The Official BILLBOARD thread of "You were..." / "BALLAD"
 

I noticed we have reccochoku thread, and Oricon thread, but no billboard thread.

Anyway, on the week ending 1/4/10, "You were..." debuted on the BILLBOARD CHARTS

WEEK 1
Hot 100: #63
Hot 100 (Airplay): #58

sources | billboard japan

Significant difference from Oricon and Recochaku...

because her sales week hadn't begun yet by the time the last week began. (well, it wasn't counted at that point). So right now it's charting ONLY on airplay. net week, when sales are included, it will shoot up the chart, likely to #1 or #2. I just wish they'd include digital sales huh ...

PAST SINGLES PEAKS:

Mirrocle World: #2
Days: #1
Rule: #1
NEXT LEVEL: #89
Sunrise: #2

I thought it would go up in the top TnT

I don't understand Billboard, if it doesn't include digital sales, what's its purpose?

Hot100 is digital sales, which Hot 100 (Airplay) is radio airplay... I think. That's how the US one runs, anyway.

These don't include physical sales, and of course these are low because of the New Years holiday.

She'll probably place higher next week. She's usually #1 or #2 after a new release.

In America, the Hot 100 has many compnents actually. Airplay, Physical Sales, Digital Sales, Streaming.

Japanese Hot 100 only has two: Physical Sales and Airplay. I'm hoping they start to include digital sales ...... >.< it'd make the charts more accurate

i swear if billboard becomes the most accurate chart, every record thus far will have accounted for nothing. i wish they would just collaborate and compile a completely accurate chart up to this point '-___-

well if Oricon would become a little more proactive, we'd never have to change from an "Oricon" era to a "Billboard" era but, Oricon really isn't doing much. I guess they figure nobody will leave them.

Like how myspace kept sucking, and they figured it wouldn't ter, but then everyone went to facebook ...

The billboard charts are more interesting imo. :D

The majority haven't changed from a "Oricon" era to a "Billboard" era. :)

In Japan, there isn't any reason to pass to billboard.
The contrary, 99% of the people in Japan trust oricon and it has the highest reputation among those sites.
Oricon is also known as the most accurate since it counts most stores in Japan.
The only thing oricon doesn't do is counting digital sales, but then I'm not sure if the billboard is really accurate too (since even RIAJ or companies and recochoku would be more reliable for how a song did digitally). That's why I think the Japanese won't shift into Billboard, for them (and for me) oricon is a way better indicator and more accurate. For digital sales, recochoku and RIAJ are the best methods I would say. That's why the combo of oricon, RIAJ and recochoku own billboard each. =P
Therefore they see no reason to shift into billboard, and imo they are right.
The popularity giver indicator probably will always be oricon (until physical sales are dead for good anyway) and recochoku and RIAJ since they are the most accurate and they count most/all of the things. It's just that each one does something different.
Oricon - physical sales
recochoku - overall digital songs and PVs ranking according to digital sales from most websites.
RIAJ - Certificating a CD and a song if it passed a mark (like gold, platinum, million).

I don't really see a point of Billboard in Japan either, but then again I never saw a point of Microsoft releasing XBOX which was using the components you can find in an average PC xD

I'm saying, Billboard could EASILY be the best, if it tried. It seems to be making a bigger effort than Oricon, though, who's doing absolutely nothing.

It's almost pathetic how amazing ridiculously uncaring Japanese charts are towards being proavtively accurate.

It's sad.

But where ARE charts accurate? Here in the US, all common sale-tracking methods are corrupt and/or misleading.

Yeah, US charts can definitely be misleading and are sometimes exaggerated. Japanese charts don't factor in enough information and are set up kinda odd. I only know a little about other charts, but not enough to say anything about them.... But I'm sure they also have a decent amount of flaws. It sucks, but that's how it is, I guess. :shrug Honestly, if ORICON starts to count digital sales, I think they'd easily be my favourite chart. But, in their defence, it's hard--make that impossible, to have a perfect chart, or to always have it consistent, even.

yes, it's imposssible to have a perfect chart.

But honestly, I don't think that the American charts or corrupt or misleading at all.

Physical sales are not that dead in Japan yet. They still have first press releases and goodies for albums as well as singles. There's no need to factor in digital sales with physical sales yet. All three of the Japanese charts do their job as best as they can. Billboard isn't going to offer anything new besides airplay.

^ um.. Physical Sales ARE dead.


Digital sales DESTROY physical sales.

Thelma's Soba ni Iru ne sold what, 600,000-700,000 copies, which is a ridiculous amount by today's standards. With Digital sales, it sold over 8,000,000 ringtones and fullsongs.

