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thesweetseason 3rd February 2018 12:15 AM

Hello! I have problems!

All the drop down menus are the same, like number of tickets and months. The tickets are sold at 4 max... but my birthday is April! It's not accepting "predetermined ticket amount reached" as my month of birth and there is no 4... Birthdays have to match, don't they?

kinix 3rd February 2018 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thesweetseason (Post 3262648)
Hello! I have problems!

All the drop down menus are the same, like number of tickets and months. The tickets are sold at 4 max... but my birthday is April! It's not accepting "predetermined ticket amount reached" as my month of birth and there is no 4... Birthdays have to match, don't they?

Max is 4 tix per ballot.
I used the "predetermined" option as 4 for my credit card mth but it worked. Did u try submitting the option?

truehappiness 3rd February 2018 01:13 AM

Has Ayu ever done Budokan before? I don't recall it.

Evan Odinson 3rd February 2018 01:44 AM

Wish I could go but I'm broke af :( have fun y'all :love

hayasaki 3rd February 2018 04:01 AM

Anyone else applied for Nagoya show? :D

alternarist 3rd February 2018 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kinix (Post 3262126)
Show off!!! :D:D:D

I shall cancel my TA reservations for you HAHA!

EDIT: I am aiming for the 22 Jul concert

kinix 3rd February 2018 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 3262656)
I shall cancel my TA reservations for you HAHA!

EDIT: I am aiming for the 22 Jul concert

:no :no :no :no

AyuWorld 3rd February 2018 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3262650)
Has Ayu ever done Budokan before? I don't recall it.

no

MissElin_ 3rd February 2018 04:10 PM

Just got MW on my playlist and it hit me it's actually been ten years... Where did the time go? Will we get this kind of epic song for the 20th as well? What do you guess guys?

RealLight 3rd February 2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 3262714)
Just got MW on my playlist and it hit me it's actually been ten years... Where did the time go? Will we get this kind of epic song for the 20th as well? What do you guess guys?

Nah

takamioda 3rd February 2018 06:02 PM

Only Saitama and Miyagi are Arena, right? Remaining places are Hall?

~angel*ayumi~ 3rd February 2018 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by takamioda (Post 3262720)
Only Saitama and Miyagi are Arena, right? Remaining places are Hall?

It´s Arena Tour, all are Arena.
Osaka Jo Hall for example might be called hall but it´s an Arena sized venue. it holds up to 16k

ren0210989 3rd February 2018 07:55 PM

Anyone going to the first 2 dates in Saitama? :)

kendelle 4th February 2018 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by voltron (Post 3262591)
It's basically her shortest tour, and ending so early in the year for an anniversary year. I'm wondering if she'll do another TA tour after, or a hall tour.

It's also hot off the heels of her longest tour ever. She might have another small tour planned for later in the year so I wouldn't panic about it.

AJFmzk 4th February 2018 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hayasaki (Post 3262654)
Anyone else applied for Nagoya show? :D

Yep! I applied to Nagoya and Fukuoka!

Jenji 4th February 2018 03:01 AM

just applied for the final day in Osaka. Fingers crossed that we all get our tickets.

Looking forward to see Ayu soon in Aomori, can't wait. Is anyone else going to the Aomori concert on the 12th? So maybe we can meet up before or afterwards.

takamioda 4th February 2018 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ~angel*ayumi~ (Post 3262722)
It´s Arena Tour, all are Arena.
Osaka Jo Hall for example might be called hall but it´s an Arena sized venue. it holds up to 16k

Thank you!! So I will choose Osaka 1st concert. Hopefully I could the ticket. 1st time to Japan.

MissElin_ 4th February 2018 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayasaki (Post 3262654)
Anyone else applied for Nagoya show? :D

I did! For the first one.

hayasaki 4th February 2018 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJFmzk (Post 3262751)
Yep! I applied to Nagoya and Fukuoka!

Yay!!! Let us know if you got tickets :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 3262768)
I did! For the first one.

