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Neko★munication 20th June 2009 04:35 AM

Kinda interesting theory on "my name's WOMEN" title.
 
While reading Hamlet this year, one soliloquy kind of stood out to me and reminded me of Ayu (...I actually wrote "Ayu! my name's WOMEN!" in the book, but don't tell my teacher :innocent). I won't post the whole thing, but there's one key line:

"Let me not think on't—Frailty, thy name is woman!— "

Everyone's always been baffled by the engrishyness of my name's WOMEN. Now, it's kind of out-there to believe that Ayu read Hamlet (in english, on top of it all) and thought "WHOA this is a totally symbolic title for my next song!", but you never know. Plus it's kind of interesting to think about - "Frailty, thy name is woman", and the song is all about how women aren't frail or weak. It's an interesting bit of irony that I could see Ayu using, to name her song my name's WOMEN (since women = frailty, and ayu = WOMEN, ayu = frail, which is the irony since the song is about the exact opposite).

Just a little observation that I thought was kinda interesting. :innocent

waterballoon 20th June 2009 04:40 AM

Nice find... I suppose she could have read Hamlet or watched a play of it or something... but she would have named the song "thy name's woman"... I guess she added her own thoughts into the title as well...

Like how women is plural; it gives the impression that she's representing all women with the song... and yeah similar content to the one in Hamlet.

P.S: Naughty girl! You'll have some explaining to do if your teacher sees that! XD

NintendoHTF1242 20th June 2009 04:41 AM

I read "Catcher In The Rye" and there is a part where Phoebe, the main characters sister, tries to reach a gold ring while riding a carasoul (they used to do that back then, but kids kept falling off or something. So they stopped) and the lyrics in "Catcher In The Light"
*If you only look
You will never get it

If you only look
It will never be yours*

Reminded me of that too xD Seeing as how that's from a book to

emi♡ 20th June 2009 04:45 AM

It's a coincidence. The opposite of what Ayu sings about is a concept that has been around forever.

So naturally, it would fit in with a lot of other stuff in literature, music, culture etc.

I actually really wish that Ayu read Hamlet and derived the name from it lol, but knowing her...I'd bet my life she just came up with it because of the things associated with the word woman and being a woman.

waterballoon 20th June 2009 04:49 AM

She must have read these Shakespeare novels... otherwise where did she get the idea of sappy love stories in her tours? :P

Honestly speaking, I think Ayu is busier watching Heroes or something :innocent though if she came up a PV/something similar to the 12th night it'll be so awesome!

AyUta 20th June 2009 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1988200)

Like how women is plural; it gives the impression that she's representing all women with the song... and yeah similar content to the one in Hamlet.

Yeah, she is representing all women. :yes That's like, one of my favorite songs from her, love the lyrics!
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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 1988211)
It's a coincidence. The opposite of what Ayu sings about is a concept that has been around forever.

So naturally, it would fit in with a lot of other stuff.

I actually really wish that Ayu read Hamlet and derived the name from it lol, but knowing her...I'd bet my life she just came up with it because of the things associated with the word woman and being a woman.

I thought the same. Coincidence.

Andrenekoi 20th June 2009 05:27 AM

Isn't the name like this cuz it's like "I am taking in the name of all women in the world"?

There is nothing wrong with the tittle...

zyoeru 20th June 2009 05:37 AM

I think it's likely that she's read Hamlet to be honest...I remember my friend, Kaori, talking about she was studying Shakespeare in school when she was younger. :P

Ayu is a lot more intelligent than people credit her for. XD

Neko★munication 20th June 2009 05:59 AM

I'm aware that it's most likely a coincidence, but we'll never know for sure, so it's interesting speculation. :innocent

cosmeticmusic 20th June 2009 07:23 AM

This is intriguing. I wonder what her other sources for quick inspiration and titles are from...

rookies 20th June 2009 07:29 AM

That's very interesting to read about. *__*

chloeM 20th June 2009 07:30 AM

nice find~

Aisha_Angel 20th June 2009 07:36 AM

I've always considered the song title to be Ayu's very own "I'm Every Woman" (Chaka Khan)-type song.

