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Ayumi in SLT = oh, another GaGa copy?
Something makes me angry in youtube's SLT preview...
When i first saw the photos/youtube preview of PV i really thought "oh, so GaGa!" but with no bad feelings (i love Ayu and GaGa the same) but one comment make me feel like "meeh": Quote:
She was producing her own costumes at the very beggining,when no one knew her. Now her costumes are/was designed by McQueen (rip) or any other Prada/Versace/weirdotherexampledesigner. And the most of the important, Ayu did not did "the weird fashioned" pv for the first time. Costumes in Ladies Night, Alterna, crystal-funny-Ayu in Walking proud, Robo-Ayu in Real me or even the cat in Surreal. (maybe in the more japanese way, but they are freaky) And nobody knew who the f is Gaga back then. Now they dress her in freaky clothes BECAUSE its TREDNY! not for GaGa only! I hate this specification - like Rihanna clothes and comments: OH MY GOD SHE COPIED GAGA!!!111218328 - Yeah, right, you've got a small mind. GaGa could be inspiration, but the fact is that it's starts from designers, all over new trends and us - the more we like it, the more "freaky clothes" we will see on everyone, not the GaGa only. |
I'll be honest, when I first saw the PV preview I thought "LADY GAGA"
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Lady GaGa didn't do the costumes so people can't say that ayu copied her.
Is all about Alexander McQueen I think that ayu chose these outfits to commemorate his death (keyword: I think) but whatever a world without haters is not fun at all |
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imo, haters gonna hate. The thing that'll annoy them the most is if you don't respond to them |
now you know how jolin fans feel at every little accusation of copying ayu :)
lady gaga is bigger than ayu, of course people are going to say "omg she copied" simply because they don't know ayu or they like gaga more. you don't have to agree with or read those kinds of comments, let alone make a thread about it but i agree, i don't think ayu "copied" gaga |
Don't get me started.
Im currently having a huge battle while some idiot that thinks Gaga is soooo original and that ayu copies everything. Funny tho I asked for one example and what do you know, none have appeared :P |
I'm so sick of comparisons with GaGa. I kind of get it if some artist is just starting to do weird things after GaGa came out, like Rihanna.. but Ayu has always been really ****ing weird, even before GaGa came out
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but yeah I didn't know that or maybe I asked about this and can't remember oh well thanks and I don't care who copies who or whatever as long as the music is awesome the outfits are pretty rad I specially love that red number yum |
I haven't seen the PV and I don't follow Ms. Gaga's fashions, so I really can't say one way or the other if somebody's getting ripped off, but it seems to me that if Ayu doesn't want to keep being accused of stealing fashion tips from Madonna/Lady Gaga/any other platinum-blonde Italian-American dance-pop singer, she had better make a conscientious effort to come up with original outfits that are completely above suspicion. Maybe she doesn't really care what Netizens think about the origin of her costumes, but that's just my 2¢.
She's already dressed up as a leopard; maybe she can dress up as, er, ah, a giraffe? |
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And GaGa pulls from Madonna, etc...seriously people need to get over it.
As for SLT, from what I can make out of the lyrics (waiting for HQ here lol), I think if the PV ties in, it's a bit of a parody of the portrayal of females in the media, especially celebrities. |
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filmed in 05, released Jan06, before GaGa was even calling herself GaGa. |
the problem is, anything that is avant-guard is considered Gaga. She is a big star who heavily relies on this sort of fashion, so people associate Gaga with avant-guard fashion. and anyone who does it: ZOMG it's so gagalicious.
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I do not want anyone to get in argue, come on xD
I just think that comparison to GaGa is just ridicoulus, in a world full of fashion-change-like-weather. |
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Lady Gaga fans are always accusing other artists of copying their "diva" when she is the one who became famous ripping off every single pop icon from the music history, and keeps doing so.
