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StarSUCKER 27th November 2009 06:44 PM

Moments PV...clearing something up.
 
So I want to see people's opinion on this...the Moments PV...

That scene where Ayu is lying on the ground...a lot of people think that's blood. I wasn't sure what was going on myself at first, but I'm pretty sure after watching a few times that she's being tarred and feathered. Albeit sloppily.

What does everyone think? I really don't think it's blood at all.

*Petit* 27th November 2009 07:18 PM

It never crossed my min that it could be blood. O.o It's tar.

AyaCere 27th November 2009 07:24 PM

Yeah, but if it's really blood, ths substance would be red and not black.
The idea of being tarred feathered seems logical.

Picaflor 7/4 27th November 2009 07:26 PM

?
Quote:

Originally Posted by zyoeru (Post 2161981)
^ I read that the director said the black paint is blood, but they didn't want it to have an adult rating.


StarSUCKER 27th November 2009 07:28 PM

^ Can that be cited? If so, I would stand corrected.

Still doesn't explain the feathers though. Maybe her position as incapacitated on the ground would suggest some sort of injury, but it's still tar...

Picaflor 7/4 27th November 2009 07:34 PM

^lol or before she died she decided to take out a few birds.

NintendoHTF1242 27th November 2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Picaflor 7/4 (Post 2169278)
or before she died she decided to take out a few birds.

omg <3 You're amazing

~Saru 27th November 2009 07:56 PM

I thought it would interlink with the lyrics?
"If I could flutter like a bird
I would fly to you
And offer my wing
To your wounded back"

Like she gives that person her wing, hense the feathers and blood. Like the wing has been torn from her back to help that person. So they both have a wing each.

zyoeru 27th November 2009 08:04 PM

I don't remember which member of the forum said it, but he quoted a Japanese article that had been translated. :P

spanishfan 27th November 2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Saru (Post 2169301)
I thought it would interlink with the lyrics?
"If I could flutter like a bird
I would fly to you
And offer my wing
To your wounded back"

Like she gives that person her wing, hense the feathers and blood. Like the wing has been torn from her back to help that person. So they both have a wing each.

That's what I think.

mcluva420 27th November 2009 11:14 PM

hmm i thought it was blood, that scene was kinda disturbing though @_@

dreamland2.0 27th November 2009 11:31 PM

I always thought she was being tarred and feathered!
It would be interesting if it was supposed to be blood though!

AyUta 28th November 2009 12:22 AM

It's tar and feathers....?

Delirium-Zer0 28th November 2009 06:06 AM

I've always considered it tarring & feathering, no other possibilities ever crossed my mind.

If anyone can find the interview that was cited, with the blood comment, that'd be interesting, and it would kinda make sense with the lyrics. It could very well be that they changed the concept to tarring & feathering (which would be really interesting, and would be a very profound display of Ayu thinking of the song's subject as being above her) as a result of switching the color of the liquid around her.

alternarist 28th November 2009 04:08 PM

thats for sure not blood. but was ayu trying to use that to represent blood???

a_kingdom21 29th November 2009 12:22 AM

i always connect ayu pv with the song lyric to make it clears..

i guess it describe about the shattered dream that pierced in her heart...
that's my opinion..
hahaha..

dawnss 29th November 2009 03:11 AM

Saru your interpertation makes sense. If anyone knows what tarring and feathering means in Japanese society than do please share, because I can not view an Easterns artist's music through a Western lens. However, with that being said, the idea of tarring and feathering, for me atleast, goes back to the American Revolution when the US citizens would tar and feather those deemed as tories, or traitors to the American cause. So please excuse me if I am not to keen on the whole tarring and feathering idea, because I do not feel any stong sense of betrayal in this song. I do not mean to offend anyone but I just like to know where certain phrases or ideas originate. Great ideas!

Delirium-Zer0 29th November 2009 05:00 AM

In modern times the term "tarring & feathering" has become synonymous with punishment or humiliation. If someone says they've been "tarred & feathered", colloquially, that means they've been made to feel small or weak or embarrassed, as though they messed something up, and now they feel beneath those around them.

In the context of "Moments," this would come across as Ayu putting herself "beneath" the subject of the song, feeling as though she is powerless to help them as much as she longs to, and that she deserves punishment for this weakness.

