes. Can she compose? Yes. She's been playing the piano since she was four, she's been performing since she was 14, she designs her clothing. It takes TALENT to do those things, even if you don't like how it sounds

I don't like Lady Gaga... but she can compose, write lyrics and is a good vocalist... So, yeah, she is talented....

Never got what's people big problem with sex...

anybody can write lyrics, anybody can compose. anyone can design clothing with the right amount of attention focused to it. it doesn't mean they're good at it.

not everything koda kumi sings is about sex actually and this topic has nothing to do with her. i am not complaining, i just called her ugly :shrug

also i am sorry for misunderstanding you GRACE. i do not think she is talentless.

I read 3 or 4 interviews of Lady Gaga, no sex in any of them...
When she starts to grab her dancer's penises on her videos... then, we can talk...

This is a pointless question to ask to a biased forum ;/

No, they can't. There's a LOT more to composing then thinking of a tune. You have to have a really good understanding of music to be able to successfully compose. What you consider "good tunes" is not a measure of talent. It's a personal opinion. If she wasn't talented, then NO ONE would like her and she wouldn't have put out an album

http://community.livejournal.com/ohn...71.html#cutid1

at least when koda kumi does this, it's in a music video and at least looks clean

okay, i disagree.
so many untalented people in the US put out albums..
Hilary Duff, Miley Cyrus, so many untalented rappers that'll get a #1 singing about sex. only a handful of people on top of the billboard charts have real talent

Hahaha! Nice pics! =D
Still... these pics aren't being used to promote anything... Koda's sexual videos were...
I'm not starting a Koda-bashing-thing... I'm only wondering why is this right for Koda and wrong for Gaga... It's because Koda is japanese?

By the way... Miley Cyrus is a good vocalist and performer (considering she is only 16... the girl can be amazing in some years)

no. it's because koda has more to her than just her sexual image. lady gaga has yet to show much more of her. all she talks about are her sexcapades and how she signed some mans penis or how she had sex in the back of a taxi-cab.. how she used to be a stripper. and then she comes off as completely conceited and goes on about how she's a living legend and was born to be a star and how she saved pop music.

Have you ever seen JUICY? Yeah. Because ****ing a bottle was clean.

But how many of them are actually involved in their music and CAN SING? None. Lady Gaga can, and does.

Besides LoveGame, Summer Boy, Boys Boys Boys, and Poker Face NONE of her songs are about sex (And, some of those are a stretch, or include a side mention to it). And I don't know what interviews you've been seeing, but the ones I've been seeing have displayed a great deal of insight mixed with insanity that's really fascinating

koda kumi has a few songs about sex. she does not talk about it in her interviews, and she has never been caught about to lick some tranny's coochie in a club. she has done some vulgar things, but i think she pulls off sexy without looking trashy.

and humping a bottle totally compares to what lady gaga does on a daily basis.. lol. right.

it was cleaner than whatever lady GaGa was doing in that scene. gross.

i didn't say all of her songs were about sex, and believe me i've tried to like her and find just a bit of talent in her but can't. i've listened to all those songs you've mentioned and their lyrics are very weak.

but, now i understand her fans a bit more. you like her because you think she has talent which i can't comprehend.. and because she's insane.. great

Grabing side dancers penises on videos, simulating sex and oral sex with dancers on tours... That's ok?

"trasy" and "vulgar" are very relative things... There is not a definition of what's exactily vulgar and what's not... IMO Koda is VERY trashy... So is Gaga, but I don't see it as a bad thing....

By the way... the only reason why Koda doesn't talk about sex on her interviews is that a singer doing this on Japan would mean early retirement =)

And again, we're back to you don't like how she sounds. Which is perfectly cool, everyone has their own tastes. You just like nothing about her, and that's fine. But it doesn't make her "talentless"

that's really cool that you think koda kumi is trashy. unfortunately this topic is not called, "WHO IS MORE TRASHY: KODA KUMI OR LADY GAGA?" so i don't see why you're STILL bringing her up :shrug

not really

gaga vs ayu???
you have got to be kidding me! -,-

yes, it is fact that she is talentless.
i've backed up my statement by why she's talentless. this makes it a fact.

