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Chu-Lip506 4th March 2010 09:13 PM

Ayu Rumors: Official Chat Thread V
 
i find this some where, its a rumor of her new album track list
(who knows if its real?)
you guy decided....

01. Circus
02. Sexy little things
03. Microphone
04. MIND
05. dead moon
06. BALLAD
07. player
08. Don’t look back
09. Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~
10. timetable
11. Rock’n'Roll Time
12. Flame out
13. You were…
14. Bracelet
15. Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~

source from ayubrasil.com

sorry if this been post~~~~~~

njanjayrp 4th March 2010 09:16 PM

We already "decided" it's not. We already have a General Rumors thread :)

Keiichi_JPU 4th March 2010 09:17 PM

It's good that you're keeping an eye out, but this was already posted a long time ago in the official Rumors thread! :)

All rumors should be posted there. It's right here in the chat-room, at the top (since it's a sticky thread)

But it's okay a mod will move it for you!

(About the tracklist: it's probably fake)

Chu-Lip506 4th March 2010 09:21 PM

mods please delete this thread


my bad~~~sorry everyone TT_TT

ohsixthirty 4th March 2010 09:37 PM

hey, i appreciate the effort! :)

everlastingRAINBOW 4th March 2010 10:00 PM

I really hope "Flame out" turns out to be a track, it'll be her gayest song title to date!

appears 4th March 2010 10:37 PM

^ lmao!!

AyUta 5th March 2010 12:16 AM

"player?" Nuh-uh lol.

Max_ZZZ 5th March 2010 06:24 AM

Ayu Rumors: Official Chat Thread V
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 2239507)
This is the 4th Official Ayu Rumors thread.

As always, the purpose of this thread is to discuss all rumors or unconfirmed news/speculation about Ayumi Hamasaki.
It is important to post these things here and not in the News section, to keep things as organized as possible and prevent confusion between rumors and actual news.

So to clarify again:
  • Please post anything that isn't official in this thread. Topics posted in the News section that belong here WILL be moved here.
  • Please be as respectful as possible. While constructive debating is fine, there needs to be a considerable regard for proper behavior and politeness. Any form of spamming, flaming, or just plain rudeness will result in posts being trashed or deleted. See AHS Forum Etiquette.
  • When posting new rumors, please include a source if at all possible.

Thanks. :)

ok eddddit. now this just a normal rumours thread LOL! album info has been announced, everyone can stop festering here haha

Max_ZZZ 5th March 2010 06:27 AM

well ya, I feel the same way as a lot of people

14 tracks for the past 3 albums? 4 interludes from the past two, a cycle that definitely needs breaking
and i'm so happy the album i'm most anxious for is the one to do it!

and yaaa I pray the album is Circus, and ya ya it`s been done but I`m sure ayu would give the theme a circus so it`s w/e. ugh rock nroll circus is so cliche and sort of makes me think "oh an album for rock and roll" soooo limited, even if it's not i hate getting that impression

well, FINGERS CROSSED! i wonder how the whole tour before the album thing will come off...

SunshineSlayer 5th March 2010 06:38 AM

I hope that "circus" isn't anywhere in the title. Whether its Circus or Rock n' Roll Circus doesn't really matter because both are bad. Circus is overused very recently, Rock n' Roll Circus sounds cheesy and both sound impersonal and unAyu-like. Aside from the title though, I'm more excited for this album than I was for Next Level. I still don't like the title Next Level either now that I think about it, haha.

Lady_Eowyn 5th March 2010 06:45 AM

^ i disagree. I think Rock n roll circus is an awesome title. I actually don't mind if it has been used before because i don't listen to pop music. :) hahahaha...


i think that the album will be on stores on april 14... because of the tour. till official news are available we can have fun with the rumours :roflmao

Zeke. 5th March 2010 06:48 AM

and the sound of rumors shattering can be heard...
so calming...

xLuna&1LOVE 5th March 2010 08:50 AM

Hmm. I thought the Sunrise/Sunset single was not on the album
So it's fake, I guess

YuriChan 5th March 2010 09:22 AM

^But the official site said that Sunrise/Sunset will be included. O.o

~StarCatcher~ 5th March 2010 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2264618)
Hmm. I thought the Sunrise/Sunset single was not on the album
So it's fake, I guess

Sure it will be included it was one of the 2 singles from this album era!
And it's confirmed ;-)

I think the tracklist may turn out to be true?!?!

thinkingoutloud89 5th March 2010 09:51 AM

So, this follows NL pattern
when was that tracklist posted?

njanjayrp 5th March 2010 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2264375)
I hope that "circus" isn't anywhere in the title. Whether its Circus or Rock n' Roll Circus doesn't really matter because both are bad. Circus is overused very recently, Rock n' Roll Circus sounds cheesy and both sound impersonal and unAyu-like. Aside from the title though, I'm more excited for this album than I was for Next Level. I still don't like the title Next Level either now that I think about it, haha.

Which could be a good thing as it's something that she hasn't really done. Her previous album titles usually described either something abstract or some kind of "a feeling/emotion" - in other words it was rarely something you could see or visualize.