Therefore, arguing with her brainwashed stans is pointless. My advice for everyone is to let them live in the fairytale, believing that Gaga is a genius for making a collage of other people's ideas. But anyway, a similar discussion came up here and I already said what I think about this Gaga thing, so I'm gonna stop here before I repeat myself any further. :D |
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i don't care who wore the clothes first. the fact of the matter is people act like lady gaga invented avant-garde clothing, which she did not. she is merely riding on the coattails of fashion designers, waiting for the next out-of-the-ordinary outfit to appear. she's a shock jock with minimal writing talent. nothing about her is edgy or unique, she's just another blonde pop star in my eyes. instead of people thinking of lady gaga when you see such an outfit, you should be crediting the designer. lady gaga did nothing but wear the clothes, which i'm sure her record label is responsible for (testing a new type of marketing).
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I'm really tired of people who think always the same thing! Lady GaGa didn't anything of new (Style and MUSIC)! Okay? She's a copy of a copy of another copy! And it's the same for all current artists. And where is the problem about that?
In real life for everyone: It's the same thing we do every days! Please STOP >_< |
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lol, oh u. i feel sorry for you but believe it or not, i am NOT kuu :) |
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I personally don't care if people think Ayu copied Gaga.
If you let people get to you, you're going to get wrinkles. |
See if Ayu started walking around with a hair bow on her head, and in that origami outfit that GaGa made so famous, that would be different. I don't see why people can say she "copied" I don't think GaGa has worn that Alexander McQueen Horn of Plenty red and black outfit, or the white and black outfit.. he IS a famous designer, and they just happen to be British designers, which is what Ayu was after anyway. She's worn his stuff before anyway. :/
EDIT: I also find it unnecessary to bash Lady GaGa here as well, that's just as bad as bashing Ayu for what she wears. |
oh man this thread got interesting very fast woot
power of trolling |
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Hmm, some other PV's I thought were pretty weird were WHATEVER, Real me, ourselves, walking proud & alterna. All were before gaga. Weird/out there fashion before gaga.. |
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Well, I think Its bit weird she used strange outfits like Gaga at this time. she's like following gaga. its been so long she never wore strange outfit like she wore in SLT.
but now she comes back again and unfortunately Gaga at her peak brings all the impact |
I kinda thought the point was to look like Lady Gaga.
It's obviously a parody of her style, like Starin' was a parody. |
I don't think Lady GaGa is copying Ayumi and I don't think Ayumi is copying Lady GaGa. If either of them is copying ANYONE, it's Madonna, but I'd like to think their both just drawing a bit of inspiration here and there from VARIOUS artists and other places.
If you wanna get technical-- Ayumi started doing this weird "avant-garde" thing around 1999 when the kanariya single was released (and has continued to use it off and on ever since.) She actually used elements of it even prior to that, but let's just say she started in 1999. GaGa was 13 then, so... Yeah. |
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I think the video is a parody too, that might or might not be pointing towards Gaga..idk about that I dont mind people having their own opinions about things but when i have to read 6 pages of a thread in the news section about Gaga vs. Ayu its kind of annoying, plus all the actual news gets lost. :rolleyes I personally didnt think of Gaga at all when i watched the preview, I honestly just thought of Ayu, this MV looks like something she would do even if Gaga didnt exist |
There are a bunch of professionals / models in it.
(The people on instruments = professionals at playing their instruments, I guess, and the models are actual models that work in the industry.) As for the outfits, a lot of them have been worn by GaGa, or at least she has also worn stuff from the same collections. But this is mostly because both Ayu and GaGa chose to use the best British designers when choosing fashion designers... it's more that Ayu and GaGa probably have similar tastes in avant garde fashion and that's why things kind of seem strange. I think this is Ayu's first time venturing into the world of "fashion" in a PV, haha. (wearing designer outfits and etc. anyway) |
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^ Ohh I thought she meant that either A.) she was gonna play dress-up :P or B.) There would be a few models/musicians that you could automatically go "I know them!"
But then of course the MV would cost sooo much to make, so i kind of doubted B. |
Quite honestly, I find it annoying that Ayumi and Lady GaGa have been compared so much, and that also goes for any other artist out there who came out before Lady GaGa did. I don't deny Ayumi has a similar style to Lady GaGa in Sexy Little Things, but really? It's not like everything is 100% original anymore, down to outfits, filming locations, etc.