Well, I'm just asking why Koda can be trashy and why Gaga can't, because I think it's a little strange that there are (not you) people using this as a scientific proof that Gaga has no talent =)

Argh... sorry for my english... Today my english is worst than Namie's xD

It's like attack of the trolls in here. Yeah, talent is factual. You can be incredibly talented and people don't like you. Those people who don't like it will generally claim someone is untalented simply because they don't like what they're hearing

No you haven't, you've whined that she's a ****.

anyone can and compose/write songs if they try to do it GRACE.. it is just a MATTER of someone opinion if they liking it OR not . .in your opinion she is talented because yOu like the music she makes

other people don't, so to them she is not talented . .

talent is not fact , it is only your opinion . i hope you can get off of your high horse please GRACE!

Compose a song right now, and follow every rule of music.

Actually... if she is composing having as a objetive that people like and buy her music, and if people ARE buying her music... That means she is doing it right...

If she wanna do something and she can do this, she has talent to do this... Even if some people dislike it

i do not know the rule on music.

the so many people who buy lady gagas cd find her to be talented . it is their opinion , the amount of people that are sharing this opinion does not make it fact .

so lady gaga does ? it makes her a smart girl , not talented . i can learn if i cared to !! but your out of luck because i do not care so much. good bye.

no, i haven't. she's untalented for many other reasons..
she's a terrible model, her fashion is strange and not appealing at all, she is a horrible performer and songwriter.
okay? those have nothing to do with her being conceited or too sexual :yes

What make's her a horrible performer? She is a good vocalist, and not a bad dancer too...
Her fashion isn't meant to be used by people on every day life... They are stage outfits...

So... can't see your point here too... It's ok to not like her (I myself don't), but "talentless"?

And like I've been saying, that's your opinion and it's fine, but opinion is not the measure of fact. Because if it was, then wouldn't all those people who call Ayumi a talentless hack be right and we be the stupid fans who for no fathomable reason like her?

Talent is subjective, which makes it an opinion.
GRACE, you need to get a clue.

what you're saying here is that your opinion is fact, and mine isn't.
untrue. none of our opinions are facts. they are OPINIONS.

I never once stated my opinion was fact. I stated that Gaga was talented, which is not an opinion. What's my opinion on Gaga? I think she's batshit insane. I think that she's not fully living up to her talent by doing rather mainstreamish empty songs. But, then you have the stuff she did before she became "Gaga," the stuff she did at Stefani Germanotta, which really showcases her talent a lot better then her Gaga work

YES IT IS LOL
oh my god, it's useless now.

Yeah. He's not even worth it. I sincerely hope that he understands the difference between facts and opinions and just has too much pride to admit that he is wrong. People like him make me lose faith in humanity these days.

I can't talk about composing... but I can talk about her voice... she HAS vocal technique and is a good singer... not amazing, but she can sing better than most jpop singers (but this is not very hard), and I can talk about her fashion, and yeah... I don't like it, but is well done for what she wanna do with it... So, it's good, even if I deslike...

thinking someone is talented will never be a fact. i could go around telling everyone that soulja boy is talented, but how many people do you think are going to agree with me? but it's ok, they're wrong because i like him, so my opinion is fact!

Talent can be a fact when you measure it by what the person produces... But most people don't really acept that something they don't like can be good or at last, very well done

ayumi hamasaki

No, it cannot. Some people here come off as so uneducated. Thinking someone is talented is an opinion, never a fact.

If what a person do is technically perfect and people do like it, how can I say iit's bad cause I dislike it?

because..

it's your opinion!!

mindblowing ik

For example... I don't like Mariah Carrey... her voice get on my nerves... but she does sing good (better than "good" by the way) and lots of people love her music (she is one of the best selling female singers ever)

So... how can I say she is talentless? She DOES sing good taking in consideration vocal technique, even if I not like the way she does it and people DO love her music...

The same thing with Lady Gaga being "talentless"

Composing a song isn't just about thinking up a tune and viola! the song comes out. There are a lot of things to consider, like which scale the song is gonna be in, tempo changes, chords, harmonies, arrangement etc... it's not an easy job.

I ever watched Lady Gaga live once during the American Idol results, and she did some acoustic/piano version of Poker Face in the beginning of the song, and from there, at least I could really hear that this person CAN sing.

Though the pics that identity posted were honestly revolting... eew. But oh well, the songs are still good, and that's important for singers. :)

lmaooo


anyway i vote for ayu, i prefer her over gaga.

