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pepper 25th March 2010 12:09 AM

Ayumi in SLT = oh, another GaGa copy?
 
Something makes me angry in youtube's SLT preview...

When i first saw the photos/youtube preview of PV i really thought "oh, so GaGa!" but with no bad feelings (i love Ayu and GaGa the same)
but one comment make me feel like "meeh":

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Originally Posted by gogoutube@youtube
God some people don't like what she's doing, including me, deal with it people. This was utter crap. It's like a techno childrens song for those afterschool kid shows. The music video is cool, expensive, used high fashion (but gaga did it first, exact outfits...)

People dont understand that GaGa is not that herself at all. She is a HUGE star, and SHE is a product (and i still love her that way, i like her music, and her appearance) They made her like this.

She was producing her own costumes at the very beggining,when no one knew her. Now her costumes are/was designed by McQueen (rip) or any other Prada/Versace/weirdotherexampledesigner.

And the most of the important, Ayu did not did "the weird fashioned" pv for the first time. Costumes in Ladies Night, Alterna, crystal-funny-Ayu in Walking proud, Robo-Ayu in Real me or even the cat in Surreal. (maybe in the more japanese way, but they are freaky) And nobody knew who the f is Gaga back then.

Now they dress her in freaky clothes BECAUSE its TREDNY! not for GaGa only! I hate this specification - like Rihanna clothes and comments: OH MY GOD SHE COPIED GAGA!!!111218328 - Yeah, right, you've got a small mind.

GaGa could be inspiration, but the fact is that it's starts from designers, all over new trends and us - the more we like it, the more "freaky clothes" we will see on everyone, not the GaGa only.

NintendoHTF1242 25th March 2010 12:11 AM

I'll be honest, when I first saw the PV preview I thought "LADY GAGA"

JackieRos 25th March 2010 12:13 AM

Lady GaGa didn't do the costumes so people can't say that ayu copied her.
Is all about Alexander McQueen I think that ayu chose these outfits to commemorate his death
(keyword: I think)

but whatever a world without haters is not fun at all

pepper 25th March 2010 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 2291339)


but whatever a world without haters is not fun at all

true, true...

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/124...gonna-hate.gif

GRACE 25th March 2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 2291339)
Lady GaGa didn't do the costumes so people can't say that ayu copied her.
Is all about Alexander McQueen I think that ayu chose these outfits to commemorate his death
(keyword: I think)

but whatever a world without haters is not fun at all

McQueen died after Sexy little things was recorded.

imo, haters gonna hate. The thing that'll annoy them the most is if you don't respond to them

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:17 AM

now you know how jolin fans feel at every little accusation of copying ayu :)

lady gaga is bigger than ayu, of course people are going to say "omg she copied" simply because they don't know ayu or they like gaga more. you don't have to agree with or read those kinds of comments, let alone make a thread about it

but i agree, i don't think ayu "copied" gaga

Raiu-Ayu 25th March 2010 12:17 AM

Don't get me started.

Im currently having a huge battle while some idiot that thinks Gaga is soooo original and that ayu copies everything.

Funny tho I asked for one example and what do you know, none have appeared :P

love in music 25th March 2010 12:18 AM

I'm so sick of comparisons with GaGa. I kind of get it if some artist is just starting to do weird things after GaGa came out, like Rihanna.. but Ayu has always been really ****ing weird, even before GaGa came out

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by identity (Post 2291352)
but Ayu has always been really ****ing weird, even before GaGa came out

examples please?

JackieRos 25th March 2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2291346)
McQueen died after Sexy little things was recorded.

keyword: I think
but yeah I didn't know that or maybe I asked about this and can't remember
oh well thanks



and I don't care who copies who or whatever as long as the music is awesome
the outfits are pretty rad I specially love that red number yum

Embleu 25th March 2010 12:21 AM

I haven't seen the PV and I don't follow Ms. Gaga's fashions, so I really can't say one way or the other if somebody's getting ripped off, but it seems to me that if Ayu doesn't want to keep being accused of stealing fashion tips from Madonna/Lady Gaga/any other platinum-blonde Italian-American dance-pop singer, she had better make a conscientious effort to come up with original outfits that are completely above suspicion. Maybe she doesn't really care what Netizens think about the origin of her costumes, but that's just my 2¢.

She's already dressed up as a leopard; maybe she can dress up as, er, ah, a giraffe?

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Embleu (Post 2291359)
She's already dressed up as a leopard; maybe she can dress up as, er, ah, a giraffe?

already been done before, just not by ayu :)

StarSUCKER 25th March 2010 12:22 AM

And GaGa pulls from Madonna, etc...seriously people need to get over it.

As for SLT, from what I can make out of the lyrics (waiting for HQ here lol), I think if the PV ties in, it's a bit of a parody of the portrayal of females in the media, especially celebrities.

GRACE 25th March 2010 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2291354)
examples please?


filmed in 05, released Jan06, before GaGa was even calling herself GaGa.

oneheart 25th March 2010 12:23 AM

the problem is, anything that is avant-guard is considered Gaga. She is a big star who heavily relies on this sort of fashion, so people associate Gaga with avant-guard fashion. and anyone who does it: ZOMG it's so gagalicious.