The lyrics do reflect this to some degree; that there is only so much Ayu can do to relieve the subject's pain, and she feels guilty about it. The pain in his heart is pain in hers; but even if she gave him the wings off her back, she only has one set of wings to give. Even if she blooms as a flower by his side, she can only bloom once before dying. Even if she approches him, he has thorns around him that prevent her from ever touching him. There's a tinge of guilt & remorse to these lyrics, and Ayu might feel she must be punished, tarred & feathered, for her human limitations.

Keep in mind, this is ALL conjecture, I have no idea if this was the intention or not.

Crystal_Ageha 29th November 2009 06:21 AM

I had heard before, also, that it is blood, but the colour was changed for the ratings... Sorry. I can't quote, though.

dawnss 30th November 2009 03:27 AM

Don't take this the wrong way Delirium-Zero, but I heart you, jk lol. No seriously though, great post. Like I said in my post, and you also said, there is a slight bit of remorse present in the song.

taskinillusion 30th November 2009 05:27 AM

I always thought it was tar and not blood, but I can see how if it was supposed to be blood, it better connects with the lyrics.

PinkShinigami 30th November 2009 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelenk0 (Post 2169247)
I wasn't sure what was going on myself at first, but I'm pretty sure after watching a few times that she's being tarred and feathered

That's what I've thought from the beginning :yes

JinHamasaki 30th November 2009 08:27 AM

i posted something about the article...*searches* but I think it was blood

JinHamasaki 30th November 2009 08:32 AM

ta-da!

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Originally Posted by JinHamasaki (Post 483021)
The official "Moments" synopsis.

*In this PV you might realize that the make-up on the white dress Ayumi's face a little weird because the make-up artist doing this to show Ayumi be crying on the bed for sometime and a little pale.

The opening of this PV you could see Ayumi is sleeping on her bed. While sleeping there is some flash of herself lying in a pool of blood of a dark place and the flower doll's room. When she had opened her eyes the door is opened for her which lure her out to see what's out there. She got up from her bed and lighted up a torch to guide her through the darkness of her house. Ayumi is doing this because she's in a darkness that she couldn't depend on herself much.

After lighted up the torch she walked out of her room to check what's going wrong. While walking there is some flash back where she's sleeping in her bed. I guess you had thought of it. She's actually dreaming. Back to where we were, hlaf way through the walking Ayumi stoped and stare at the door. Those kids that will appear later on in this PV should be sleeping in this room or making some noise from this room that used to be, but it didn't. Let's put it this way that all those little kids represent a Ayumi's lover. She knew that they're not here and kept on looking for them. Then she pass by another door which had bird singing sound coming out and she could feel it's not them.
As you know if you truly love someone for very long and deep you could feel the presense of that person. She could sense that herself in danger too, but she thought if she didn't open that door which had the sound of birds singing. She could run away from it. That's why she wrote " Your naked heart is wandering, having nowhere to go. Your surrounding growing sharp thorns around for fear of being touched."

You must be wondering why didn't she open and couldn't sense other doors that she had walked pass. This is because Ayumi place her love before anything else and even herself. She's getting near to a door which she felt the presense of her lover which is those little naughty kids. In this room showing those little kids playing with dolls and a doll's room which looked like the room that Ayumi is sleeping in the opening. Those little kids also got surround by many beautiful flowers. Those flowers is actually Ayumi herself. In the lyric of " Moments " Ayumi wrote " If my life transient like a flower. I would be a full bloom by your side and after watching your smile. I would
fall alone, just quietly. " Those little kids that's playing around with dolls had torn one of the dolls body apart. This is also mean that Ayumi is the dolls too. Let's put it this way that i'm your doll and you could whatever you want to me and i would be glad to do whatever you want as long as you'll treasure me, but the wrost nightmare is that you'll destroy me and left me behide when you're tired of me. Those kids suddenly turn into big wood dolls. That meaning no matter how a good-looking a person could they're just builded up of bones. Instead of showing bones they turn it into big wood dolls.