Yass! I chose the first show too! So there'd be no work the next day we can eat somewhere after the show LOL crossfingers I hope to get better seats this time

AJFmzk 4th February 2018 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hayasaki (Post 3262769)
Yay!!! Let us know if you got tickets :D

For sure! I applied for the Sunday show. Lol I'm actually going to be in Japan when the results are announced and I'm going to have to try and figure out a second visit for this PoM tour. Here's hoping we all get our requested tickets!

pedronekoi 4th February 2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 3262591)
The spacing of this tour is just so odd. I wonder if it's related to her hearing, to give her more time between shows? I'm getting less and less confident there will be any back fill dates, and I'm even doubting if she'll add any additional ones to the end at all.

It's basically her shortest tour, and ending so early in the year for an anniversary year. I'm wondering if she'll do another TA tour after, or a hall tour.

Edit: For comparison sake, what I could find:
2010 - RnR Circus: 34 shows
2011 - PoM: 26 shows
2012 - HLS: 28 shows
2013 - A Best Live: 28 shows
2014 - Premium Showcase: 11 shows
2015 - CdM: 22 shows
2016 - Made in Japan: 17 shows

I can't believe you're saying this. C'mon! She's just finishing a 60 dates tour and starting a new one just 2 months after!!

takamioda 4th February 2018 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayasaki (Post 3262654)
Anyone else applied for Nagoya show? :D

Sorry, there's Nagoya show? I don't see it in here http://avex.jp/ayu/news/detail.php?id=1058140. Am I wrong?

~angel*ayumi~ 4th February 2018 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takamioda (Post 3262788)
Sorry, there's Nagoya show? I don't see it in here http://avex.jp/ayu/news/detail.php?id=1058140. Am I wrong?

[April 21st / Aichi]
https://t.livepocket.jp/e/txd3p

[April 22nd / Aichi]
https://t.livepocket.jp/e/9-epg

Nagoya is in Aichi prefecture

the3ye 4th February 2018 01:52 PM

What happens if I apply for two dates and win both of them. Do I have to pay for both dates or can I choose one?

~angel*ayumi~ 4th February 2018 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the3ye (Post 3262790)
What happens if I apply for two dates and win both of them. Do I have to pay for both dates or can I choose one?

You credir card will be automaticly charged for both dates.

voltron 4th February 2018 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedronekoi (Post 3262784)
I can't believe you're saying this. C'mon! She's just finishing a 60 dates tour and starting a new one just 2 months after!!

Yes, a very long tour for her 19th anniversary. This is the actual 20th and for it to be so short just seems odd, unless she's planning something else. Even the 2015 & 2016 TA tours had more dates.

~angel*ayumi~ 4th February 2018 04:08 PM

Just 20 tour was some sort of a countdown towards her anniversary.


sooooo applied for both Saitama dates^^

roxaskh2fm 4th February 2018 05:56 PM

Done! Entered the Ishikawa/Kanazawa June 16th lottery!

Sky High 4th February 2018 06:05 PM

I would like to go, but I do not have time or money. Whoever goes to the concert, have a great time.

ayuuk 5th February 2018 01:45 AM

Quick question: for global TA, we won't know the seats until we pick up the tickets at the TA booth on the day of the show?

LOGMAN 5th February 2018 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuuk (Post 3262845)
Quick question: for global TA, we won't know the seats until we pick up the tickets at the TA booth on the day of the show?

Correct

Aderianu 6th February 2018 08:42 PM

Original POWER of MUSIC was perfection
Can you imagine it with frog, monkey and Timmy in ridiculous outfit? Completely destroed show. I'm so afraid that ayu will be ayu and do something that she always do

KittyKathy 6th February 2018 09:30 PM

^me too

Sky High 6th February 2018 11:29 PM

She needs new concept for PoM, it is better if she do something simple, none of those monkey/frog acrobatics will do justice.