StarSUCKER 25th March 2010 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2291360)
already been done before, just not by ayu :)

Kuu? XD

pepper 25th March 2010 12:24 AM

I do not want anyone to get in argue, come on xD

I just think that comparison to GaGa is just ridicoulus, in a world full of fashion-change-like-weather.

JackieRos 25th March 2010 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zelenk0 (Post 2291364)
Kuu? XD

or that lady shania twain or something

Anna Willow 25th March 2010 12:26 AM

Lady Gaga fans are always accusing other artists of copying their "diva" when she is the one who became famous ripping off every single pop icon from the music history, and keeps doing so.

Therefore, arguing with her brainwashed stans is pointless. My advice for everyone is to let them live in the fairytale, believing that Gaga is a genius for making a collage of other people's ideas.

But anyway, a similar discussion came up here and I already said what I think about this Gaga thing, so I'm gonna stop here before I repeat myself any further. :D

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2291362)

filmed in 05, released Jan06, before GaGa was even calling herself GaGa.

this isn't on the same level of "gaga" weird though, but thats a horrible video lol. and weird...

joshohhhhh 25th March 2010 12:29 AM

i don't care who wore the clothes first. the fact of the matter is people act like lady gaga invented avant-garde clothing, which she did not. she is merely riding on the coattails of fashion designers, waiting for the next out-of-the-ordinary outfit to appear. she's a shock jock with minimal writing talent. nothing about her is edgy or unique, she's just another blonde pop star in my eyes. instead of people thinking of lady gaga when you see such an outfit, you should be crediting the designer. lady gaga did nothing but wear the clothes, which i'm sure her record label is responsible for (testing a new type of marketing).

GRACE 25th March 2010 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2291375)
this isn't on the same level of "gaga" weird though, but thats a horrible video lol. and weird...

I think it's amazing tbh, it's hugely artistic, it's the kinda thing GaGa would do, if you knwo the first thing about why GaGa does what she does. it's also better then anything Kuu's done ever

petitepiper 25th March 2010 12:33 AM

I'm really tired of people who think always the same thing! Lady GaGa didn't anything of new (Style and MUSIC)! Okay? She's a copy of a copy of another copy! And it's the same for all current artists. And where is the problem about that?

In real life for everyone: It's the same thing we do every days! Please STOP >_<

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2291381)
I think it's amazing tbh, it's hugely artistic, it's the kinda thing GaGa would do, if you knwo the first thing about why GaGa does what she does.it's also better then anything Kuu's done ever

i value your input and your opinion however i'm sorry, i do not agree.

lol, oh u. i feel sorry for you but believe it or not, i am NOT kuu :)

Embleu 25th March 2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoi
Quote:

Originally Posted by Embleu
She's already dressed up as a leopard; maybe she can dress up as, er, ah, a giraffe?

already been done before, just not by ayu

Okay then, I'm sure no-one has done a predatory Hawaiian caterpillar before. (And if someone has, well, that's just creepy.)

Kingdom 25th March 2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Embleu (Post 2291389)
Okay then, I'm sure no-one has done a predatory Hawaiian caterpillar before. (And if someone has, well, that's just creepy.)

:yes i would love to see ayu do this

Cherry Dynamite 25th March 2010 12:38 AM

I personally don't care if people think Ayu copied Gaga.
If you let people get to you, you're going to get wrinkles.

[taskin.ayu] 25th March 2010 12:39 AM

See if Ayu started walking around with a hair bow on her head, and in that origami outfit that GaGa made so famous, that would be different. I don't see why people can say she "copied" I don't think GaGa has worn that Alexander McQueen Horn of Plenty red and black outfit, or the white and black outfit.. he IS a famous designer, and they just happen to be British designers, which is what Ayu was after anyway. She's worn his stuff before anyway. :/

EDIT: I also find it unnecessary to bash Lady GaGa here as well, that's just as bad as bashing Ayu for what she wears.

JackieRos 25th March 2010 12:42 AM

oh man this thread got interesting very fast woot
power of trolling

love in music 25th March 2010 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2291381)
I think it's amazing tbh, it's hugely artistic, it's the kinda thing GaGa would do, if you knwo the first thing about why GaGa does what she does. it's also better then anything Kuu's done ever

agreed, especially about the colored part lmao.

Hmm, some other PV's I thought were pretty weird were WHATEVER, Real me, ourselves, walking proud & alterna. All were before gaga.

Weird/out there fashion before gaga..



pepper 25th March 2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 2291403)
oh man this thread got interesting very fast woot
power of trolling

then we get rickrolled and everything will be crushed down!

TITANIC 25th March 2010 12:59 AM

Well, I think Its bit weird she used strange outfits like Gaga at this time. she's like following gaga. its been so long she never wore strange outfit like she wore in SLT.
but now she comes back again and unfortunately Gaga at her peak brings all the impact

relmy 25th March 2010 01:01 AM

I kinda thought the point was to look like Lady Gaga.