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Ladies Night not weird on the level of GaGa? If anything, I think it's weirder than anything GaGa has done ever.
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For some specific examples of Ayu using similar outfits once worn by GaGa (not saying she's copying again... similar fashion taste is more what this is imo.):
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2...lielemindu.jpg http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6...echarliele.jpg http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8...3b1adygaga.jpg (This was covered in pleather it looks like for the PV...) |
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Looking back at a bunch of editorials from last year, many of the designers who Ayu used had pieces in Vogues all across the world and Harper's Bazaar too. (Most notably McQueen's Horn of Plenty collection from Fall 2009... so many of the black and white houndstooth pieces in magazines!) Couldn't Ayu, you know, have been browsing fashion magazines/lookbooks like any other person interested in fashion would do? Haha.
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I don't care to elaborate much more than this, because, ppl who see gaga even in their soup just won't be open for debate.
Like this comment I read in youtube, in a MARIA CALLAS clip, where this user said that while watching maria callas reminded him about people not accepting that gaga can sing????, something scary like that!!. I even remember here in ahs there was a thread about that too comparing opera singers to gaga, I don't know how that ended. anyway, So if there are ppl who can't accept that there are many ways to go around this ayu-vs-gaga-fashion-fight, they should not get into a debate. |
Its kinda annoying to see all the lady gaga comparisons when ayu did weird stuff way before when gaga was around. Its just that for the past 2 years or so ayu's been doing 'normal' stuff while gaga got famous with all her weird stuff.
With the SLT pv, they both just chose and wore the outfits from the same designers. I think ayu wore the outfits in SLT pv very tastefully (not trashy) and artistically. |
Sorry to say, but this PV is pretty much Gaga copied to the bone. Seriously, she didn't just take some inspiration from Gaga, she did more. Her hand motions around the face, her robotic-movements, the costumes, shoes, everyhting is exactly like Lady Gaga's style.
How can you guys even argue with that? And I don't believe it's a parody, if, however it actually turns out to be a parody, stated by Ayu herself, then I'll eat my words up. I highly doubt it though. It started with Sparkle, a bit Gaga-ish, and now this is even more Gaga-ish. She definately likes Gaga. So now ya'll know how those Jolin fans feel whenever she does something Ayu has done :P However (yeah, there's a good thing) the song is hot! I love it! Innovative, funky and original. Good! :) |
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I think even if GaGa hadn't come around or w/e, Ayu would still have done this PV and people wouldn't be pointing fingers at Ayu/GaGa. It's like... Ayu has worn designer outfits since she became famous. She wears McQueen, Balenciaga, D&G/Dolce&Gabbana, Dior, Chanel, and other designer outfits quite regularly. Why is it so out there to think that the fashion was mainly her idea? Also, some of the Gareth Pugh works that were worn in the PV were never touched by GaGa, haha. |
You can't say that she definitely loves Gaga. You don't know that. And Ayu has had weird robotic movements in her videos before.
Honestly, when I saw the preview what came to mind was Ayu meets McQueen with a splash of Shiina Ringo. I don't have anything against Gaga but she has certainly done a good job in brainwashing people into thinking that anything high fashion/weird is her. |
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So GaGa invented random hand movements? Ayu has been doing those for years. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your post or not, it really seems like it because it's so ridiculous. |
^ LOl, so true. Ayu's hand movements are notorious!
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FuNsTyLe, Ayu copied Monica Naranjo in Sobreviviré with Sparkle see the purple outfit
:innocent it's simmilar, isn't? |
Ugh, I already stated my points in the album information thread. But I'll try and paraphrase...
Slt definitely looks GaGa-ish to me. This does not mean Ayu is copying. Or that GaGa is queen/God. Or that Ayu is trash for having similarities. I hated the comparisons at first, but this PV is more GaGa than anything else she's done that has brought up comparisons. I will not deny it, and actually seeing more people continue to deny it just sounds ridiculous. Yes, Ayu is her own. GaGa is her own. They both have been inspired by different/maybe perhaps some of the same things. But any (non-biased) non-Ayu fan would totally say this looks like GaGa. |
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^ That's the stupidest thing--Sparkle = GaGa?? Holy crap, now we're just being retarded. The only thing in that PV that reminded me of anybody else was, her hair looked like Kuu's in ECSTACY, lol.
