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ayu_fantasy 4th May 2009 07:24 PM

Jpop or Chinese music more influential in the world??
 
what do you people think??..... I personally dislike chinese music so much and feels that there's no substance in them.... and i prefer Jpop. :)

what are your general opinions??

PinkShinigami 4th May 2009 08:09 PM

Well.. Before I discovered Ayu (Who was my start of Jpop), I thought that Japanese were a wierd languages.. But in Jpop it's something totally different. And to be honest.. (Almost) Every other Asian language sounds way to wierd tome XD (No offence! XD)

Korean and Japanese is what I have heard much of. I have found some very talented Chinese singers once too.. But didn't like languages XD

noidea 4th May 2009 08:29 PM

I don't think chinese music is very influential, Japan is the second biggest music market in the world(after America) and theres J-Rock and Visual Kei concerts in Europe all the time, sometimes seeling out grand venues(X-Japan sold 20000 tickets in Paris for example) or on big, really well known festivals Dir en grey and others at Rock am Ring and Rock im Park in germany(alongside bands like Metallica), but I never heard of a single chinese band here, so it cant be that influential

fantasma3c 4th May 2009 11:07 PM

JPop
Chinese music is meeeeeeh ok i guess
But i see that Jpop is more popular
Well in my opinion
:D

emi♡ 4th May 2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 1928354)
I don't think chinese music is very influential, Japan is the second biggest music market in the world(after America) and theres J-Rock and Visual Kei concerts in Europe all the time, sometimes seeling out grand venues(X-Japan sold 20000 tickets in Paris for example) or on big, really well known festivals Dir en grey and others at Rock am Ring and Rock im Park in germany(alongside bands like Metallica), but I never heard of a single chinese band here, so it cant be that influential

Yeah.

I think even amongst like...some chinese people overseas, they don't even like chinese music because they feel that it's just bland and ordinary...

which is kinda how some of my chinese friends felt about alan...they said that there was nothing really special about her...that she could be replaced by any other chinese singer that sang in her style.

So I don't know...I really haven't been too exposed to chinese music...so...yeah.

PoetGirl 4th May 2009 11:15 PM

i love chinese music and i listen to it more than japanese, but i think

japanese is more influential cuz many japanese singers are under influence of american music so their kind of music is closer to western people and easier to accept. perfect example > namie amuro.

while chinese singers are mostly for chinese public itself, i rarely recognize some western influence. they have their own style and i love them for it.

pommy48 5th May 2009 12:26 AM

i love chinese music, but japanese music is more influential, seem like anime help people get interested in japan and they search for music~

while you don't really get interested about china, unless you're just thinking of the food, and in that case, you won't really want to try the music anyways

though i personally think many of the biggest stars in cpop come from taiwan~

cpop is rather generic, but once in a while, a really amazing album comes *o*

JackieRos 5th May 2009 12:41 AM

I like both I always loved Shunza, Kelly Chen, eVonne Hsu, Energy

I'm pretty open

Kazeyomi 5th May 2009 12:53 AM

I listen few chinese music.
Like: Jolin Tsai, Nan Quan Mama, Kelly Chen and Faye Wong.
Maybe the most famous is Faye Wong.
For Eyes of me for example.

BTW I prefer Jpop and Kpop :yes

AyUta 5th May 2009 02:39 AM

Idk, I don't like Chinese music because the music does lack substance. &then most of the time a lot of chinese ballads sound the same. Just...no emotion. The Japanese have so much though, they make a lot of their music sound great and so full of emotion and feeling.

pommy48 5th May 2009 03:54 AM

^ though i agree with some parts, i don't agree with the ballads, other than jolin, other artists actually have some pretty good ballads

i love the 90s though~ amazing classics there

waterballoon 5th May 2009 04:24 AM

Yeah C-Pop is :rolleyes really uninspiring, especially the ballads. Except for Fahrenheit. <3 Mo Mo!!!