It's obviously a parody of her style, like Starin' was a parody.

amorphose 25th March 2010 01:14 AM

I don't think Lady GaGa is copying Ayumi and I don't think Ayumi is copying Lady GaGa. If either of them is copying ANYONE, it's Madonna, but I'd like to think their both just drawing a bit of inspiration here and there from VARIOUS artists and other places.

If you wanna get technical-- Ayumi started doing this weird "avant-garde" thing around 1999 when the kanariya single was released (and has continued to use it off and on ever since.) She actually used elements of it even prior to that, but let's just say she started in 1999. GaGa was 13 then, so... Yeah.

colleenxduh 25th March 2010 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by relmy (Post 2291434)
I kinda thought the point was to look like Lady Gaga.

It's obviously a parody of her style, like Starin' was a parody.

Didnt she say somewhere that there were a bunch of famous people in it?
I think the video is a parody too, that might or might not be pointing towards Gaga..idk about that

I dont mind people having their own opinions about things but when i have to read 6 pages of a thread in the news section about Gaga vs. Ayu its kind of annoying, plus all the actual news gets lost. :rolleyes

I personally didnt think of Gaga at all when i watched the preview, I honestly just thought of Ayu, this MV looks like something she would do even if Gaga didnt exist

truehappiness 25th March 2010 01:24 AM

There are a bunch of professionals / models in it.

(The people on instruments = professionals at playing their instruments, I guess, and the models are actual models that work in the industry.)

As for the outfits, a lot of them have been worn by GaGa, or at least she has also worn stuff from the same collections. But this is mostly because both Ayu and GaGa chose to use the best British designers when choosing fashion designers... it's more that Ayu and GaGa probably have similar tastes in avant garde fashion and that's why things kind of seem strange.

I think this is Ayu's first time venturing into the world of "fashion" in a PV, haha. (wearing designer outfits and etc. anyway)

Anna Willow 25th March 2010 01:26 AM

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If you wanna get technical-- Ayumi started doing this weird "avant-garde" thing around 1999 when the kanariya single was released (and has continued to use it off and on ever since.) She actually used elements of it even prior to that, but let's just say she started in 1999. GaGa was 13 then, so... Yeah.
This.

colleenxduh 25th March 2010 01:29 AM

^ Ohh I thought she meant that either A.) she was gonna play dress-up :P or B.) There would be a few models/musicians that you could automatically go "I know them!"
But then of course the MV would cost sooo much to make, so i kind of doubted B.

Lauren 25th March 2010 01:37 AM

Quite honestly, I find it annoying that Ayumi and Lady GaGa have been compared so much, and that also goes for any other artist out there who came out before Lady GaGa did. I don't deny Ayumi has a similar style to Lady GaGa in Sexy Little Things, but really? It's not like everything is 100% original anymore, down to outfits, filming locations, etc.

zoomzoom 25th March 2010 01:38 AM

Ladies Night not weird on the level of GaGa? If anything, I think it's weirder than anything GaGa has done ever.

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2291453)
it's more that Ayu and GaGa probably have similar tastes in avant garde fashion and that's why things kind of seem strange.

I think this is more true than anything.

truehappiness 25th March 2010 01:44 AM

For some specific examples of Ayu using similar outfits once worn by GaGa (not saying she's copying again... similar fashion taste is more what this is imo.):
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2...lielemindu.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6...echarliele.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8...3b1adygaga.jpg

(This was covered in pleather it looks like for the PV...)

xLitax 25th March 2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii (Post 2291354)
examples please?

Have you ever watched an Ayu concert?

PoetGirl 25th March 2010 01:49 AM

brainwashed people

couldnt care less

truehappiness 25th March 2010 01:51 AM

Looking back at a bunch of editorials from last year, many of the designers who Ayu used had pieces in Vogues all across the world and Harper's Bazaar too. (Most notably McQueen's Horn of Plenty collection from Fall 2009... so many of the black and white houndstooth pieces in magazines!) Couldn't Ayu, you know, have been browsing fashion magazines/lookbooks like any other person interested in fashion would do? Haha.

minkAYuko 25th March 2010 02:14 AM

I don't care to elaborate much more than this, because, ppl who see gaga even in their soup just won't be open for debate.

Like this comment I read in youtube, in a MARIA CALLAS clip, where this user said that while watching maria callas reminded him about people not accepting that gaga can sing????, something scary like that!!. I even remember here in ahs there was a thread about that too comparing opera singers to gaga, I don't know how that ended.

anyway, So if there are ppl who can't accept that there are many ways to go around this ayu-vs-gaga-fashion-fight, they should not get into a debate.

Ayumiko 25th March 2010 02:15 AM

Its kinda annoying to see all the lady gaga comparisons when ayu did weird stuff way before when gaga was around. Its just that for the past 2 years or so ayu's been doing 'normal' stuff while gaga got famous with all her weird stuff.