SKYia 7th February 2018 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3263006)
Original POWER of MUSIC was perfection
Can you imagine it with frog, monkey and Timmy in ridiculous outfit? Completely destroed show. I'm so afraid that ayu will be ayu and do something that she always do

Timmy was already in the original PoM, just with better wig ;)

~angel*ayumi~ 7th February 2018 09:07 AM

Let´s wait and see^^
so or so it will be fantastic to see her on her anniversary no matter how much frogs there are xD

adrtwb 7th February 2018 01:51 PM

Inwonder if this tour will be using round stage or regular stage.

Gorgonia 7th February 2018 01:56 PM

The fact that it’s PoM doesn’t mean it has to be the same as the former one. We’re but speculating.

BabyJane 7th February 2018 02:18 PM

I don't get all the complaining about the acrobats being frogs, monkeys or Timmy and his outfits. It is and it probably will always be part of ayu's show. It's who she is and what she likes...

And if I remember correctly Timmy was decently dressed and had "normal" hair (his own and not a wig) at the original PoM!

pedronekoi 7th February 2018 02:32 PM

I really like the frogs, monkeys and Timmy in CdM. <3

Evan Odinson 7th February 2018 03:47 PM

^me too but those outfits really fitted the show, for TA tour 2015 ayu and her dancers were dressed pretty normal and timmy was wearing a leather brief (?) with half of his butt hanging out and high heels and it felt so out of place, specially when ayu was wearing the cute white dress and singing HEAVEN and he was right next to her looking all messy. I usually don't mind his costumes but I do think it depends of the performance, sometimes it give it a plus (like CdM) but some other times it doesn't.

Andrenekoi 7th February 2018 04:21 PM

How dare Ayu use acrobats on a circus themed tour and japanese folklore characters for a a japanese themed tour?!

Gustavopc 7th February 2018 05:36 PM

I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

hud 7th February 2018 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3263089)
How dare Ayu use acrobats on a circus themed tour and japanese folklore characters for a a japanese themed tour?!

yeah I kinda dissed her for it back in 2016 but I was CLUELESS. it fitted so well with the MIJ Tour. though I wish she'd never recycle all of these things she does every tour. clowns, folklore characters, acrobats... I guess she can always incorporate new things in a way of developing her dancers' presence. or not use some of them at all. (not saying she should fire the dancers, but maybe put some kind of performances on hold for a while?)

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Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3263098)
I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

tbh.

Andrenekoi 7th February 2018 06:08 PM

^The acrobats are most likely here to stay. The animals already weren't around during the last tour.

The circus thing is a part of her aesthetic at least since Concert Tour 2000 and I'm ok with that.

Uknow! 7th February 2018 06:33 PM

Do you think after 20th anniversary she will do acrobatics again?

I think she is not doing it right now because she hasn't time and for her knee plus ear.

hud 7th February 2018 06:33 PM

yeah even though she doesn't make it so evident every tour, she always incorporate circus things into her tours.

Andrenekoi 7th February 2018 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uknow! (Post 3263107)
Do you think after 20th anniversary she will do acrobatics again?

I think she is not doing it right now because she hasn't time and for her knee plus ear.

I don't know if she will be doing it (if it was as awesome as AT15 and the past CDL I'm in), but I bet there will be several numbers from her team.

Baco__ 8th February 2018 08:06 AM

I just noticed I posted the question in the wrong thread lol

anyway, guys, do you know when/if the general lottery is going to open? (I'm not part of TA)

Chris85 8th February 2018 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3262385)
I never really understood all the love like a doll is getting on AHS. I always thought it was a very average song. I’d like her to open with Song 4 u or something more explosive^^

Like a doll is a gem. Song 4 u has been performed several times and is getting old.


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Originally Posted by AJFmzk (Post 3262428)
That'd be so cool! A performance of still alone would be awesome. I'd love her to sing Daybreak again. I think the last time was Countdown Live 01-02 and it wasn't even on the DVD

Daybreak was performed in 2013, I uploaded the recording somewhere in the downloads section before.