chloeM 5th May 2009 05:40 AM

I like J-Pop better... because they write better lyrics... i've come by so many chinese songs, AND THEY JUST CAN'T SEEM TO STOP ON WRITING LYRICS ABOUT HOW COFFEE IS ONE SAD BEVERAGE~!

rookies 5th May 2009 06:05 AM

I certainly think Japanese music is more influential in the world than Chinese music. :)

AyUta 5th May 2009 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 1928961)
^ though i agree with some parts, i don't agree with the ballads, other than jolin, other artists actually have some pretty good ballads

i love the 90s though~ amazing classics there

That's true, I just haven't listened to too much. I guess I shouldn't have posted that without listening to many more artists other than Jolin and some others. Idk, I'm just through with CPOP x_x Jolin will forever stay in my book though <3

mcluva420 5th May 2009 07:52 AM

musically, jpop is more influential.
it sounds better and its a million times more popular. the whole world crazes over jpn pop culture xD
in terms of chinese music, the pop is kinda bad. i love ballads! sorry, but THEYRE more emotional than the jpn at times :P

...
cpop is like dominated by hongkong celebs and taiwanese singers O__O

PoetGirl 5th May 2009 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mcluva420 (Post 1929229)
cpop is like dominated by hongkong celebs and taiwanese singers O__O

yeah, i noticed that too. i found myself listenin more hong kong music than chinese or taiwanese lately

rookies 5th May 2009 09:27 AM

Btw, shouldn't this thread be in the asian chat section?

Since the General music chat is more geared towards non-asian music discussions, hmm...

zyoeru 5th May 2009 10:20 AM

Japanese music. The only Chinese artists I know are: Faye Wong, alan, and there's another, she covered Ai Otsuka's Momo no Hanabira Cyndi something. XD

But other than those I don't know any others.

rookies 5th May 2009 10:35 AM

^ It was Cyndi Wang who covered that Ai Otsuka song. :yes

zyoeru 5th May 2009 10:53 AM

^ That's the one! She also covered a Rimi Natsukawa song. :)

ayu_fantasy 5th May 2009 10:58 AM

Wow, thanks for all the opinion....

I have a friend who told me that Cpop is more influential and recognise in the world.... And she used to say jpop sucks like crazy.... especially ayumi hamasaki....

I have nothing against that... But i myself think that Cpop lacked substance and quality. How could they be so influential in the world? No offence.

ayu_fantasy 5th May 2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Furashubakku (Post 1929432)
^ That's the one! She also covered a Rimi Natsukawa song. :)

There's alot of chinese singers covering Rimi natsukawa songs too...

Joi chua, a singaporean chinese singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnIzXVMnd1Y#

Fish leong, a malaysia chinese singer and i think there's more....

LacusClyne 5th May 2009 12:57 PM

it depends on the country, if you are talking about Asia, Cpop is the king/queen. Afterall, most chinese listens to cpop more then jpop.

but i prefer the 90's cpop, more substance and longer lasting. My fav are Coco Lee, Jimmy Lin and Jolin, and the first 2 belongs to the 90's

ayu_fantasy 5th May 2009 05:42 PM

I mean the world... Not just a particular region, because different continents have different preference of music. But as a whole, cetain genre can be more influential than another. Coco lee, Elva Hsiao are not too bad... There's substance in their music...

As for Jolin Tsai, not exactly sure why is she even called "the dancing Queen" when her dance moves are not even half of BoA's standard.
There's nothing got to do with the ayuJolin thing, but Jolin alone just don't have the substance.

zyoeru 6th May 2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 1929441)
There's alot of chinese singers covering Rimi natsukawa songs too...

Joi chua, a singaporean chinese singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnIzXVMnd1Y#

Fish leong, a malaysia chinese singer and i think there's more....