No, it's not. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines talent as "a special often creative or artistic aptitude." Therefore: to be untalented would mean to have no special creative or artistic aptitude. Gaga meets the standard definition of talent, having this aptitude and applying it to her music, her fashion, her performances. She can write lyrics, she has a great deal of clever lyrics, such as Poker Face's running metaphor. She's able to come up with catchy tunes, which is not an easy task to do. There is a lot of work that goes into composing, it's not this magically easy task everyone thinks it is.

and can she sing? THAT is where it gets subjective. The sound of her voice is pleasing to some, and not to others. That's the way it goes for every artist. But can she?



I think she can anyway. But that's not factored into my opinion on "is Lady Gaga talented?" What I'm focusing on is tangible, and objectively viewable. To compose a catchy song is talent. That's why the Disney pop generation is untalented. Do they have anything to do with their songs? No. They don't do the composing, and often time, don't do the lyric writing. The people behind them, who come up with the catchy music guaranteed to drive a generation of children wild, those people are talented.

Is "talent" a fact or an opinion? It's always a fact. Let us look at art.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...a/vvgstrnt.gif

Now, whether you like the painting or not, there isn't a way to deny that van Gogh was a talented artist. Why is it that talent is fact for art, and opinion for music? Is it because of what pleases and displeases our ears? But what pleases and displeases our ears is our opinions, not a judge of actual talent. When we look for talent, we have to look objectively.

When we look objectively at Lady Gaga what do we see? A girl with a decent voice, the ability to come up with catchy songs, and write a mixture of clever and subpar lyrics. If Gaga was untalented, going by the definition earlier, then she wouldn't be able to do any of those things. However, having said abilities puts her within the definition of "talent." So, whether you like her or not, she is talented.

But as I've said, beyond talent, there's like and dislike, and that much is opinion. I like Gaga, you dislike Gaga. Those are opinions. Gaga is talented, that's a fact.

And I know just that last line is going to be quoted and everything else I wrote will be ignored.

yes it will because even though i read most of your other stuff it's unnecessary and you're trying to get around the idea that you're wrong. her being talented will never be a fact. neither will famous artists being talented.

Wow, thanks for that informative essay! I'll read that right now. /sarcasm

Grace, all you've managed to prove here is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion... and that you care way too much about this argument. Just admit that you're wrong. You look foolish.
You've got too much free time on your hands, buddy.

Not really, you can measure if a person is a good or a bad singer... There IS a right way of singing, and knowing this prevents the artist from hurting his/her vocal chords with the max effect of his/her singing. If someone is going to like or not the voice or the way of singing, that is where it gets subjective =)

And yeah, Gaga have good vocal skills and knows how to use her voice...

So do you... You keep answering him... =)

If you actually read it, I made the point very clear that the accepted definition for talent is something that's measurable. Because it is.

Omg some of you guys are like ganging up against GRACE or something...

Well, Lady Gaga really can sing IMO... I mean it's useless to force each other's opinions down our throats... so what's the point of trying hard to talk about 'opinion' and 'fact'?

i agree with this :D im sorry to say but i hate lady gaga, everything about her i find very boring. her music is definiton of crap

alright, I'll be done now. I'm not even so much interested in proving Gaga's talented anymore, the reason I keep responding is because of the corrupted visions of what is fact and what is opinion going on in this thread...

I get that a lot on this site, it's nothing new :3

lol sorry but seriously. in your last post you said this:

'Therefore: to be untalented would mean to have no special creative or artistic aptitude. Gaga meets the standard definition of talent, having this aptitude and applying it to her music, her fashion, her performances.'

that is a ****ing opinion if i ever saw one. so yes. be done now and just accept the fact that you're wrong

Because Art has been dissected and talked about since the beginning of time...and music has always been something that was taken as subjective...

I actually don't mind Lady Gaga's songs...but I think her bio at last fm impresses me more than her actual music lol

I personally think that she can sing...but I think she's trying to hard to do all this crap with her voice...and it's soo annoying. I wish she would just...stop trying so hard with the voice, and the clothes, and the everything...

I think she is talented, and she doesn't need to do all that stuff...especially since none of it is original.

If the girl wasn't talented...she wouldn't be here right now...seriously.

But it is always an opinion...I mean there are probably a ton of people who don't think Ayu is talented. We hear it all the time, "She cant sing, she cant dance, she's plastic, etc..."

Doesn't matter if they are or not, when someone is popular enough to be talked about, then talk about them lol Don't spend time talking about whether they should or not...if you don't want to discuss, then go away.

There are other people who have valuable opinions that want to.

Having no would mean having no ability to do so, and, it exists does it not? Without even a fraction of talent, not a single one of her songs could exist, instead, they'd be the result of someone else's talent, not her own.