But now that you mention this...It sounds much more accurate than my theory.

mcluva420 20th June 2009 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1988215)
She must have read these Shakespeare novels... otherwise where did she get the idea of sappy love stories in her tours? :P

:roflmao

Quote:

Honestly speaking, I think Ayu is busier watching Heroes or something :innocent though if she came up a PV/something similar to the 12th night it'll be so awesome!
or american idol :rolleyes

keikeiaznqueen 20th June 2009 09:25 AM

Nice find! Drawing parallels between Ayu's ideas and other sources of art such as literature reminds me of... well, studying literature at school. :P The crazy concepts people come up with about how the writers arrive at their ideas. XDD

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Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242 (Post 1988201)
I read "Catcher In The Rye" and there is a part where Phoebe, the main characters sister, tries to reach a gold ring while riding a carasoul (they used to do that back then, but kids kept falling off or something. So they stopped) and the lyrics in "Catcher In The Light"
*If you only look
You will never get it

If you only look
It will never be yours*

Reminded me of that too xD Seeing as how that's from a book to

I never drew the link between the title Catcher in the rye with Catcher in the light before. It IS the same wording. :P That's kinda cool. Maybe Ayu liked the title of the book? A "Catcher in the..." phrase isn't all that common.

HTMSD 20th June 2009 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242 (Post 1988201)
I read "Catcher In The Rye" and there is a part where Phoebe, the main characters sister, tries to reach a gold ring while riding a carasoul (they used to do that back then, but kids kept falling off or something. So they stopped) and the lyrics in "Catcher In The Light"
*If you only look
You will never get it

If you only look
It will never be yours*

Reminded me of that too xD Seeing as how that's from a book to

Wow, it's interesting theory i've ever heard :)
I never know there are books called The Catcher in the Rye!
Thanks for this information!

freedreamer 20th June 2009 02:23 PM

Romeo & Juliet in AT05???? HAPPY ENDING??? heh

Hachimitsu 20th June 2009 02:30 PM

I thought 'My name's women' was supposed to mean that Ayu wanted to speak on behalf of women. She acts like a spokesperson for women who have to face people saying things like "Weapons are a woman's tears", so Ayu tells them 'We don't cry easily" etc.

SolarAngel 20th June 2009 02:39 PM

It could definitely have been one of ayu's inspirations though not very likely lol! I was thinking it was more of a sisterhood thing but that's an interesting explanation.

yoshino 24th June 2009 04:14 AM

wow.. tat's really interestin that Ayu wld read Shakespeare's and stuff.. oh my...I'm gonna love Ayu much more!

kendelle 24th June 2009 04:33 AM

Hey, there's no reason why it's not true! Have any Japanese speakers read hamlet in Japanese? How does the translation go in that version? I had always thought that the title referred to Ayu speaking "as all women" in the world.

I like how the Hamlet phrase is the opposite of what mnW is all about :yes

lol, you should have seen some of the stuff I scribbled in my books in high school :roflmao

freedreamer 24th June 2009 04:56 AM

hahah she may hae been inspired in some point of time...MY STORY feels very roman and shakespearean ahahha..(keeps thinking of HAPPY ENDING)

C+R+E+AYUMI 24th June 2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Neko★munication (Post 1988194)
"Let me not think on't—Frailty, thy name is woman!— "


nice link Neko! i didn't remember that sentence! :rolleyes

taskinillusion 30th June 2009 03:28 AM

:yes Interesting!! I just always assumed she got it from the saying "I am woman, hear me roar!" :laugh

octocoffee 30th June 2009 05:10 AM

That's a pretty cool theory. And it could work.

Since the line from Shakespeare is from a male's perspective, it makes sense that Ayu, a woman, would reply to it as "my name's WOMEN"! It'd be really cool if that was actually why she titled it like that. Oh, I wish we knew for sure...


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