I am ok with the title, it sounds messy and in a weird pop way kinda artistic. In the end the title of an album was imo never important.

truehappiness 5th March 2010 10:58 AM

...shouldn't these be created by moderators? -blinks-

Oh well... looks like all of those rumors have been proved wrong.

thinkingoutloud89 5th March 2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkey_D_Ruffy16 (Post 2264700)
So, this follows NL pattern
when was that tracklist posted?

never mind found it

13th Feburary NL announced
3rd March tracklist + last cover

thinkingoutloud89 5th March 2010 12:24 PM

if its true, than player has to be the Lollipop song

Picaflor 7/4 5th March 2010 01:57 PM

Rumor thread. hm.

I hear a strange rumor that ayu is making a new album called "Rock 'n' Roll Circus". It has songs called "You were..." "Ballad" and "Sunrise ~Love is All~".

Scandelous, I know. >> <<
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady_Eowyn (Post 2264394)
I actually don't mind if it has been used before because i don't listen to pop music. :) hahahaha...

Hello! What do you think ayu is? lol

ohsixthirty 5th March 2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkey_D_Ruffy16 (Post 2264905)
never mind found it

13th Feburary NL announced
3rd March tracklist + last cover

So probably a two week wait.

I'll never make it till April 14th!!!

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 5th March 2010 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Picaflor 7/4 (Post 2265040)
Rumor thread. hm.

I hear a strange rumor that ayu is making a new album called "Rock 'n' Roll Circus". It has songs called "You were..." "Ballad" and "Sunrise ~Love is All~".

Scandelous, I know. >> <<


Hello! What do you think ayu is? lol

thats what I was thinking! lol


the trend of 4567890759 interludes needs to be broken.
I don't think it will because she stated how she liked the transitions in NEXT LEVEL. I'm so scared :(

ohsixthirty 5th March 2010 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippon (Post 2265163)
thats what I was thinking! lol


the trend of 4567890759 interludes needs to be broken.
I don't think it will because she stated how she liked the transitions in NEXT LEVEL. I'm so scared :(

i actually like the interludes and i wouldn't mind them as much if she just stuck one or two more full length songs on there.

njanjayrp 5th March 2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippon (Post 2265163)
thats what I was thinking! lol


the trend of 3-4 interludes needs to be broken.
I don't think it will because she stated how she liked the transitions in NEXT LEVEL. I'm so scared :(

It's easy to get lost in the numbers, yet everyone who has ever listened to STEP you should be able to count to 4 :rolleyes

Not~Yet 5th March 2010 03:39 PM

The hate for interludes is really unnecessary.. It's not like if there wasn't interludes there would be "real" songs in their place. Interludes just make the other songs into a well-flowing whole imo. Plus I personally love most of her interludes... Music doesn't have to last for over 3 mins or have vocals to be great. :yes

ohsixthirty 5th March 2010 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not~Yet (Post 2265202)
Music doesn't have to last for over 3 mins or have vocals to be great. :yes

i agree with you!

Keiichi_JPU 5th March 2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not~Yet (Post 2265202)
The hate for interludes is really unnecessary.. It's not like if there wasn't interludes there would be "real" songs in their place. Interludes just make the other songs into a well-flowing whole imo. Plus I personally love most of her interludes... Music doesn't have to last for over 3 mins or have vocals to be great. :yes

Amen to that, sista'

Most of her interludes are literaly quite amazing, like Kaleidoscope, Takinst, Labyrinth, The Judgement Day etc

njanjayrp 5th March 2010 04:22 PM

^ indeed, even though I generally prefer the ones with the vocals like not yet, Mirror, Catcher in the Light, reBIRTH and Bridge to the sky as they are fun to sing a long.

aura~ 5th March 2010 04:25 PM

I think the problem is not with interludes itself.. but the fact that for having interludes there's less FULL songs.. I'm oke with interludes... But I don't want to have only 6-7 new songs... 8-9 would be the best +4 from singles 13+3 (intro+2 inter) 16...

a standard japanese album is about 12 songs right? it's like a trick: oh! there's 13 tracks!, but no!, 3 are interludes so in reality are 10... that's the problem...

freedreamer 5th March 2010 04:45 PM

PHAIL. 14 tracks

noidea 5th March 2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walking.proud (Post 2265318)
I think the problem is not with interludes itself.. but the fact that for having interludes there's less FULL songs..

Come back when you notice your mistake


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippon (Post 2265163)
thats what I was thinking! lol


the trend of 4567890759 interludes needs to be broken.
I don't think it will because she stated how she liked the transitions in NEXT LEVEL. I'm so scared :(

NL IMO had her best transitions, they worked perfectly well, all of them.

GRACE 5th March 2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noidea (Post 2265390)
Come back when you notice your mistake




NL IMO had her best transitions, they worked perfectly well, all of them.