It is only if you have some set measurements or goals. There's no general definition for "good" or "bad", for "quality" or the related "talent". You cannot measure it unless you have something to measure it up against. Just like some dancers can be "talented", but talentless when it comes to classical ballet (which is very specific).

As the painting you presented fails terribly to the rules of f.ex. classical painting thus in this case making it a "bad" painting. However, as the artist got vry popular for various reasons and was considered to have created something new, this is now viewed as great art.

Problem in pop music is that the rules, or what you measure up against isen't clear. Sales and appearances may be one way, in which lady gaga succeeds.

please open art thread and we'll discuss, its silly to do it in gaga vs ayu thread, especially gaga part (thats a joke gaga fans)

I agree. You need something to measure it against in order for it to be considered fact. Such as, I am 165 cm tall. That's a fact because according to the metric system of measurement, I am 165 cm tall. Talent is usually judged on popular opinion.

One could say Lady Gaga is talented because she composes, dances and writes. One could also say, according to that statement, Ayu is not as talented as Gaga because she rarely composes, is not the best dancer and but writes all her lyrics. But that's only if you measure them against each other in specific categories with the same rules on both sides.

Lady Gaga only had 2 hits. Just Dance & Poker Face.
And those are the only ones I like of her.
The other songs of her album are boring.

Lady Gaga is overrated.

I do think she has talent though. But I bet if she wouldn't wear underwear in public and if she would be like this innocent girl she wouldn't be half as famous as she is now.

I agree with these statements. I think Lady Gaga has a good voice, and it's nice to see an artist have control over her songs by writing composing. However I think I'd like her better if she had a different image, but unfortunately she might not have become so well known if her image had been more "normal" for lack of a better word.

But to the topic:
However, naturally, I will pick Ayu! :P

I see some bashing... from nick: "brand new love" and it's confusing that mod didn't do anything...

Sorry, I go with Gaga... because she's the IT girl now... She did something different... and she's committed so much... I loved her when she's barely unrecognizable by anyone... But now... da*n she's BIG!

^ ahahaha I think its more than just brand new love lmao. Oh well what can we do :S ~! Always happens when a debate starts, but I think it is becoming the same people over and over lately lol. And yeah I know she really is the IT girl lol! I like her cuz of that though XD She's really like throwing herself in the scene lol I think it shows how she's really dedicated to her career, even if its with a trashy image. Reminds me of Ayu in her early days lol except ayu didn't use the trashy image lol. W.e. works if u ask me Lol!

Anyways I'm surprised some people are so bias against sexyness and dirtyness lol! XD ~! I think its a normal image lol! Oh well I guess thats depends on what the person prefers XD I'm just surprised some people can justify koda kumi for her actions and not lady gaga cuz its essentially the same thing. I personally feel that music video or real life, you're still doing the action XD Just my opinion anyways

@sparkle_glitter do you have to throw in insults and rude comments everytime you have a discussion. I don't see where you can come off saying that people make themselves look uneducated and things like that. You can debate and I really don't care, but stop being so rude to people.

Ayu ! of course !
Gaga's music's very catchy but her lyrics're..... ~~!

Such a ridiclious poll comparing a ****** and the empress of music...

Lady Gaga has no talent just good managers she just puts her cloths off nothing else

ayu!

ayu... but lady can sing~

ayu definitely. :yes

lady gaga because she is white like me and i can understand her :yes

my thoughts exactly.

:shrug ty for name dropping even though im not the only one calling her trash....

Ayu of course ! :D

maybe 50-50..or 80 for ayu - 20 for lady gaga?
i ♥ listen pokerface,summerboy and just dance~

I like both, Lady Gaga's songs are really catchy and I actually think she can sing. I have been listening to her way more than Ayu lately. However, I do like Ayu's songs just as much.

:roflmao :roflmao :roflmao

Ayu of cours cuz she is good song picker

but gaga can accept any lyrics who talk about "sex , money , chicken xD "

Gaga writes her lyrics just like Ayu does >.>...

So does ayu o_O "song picker"?

agreed :yes but you mean if she wore pants? she never seems to wear pants.. seriously, and her fashion stinks.. http://community.livejournal.com/ohn.../34374655.html
the comments on that post are hilarious~

She's stated that she doesn't like pants.

One thing I can agree with you on is that her fashion sense is incredibly hit and miss, with only one or two hits and SEVERAL HUNDRED misses. But, it's not an image. That's how she always dresses, that's kinda the scary part.