With the SLT pv, they both just chose and wore the outfits from the same designers. I think ayu wore the outfits in SLT pv very tastefully (not trashy) and artistically.

FuNsTyLe 25th March 2010 02:18 AM

Sorry to say, but this PV is pretty much Gaga copied to the bone. Seriously, she didn't just take some inspiration from Gaga, she did more. Her hand motions around the face, her robotic-movements, the costumes, shoes, everyhting is exactly like Lady Gaga's style.
How can you guys even argue with that?

And I don't believe it's a parody, if, however it actually turns out to be a parody, stated by Ayu herself, then I'll eat my words up. I highly doubt it though. It started with Sparkle, a bit Gaga-ish, and now this is even more Gaga-ish. She definately likes Gaga.

So now ya'll know how those Jolin fans feel whenever she does something Ayu has done :P

However (yeah, there's a good thing) the song is hot! I love it! Innovative, funky and original. Good! :)

truehappiness 25th March 2010 02:24 AM

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Sorry to say, but this PV is pretty much Gaga copied to the bone. Seriously, she didn't just take some inspiration from Gaga, she did more. Her hand motions around the face, her robotic-movements, the costumes, shoes, everyhting is exactly like Lady Gaga's style.
How can you guys even argue with that?
I don't know, Ayu was doing a "artful/fashionable" thing with this PV and chose to focus on London designers. I think that GaGa's style is basically anything and everything avant garde, so no matter how "unique" something is, it seems like someone will always trace it back to GaGa as she's worn just about everything from Paris/Milan/London/graduate shows around the world. She put Rachel Barrett(?) on the map with her silicone rubber collection after all, haha.

I think even if GaGa hadn't come around or w/e, Ayu would still have done this PV and people wouldn't be pointing fingers at Ayu/GaGa.

It's like... Ayu has worn designer outfits since she became famous. She wears McQueen, Balenciaga, D&G/Dolce&Gabbana, Dior, Chanel, and other designer outfits quite regularly. Why is it so out there to think that the fashion was mainly her idea? Also, some of the Gareth Pugh works that were worn in the PV were never touched by GaGa, haha.

kagami 25th March 2010 02:31 AM

You can't say that she definitely loves Gaga. You don't know that. And Ayu has had weird robotic movements in her videos before.

Honestly, when I saw the preview what came to mind was Ayu meets McQueen with a splash of Shiina Ringo.

I don't have anything against Gaga but she has certainly done a good job in brainwashing people into thinking that anything high fashion/weird is her.

love in music 25th March 2010 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe (Post 2291494)
Sorry to say, but this PV is pretty much Gaga copied to the bone. Seriously, she didn't just take some inspiration from Gaga, she did more. Her hand motions around the face, her robotic-movements, the costumes, shoes, everyhting is exactly like Lady Gaga's style.
How can you guys even argue with that?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm no.
So GaGa invented random hand movements? Ayu has been doing those for years. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your post or not, it really seems like it because it's so ridiculous.

kagami 25th March 2010 02:34 AM

^ LOl, so true. Ayu's hand movements are notorious!

spanishfan 25th March 2010 02:37 AM

FuNsTyLe, Ayu copied Monica Naranjo in Sobreviviré with Sparkle see the purple outfit


:innocent it's simmilar, isn't?

Zeke. 25th March 2010 02:37 AM

Ugh, I already stated my points in the album information thread. But I'll try and paraphrase...

Slt definitely looks GaGa-ish to me. This does not mean Ayu is copying. Or that GaGa is queen/God. Or that Ayu is trash for having similarities.

I hated the comparisons at first, but this PV is more GaGa than anything else she's done that has brought up comparisons. I will not deny it, and actually seeing more people continue to deny it just sounds ridiculous.

Yes, Ayu is her own. GaGa is her own. They both have been inspired by different/maybe perhaps some of the same things. But any (non-biased) non-Ayu fan would totally say this looks like GaGa.

Cherry Dynamite 25th March 2010 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe (Post 2291494)
It started with Sparkle, a bit Gaga-ish, )

How can Ayu copied Sparkle from Gaga? We all know Kazu was inspired by a p*** film. I didn't even think Gaga when I saw Sparkle.

Crystal_Ageha 25th March 2010 02:43 AM

^ That's the stupidest thing--Sparkle = GaGa?? Holy crap, now we're just being retarded. The only thing in that PV that reminded me of anybody else was, her hair looked like Kuu's in ECSTACY, lol.


After finally getting to see the PV, it is extremely "GaGa-ish". However, she's using the same fashion designers. And who are these designers? Well, I know McQueen is English/British, and she obviously has a whole England/U.K. thing going on this year, so no wonder she would choose him. If anything, Ayu is just copying the fashion world, and so is GaGa.
This is a little different than other 'weird' things she's done before, but not completely off. Somebody put up A MUSEUM and that kiss 'o kill performance. Those and Sparkle, especially, have similar choices, just not so fashion runway extreme. But it's certainly the same idea.
Either way, I don't like it. At all. I think it looks ridiculous on Ayu, on GaGa, and on the many other celebrities who have gone down similar paths. I wish I never had to look at any of it, is all I know for sure.

truehappiness 25th March 2010 02:45 AM

McQueen is (was, bless his soul) based in London, as are Gareth Pugh and Charlie Le Mindu. She's also wearing various designers in the album cover.