I agree with this except Pieces of SEVEN -> Days. It didn't work at ALL. (though I <3 Pieces of SEVEN, it's one of my favorite interludes)

aura~ 5th March 2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noidea (Post 2265390)
Come back when you notice your mistake

sorry... but it seems like I'm not really clever and I don't see my mistake... LOL

noidea 5th March 2010 05:45 PM

^ If Ayu decides to not do interludes that does NOT mean we get full songs instead, it means we get the same number of full songs but less interludes in between, it only shortens the album and worsens the flow in the end.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2265447)
I agree with this except Pieces of SEVEN -> Days. It didn't work at ALL. (though I <3 Pieces of SEVEN, it's one of my favorite interludes)

LOVE 'n' HATE - Pieces of SEVEN - Days was the best part of all the album, the transition didn't work musically, but it wasn't supposed to work, these 3 songs tell a story, might be the story of her past relationship(the number 7 is very prominent in the first two songs and the Days music video as a time where something bad happens/something changes completely(...-6-7-zero in LnH, when counting the different parts of PoS you will notice that towards 7 it get's noisier(more and more problems in a relationship), in Days PV she dreams of a perfect day waking up at 6 and lives a horrible day waking up at 8(something bad happens inbetween, at seven)), her relationship with Nagase lasted 7 years and ended suddenly and both full songs talk about relationships that are impossible(for whatever reasons)) or some completely different story, but they do, because the full songs tell exactly the same from a different point of view and are obviously linked with their meanings

njanjayrp 5th March 2010 05:52 PM

^ agreed. Pieces of SEVEN is one of the best and the messiest (in a positive way) transitions, I loved it~

aura~ 5th March 2010 05:54 PM

^
^but what I mean is what I said after that sentence.. if they talk about an album of 14 songs, they are lying with Ayu...

when for UNIVERSE (koda) they said, hey, it's coming a 15 track new album, and we GOT 14 full song album+1intro with lyrics. For Past<future, they said, hey.. it's coming a 12 track album, we got 12 FULL songs...

with ayu they say: you'll get a 14 track album, and we get 11 full songs...

that's what I'm saying...

noidea 5th March 2010 06:07 PM

They are songs, per definition they even are full songs, it's just many people don't seem to understand just what a song is so they expect ~4-5 minute songs with vocals, I don't care, I think her interludes at times are better than her long songs, TJD beats glitter every day.
There are albums with more than 20 songs, just some are only a few seconds in lenght, yet they are song so calling GUILTY a 10 or 11 song album would be totally wrong.

aura~ 5th March 2010 06:16 PM

^yeah I know, I love her interludes, I like them, but I would like a 14 full songs and then 3 interludes hehe Now we just expect it.. but with GUILTY it was a BIG shock I think, Secret still was OK... but 3 interlude with intro was too much for a 14 track album XD

Tom Punks 5th March 2010 07:58 PM

People don't like albums watered down with interludes. Get over it.

You aren't going to make people like the fact that 1/3 of her last two albums were interludes, so just stop wasting your time.

thinkingoutloud89 5th March 2010 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2265642)
People don't like albums watered down with interludes. Get over it.

You aren't going to make people like the fact that 1/3 of her last two albums were interludes, so just stop wasting your time.


you are right
I like her interludes and I don´t want them to be replaced but interludes are normally there to give you a break in a long album

so she either does a 12 track album with no interludes or and 16-18 track album with 2-3 interludes
but not 14 tracks with 4 interludes
thats just stupid

njanjayrp 5th March 2010 08:14 PM

@Tom - yeah, but that doesn't make the albums bad ^^

noidea 5th March 2010 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2265664)
@Tom - yeah, but that doesn't make the albums bad ^^

Many people are so angry for few songs that they hate on the interludes, hell, I'm used to rock and metal albums with 8-12 songs, it's normal for me to get that lenght, dunno why people complain about ~40-50 minutes of music on an album.

JackieRos 5th March 2010 09:28 PM

I sometimes love the interludes better than some other songs:innocent

ok now we can't make any rumors of the album tittle but
we can still make rumors of the leftover tracklist

who's first?

amorphose 5th March 2010 10:51 PM

The only reason I'm even a tiny bit happy that the album only has 14 tracks is that it means this isn't the tracklist. All those titles are awful. x.x

non3ko 5th March 2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 2265351)
PHAIL. 14 tracks

:yes

TITANIC 6th March 2010 02:34 AM

Hate all those rumour tracklists

TITANIC 6th March 2010 02:36 AM

if all interludes were good like all in NEXT LEVEL I would not mind

extepan 6th March 2010 05:25 AM

i think it's fake fake fake!

zoomzoom 6th March 2010 11:42 PM

Ayu Rumors: Official Chat Thread V
 
This is the 5th Official Ayu Rumors thread.

As always, the purpose of this thread is to discuss all rumors or unconfirmed news/speculation about Ayumi Hamasaki.
It is important to post these things here and not in the News section, to keep things as organized as possible and prevent confusion between rumors and actual news.

So to clarify again:
  • Please post anything that isn't official in this thread. Topics posted in the News section that belong here WILL be moved here.
  • Please be as respectful as possible. While constructive debating is fine, there needs to be a considerable regard for proper behavior and politeness. Any form of spamming, flaming, or just plain rudeness will result in posts being trashed or deleted. See AHS Forum Etiquette.
  • When posting new rumors, please include a source if at all possible.