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Originally Posted by kendelle (Post 3262279)
Also, I forgot to mention it earlier but there are gift boxes for Ayu and the dancers at this venue which I haven't heard of before. I'm giving her some chocolate from my home city today, so if anyone is coming from international locations you might want to drop in a souvenir!

Any food products will most likely be disposed of.
At least that's the policy in case of EXILE. Can't blame them, nobody wants food poisoning.

Chibi-Chan 8th February 2018 03:07 PM

Are there always gift boxes for Ayu and her dancers at the venue?

Yumsushi 8th February 2018 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ~angel*ayumi~ (Post 3262791)
You credir card will be automaticly charged for both dates.

Really? i had applied for 3 dates during the last TA tour, won all 3 but only paid for 2 out of the three dates. Is it different now?

~angel*ayumi~ 8th February 2018 08:34 PM

from official site
Quote:

*All fares will be automatically withdrawn by your credit card if you win the lottery.
*please be noticed that there is a possibility that you may win all of your requested tickets.
*No refund or claims are accepted.

Yumsushi 8th February 2018 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ~angel*ayumi~ (Post 3263204)
from official site

Damn! good thing i asked before applying. Thanks for the info

_dandy_ 8th February 2018 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3263098)
I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

Now why would anyone want to see that... :shakehead

Chris85 9th February 2018 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dandy_ (Post 3263213)
Now why would anyone want to see that... :shakehead

He's well built.

Zeke. 9th February 2018 09:53 AM

He practically is naked already in this tour. Only thing left to see is the dong and just cause he got a rippling set of washboard abs don’t need mean he got the hose to spray ‘em down. Lmao.

And if he does... well, maybe ayu can change things up this time around and do her acrobatics suspended from it.

kotora 9th February 2018 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3263098)
I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

I would love to see that. Glory time

njanjayrp 9th February 2018 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3263224)
He's well built.

So are nearly all her male dancers 😌

surrealA 9th February 2018 11:31 AM

Cant wait to see what Ayu brings for the new tour :love. Less than 2 months to go..

Andrenekoi 9th February 2018 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3263248)
So are nearly all her male dancers 😌

Not against they being naked either

Gustavopc 9th February 2018 12:46 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/U6iRWDcBFFK8M/giphy.gif

//ABEST 9th February 2018 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3263098)
I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

:yes i bet he is hot af without clothes :luv2 his tranny clothes make him look bad, he is handsome as he is

EndOfTheWorld 9th February 2018 03:15 PM

This thread is going downhill.:laugh:dead

Katsuyuki012 9th February 2018 03:17 PM

At least this wish of you all is most likely to be fulfilled to some extent. :-P

hud 9th February 2018 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3263264)
:yes i bet he is hot af without clothes :luv2 his tranny clothes make him look bad, he is handsome as he is

please don't use the word "tranny" it's so offensive. he makes DRAG. it's ART! :yes

but yeah I agree with you! I would really like to see him with a toned down outfit for a change. he's so talented - even doing drag, and I would love to see only his vocals shine so Ayu fans could be cool with him.

attractive nausea 9th February 2018 04:24 PM

^ I think japanese fans like Timmy already

_dandy_ 9th February 2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3263224)
He's well built.

Sure, but that's for a different show. Ayu isn't known for overly sexualized content (compared with other artists - especially some of the american ones, who are downright vulgar), and I don't think this is the place for it.

I'm no prude by any stretch. I just don't want to see Ayu concerts turning in a contest to see who the bigger skank is. :-p

Andrenekoi 9th February 2018 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dandy_ (Post 3263272)
Sure, but that's for a different show. Ayu isn't known for overly sexualized content (compared with other artists - especially some of the american ones, who are downright vulgar), and I don't think this is the place for it.

I'm no prude by any stretch. I just don't want to see Ayu concerts turning in a contest to see who the bigger skank is. :-p

Ayu's image is highly sexualized at least since Loveppears era, it's just not sexual on a western-like way. She isn't always having half naked/full naked photoshoots and wearing fetish outfits for tours just because it's fun :P This girl actually has a music video taken straigh out of fetish porn aesthetic.