I like that! Chinese is really pretty. But there's just not enough artists which I can listen to and think "Wow, amazing!"
I like Jolin Tsai a little. But another thing is, I like to know what I'm listening to, and as I'm learning Japanese j-music is easier for me to listen to. But c-music makes me wanna learn Chinese. XD

njanjayrp 6th May 2009 10:28 PM

JPOP, I am not into Chinese music :)

TeeMo 7th May 2009 01:31 AM

J-Pop is much better than C-Pop... And of course J-pop is more influential.:)

Ayumiko 7th May 2009 02:12 AM

I'm chinese and I don't like chinese music. I hear them a lot on the radio and tv...the songs are really boring...mostly ballads, mid tempo songs or cover songs. Most of the time the lyrics sucks...no substance and lack quality. HK artists like all share the same few composers and lyricists. There are a few singers that can actually sing and have talent but overall Jpop is better for variety and quality.

Yum!Fruit_Salad! 7th May 2009 04:41 AM

J-Pop. You never really hear of a Chinese artist/band being invited to an anime convention or asked to join on a big tour like Warped Tour or Family Values or just touring by themselves. A lot of people who listen Asian music listen to J-Pop more than C-Pop, even K-Pop more than C-Pop.

mimi.chan 7th May 2009 05:11 AM

I love JPop more but I love CPop too... my fav. Cpop artists are Nicholas Teo, JJ Lin, BY2 etc...:P

pommy48 7th May 2009 06:47 AM

^ :luv2 BY2

but also about the anime conventions~ anime is mostly for japan anyways

ayumixfan 7th May 2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 1928532)
Yeah.

I think even amongst like...some chinese people overseas, they don't even like chinese music because they feel that it's just bland and ordinary...

which is kinda how some of my chinese friends felt about alan...they said that there was nothing really special about her...that she could be replaced by any other chinese singer that sang in her style.

So I don't know...I really haven't been too exposed to chinese music...so...yeah.

^ I am one of those people that agree with ur friends haha. She may have a voice, but she can easily be replaced. Her style is very ordinary and often done in c-pop. I really think she should change styles and be more unique because she probably can do it.

I think its obvious Jpop is more influential around the world, but C-pop has its points too haha. I think C-pop is very underrated because its really nice, it just lacks variety if you compare it to the US and japanese industries.

AyumiBest 7th May 2009 11:13 AM

I used to REALLY like chinese music but after listening to one more chinese album I didn't like it anymore and Ayu took me to the land of J-pop.
I listen to C-pop every now and then but I only listen to the classics like Teresa Teng and Faye Wong. So I think J-pop is more influential.

mcluva420 8th May 2009 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ayumixfan (Post 1931971)
^ I am one of those people that agree with ur friends haha. She may have a voice, but she can easily be replaced. Her style is very ordinary and often done in c-pop. I really think she should change styles and be more unique because she probably can do it.

I think its obvious Jpop is more influential around the world, but C-pop has its points too haha. I think C-pop is very underrated because its really nice, it just lacks variety if you compare it to the US and japanese industries.

my DAD agrees too O__O
the unique thing is.. how many cpop singers can wail AND graduate from some extremely competitive music academy, being totally pro at the erhu? shes a very unique musician. i dont really see much c-pop singers playing a stringed instrument for their official songs and singing.. once she writes more music, she'll be even more unique :yes

cosmeticmusic 11th May 2009 03:04 AM

All of you saying C-Pop is uninspiring and lifeless obviously haven't listened to Faye Wong. Have you heard her 90s albums?! AMAZING!

*Petit* 11th May 2009 09:19 AM

Whether or not certain singers are "uninspired" or bad doesen't really matter. I think it's pretty safe to say that japan has the most influence on the rest of the far east asian continent both for historical and economical reasons. The country has been the strongest economical force in the area basically since the MEJI restoration.