Thanks. :)

GRACE 6th March 2010 11:44 PM

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98980

truehappiness 6th March 2010 11:44 PM

Yay, we can merge the other one with this one.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 7th March 2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2265642)
People don't like albums watered down with interludes. Get over it.

You aren't going to make people like the fact that 1/3 of her last two albums were interludes, so just stop wasting your time.

THIS.

Duty transitioned EXTREMELY well with just an intro, and LOVEppears was the same (I actually noticed how "Interlude" from that album worked- LOVE~refrain~ and monochrome did'nt flow). But say, GUILTY had Mirror, which I'm almost certain was made into a full song, and the very useless prelude to Marionette. Next Level now, if the song after the title track hadn't beenm there, i think it would be good, and Pieces of Seven (if we dont count the meaning) could've been placed to transition to the "rock" section./

chloeM 10th March 2010 04:40 PM

weird things~~

Ayumi27 10th March 2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippon (Post 2268436)
THIS.

Duty transitioned EXTREMELY well with just an intro, and LOVEppears was the same (I actually noticed how "Interlude" from that album worked- LOVE~refrain~ and monochrome did'nt flow). But say, GUILTY had Mirror, which I'm almost certain was made into a full song, and the very useless prelude to Marionette. Next Level now, if the song after the title track hadn't beenm there, i think it would be good, and Pieces of Seven (if we dont count the meaning) could've been placed to transition to the "rock" section./

100% agreed...
I'd tolerate many interludes in very lengthy albums like MY STORY or experimental ones (RAINBOW), but not 3-4 every single time :rolleyes

Still, it'd be wiser to wait until release before judging anything

truehappiness 10th March 2010 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2265642)
Ayu likes to water down her albums with interludes. Get over it.

....is what I'd like to say, but it was kind of already said. Haha. I wonder if she places interludes in when she feels as though she's not able to make enough songs (GUILTY/NEXT LEVEL as opposed to (miss)understood... which also had a boatload of singles)

So the interludes become "placeholders" for the full tracks that possibly could've been? -blinks- Just saying a possibility rather than the "wut ayu iz so lazii"-standard answer for when interluders are brought up.

GRACE 10th March 2010 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2271937)
....is what I'd like to say, but it was kind of already said. Haha. I wonder if she places interludes in when she feels as though she's not able to make enough songs (GUILTY/NEXT LEVEL as opposed to (miss)understood... which also had a boatload of singles)

So the interludes become "placeholders" for the full tracks that possibly could've been? -blinks- Just saying a possibility rather than the "wut ayu iz so lazii"-standard answer for when interluders are brought up.

that actually ADDS to the "ayu is so lazy" answer...

primavera♥ 11th March 2010 02:19 AM

ah well it doesnt matter to me . i just want a tracklist *sighs*

i love ayu interludes (although many may not). i do need then. like if they are good (which to me they have been) then i really dont mind. . .i really dont expet a lot of albums to be super long lately or anything. . .idk maybe its just what i listen to *shrugs*

truehappiness 11th March 2010 02:31 AM

Quote:

that actually ADDS to the "ayu is so lazy" answer...
Being lazy and not having enough time to complete full tracks are completely different things imo.

If she had the time, I think she would've done more full tracks, but it's rather obvious that after (miss)understood, all the albums have been made in a really quick manner [not a lazy one.]

Say someone gave you 12 hours or less to create an piece of art [music, a dress, something creative.] and you wanted to do something big. You would not be able to execute it perfectly compared to if you had 24 hours or more... if you get what I'm saying, you should understand that laziness is not the same thing as trying to get something done quickly when you have time constraints. I'm not sure if this makes sense, but basically, Ayu could've done more, but there's a pretty strict schedule. See reality shows that involve creative spirits like Top Chef / Project Runway for things like this, except apply that concept to an album and increase the amount of time.

I would say that Rock'n'Roll Circus is the first time in a while where she hasn't really abided by a super strict deadline and is instead finishing things as she pleases. It's a good thing though. (Spending 3+ months instead of 2 or waaaaay less.)

I'm sorry that you think Ayu is being lazy by constantly working for the past 3 months, but I feel that she is working her BUTT off and even though the previous albums had 4 interludes, she was STILL working her tail off given the amount of time she had to complete the albums. Secret had only 3 or so weeks to complete another half of the album, GUILTY was done after some sort of "writer's block" or something with Ayu finished 5 songs' lyrics in one day, and NEXT LEVEL was done in a pretty quick manner between Days/GREEN -> mid-February for about 2 months.