I don't think this is different from her other "weird" stuff before, haha. Ladies Night and ourselves were WAY weirder. This is like fashionable weird, which seems to have been brought into the spotlight by GaGa.

Aisha_Angel 25th March 2010 02:52 AM

Umm I don't even see where the Gaga-references stem from.

This video is nothing like Lady Gaga's style in music/fashion in any way. It's just zany and fashion-forward. Nothing more and nothing less.

Tony G 25th March 2010 03:28 AM

There's a fine line between "inspiration" and "copy"

You'd be hard pressed to argue that a lot of today's pop singers haven't been inspired by Lady GaGa's look, image, sound and success. Everyone's going to be compared to her for many years to come, that's the kind of impact she's had on the music industry.

BUT - anything left-of-centre is now being associated with gaga, and that any artist who does something a little out of the ordinary is being called a gaga copy, which is stupid. Gaga has brought "different" to the mainstream, and a lot of artists are following that lead. That's inspiration, and really, there's nothing wrong with that. Its not copying.

Ayu has always worn pretty weird outfits as well, gaga didn't invent that. Its been done. Gaga's just taken it to an extreme no other pop star has before. And its not like we're going to see Ayu dressed like that everywhere she goes, in every performance and every video. She'd be copying then.

Andrenekoi 25th March 2010 03:52 AM

This is the big problem on having a forum filled with teenagers xD

First of all, even if Ayu does look like Gaga on the video, this is only the outfits... the general direction and art-direction are not even similar... The only similarity between both videos is the outfits

2nd, people need to chill down... Gaga is bigger than Ayu, and reach more people now than Ayu ever will... Of course she is going the be seen as the "original" one

3rd... There isn't a magical box called "strangeness" where every strange aesthetical choice fits... You can be strange on several different ways

4rd... Every female pop singer with a fashion oriented image has used some avant gard outfits...

5th... about ero-kakkoii... people, stop feeding the troll

asmAyumi1992 25th March 2010 04:15 AM

Ah.. urm.. just stopping by.. but I don't think Ayu copied Gaga. But I do think that Gaga is inspired by Ayu. This is just what I think of. No need to firing me please.

There's some reason I say that. The name of Lady Gaga always reminds me of Ladies Night and B&D. Then, the debut song, Poker Face (But this title is used by many artists), similar to AYu also. And the weird fashion also, I think she inspired by Ayu.

Because of she's an American, she change the style more to the American style. But still, Ayu is not the one copying Gaga, but Gaga who's the one inspired by Ayu, imo.

tetsuo69 25th March 2010 04:16 AM

i dunno but ayu been know for doing weird pvs, this is nothing new.

microphone 25th March 2010 04:20 AM

people who say she is copying lady gaga are americans who do not know Ayumi well. Lady GaGa is so popular in america right now.

of course, they don't know Ayumi has been doing it for many years. her strange fashion, funny hand movements, and all those things! they simply don't know.

Andrenekoi 25th March 2010 04:36 AM

Just for fun, some people being strange way before Gaga :B

Spoiler:


All of those looks where used before Gaga was famous

Ayumi27 25th March 2010 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by minkAYuko (Post 2291489)
I don't care to elaborate much more than this, because, ppl who see gaga even in their soup just won't be open for debate.

Like this comment I read in youtube, in a MARIA CALLAS clip, where this user said that while watching maria callas reminded him about people not accepting that gaga can sing????, something scary like that!!. I even remember here in ahs there was a thread about that too comparing opera singers to gaga, I don't know how that ended.

anyway, So if there are ppl who can't accept that there are many ways to go around this ayu-vs-gaga-fashion-fight, they should not get into a debate.


:thud:thud:thud
"La Divina" Maria Callas compared to Lady GaGa??? :thud

Gosh, I don't know where music right now is heading then
Gaga has some catchy music but she's just the artist of the minute

And about the "copying"... Yeah, Ayu seems to be inspired by the Gaga-McQueen team, still, those claiming Gaga is original, creative or whatever, really need some fashion, music and stage history :rolleyes

Yumsushi 25th March 2010 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by spanishfan (Post 2291503)
FuNsTyLe, Ayu copied Monica Naranjo in Sobreviviré with Sparkle see the purple outfit


:innocent it's simmilar, isn't?

I think I just had a near death experience watching this, and at the end of this the purple pleather suit wasn't even similar (and its not like Ayu even invented that kind of get up anyhow). You were kidding right? cause if not you need your eyes checked.

Anyhow, I find this whole comparison laughable. Pretty soon people will say that Gaga inspired anything Avant Garde and the Fashionista George Micheal Videos of the 90s (wearing Linda Evangilista's outfit in her Paparazzi video). There are far too many instances and similarities discrediting Gaga of her originality.