If they were that dead, boy bands wouldn't be selling them like crazy still. Nobody would be selling them. Yeah, digital sales are more alive than physical. But that doesn't mean major artists are struggling to sell a copy of their single. It's not like in the U.S. were physical singles are pretty much non-existent. I still have yet to see one in a store to be honest.

^ But boybands are a whoooooole!~ other story, lol!! ;) (You can only truly understand the power of such boys if you've ever been a true, diehard fangirl..... Unfortunately, I have, and I know the evil that seethes out of such innocent young males! :weep)

I personally welcome Billboard. The more sources you have, the more accurate the overall picture becomes. There are sometimes some very interesting sales figure discrepancies between what Oricon reports and what Billboard reports.

Yeah but the fact is it still sells.

But anyway I honestly don't mind the billboards being the new thing it just has to build up its credibility.

billboard is fun!
they rely on airplay and sales (physical/digital).
but some other charts under billboard only counts airlpay... or digital sales... they have so much subcharts. but for japan 100, it think its airplay and sales. i think theres also a 2 week combo for the start of the billboard year.. im not sure. hehehe.

Which doesn't mean the physical sales are dead (who ever has given you that info lied to you...). Face the fact that Billboard means nothing to Japanese artists and record labels and it will most likely never get the status Oricon has. Counting airplay is pretty stupid as if something can easily be manipulated by record labels it's the radio and TV airplay ^^

I agree. Plus in my opinion, airplay doesn't really assess who is popular, but who is popular at the moment. I don't think it's fair to count it along with physical and digital sales. If billboard wants to do a separate chart for that, that's fine.

I think it's better to have separate charts, it will be much more precise than any combined chart that will have to be weighted by the company presenting it. I don't understand people complaining about oricon not including digital sales when they have other charts for that readily available. It's not oricon's fault that so many people turn to them for info. In that respect I think billboard is pretty worthless, however like sunshine slayer said it's always better to have more sources to choose from.

You were.... jumps to #14 on the Hot 100 and #43 on the Hot Top Airplay charts. New appearance on Hot Single Sales at #4 under Fukuyama, C-ute, and the 9mm group. (#10 for BALLAD / You were...) That's rather inaccurate considering that the two week total for You were... / BALLAD was way more than the total for those. I guess they chose not to count her first week at all! Separating the two single versions doesn't seem like it'd make that much a difference anyway...

She also appears on the Adult Contemporary Airplay chart at #27, after being at #51 last week.

There are a LOT of foreign artists in this chart, and since Miley Cyrus is in the top 5 Hot 100, I don't know if I want to take it too seriously, haha.

I love how everyone assumes that billboard will NEVER EVER overtake Oricon.

I'm glad I go to a forum where everyone is psychic and can see the future to tell me that Oricon will never fall ever for the rest of eternity <3

^ If it does, we'll probably have grandchildren before it happens LOL j/k.

I don't think anyone saying that at all. But it's highly unlikely that Billboard will take over (they don't even show exact numbers and so on). Could you imagine some other company overthrowing Billboard here in the US?

Like people have said before, physical sales aren't DEAD. Yes, they're overshadowed (immensely, sometimes), by digital sales, but numbers are too high for them to be considered dead. Last year, total physical single sales in the US combined to 2 million. In a country with 300 million inhabitants. In Japan, physical singles sold a combined 55 million, in a country with 130 million inhabitants.

I think that says it all XD

Oh I don't think that necessarily billboard won't take over oricon, I'm just not seeing it happening soon. xD

Well and where did we know the sales and digital downloads from?
Not from billboard of course. =P

Well those physical sales specially for singles are actually great.

And still even if the number is huge for digital downloads I still don't think that they worth, at least not more than Physical sales from two reasons.

1. The artist/company don't earn half of what they earn for selling a physical copy.
2. Digital sales show how popular a song is and not how popular an artist is.
There are many artists who sold well digitally and not physically and after 1-2 songs they stopped doing well digitally as well. So just because sometimes there are huge digital numbers it's not necessarily a wow for the artist (sometimes it is of course), but it's more of a wow to the specific song.

Ayumi got cheated out of a good position on the hot 100 because they skipped last week. (maybe this is sorta THEIR double week? idk)

Hot 100: #14
Hot 100 Sales: #4
Hot 100 Airplay: #43

It's not dead.
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I don't think Billboard will take over Oricon soon.

^ I just wish Recochoku, Oricon and Billboard would combine to form an all-encompassing chart :/