Jolin Tsai even said once she didn't get the Ayu comparation because she wouldn't be able to put out things like a half naked covered only in leafs album cover.

EndOfTheWorld 9th February 2018 06:27 PM

Ayu, highly sexualized? I don't think so. I mean Ayu has worn some risque costumes and does sometimes get suggestive during live performances but that's about it. Nothing overtly sexual, and NOTHING compared to western artists. And yes Ayu has shown quite a bit of skin but there was nothing sexual about the Loveppears or I am covers.
As for Timmy, he has only cheapened the image of Ayu's live shows.

Andrenekoi 9th February 2018 07:09 PM

^Ayu's image is hughly sexualized for her culture. She is not trying to sell music in the US.

Different cultures find different ways to express sexuality interesting. You won't see anyone acting like a sexy western pop star in japanese porn, but you will find a lot of girls doing shit Ayu does

KittyKathy 9th February 2018 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3263283)
As for Timmy, he has only cheapened the image of Ayu's live shows.

I agree.

Her shows were fantastic and with good taste. The last show I really liked was PCDL 2008-2009. Shows from 2009 and 2010 were also good. :yes

njanjayrp 9th February 2018 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3263287)
^Ayu's image is hughly sexualized for her culture. She is not trying to sell music in the US.

Different cultures find different ways to express sexuality interesting. You won't see anyone acting like a sexy western pop star in japanese porn, but you will find a lot of girls doing shit Ayu does

You are talking about performances, a couple of pics and videos. I think “hugely sexualized” is over exaggerating it a bit in my opinion.

Amalgam 9th February 2018 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3263293)
You are talking about performances, a couple of pics and videos. I think “hugely sexualized” is over exaggerating it a bit in my opinion.

Maybe they’re exaggerating, but the impression that a few of these choices could make on the GP can’t be ignored either.

EndOfTheWorld 10th February 2018 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3263287)
^Ayu's image is hughly sexualized for her culture. She is not trying to sell music in the US.

Different cultures find different ways to express sexuality interesting. You won't see anyone acting like a sexy western pop star in japanese porn, but you will find a lot of girls doing shit Ayu does

Well I don't know much about Japanese porn so.:roflmao
I guess for a Japanese person she is. But to me not so much.
Quote:

Originally Posted by KittyKathy (Post 3263292)
I agree.

Her shows were fantastic and with good taste. The last show I really liked was PCDL 2008-2009. Shows from 2009 and 2010 were also good. :yes

I actually was watching Concert Tour 2000 and some old live performances the other day and I felt like Ayu's lives from the 2000s were more mature and focused on the music, especially the early 2000s. It made me really miss when it was Ayu and the band.

melissalove 10th February 2018 02:29 AM

^ Those were the days, the good old days.
Timmy hasn’t ruined her lives as much as those annoying acrobats have.

RealLight 10th February 2018 02:34 AM

y'all nasty

Andrenekoi 10th February 2018 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3263293)
You are talking about performances, a couple of pics and videos. I think “hugely sexualized” is over exaggerating it a bit in my opinion.

The thing is, it's not "a couple of pics and videos".

Ayu releases that either show nudity or fetish clothing or caused some level of controverse for being "too sexy":

Album covers:
Loveppears
Duty
I Am...
RAINBOW
My STORY
Party Queen

(some people did complain Sixxxxxx and A One covers were too sexy over here. MIJ actually can be understood as referencing fetish)

Single covers with nudity, fetisg wear/bikini shots:
Boys & Girls
appears
kanariya
H
Step you
Mirrorcle World

(but pretty much every summer single over is a shot of Ayu invitingly looking at the camera wearing swin wear)

PVs that references sexual behavior or shows her in underwear/fetish wear:
SURREAL
Because of You
STEP you
my name's WOMEN
Ladies Night
1LOVE
Mirrorcle World
Rule
Sparkle (this one actually is visually based on a bdsm porn movie)
XOXO
Warning
Sayonara

Tours with pole dancing or Ayu in fetish wear or underwear or sexual choreo:
TA Limited
AT05
AT07
AT08
AT09
AT10
AT12
PSC
AT15
JTB

(I'm not counting CDLs, A-Nations or TV because I can't remember them all. I'm also ignoring outfits that pretty much just showed lots of legs, boobs or belly, what would had made me include pretty much every concert she ever had).