It really pains me to see when people say Ayu is being lazy when she's practically working nearly ALL YEAR. -crazyface-

Schedules for end of 2008-2010:
10~11/2008 - Work on COUNTDOWN LIVE, record new singles
12/2008 - release and promote new single, perform at COUNTDOWN LIVE, announce tour
01/2009 - Work on ARENA TOUR, work on new single/album
02/2009 - release Rule/Sparkle, promote minimally while also working on ARENA TOUR, work on new album
03/2009 - release NEXT LEVEL at end of month, also promoting and working on ARENA TOUR
04~07/2009 - ARENA TOUR begins and runs for a few months, work on new single for August
08~09/2009 - release Sunrise/Sunset and promote, do a-nation '09, corrections for ARENA TOUR
10/2009 - ARENA TOUR finale, and work on new single, come up with concepts for COUNTDOWN LIVE
11~12/2009 - work on new single, work on COUNTDOWN LIVE, perform at COUNTDOWN LIVE, release new single, promote new single as well
01/2010 - Work on ARENA TOUR, work on new album
02/2010 - Work on ARENA TOUR, work on new album
03/2010 - Work on ARENA TOUR, work on new album
04~-07/2010 - ARENA TOUR begins, Rock'n'Roll Circus releases and promotion
[?]08~09/2010 - a-nation '10[?], along with new single?
[?]10~11/2010 - new single release[?]... planning for COUNTDOWN LIVE.. etc...

GRACE 11th March 2010 02:46 AM

I don't think Ayu's been lazy at ALL with Rock 'n' Roll Circus. I think NEXT LEVEL was an INCREDIBLY half assed and lazy effort, and so was Sunrise/Sunset really. They were soooo bellow her standard, so thrown together at the last minute, it was so obvious.

This time she definitely has been working her ass off, she's got a new spark starting with You were.../BALLAD that's only grown into a forest fire of creativity for R'n'RC

truehappiness 11th March 2010 02:53 AM

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I think NEXT LEVEL was an INCREDIBLY half assed and lazy effort, and so was Sunrise/Sunset really. They were soooo bellow her standard, so thrown together at the last minute, it was so obvious.
Well, that's what you think. And not what actually happened. -shrug-

There are people who feel that NEXT LEVEL and Sunrise are some of her best work in a while... aren't you kind of offending them by saying things like that? I know that people all have their own opinions about things, but I don't think there's a necessity to shove them in others' faces as though they are the truth, or at least, presenting them as though they are the truth when they aren't. Some people hate I am... and LOVEppears. Does that make them not great or something? It really depends on the way you look at the situation.

All that saying the album/single sounded halfarsed and lazy to you says about you is that you really probably don't know how much work goes into something even though you dislike it. Though really, someone like Heidi Montag probably spent like an hour recording her album, but she doesn't count. I think it's rude to say things like that... it'd be like saying that Ayu didn't spend any time working on AT09, when she did spend hours and hours rehearsing for it. You don't know the first thing about what goes into a show (even a small one!) if you say something like that. -blinks-

GRACE 11th March 2010 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2272137)
Well, that's what you think. And not what actually happened. -shrug-

There are people who feel that NEXT LEVEL and Sunrise are some of her best work in a while... aren't you kind of offending them by saying things like that?

I really don't know why people think that, it's not really true. NEXT LEVEL was a good album, but as an Ayu album it wasn't anything amazing. The most memorable tracks were the singles, the album tracks sorta fade away. Sunrise was okay, but it was ruined by it's arrangement and the verses. Sunset I wish didn't exist.... It's my opinion, at the very least. But I'm not blind enough a stan to think that NEXT LEVEL was anything but half assed.

primavera♥ 11th March 2010 02:57 AM

^^ yeah really. i liked Sunrise a lot. its actually stayed stuck in my head
and i think NL was fine. (key words "i think" or "imo")

for me im kinda offended as when peopls say that i feel i have inferior taste. oh well. over it

looking to the future. which is seemign pretty bright ^__~

GRACE 11th March 2010 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2272137)
All that saying the album/single sounded half assed and lazy to you says about you is that you really probably don't know how much work goes into something even though you dislike it. Though really, someone like Heidi Montag probably spent like an hour recording her album, but she doesn't count. I think it's rude to say things like that... it'd be like saying that Ayu didn't spend any time working on AT09, when she did spend hours and hours rehearsing for it. You don't know the first thing about what goes into a show (even a small one!) if you say something like that. -blinks-

Okay, why are you mentioning **** like Heidi Montag? Seriously, why do you mention irrelevant crap like that when you're trying to defend Ayu? You come across as a ridiculous stan. Based on the work we're seeing for R'n'RC, compared to the amount of work that went into NEXT LEVEL, it's totally obvious that Ayu half assed out an album because avex said "hey Ayu, make an album for the fiscal year" and she said "sure why not, I'm bored"

And I never mentioned the work that went into a tour, don't you DARE put words in my mouth.

truehappiness 11th March 2010 03:02 AM

Quote:

I really don't know why people think that, it's not really true. NEXT LEVEL was a good album, but as an Ayu album it wasn't anything amazing. The most memorable tracks were the singles, the album tracks sorta fade away. Sunrise was okay, but it was ruined by it's arrangement and the verses. Sunset I wish didn't exist.... It's my opinion, at the very least. But I'm not blind enough a stan to think that NEXT LEVEL was anything but half assed.
I would say that NEXT LEVEL was muddled and scrambled up for an Ayu album, which usually have perfection across the board when it comes to arrangements and etc. but this was already explained by Ayu to be because she was having fun with the album and that there were so many options for her in terms of song choice and arrangement that she just did whatever she felt was nice at the time, or whatever, and it showed.