After finally getting to see the PV, it is extremely "GaGa-ish". However, she's using the same fashion designers. And who are these designers? Well, I know McQueen is English/British, and she obviously has a whole England/U.K. thing going on this year, so no wonder she would choose him. If anything, Ayu is just copying the fashion world, and so is GaGa. This is a little different than other 'weird' things she's done before, but not completely off. Somebody put up A MUSEUM and that kiss 'o kill performance. Those and Sparkle, especially, have similar choices, just not so fashion runway extreme. But it's certainly the same idea. Either way, I don't like it. At all. I think it looks ridiculous on Ayu, on GaGa, and on the many other celebrities who have gone down similar paths. I wish I never had to look at any of it, is all I know for sure. |
McQueen is (was, bless his soul) based in London, as are Gareth Pugh and Charlie Le Mindu. She's also wearing various designers in the album cover.
I don't think this is different from her other "weird" stuff before, haha. Ladies Night and ourselves were WAY weirder. This is like fashionable weird, which seems to have been brought into the spotlight by GaGa. |
Umm I don't even see where the Gaga-references stem from.
This video is nothing like Lady Gaga's style in music/fashion in any way. It's just zany and fashion-forward. Nothing more and nothing less. |
There's a fine line between "inspiration" and "copy"
You'd be hard pressed to argue that a lot of today's pop singers haven't been inspired by Lady GaGa's look, image, sound and success. Everyone's going to be compared to her for many years to come, that's the kind of impact she's had on the music industry. BUT - anything left-of-centre is now being associated with gaga, and that any artist who does something a little out of the ordinary is being called a gaga copy, which is stupid. Gaga has brought "different" to the mainstream, and a lot of artists are following that lead. That's inspiration, and really, there's nothing wrong with that. Its not copying. Ayu has always worn pretty weird outfits as well, gaga didn't invent that. Its been done. Gaga's just taken it to an extreme no other pop star has before. And its not like we're going to see Ayu dressed like that everywhere she goes, in every performance and every video. She'd be copying then. |
This is the big problem on having a forum filled with teenagers xD
First of all, even if Ayu does look like Gaga on the video, this is only the outfits... the general direction and art-direction are not even similar... The only similarity between both videos is the outfits 2nd, people need to chill down... Gaga is bigger than Ayu, and reach more people now than Ayu ever will... Of course she is going the be seen as the "original" one 3rd... There isn't a magical box called "strangeness" where every strange aesthetical choice fits... You can be strange on several different ways 4rd... Every female pop singer with a fashion oriented image has used some avant gard outfits... 5th... about ero-kakkoii... people, stop feeding the troll |
Ah.. urm.. just stopping by.. but I don't think Ayu copied Gaga. But I do think that Gaga is inspired by Ayu. This is just what I think of. No need to firing me please.
There's some reason I say that. The name of Lady Gaga always reminds me of Ladies Night and B&D. Then, the debut song, Poker Face (But this title is used by many artists), similar to AYu also. And the weird fashion also, I think she inspired by Ayu. Because of she's an American, she change the style more to the American style. But still, Ayu is not the one copying Gaga, but Gaga who's the one inspired by Ayu, imo. |
i dunno but ayu been know for doing weird pvs, this is nothing new.