I'm not counting her photoshots for magazines or photobooks, were you can actually find more bikini shots, more bdsm inspired looks, etc.

Ayu shows lots of skin. Much more than Hikki, Ai Otsuka, Namie Amuro, even if they sing openly about sex and Ayu doesn't. Her live performances also goes on a more sugestive route far more often.

She also most likely references BDSM and fetish as much as she references Circuses. Most of her "kawaii" performances are actually the ones she wears the less clothes and the sexy version of some innocent character. The kawaii performances from AT06, AT08, AT09, AT10, AT12 have Ayu pretty much dressed as a character from a hentai manga.

I'm sorry, but her image is VERY sexual, and it was since Loveppears. The reason she isn't western-popstarish sexy is because the fetishes and how a desireble woman is perceived in both cultures is largely different. What doesn't make it any less sexual.

Norrel 10th February 2018 06:36 AM

The T is hot tonight.

alternarist 10th February 2018 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustavopc (Post 3263098)
I hope Timmy goes full naked for PoM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dandy_ (Post 3263213)
Now why would anyone want to see that... :shakehead

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotora (Post 3263244)
I would love to see that. Glory time

I died. LOL!

njanjayrp 10th February 2018 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3263301)
The thing is, it's not "a couple of pics and videos".

Ayu releases that either show nudity or fetish clothing or caused some level of controverse for being "too sexy":

Album covers:
Loveppears
Duty
I Am...
RAINBOW
My STORY
Party Queen

(some people did complain Sixxxxxx and A One covers were too sexy over here. MIJ actually can be understood as referencing fetish)

Single covers with nudity, fetisg wear/bikini shots:
Boys & Girls
appears
kanariya
H
Step you
Mirrorcle World

(but pretty much every summer single over is a shot of Ayu invitingly looking at the camera wearing swin wear)

PVs that references sexual behavior or shows her in underwear/fetish wear:
SURREAL
Because of You
STEP you
my name's WOMEN
Ladies Night
1LOVE
Mirrorcle World
Rule
Sparkle (this one actually is visually based on a bdsm porn movie)
XOXO
Warning
Sayonara

Tours with pole dancing or Ayu in fetish wear or underwear or sexual choreo:
TA Limited
AT05
AT07
AT08
AT09
AT10
AT12
PSC
AT15
JTB

(I'm not counting CDLs, A-Nations or TV because I can't remember them all. I'm also ignoring outfits that pretty much just showed lots of legs, boobs or belly, what would had made me include pretty much every concert she ever had).

I'm not counting her photoshots for magazines or photobooks, were you can actually find more bikini shots, more bdsm inspired looks, etc.

Ayu shows lots of skin. Much more than Hikki, Ai Otsuka, Namie Amuro, even if they sing openly about sex and Ayu doesn't. Her live performances also goes on a more sugestive route far more often.

She also most likely references BDSM and fetish as much as she references Circuses. Most of her "kawaii" performances are actually the ones she wears the less clothes and the sexy version of some innocent character. The kawaii performances from AT06, AT08, AT09, AT10, AT12 have Ayu pretty much dressed as a character from a hentai manga.

I'm sorry, but her image is VERY sexual, and it was since Loveppears. The reason she isn't western-popstarish sexy is because the fetishes and how a desireble woman is perceived in both cultures is largely different. What doesn't make it any less sexual.

Wearing less clothing and taking nude pictures do not make someone’s image hugely sexualized. Imo it’s a very shallow way of thinking. Especially if someone thinks that just because her hands are tied with ropes it has something to do with a fetish while it actually might represent many different things related to the album title. I also cannot see why would anyone think that the I am... cover is about her being sexy lol The same goes for sixxxxxx. I am just not seeing it.