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But I'm not blind enough a stan
I would say that the use of the words "blind" and "stan" make me question your opinion outright, because I don't really take anyone who uses those words seriously, especially when someone is talking in a NOT-blind manner. I'm sorry that my opinion doesn't line up with your views of how terrible Sunrise/NEXT LEVEL were, but I feel that it is offensive and rude to people when they are called "blind" or "stans" for standing up for what they believe it. It'd just be as applicable for me to call people who dislike Sunrise/NEXT LEVEL for idiotic reasons like being "rushed/lazy" stupid fans-who-hate-stans. But do you see me actually saying that? No.

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You come across as a ridiculous stan.
You come across as a bitter person who doesn't know what he's talking about, but that's just me. I don't know what it is, but people who come across others who have conflicting opinions seem to start calling others names when they start running out of material to defend their opinions, as you can see here. I choose not to resort to this child-like name calling when discussing someone like Ayu and would rather simply have some nice conversation about the opposing sides of those who like NEXT LEVEL/Sunrise and those who don't... but, eh. You've cursed about Heidi Montag and called me a stan, which is pretty much already an indicator that this conversation will probably end here, at least with you.

It's a shame really. Though I think that this conversation could continue on if someone else got in on it...

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for me im kinda offended as when peopls say that i feel i have inferior taste. oh well. over it
It doesn't really affect me all that much, as a lot of the songs that I like are the ones called "recycled" by the majority of the fandom, and it simply just feels like... "everyone's against you" or something. Like for example, Born To Be... and Life are among some of my favorite Ayu songs ever and yet they are slammed by the majority for not being "great" or something... perhaps I have different standards for Ayu, but I feel a connection that extends far beyond what I normally feel with certain songs, and it's like... those are the songs that I love. Born To Be..., ANGEL'S SONG, Life, Beautiful Day... they all have this sort of magical quality that I feel I can't find in other tracks. It's really perplexing that people are so against some of those songs for sounding "boring" or "dated"... but I usually don't let such trivial matters get in the way.

primavera♥ 11th March 2010 03:09 AM

can it stop? can Grace just not be like my little brother in thinking their opinion is superior to others when its obvious that people have different minds and were not clones of Grace. . ."stans" sounds like a term 8 yr olds use. . .

*speaks to self* "why do people think their opinions are facts, jasmine?" "i really dont know. maybe but lets not call them stupid because they will be offended cuz it doesnt match their mindset"

sorry i just dont like seeing random crap in the forums. ive been here liek 2 months and am sick of it.. . goodnight

GRACE 11th March 2010 03:11 AM

I cursed? You mean the word "ass"? I'm not five, I will use the word that I'd use in actual conversation to describe what I mean.

Look, I love Ayu just as much as the next guy. She's my favorite artist, but I don't think she's perfect, and I definitely don't think she's always putting her best forward, particularly in her recording in 2009. I mean, after 10 years of perfection, a little slip up is okay, it's not good and I'm totally allowed to complain about it, but with You were.../BALLAD her spark seemed to have come back, and then she's put SO much work and effort into this album, how it can be anything but perfection is beyond me. But by the sheer fact that she rushed out NEXT LEVEL, when she proved this year if she REALLY wanted to, she could have had that release pushed back, just shows me that there wasn't as much effort as you seem to believe there was in it.

And again, we all know she had a whole other ballad planned out, but then decided against it to record Sunrise~ballad version~ with slightly different lyrics. I dunno, the whole one melody two songs thing has ALWAYS struck me as lazy. When Kuu did it, I thought the same thing.

truehappiness 11th March 2010 03:15 AM

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I cursed? You mean the word "ass"? I'm not five, I will use the word that I'd use in actual conversation to describe what I mean.

Look, I love Ayu just as much as the next guy. She's my favorite artist, but I don't think she's perfect, and I definitely don't think she's always putting her best forward, particularly in her recording in 2009. I mean, after 10 years of perfection, a little slip up is okay, it's not good and I'm totally allowed to complain about it, but with You were.../BALLAD her spark seemed to have come back, and then she's put SO much work and effort into this album, how it can be anything but perfection is beyond me. But by the sheer fact that she rushed out NEXT LEVEL, when she proved this year if she REALLY wanted to, she could have had that release pushed back, just shows me that there wasn't as much effort as you seem to believe there was in it
You called Heidi a *****.

She's not perfect. But I feel that making up excuses about NEXT LEVEL being "rushed" = "terrible" is one of the worst reasons for a release being "bad". It's like... people thought Secret was incredibly rushed and that was why it sucked for many of them. However, look at Secret now. It's on the top of many people's favorite album lists and no one really cares about how much time that it took for her to finish it because they love the album.

Something so trivial as the amount of time spent on an album should not influence the opinion that you have towards the album unless somehow it's audibly apparent that the record was rushed, when in Ayu's case, I think that her so-called rushed works sometimes turn out better than artists who spend years on an album...