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people who say she is copying lady gaga are americans who do not know Ayumi well. Lady GaGa is so popular in america right now.
of course, they don't know Ayumi has been doing it for many years. her strange fashion, funny hand movements, and all those things! they simply don't know. |
Just for fun, some people being strange way before Gaga :B
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All of those looks where used before Gaga was famous |
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:thud:thud:thud "La Divina" Maria Callas compared to Lady GaGa??? :thud Gosh, I don't know where music right now is heading then Gaga has some catchy music but she's just the artist of the minute And about the "copying"... Yeah, Ayu seems to be inspired by the Gaga-McQueen team, still, those claiming Gaga is original, creative or whatever, really need some fashion, music and stage history :rolleyes |
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Anyhow, I find this whole comparison laughable. Pretty soon people will say that Gaga inspired anything Avant Garde and the Fashionista George Micheal Videos of the 90s (wearing Linda Evangilista's outfit in her Paparazzi video). There are far too many instances and similarities discrediting Gaga of her originality. |
the video looks, obviously, fashion inspired. everything fashion doesn't = gaga.
anyway i dont see why its such a shock when people read others' comments that accuse ayu of copying. its not the 1st time and i doubt it'll be the last. arent there a ton of ayu PVs that were accused of copying jennifer lopez, madonna, britney etc before? lol just let it go Quote:
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Gaga is big right now and everyone knows her for her crazy fashion, so when they see Ayu dressed up similarly, it only makes sense that they're going to think "Lady Gaga!" Even I did that when I first saw the PV preview. It's really not a big deal to me. People are always going to compare stuff.
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Thaks andrenekoi.that pict explain everything....
fashion can be avant garde,minimalist,cute,glamour,freak,hard core,*****y?,gothic? electric,robotique,retro,atomic (lol) and what so-called whatsoever... so... i think Ayu choose avant garde this time after she ever wear all themes,remember ura ayu? i think its kinda freaky and weird too. what about daybreak? how could be sparkle compared to lady gagaishme? ck ck ck. what about bjork? kylie minogue? they seem wear a weird fashion too (sometimes) i think Ayu is copy fashion.not that GAGA or what so-called whatsoever. jolin is copy ayu's theme.and everyone's theme.wkwkwkkw |
this make me laugh,,,,
ayu has been popular since she is always do weired thing in fashion,,,, one things which droves ayu popularity on her golden era was her silly uniqe n weired fashion taste,,,,that day gaga was "anyone",,,,, dont forget about URAAYU,,,,,,,,,,,,shes horrible on that photobook,,,,, if u want to watch ayu weired fashion try to waatch her live performance in 1999-2003... she used to make any weired things,,,, |
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While ayu is big in japan, her terrority is smaller compare to gaga. Even in Asia countries like Taiwan, Singapore n china, gaga is more well known. Even my friend who is a gaga n joilin fan, found the styles in SLT similar to gaga, n she too thought ayu is copying, so wat rights does ayu fans have to bash jolin. . . So I end up showing her the older ayu Pv, ourselves, real me, SURREAL n of coz the TA post that ayu posted of her in the wacky white hair photoshoots years ago. Only then, she slighty accept that ayu do have those wacky ideas before, but why is ayu suddenly coming back with those ideas just when haga's style is so recognize? She's implying that this is a sales trick to get more notice n promotion for her album. Oh well..... I'll just wait till the album n pv is out, then see if there's any news articles about ayu vs gaga. |
GaGa raised the bar for creativity in mainstream pop music. That's all I'll give her credit for. Of course there's going to be other female singers trying to keep up with her or outdo her. But as GaGa-inspired as Sparkle/Sexy little things may be... they're not GaGa to the point of pretentiousness. GaGa's peak has already passed, IMO. People already expect wayyyyy too much of her, and she's barely even released two albums. Eventually, people won't be surprised by anything she does.
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BTW bit off topic (Sorry!) That image of mylene where did it come from? |
^from here
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@Andrenekoi 10x! lovely pv.
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well, kagami, Lady Gaga is not the one who is accusing Ayumi of anything. It is her ignorant fans.
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It looks Gaga-ish in the sense that it's weird and fashion-centric, yeah. But some people make it out like Ayu is ripping off Gaga's style when she isn't even the one who designs a lot of her outfits (Gaga that is).
To me it really seems like Ayu is just revisitting things from her past, as she said she was doing. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ayu knows next to nothing about Gaga. She doesn't seem to pay that much attention to the music industry, ha ha. |
um no. Sorry.