I’ll agree that a lot of performances and videos are. My standard for hugely sexualized is Koda Kumi who has passed the point of what I would call “good taste” a long time ago. On the other hand Otsuka and Hikki image wise fall into the category of “good Japanese girls” so I don’t really think they could even pull it off 🤣

AyuWorld 10th February 2018 10:41 AM

Leslie Kee is back for this tour. On Ayu’s Ig Story looked like they are shooting for something and that gives me vibes of Arena Tour 2002 theme with all those dancers, ayu wearing the same kimono in the Just The Beginning Tour which also reminds me Ayu-mix cover theme

tokyoxjapanxfan 10th February 2018 10:58 AM

Blah I was happy when Leslie was gone.
I really don't like his vibes.

I wonder if this tour will be Japanese themed again? Or completely unrelated?

Corvina 10th February 2018 11:00 AM

Maybe they're just shooting the cover for the DVD release?
Looks like that to me.

Katsuyuki012 10th February 2018 11:46 AM

People will be delighted to see Timmy in his costume posing there as well.

AyuWorld 10th February 2018 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan (Post 3263333)
Blah I was happy when Leslie was gone.
I really don't like his vibes.

I wonder if this tour will be Japanese themed again? Or completely unrelated?

yea I dont like Leslie because he reminds me of the drama with Mannie and most of his gay photoshoots with Ayu with all those male models during Party Queen era, thought they were ont in a good terms after that but then Ayu started using him again since 2015/2016

pedronekoi 10th February 2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3263334)
Maybe they're just shooting the cover for the DVD release?
Looks like that to me.

I thought the same! Looks like DVD cover or booklet.
I really like Leslie's work!

Chibi-Chan 10th February 2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3263327)
Wearing less clothing and taking nude pictures do not make someone’s image hugely sexualized. Imo it’s a very shallow way of thinking. Especially if someone thinks that just because her hands are tied with ropes it has something to do with a fetish while it actually might represent many different things related to the album title. I also cannot see why would anyone think that the I am... cover is about her being sexy lol The same goes for sixxxxxx. I am just not seeing it.

I’ll agree that a lot of performances and videos are. My standard for hugely sexualized is Koda Kumi who has passed the point of what I would call “good taste” a long time ago. On the other hand Otsuka and Hikki image wise fall into the category of “good Japanese girls” so I don’t really think they could even pull it off 🤣

I agree.
I don't think there is anything sexual about covers like LOVEppears, I am... or RAINBOW and I never thought of the ropes as a symbol for a fetish. There definetely are examples of Ayu being sexualised but a cover like RAINBOW or I am...? Nudity doesn't necessarily means "sexy" and imo sexualising bodies per se is kind of... strange?

hud 10th February 2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3263271)
^ I think japanese fans like Timmy already

AHS fans, lol

voltron 10th February 2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3263348)
I agree.
I don't think there is anything sexual about covers like LOVEppears, I am... or RAINBOW and I never thought of the ropes as a symbol for a fetish. There definetely are examples of Ayu being sexualised but a cover like RAINBOW or I am...? Nudity doesn't necessarily means "sexy" and imo sexualising bodies per se is kind of... strange?

I agree to both comments related to this.

Some of her looks have been shocking, but LOVEppears was not sexualized it was just a bold move. I think a number of the examples listed of her having a sexualized image are quite a stretch, and honestly a bit immature sounding.

Yes, culturally things are quite different. Ayu is also no Koda Kumi, literally dry humping a girl's arm in her PV (no shade to KK, you do you). But this is also the same culture that frequently has idol photo books of teenage girls in bikinis and doing suggestive things - these are positioned as "cute" by are obviously also attracting older men in a not so innocent way. And yet, while these girl group members are sexualized by fans and dirty old men, almost nobody would say that their image is explicitly sexual.

All of that to say that yes, Ayu DOES do things that are sexualized or draw from fetish imagery, usually in the context of performance. But it's hardly the base of her image, and she's hardly over-sexualized as compared to most of her peers.