Call me blind if you want, but based on what I have seen, I'd rather be blind than be like the bitter people who are supposedly able to "see" the truth about Ayu.


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And again, we all know she had a whole other ballad planned out, but then decided against it to record Sunrise~ballad version~ with slightly different lyrics. I dunno, the whole one melody two songs thing has ALWAYS struck me as lazy. When Kuu did it, I thought the same thing.
The other ballad was probably terrible and would've been a disaster.

The one melody/two songs thing is weird, but for this case, it is like a sister-song/question-answer dealio where the first song and second song are like lovers talking to one another a la LOVE FOREVER/FOREVER LOVE, Koko ni iru yo/Soba ni iru ne, among others. Unlike some other artists who do this, it is completely different due to the differing natures [ballad/upbeat] of the tracks. I feel as though they are both very good standalone tracks and both deserve their places in the album. It's as though she did her own sort of answer song thing, and unlike the artists who collaborate, she cannot simple put one on the album, and save the other for another album.

I feel as though some people mistake friendly conversation as though there's some sort of hidden agenda behind someone's words sometimes... or maybe that's just me.

GRACE 11th March 2010 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2272160)
You called Heidi a *****.

She's not perfect. But I feel that making up excuses about NEXT LEVEL being "rushed" = "terrible" is one of the worst reasons for a release being "bad". It's like... people thought Secret was incredibly rushed and that was why it sucked for many of them. However, look at Secret now. It's on the top of many people's favorite album lists and no one really cares about how much time that it took for her to finish it because they love the album.

Something so trivial as the amount of time spent on an album should not influence the opinion that you have towards the album unless somehow it's audibly apparent that the record was rushed, when in Ayu's case, I think that her so-called rushed works sometimes turn out better than artists who spend years on an album...

Call me blind if you want, but based on what I have seen, I'd rather be blind than be like the bitter people who are supposedly able to "see" the truth about Ayu.




The other ballad was probably terrible and would've been a disaster.

The one melody/two songs thing is weird, but for this case, it is like a sister-song/question-answer dealio where the first song and second song are like lovers talking to one another a la LOVE FOREVER/FOREVER LOVE, Koko ni iru yo/Soba ni iru ne, among others. Unlike some other artists who do this, it is completely different due to the differing natures [ballad/upbeat] of the tracks. I feel as though they are both very good standalone tracks and both deserve their places in the album. It's as though she did her own sort of answer song thing, and unlike the artists who collaborate, she cannot simple put one on the album, and save the other for another album.

or it could have been wonderful and her best ballad in years. We'll never know, we'll never know for sure. We sure as hell can't trust Ayu's taste, she DID look at the S/S covers and say "Yeah okay that's good"...

Question/Answer songs done by two artists are actually usually very good, and a very unique idea. One artist writing their own question and answer is stupid, and comes across as lazy ESPECIALLY if it's done at the exact same time. In the case of POWDER SNOW and PSII, they were a year apart, and thus came across as a clever view of growth over a year's time. If she'd released Sunrise say, last year, and then released Sunset a year later or longer later, the reaction may have been better, at least from me.

I think I'm done arguing my case for NEXT LEVEL. I'm obviously not doing anything not proving any point and I'm too tired to really care about it anymore.

truehappiness 11th March 2010 03:47 AM

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One artist writing their own question and answer is stupid, and comes across as lazy ESPECIALLY if it's done at the exact same time. In the case of POWDER SNOW and PSII, they were a year apart, and thus came across as a clever view of growth over a year's time. If she'd released Sunrise say, last year, and then released Sunset a year later or longer later, the reaction may have been better, at least from me.
They're more like sister tracks imo. It's like how FRIEND and FRIEND II were on ASFXX. I don't see what's so wrong with it. I doubt reaction would've changed. I think the reaction would've actually been worse.

"She recycled THAT? Talk about a lazy artist! Ayu is really running out of ideas, etc."

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We sure as hell can't trust Ayu's taste, she DID look at the S/S covers and say "Yeah okay that's good"...
Can't trust Ayu's taste? Wow, uh, way to completely diss Ayu and make yourself appear to have NO credibility whatsoever.

truehappiness 14th March 2010 07:30 AM

2ch brought up some random stuff involving a "new single" for summer / "new songs"...

A Song For You, Suspense Night With Me (supposed to be My?) Love, and Destiny. With the first two being "uptempo tracks with low melodies" or something. I guess some of these are supposed to be album tracks but... I don't really know what they're going on about, haha. These are all reportedly new songs but only A Song For You / Suspense Night With Me Love are to be in a "single" haha.

Sooooooooooooooooo fake.