The doll is spoiled and the fun of those little kids had came to an end and they run out of the room without finding someway to fix back the doll and started looking for something new and fun to play with till they're tired of it. This show that how human sometime play with love. Starting of it you'll learn to treasure that someone and spent money and love and time on that person, but when you're tired of that person you'll pelt that person away without caring how that person truly felt. Those little kids had found Ayumi's bedroom and they started to play with it. As you can see Ayumi is lying in a pool of blood in a dark place. I had realized that many people had been wondering what's that liquid thing. Is it oil? Or is it blood? Well... It's actually both. We had chosen to use black oil mixed with a little crimson color to make it look a little like blood. They're doing this because they fear that this PV will get violent rating. Ayumi always believed that Angel's wings is made of human hope, wish and dream. Those little kids that torn the doll's body apart like they had tear off Ayumi's wings. That's also why she wrote " The broken pieces of your dream sticks on to my chest. Leaving the pain that I'll never forget. " After those little kids is tired of playing in Ayumi's bedroom they simply leave and Ayumi is suffering in her own agony alone and the mess they left behind..."


I have the article on one of my hard drives...somewhere. But I got it from someone else. Here's the original thread: http://ahsforum.com/forum/showthread...hlight=moments Although to say the least, Ayu has not confirmed this or anything. I got this from someone else's post (forgot who) who got it from someone else that was supposed to work on the PV or something...

Nukaru 30th November 2009 11:55 AM

If you keep in mind, that Ayus 'Moments' video would become high rated if she used red blood, which would result in Moments being played late at night, I think it's only for marketing purposes to make red blood black.
That's what the americans do to get a lesser rating for a show.

JinHamasaki 30th November 2009 03:23 PM

I would argue that once blood dries and coagulates it does turn black...

Crystal_Ageha 30th November 2009 06:54 PM

^ That's true. I don't think they were thinking that in-depth about it though, hah.

Delirium-Zer0 30th November 2009 09:37 PM

Wow, does no one have a source for this article at all? :( Magazine? Website? maybe was it a PV shoot report from TA or ayu's official site? I hate not knowing where something came from >_<!!!!

Larien 1st December 2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 2170722)
In modern times the term "tarring & feathering" has become synonymous with punishment or humiliation. If someone says they've been "tarred & feathered", colloquially, that means they've been made to feel small or weak or embarrassed, as though they messed something up, and now they feel beneath those around them.

In the context of "Moments," this would come across as Ayu putting herself "beneath" the subject of the song, feeling as though she is powerless to help them as much as she longs to, and that she deserves punishment for this weakness.

The lyrics do reflect this to some degree; that there is only so much Ayu can do to relieve the subject's pain, and she feels guilty about it. The pain in his heart is pain in hers; but even if she gave him the wings off her back, she only has one set of wings to give. Even if she blooms as a flower by his side, she can only bloom once before dying. Even if she approches him, he has thorns around him that prevent her from ever touching him. There's a tinge of guilt & remorse to these lyrics, and Ayu might feel she must be punished, tarred & feathered, for her human limitations.

Keep in mind, this is ALL conjecture, I have no idea if this was the intention or not.

I think it's also that the tar keeps her from moving - it's thick and sticky and incapacitating, and can represent whatever unspoken bar it is keeping her from giving her all to the person in question (I feel it's likely the person him/herself).

But anywho, I'm in agreement with previous posts - I never even considered that it be blood. I always thought of it as tar, though in actuality they probably used craploads of molasses, or something. :P

ストロボ・EdGE 1st December 2009 02:52 AM

I had never really understood this PV at all but at least now I get part of it.

I've always liked this specific scene but I'd never really given much thought to it... never even noticed that it was tar she was covered in. Just that gives it so much more depth, it implies so much as in what Delirum commented.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larien (Post 2172132)
I always thought of it as tar, though in actuality they probably used craploads of molasses, or something. :P

(lol) Yeah, of course they didn't use real tar on Ayu's skin (...which is probably insured...) ( :laugh ).

JinHamasaki 1st December 2009 03:12 AM

I don't think it's tar. I mean if u you watch some of the live TV performances of Moments, she has trees "bleed".

It wouldn't make sense if the trees were oozing tar...at least to me.

Ah, here it is!

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/4964768/..._Music_Station

Meat Pao 1st December 2009 04:44 AM

Roflmao I never think about something too deeply so I always take it as chocolate.

yoshino 1st December 2009 07:47 AM

wow..thanks for sharing the article u've found.. Interesting read! I didn't thought that the substance was in fact blood that they want to represent. This all make sense to me now.. but so much blood??!! hahaz.
I like the wings/feathers part they mentioned.. Reminds me of Endless sorrow. =)
I'm so loving this pv now.. ♥


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