Andrenekoi 10th February 2018 04:59 PM

Ok them... I guess u guys know more than Jolin Tsai what could be considered too much skin for an Asian stsr to show on an album cover. :P

attractive nausea 10th February 2018 05:21 PM

^ That's not what they're saying, what people are saying is that showing skin ≠ sexualization

All these posts are gonna be deleted soon because they're way out of topic, you guys better go on the Anything Goes thread if u want to keep this conversation going.

EndOfTheWorld 10th February 2018 05:37 PM

I think the problem is that Ayu is sexualized by other people, even if that is not her intention. The Loveppears photo is not sexual but the viewer sexualizes it because Ayu is a woman showing skin.

Andrenekoi 10th February 2018 06:05 PM

^^Usually she shows skin while playing the kawaii cheerleader/kitten maid/sexy bunny/school girl. Aside from the girls from AKB48 being way younger (what makes it creepy af) they are pretty much playing the sam3 troopes. Either that or she shows in lingerie whipping people.

^Why are you so sure she wasn't sexualizing it herself? Also, I believe she herself commented on the Duty outfit.

And I'm not saying that to point "how shameful" Ayu is or whatever. I just don't get people complaining about Timmy's outfits (that are picked up by Ayu) for showing skin or being "unclassy" when Timmy usually isn't on a level of undress Ayu doesn't put off frequently.

//ABEST 10th February 2018 06:33 PM

ayu's latest ig story seems to be JTB cover or 15th Anniversary style goods with dancers on them - i really hope it's for the JTB cover

Baco__ 10th February 2018 07:37 PM

If you guys don't see fetish in plenty of ayu's costumes and themes, gosh, you need to access xvideos more often.
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I was wondering something, and only you guys who have been to a concert in Japan can answer me haaha: do people sing along every song like we do in America/Europe? Or do we have to behave? Cause I wanna go, and wanna go crazy singing to every single word of it, and I don't want to be taken out by the security hahaha

EndOfTheWorld 10th February 2018 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baco__ (Post 3263380)
If you guys don't see fetish in plenty of ayu's costumes and themes, gosh, you need to access xvideos more often.

Perhaps it's others who need to access xvideos LESS often.:rolleyes

Irish_Ayu_Fan 10th February 2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baco__ (Post 3263380)
If you guys don't see fetish in plenty of ayu's costumes and themes, gosh, you need to access xvideos more often.
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I was wondering something, and only you guys who have been to a concert in Japan can answer me haaha: do people sing along every song like we do in America/Europe? Or do we have to behave? Cause I wanna go, and wanna go crazy singing to every single word of it, and I don't want to be taken out by the security hahaha

When I went last year, people only sang in the parts that they were invited to sing by Ayu. Pretty much Evolution & Boys & Girls lol. However, I was surrounded by Chinese fans who were singing during the other upbeat songs too. But the Japanese weren’t impressed haha

attractive nausea 10th February 2018 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baco__ (Post 3263380)
If you guys don't see fetish in plenty of ayu's costumes and themes, gosh, you need to access xvideos more often.
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I was wondering something, and only you guys who have been to a concert in Japan can answer me haaha: do people sing along every song like we do in America/Europe? Or do we have to behave? Cause I wanna go, and wanna go crazy singing to every single word of it, and I don't want to be taken out by the security hahaha

Well after all you're free to do what you want. But if you care about japanese fans' "well being" and perception of foreigners, you should refrain yourself from singing unless Ayu asks the audience to lol There have been cases of japanese fans complaining online about foreigners singing along and thus bothering them. Personally i was bothered by how some Tokyo fans looked so cold and bored during her concert lmao

Baco__ 10th February 2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3263383)
Perhaps it's others who need to access xvideos LESS often.:rolleyes

HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHAHAA guess I'm guilty.

About the concert: I really won't give a damn. As long as they don't take me out of the venue, I'm okay with passing a loud foreigner image. Hahaha


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