I don't really agree with anyone's points of view except for the fact that Ayu didn't copy Gaga. A lot of the assumptions about Ayu from the Gaga stans pov is retarded, and a lot of the assumptions about Gaga from the Ayu stans pov is retarded. |
GaGa is nothing new...just madonna music couple with Bjork videos
madonna + Bjork = GaGa |
URGH Gaga copied ayu:
Lady GAGA ---> bold & delicious gagagaga part poker face ---> ayu's first single :/ ^shouldnt be this way around?? seriously... if lady gaga wasnt famous right now people would still be comparing ayu to madonna :/ so meh |
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the time I saw it is written director-XXX(also directed Ladies Night.) I won't consider that too much to TIE UP Lady GaGa. As GaGa has become a "shocking style icon".this is hard to avoid. I can just understand in one way ayu's is not another copy in Sexy little things But her actresses and actors in her PV is. This condition resembles Ladies Night. |
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I wish the situation would have went like this: AHS Member #1: "Hey this kind of reminds me of GaGa!" AHS Members: "Yeah, it reminds me too" AHS Members: "Cool, Ayu is great!" The end. Lol. Seeing the preview just brings up GaGa in my head. Not copying. Not stealing. Not plagiarizing. Just reminding. |
^ And we're all entitled to different opinions. :D I honestly, didn't even think of tra-- "GaGa" at all.
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The relationship that Alexander McQueen has with Gaga is bound to circulate when people see other artists using his specific designs in their productions.
It's not rocket science. I personally thought of him and his collection when I first saw the outfits. That's my pov since I pay attention to fashion. Other people will see other things, other people will see complete originality. In any sense, people saying Ayu copied = stupid. People insulting Gaga because they think she's overrated = just as stupid. |
i know comparison will make someone better... but don't create haters~
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I hate how a few people are saying that GaGa is already bigger than Ayumi. C'mon now, really? This is GaGa's peak, and it's not as big as Ayu's was. Also, do you really think GaGa will still be going strong in another decade? No way.
There's no reason at all for people to be trying to claim she's already more successful. |
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Lady GaGa is famous worldwide not only because her talent ..is famous becase she belong to the USA music indutry..and USA industry have the money and the power to make any kind of artist (trash or not) famous in a worldwide way, the same with the movies, the same with clothes...etc.
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You can say what you want, but that Ayu is using some exact same outfits as GaGa (like the X-factor Bad Romance outfit) is pretty lame IMO. There are so many outfits out there, use some other ones. The red skinny dress thing is amazing, use more original ones like those.
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oh.. haters.. o.O
but yeah, I said "Oh, Ayu's copying GaGa" but in a very good way, because I love them both and I thought it will be fun if ayu is GaGa's fan~ :yes but then again, maybe it's just the trend, the designer.... whatever~ i think it's just the fashion of 2010~ :thud FREAKY but AWESOME! :heart :luv2 I :heart love it! A LOT.. |
I guess people compare them not because the PV itself is weird. To ma Lady GaGa represents costumes that don't fit, oversized, non-standard, plastic, etc, they seem like those first future-like costumes from the 70's. Even though Ayu had some huge dresses they were always exaggerated but in normal standards and looking good. Now I look at Sexy Little Things PV and I don't see Ayu style weird clothes, but typically GaGa style weird clothes: they are too huge, distort the silhouette and go with hairstyle that is looking far too fake (I'm thinking about the black & white clothes with pony tail from the PV).
I don't mind reviving some styles from the past, but I don't like it when two or more stars do it at the same time, why did she have to do it right now when GaGa is already doing it too? Because it's popular, "people like it at the moment, so let's do it" kind of thinking. |
I don't think Ayu is copying. So what if she happens to use outfits from a few FAMOUS designers? That makes her a copycat? Ayu did weird stuff/make up/clothing/PV's way before GAGA was around. People need to realize this. I've said this before. Obviously people are going to beat this into the freaking ground.
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Japan not only doesn't care about making it outside of the country, but they often even don't want to. Ayumi obviously doesn't care about making it out of Asia, and we know she'd be fine if she was only known in Japan. But despite all that, she has tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands of Westerners, alone, who know her name. That's a very impressive accomplishment, something that GaGa could only dream of achieving. |
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