♥Rain 25th March 2010 04:46 AM

the video looks, obviously, fashion inspired. everything fashion doesn't = gaga.

anyway i dont see why its such a shock when people read others' comments that accuse ayu of copying. its not the 1st time and i doubt it'll be the last. arent there a ton of ayu PVs that were accused of copying jennifer lopez, madonna, britney etc before? lol just let it go

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Originally Posted by GRACE (Post 2291381)
I think it's amazing tbh, it's hugely artistic, it's the kinda thing GaGa would do, if you knwo the first thing about why GaGa does what she does. it's also better then anything Kuu's done ever

i'm sorry but that is just immature and childish to bring kumi into this & bash her for no reason and on such a subjective matter as that :no

Ayumi_Hamasaki902 25th March 2010 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ♥pepicolada (Post 2291345)

^This

taskinillusion 25th March 2010 05:00 AM

Gaga is big right now and everyone knows her for her crazy fashion, so when they see Ayu dressed up similarly, it only makes sense that they're going to think "Lady Gaga!" Even I did that when I first saw the PV preview. It's really not a big deal to me. People are always going to compare stuff.

ayu99persen 25th March 2010 05:10 AM

Thaks andrenekoi.that pict explain everything....

fashion can be avant garde,minimalist,cute,glamour,freak,hard core,*****y?,gothic? electric,robotique,retro,atomic (lol) and what so-called whatsoever...
so... i think Ayu choose avant garde this time after she ever wear all themes,remember ura ayu? i think its kinda freaky and weird too.

what about daybreak?

how could be sparkle compared to lady gagaishme? ck ck ck.

what about bjork? kylie minogue? they seem wear a weird fashion too (sometimes)

i think Ayu is copy fashion.not that GAGA or what so-called whatsoever.

jolin is copy ayu's theme.and everyone's theme.wkwkwkkw

a_kingdom21 25th March 2010 05:13 AM

this make me laugh,,,,

ayu has been popular since she is always do weired thing in fashion,,,,

one things which droves ayu popularity on her golden era was her silly uniqe n weired fashion taste,,,,that day gaga was "anyone",,,,,

dont forget about URAAYU,,,,,,,,,,,,shes horrible on that photobook,,,,,
if u want to watch ayu weired fashion try to waatch her live performance in 1999-2003...
she used to make any weired things,,,,

LacusClyne 25th March 2010 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone (Post 2291602)
people who say she is copying lady gaga are americans who do not know Ayumi well. Lady GaGa is so popular in america right now.

of course, they don't know Ayumi has been doing it for many years. her strange fashion, funny hand movements, and all those things! they simply don't know.

Well gaga is big everwhere, not just US.

While ayu is big in japan, her terrority is smaller compare to gaga. Even in Asia countries like Taiwan, Singapore n china, gaga is more well known. Even my friend who is a gaga n joilin fan, found the styles in SLT similar to gaga, n she too thought ayu is copying, so wat rights does ayu fans have to bash jolin. . .

So I end up showing her the older ayu Pv, ourselves, real me, SURREAL n of coz the TA post that ayu posted of her in the wacky white hair photoshoots years ago. Only then, she slighty accept that ayu do have those wacky ideas before, but why is ayu suddenly coming back with those ideas just when haga's style is so recognize? She's implying that this is a sales trick to get more notice n promotion for her album.

Oh well..... I'll just wait till the album n pv is out, then see if there's any news articles about ayu vs gaga.

Coelacanth 25th March 2010 05:24 AM

GaGa raised the bar for creativity in mainstream pop music. That's all I'll give her credit for. Of course there's going to be other female singers trying to keep up with her or outdo her. But as GaGa-inspired as Sparkle/Sexy little things may be... they're not GaGa to the point of pretentiousness. GaGa's peak has already passed, IMO. People already expect wayyyyy too much of her, and she's barely even released two albums. Eventually, people won't be surprised by anything she does.

minkAYuko 25th March 2010 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2291621)
Just for fun, some people being strange way before Gaga :B

Spoiler:


All of those looks where used before Gaga was famous

All so true, and that's just a very few. I'll add Marylin Manson too! from the "mechanical Animals" album era.

BTW bit off topic (Sorry!) That image of mylene where did it come from?

Andrenekoi 25th March 2010 05:44 AM

^from here


ren0210989 25th March 2010 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by identity (Post 2291352)
I'm so sick of comparisons with GaGa. I kind of get it if some artist is just starting to do weird things after GaGa came out, like Rihanna.. but Ayu has always been really ****ing weird, even before GaGa came out

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Originally Posted by oneheart (Post 2291363)
the problem is, anything that is avant-guard is considered Gaga. She is a big star who heavily relies on this sort of fashion, so people associate Gaga with avant-guard fashion. and anyone who does it: ZOMG it's so gagalicious.

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Originally Posted by amorphose (Post 2291446)
If you wanna get technical-- Ayumi started doing this weird "avant-garde" thing around 1999 when the kanariya single was released (and has continued to use it off and on ever since.) She actually used elements of it even prior to that, but let's just say she started in 1999. GaGa was 13 then, so... Yeah.