I just looked it up and it's an old single rumor for 2008 that had a drama attached to it, haha.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...US355&ie=UTF-8

rookies 14th March 2010 08:26 AM

@ the fake 2ch summer songs: lol at those song titles. :roflmao

Ayumi27 14th March 2010 04:35 PM

Suspense Night for "Me" Love :laugh
Just hilarious

!Lawi! 14th March 2010 07:21 PM

A Song for you would be the cheapest title ever for an Ayu song O_O Aren't they bored to create fake tracklists ? lol

jean-baptiste 14th March 2010 07:45 PM

^i know right. :rolleyes

GRACE 14th March 2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by !Lawi! (Post 2276345)
A Song for you would be the cheapest title ever for an Ayu song O_O Aren't they bored to create fake tracklists ? lol

A Song for xx is something she'd done already, so A Song for you isn't even plausible XD

truehappiness 14th March 2010 09:55 PM

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A Song for you isn't even plausible XD
It's possible.

She's done A song is born and A Song for XX along with rainy day / Beautiful Day / Days...

Anything is possible when it comes to Ayu imo.

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 14th March 2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2276524)
It's possible.

She's done A song is born and A Song for XX along with rainy day / Beautiful Day / Days...

Anything is possible when it comes to Ayu imo.

not ANYTHING... if she names a song Grilled cheese then yeah... lol
but seriously, they need fresh ideas.

truehappiness 14th March 2010 10:09 PM

She could have a song called Grilled Cheese or Tea Time...

You never know! I'd say that to put limits on Ayu titles = blaaah because then you are totally thrown off by titles like Load of the SHUGYO...

!Lawi! 14th March 2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2276510)
A Song for xx is something she'd done already, so A Song for you isn't even plausible XD

That was what I had in mind ^^ But truehappiness is right, there's nothing sure when it comes from Ayu :lech

xLitax 14th March 2010 10:54 PM

A Song for you, A Song for me, A Song for us, A Song for them, A Song for him, A Song for her!

Kazeyomi 14th March 2010 11:00 PM

This song is not for you ~GTFO~

ComatoseBunnySnatcher 14th March 2010 11:01 PM

She should'nt have food name songs cuz those make me hungry!!!

Load of the SHUGYO is different tho, because in context it makes sense.

jean-baptiste 14th March 2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by koshka (Post 2276583)
This song is not for you ~GTFO~

love it. :roflmao

U-GO-BOY 17th March 2010 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by koshka (Post 2276583)
This song is not for you ~GTFO~

it would be more cool if it was written like "This song is (not) for you ~GTFO~" :P

asmAyumi1992 17th March 2010 10:36 AM

^Hell Yeah! Haha :D

everlastingRAINBOW 17th March 2010 08:41 PM

I read some where that Ayu is secretly a unicorn.

jean-baptiste 18th March 2010 02:06 AM

^and she produces magical mayonnaise.

kotora 18th March 2010 03:00 AM

As ayu LOVES to take pictures from her phone, I would like to see a song titled "Where is my telephone?" It implies that ayu's diary would stop updating with pictures if this song is released.

asmAyumi1992 18th March 2010 03:10 AM

^Haha. You're funny. Ayu should have the title, MONEY too. She loves to wasting her money on her thousands of shoes :D

C+R+E+AYUMI 18th March 2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen-Of-Hip-Pop (Post 2281278)
I read some where that Ayu is secretly a unicorn.

Oh God!! LOL :lech

lakrits 19th March 2010 12:50 AM

Edit: FAKE -__-
This is probably fake, but some people posted the supposed lyrics to Microphone & Last Links on a bulletin board (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi...27/1268046837/).

jean-baptiste 19th March 2010 12:54 AM

^interesting. wonder if it's true.

Keiichi_JPU 19th March 2010 12:54 AM

^ Microphone could be correct since that song already aired on the radio apparently. And if Microphone's are correct, Last Links will probably also be correct.

Or they're both made up :D I don't really care about the lyrics before I hear the songs anyway, cause now I've got nothing to link them to.. No melody.

polka-dot-jewel 19th March 2010 03:56 AM

After re-listening to the Honda CM w/ Microphone a few times (and translating the lyrics to romaji)... it seems like the words add up. One part seems a bit iffy, though. Either they got lucky guessing the lyrics, or those are the real deal :D

And when did Microphone start airing on the radio???

lakrits 19th March 2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel (Post 2283109)
After re-listening to the Honda CM w/ Microphone a few times (and translating the lyrics to romaji)... it seems like the words add up. One part seems a bit iffy, though. Either they got lucky guessing the lyrics, or those are the real deal :D

And when did Microphone start airing on the radio???

I heard it was played 12/3 on Tokyo FM. That was the first time I got to know it had been played.

kendelle 3rd June 2010 03:29 AM

I was checking my facebook this morning and received a very interesting update from Avex Avexnews (Avex's official facebook page):

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6436/ayufacebook.jpg

I really hope this isn't a typo, considering the previous message:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9...ufacebook2.jpg
but how can you confuse the word "avex" and "ayu"?

I've replied to the message asking if it's the Ayu but they don't seem to reply to anything, even facebook messages (I sent one to them about a different matter 2 weeks ago and no response) but who knows? I'll keep an eye on their feed :)

asmAyumi1992 3rd June 2010 03:52 AM

^Yeah I read that too. I hope it's for real..

microphone 3rd June 2010 04:01 AM

i heard a new double A single is coming july 14


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