Wasen't alan the first chinese citizen to get a daily number one on the oricon recently?

pommy48 12th May 2009 06:01 AM

^ yeah, she broke faye wong's record

mcluva420 12th May 2009 07:03 AM

^WOOO!!! go alan! :luv2

keikeiaznqueen 12th May 2009 11:55 AM

In terms of the WORLD, then it's definitely Japanese music. No doubt in that. :P Just Ayu alone has a larger scope than any Chinese pop artist I know in her generation.

However, if you're speaking quantitatively, as in, in terms of how many followers or fans they have in total, I have to say that because China has such a large population, some Chinese musicians are really influential just in China alone. :P There's no real need for them to expand their target audience really.

And the points about mainstream Chinese music being bland and uninspired isn't exactly false. XD There's no real Ayu equivalent in Cpop, a musician that bears his or her soul in their lyrics! Just doesn't exist. IMO, everything feels really fake here, and the mainstream artists only go famous for a while and then fail afterwards. This doesn't apply to everyone as obviously there are some pretty classic artists here like Faye Wong and Teresa Teng... and hmm, Roman Tam, Sam Hui, etc etc. They're all part of the "oldies" though, except Faye Wong, haha.

Even if we're including Taiwan-pop into the equation (which is still Cpop I guess) I still hold my opinion. :P

rusuke 12th May 2009 12:06 PM

Jpop is indeed influencial. I started liking Jpop world in late 90's with ZARD, Ozaki Yutaka, Seiko Matsuda etc. when I still haven't discovered ayu. I also like some Cpop and Kpop but I think Jpop really stand out because they managed to have their own name after US pop.

CaseNumber:825 12th May 2009 02:19 PM

I, personally, much prefer Japanese music
Most of my music library is Japanese

Nevertheless, there are some C-pop artists I like (and Hong Kong/Taiwanese if we're being technical)
Some of my favourites are Jolin Tsai, A-mei, Elva Hsaio, Kary Ng, Stefanie Sun, Karen Mok, Twins and S.H.E

But I do agree that J-pop is so much more influential.

evolution7931 12th May 2009 10:56 PM

Probably Chinese

ayumixfan 13th May 2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Donovon - Bozu (Post 1936459)
All of you saying C-Pop is uninspiring and lifeless obviously haven't listened to Faye Wong. Have you heard her 90s albums?! AMAZING!

agreed! lol! or Teresa Tang : ) ~! C-pop is very underrated unfortunately : (

pommy48 14th May 2009 12:25 AM

^ yeah totally, though now some of the music is getting superficial because people mostly only know jolin who usually you hear singing about something not very meaningful~

the 90s were definitely the best! the music was simpler, but the lyrics and vocals were amazing

JackieRos 14th May 2009 01:26 AM

I just discovered Jolin Tsai she's very good
oh i also love alan (her tibetan wail is awesome!)

i still think jpop is more influential hello many songs are used for anime
and japanese singers are releasing american releases

Fair Wind 21st May 2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by keikeiaznqueen (Post 1938370)

And the points about mainstream Chinese music being bland and uninspired isn't exactly false. XD There's no real Ayu equivalent in Cpop, a musician that bears his or her soul in their lyrics! Just doesn't exist. IMO, everything feels really fake here, and the mainstream artists only go famous for a while and then fail afterwards. This doesn't apply to everyone as obviously there are some pretty classic artists here like Faye Wong and Teresa Teng... and hmm, Roman Tam, Sam Hui, etc etc. They're all part of the "oldies" though, except Faye Wong, haha.

I HIGHLY disagree with this statement. If anything, most Cpop singers have more stability in their market whereas in Japan many singers are one hit wonders just because their song was for a drama, anime or movie. Many mainstream artists have kept up their popularity/remained in the public eye for years such as Leehom, Jolin, Jay Chou and several several more.

I believe is Japanese music is more influential as even Cpop is influenced by it. With that said, I prefer Chinese music because Jpop has bored me except for a few artists and releases.


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