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Originally Posted by xLitax (Post 2291473)
Have you ever watched an Ayu concert?

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Originally Posted by kagami (Post 2291498)
You can't say that she definitely loves Gaga. You don't know that. And Ayu has had weird robotic movements in her videos before.

Honestly, when I saw the preview what came to mind was Ayu meets McQueen with a splash of Shiina Ringo.

I don't have anything against Gaga but she has certainly done a good job in brainwashing people into thinking that anything high fashion/weird is her.


all of this.
nothing less, nothing more.

minkAYuko 25th March 2010 05:51 AM

@Andrenekoi 10x! lovely pv.

microphone 25th March 2010 05:58 AM

well, kagami, Lady Gaga is not the one who is accusing Ayumi of anything. It is her ignorant fans.

Zeke. 25th March 2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone (Post 2291700)
well, kagami, Lady Gaga is not the one who is accusing Ayumi of anything. It is her ignorant fans.

I am not an ignorant fan of GaGa. I don't even know if I would call myself a fan. I'm a fan of her music, not really a fan of her though. I'm just an un-biased Ayu fan. Seriously, there is not a day that goes by that I do not think about Ayu. I'm amazed by her aura, her beauty, her talent, her music, her voice, her eyes, her hair, her skin, her clothes... just everything. I pretty much would do anything in the name of Ayumi Hamasaki. But this video looks GaGa-ish. Not a bad thing. Just saying. You can't say that it doesn't look GaGa-ish, just a teeny tiny little bit?

kagami 25th March 2010 06:09 AM

It looks Gaga-ish in the sense that it's weird and fashion-centric, yeah. But some people make it out like Ayu is ripping off Gaga's style when she isn't even the one who designs a lot of her outfits (Gaga that is).

To me it really seems like Ayu is just revisitting things from her past, as she said she was doing.

I wouldn't even be surprised if Ayu knows next to nothing about Gaga. She doesn't seem to pay that much attention to the music industry, ha ha.

emi♡ 25th March 2010 06:18 AM

um no. Sorry.

I don't really agree with anyone's points of view except for the fact that Ayu didn't copy Gaga.

A lot of the assumptions about Ayu from the Gaga stans pov is retarded, and a lot of the assumptions about Gaga from the Ayu stans pov is retarded.

perfectodub 25th March 2010 06:24 AM

GaGa is nothing new...just madonna music couple with Bjork videos

madonna + Bjork = GaGa

SURREAL__RAINBOW 25th March 2010 06:25 AM

URGH Gaga copied ayu:

Lady GAGA ---> bold & delicious gagagaga part
poker face ---> ayu's first single :/




^shouldnt be this way around?? seriously...



if lady gaga wasnt famous right now people would still be comparing ayu to madonna :/


so meh

Foyuki 25th March 2010 06:26 AM

okay
the time I saw it is written director-XXX(also directed Ladies Night.)
I won't consider that too much to TIE UP Lady GaGa.
As GaGa has become a "shocking style icon".this is hard to avoid.
I can just understand in one way
ayu's is not another copy in Sexy little things
But her actresses and actors in her PV is.
This condition resembles Ladies Night.

jbrat2219 25th March 2010 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 2291706)
But this video looks GaGa-ish. Not a bad thing. Just saying. You can't say that it doesn't look GaGa-ish, just a teeny tiny little bit?

Personally as a fan of both, I have to say no. Gaga never crossed my mind at all. I don't think it looks Gaga-ish in the least bit.

Zeke. 25th March 2010 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2291739)
Personally as a fan of both, I have to say no. Gaga never crossed my mind at all. I don't think it looks Gaga-ish in the least bit.

OMG, I give up :shakehead. Lol.
I wish the situation would have went like this:

AHS Member #1: "Hey this kind of reminds me of GaGa!"
AHS Members: "Yeah, it reminds me too"
AHS Members: "Cool, Ayu is great!"

The end. Lol.

Seeing the preview just brings up GaGa in my head. Not copying. Not stealing. Not plagiarizing. Just reminding.

xLitax 25th March 2010 06:47 AM

^ And we're all entitled to different opinions. :D I honestly, didn't even think of tra-- "GaGa" at all.

Zeke. 25th March 2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xLitax (Post 2291778)
^ And we're all entitled to different opinions. :D I honestly, didn't even think of tra-- "GaGa" at all.

Yes, I must say I hate when other members go and bash people for having opinions. But to me it seems like the only reason people are saying it isn't GaGa is because they feel it's what they have to say to defend Ayumi. GaGa similarities does not mean Ayu is a terrible person and artist and unoriginal. I think that's what everyone is taking it as and that is not what I'm saying at all.

emi♡ 25th March 2010 06:54 AM

The relationship that Alexander McQueen has with Gaga is bound to circulate when people see other artists using his specific designs in their productions.

It's not rocket science.

I personally thought of him and his collection when I first saw the outfits.

That's my pov since I pay attention to fashion. Other people will see other things, other people will see complete originality.


In any sense, people saying Ayu copied = stupid. People insulting Gaga because they think she's overrated = just as stupid.

chloeM 25th March 2010 07:04 AM

i know comparison will make someone better... but don't create haters~

SURREAL__RAINBOW 25th March 2010 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2291791)

In any sense, people saying Ayu copied = stupid. People insulting Gaga because they think she's overrated = just as stupid.


:yes


this comment should end this thread for good

AyUta 25th March 2010 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2291791)
The relationship that Alexander McQueen has with Gaga is bound to circulate when people see other artists using his specific designs in their productions.

It's not rocket science.

I personally thought of him and his collection when I first saw the outfits.

That's my pov since I pay attention to fashion. Other people will see other things, other people will see complete originality.


In any sense, people saying Ayu copied = stupid. People insulting Gaga because they think she's overrated = just as stupid.

Couldn't agree more.

Kingdom 25th March 2010 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2291737)


if lady gaga wasnt famous right now people would still be comparing ayu to madonna :/


so meh

true words

Crystal_Ageha 25th March 2010 07:35 AM

I hate how a few people are saying that GaGa is already bigger than Ayumi. C'mon now, really? This is GaGa's peak, and it's not as big as Ayu's was. Also, do you really think GaGa will still be going strong in another decade? No way.
There's no reason at all for people to be trying to claim she's already more successful.

Kingdom 25th March 2010 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha (Post 2291838)
I hate how a few people are saying that GaGa is already bigger than Ayumi. C'mon now, really? This is GaGa's peak, and it's not as big as Ayu's was. Also, do you really think GaGa will still be going strong in another decade? No way.
There's no reason at all for people to be trying to claim she's already more successful.

ayumi is not a worldwide sensation and she wasn't at her peak. she is mainly famous throughout asia. lady gaga has touched all over the world and has many worldwide number one hits. that's why people say lady gaga is bigger than ayumi.

perfectodub 25th March 2010 08:07 AM

Lady GaGa is famous worldwide not only because her talent ..is famous becase she belong to the USA music indutry..and USA industry have the money and the power to make any kind of artist (trash or not) famous in a worldwide way, the same with the movies, the same with clothes...etc.

RocknRoll 25th March 2010 08:08 AM

You can say what you want, but that Ayu is using some exact same outfits as GaGa (like the X-factor Bad Romance outfit) is pretty lame IMO. There are so many outfits out there, use some other ones. The red skinny dress thing is amazing, use more original ones like those.

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ 25th March 2010 08:10 AM

oh.. haters.. o.O

but yeah, I said "Oh, Ayu's copying GaGa" but in a very good way, because I love them both and I thought it will be fun if ayu is GaGa's fan~ :yes

but then again, maybe it's just the trend, the designer.... whatever~

i think it's just the fashion of 2010~ :thud

FREAKY but AWESOME! :heart :luv2

I :heart love it! A LOT..

SKYia 25th March 2010 08:13 AM

I guess people compare them not because the PV itself is weird. To ma Lady GaGa represents costumes that don't fit, oversized, non-standard, plastic, etc, they seem like those first future-like costumes from the 70's. Even though Ayu had some huge dresses they were always exaggerated but in normal standards and looking good. Now I look at Sexy Little Things PV and I don't see Ayu style weird clothes, but typically GaGa style weird clothes: they are too huge, distort the silhouette and go with hairstyle that is looking far too fake (I'm thinking about the black & white clothes with pony tail from the PV).

I don't mind reviving some styles from the past, but I don't like it when two or more stars do it at the same time, why did she have to do it right now when GaGa is already doing it too? Because it's popular, "people like it at the moment, so let's do it" kind of thinking.

ownsarai 25th March 2010 08:21 AM

I don't think Ayu is copying. So what if she happens to use outfits from a few FAMOUS designers? That makes her a copycat? Ayu did weird stuff/make up/clothing/PV's way before GAGA was around. People need to realize this. I've said this before. Obviously people are going to beat this into the freaking ground.

Crystal_Ageha 25th March 2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by perfectodub (Post 2291867)
Lady GaGa is famous worldwide not only because her talent ..is famous becase she belong to the USA music indutry..and USA industry have the money and the power to make any kind of artist (trash or not) famous in a worldwide way, the same with the movies, the same with clothes...etc.

This. It's only because the U.S. shoves everything they produce in everybody's face. It's hard not to have at least heard her name whenever they try hard as they can to toss it into every media around the world. If GaGa came from Japan, she would have never gotten to be one tenth as popular as she is now, and comparing her to Ayu would be like comparing......Ne-Yo to Michael Jackson. (Random, I know, sorry. >_>)
Japan not only doesn't care about making it outside of the country, but they often even don't want to. Ayumi obviously doesn't care about making it out of Asia, and we know she'd be fine if she was only known in Japan. But despite all that, she has tens, maybe even hundreds, of thousands of Westerners, alone, who know her name. That's a very impressive accomplishment, something that GaGa could only dream of achieving.


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