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njanjayrp 10th February 2018 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3263386)
Well after all you're free to do what you want. But if you care about japanese fans' "well being" and perception of foreigners, you should refrain yourself from singing unless Ayu asks the audience to lol There have been cases of japanese fans complaining online about foreigners singing along and thus bothering them. Personally i was bothered by how some Tokyo fans looked so cold and bored during her concert lmao

Yeah we are there to hear her. It’s fine to go crazy during the encore when she wants us to sing and maybe occasionally during some louder songs like WARNING, but be considerable ^^

Baco__ 10th February 2018 11:46 PM

That's a cultural shock I consider rather easy to avoid, but at the same time it's one someone isn't willing to avoid haha I mean, to sit and shut the whole concert seems like not a difficult task, but at the same time you came from the other side of the world to see someone and can't even sing along? Haha

Katsuyuki012 11th February 2018 12:57 AM

Well, I much more prefer to just watch & listen tbh. I can always sing a long when she wants us to but why listen to my own voice when I can hear her live. But that's matter of opinion I suppose! I just can't imagine being there and singing songs like FLOWER for example xD

If you decide to do so though, then be considerable as mentioned above. If you do, tell us how Japanese people reacted though xD

Baco__ 11th February 2018 02:52 AM

As I know few ayumi's lyrics I'd probably be quiet most of the concert lmao

but when it comes to BoA, Utada and Namie, whose lyrics I know by heart, I won't control myself, I'm pretty sure haha

But I guess the fans' reactions won't change whether it's an Ayumi or BoA concert haha I will tell you as soon as I know haha

Party_King 11th February 2018 12:23 PM

There's also the "option" to sing loudless, if you can't hold it back...

...and nobody could hear you pronouncing the lyrics wrong! ;)

Chris85 11th February 2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baco__ (Post 3263380)
I was wondering something, and only you guys who have been to a concert in Japan can answer me haaha: do people sing along every song like we do in America/Europe? Or do we have to behave? Cause I wanna go, and wanna go crazy singing to every single word of it, and I don't want to be taken out by the security hahaha

Yeah, better not sing along unless Ayu asks to. Otherwise you'll be universally hated and ruin the experience for everyone. Japanese are obsessed with rules. They post concert behavior rules and report to staff if they don't like someone's behavior.

_dandy_ 11th February 2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3263301)
The thing is, it's not "a couple of pics and videos".

Ayu releases that either show nudity or fetish clothing or caused some level of controverse for being "too sexy":

Album covers:
Loveppears
Duty
I Am...
RAINBOW
My STORY
Party Queen

(some people did complain Sixxxxxx and A One covers were too sexy over here. MIJ actually can be understood as referencing fetish)

Single covers with nudity, fetisg wear/bikini shots:
Boys & Girls
appears
kanariya
H
Step you
Mirrorcle World

(but pretty much every summer single over is a shot of Ayu invitingly looking at the camera wearing swin wear)

PVs that references sexual behavior or shows her in underwear/fetish wear:
SURREAL
Because of You
STEP you
my name's WOMEN
Ladies Night
1LOVE
Mirrorcle World
Rule
Sparkle (this one actually is visually based on a bdsm porn movie)
XOXO
Warning
Sayonara

Tours with pole dancing or Ayu in fetish wear or underwear or sexual choreo:
TA Limited
AT05
AT07
AT08
AT09
AT10
AT12
PSC
AT15
JTB

(I'm not counting CDLs, A-Nations or TV because I can't remember them all. I'm also ignoring outfits that pretty much just showed lots of legs, boobs or belly, what would had made me include pretty much every concert she ever had).

I'm not counting her photoshots for magazines or photobooks, were you can actually find more bikini shots, more bdsm inspired looks, etc.

Ayu shows lots of skin. Much more than Hikki, Ai Otsuka, Namie Amuro, even if they sing openly about sex and Ayu doesn't. Her live performances also goes on a more sugestive route far more often.

She also most likely references BDSM and fetish as much as she references Circuses. Most of her "kawaii" performances are actually the ones she wears the less clothes and the sexy version of some innocent character. The kawaii performances from AT06, AT08, AT09, AT10, AT12 have Ayu pretty much dressed as a character from a hentai manga.

I'm sorry, but her image is VERY sexual, and it was since Loveppears. The reason she isn't western-popstarish sexy is because the fetishes and how a desireble woman is perceived in both cultures is largely different. What doesn't make it any less sexual.

Meh. None of your examples come anywhere close to Madonna having women dancing on her stage bare-breasted, or Lady Gaga prancing about topless except for tiny pieces of tape covering her nipples, or Miley Cyrus's twerking and dry-humping with male dancers.

[Edit]
I appreciate the cultural differences. That's why I'm saying Ayu's nowhere near any of these, despite perhaps "pushing the edge" by different standards.

Baco__ 11th February 2018 04:25 PM

By y'all standards I'm starting to think Koda Kuni is a gospel singer, then.

Regarding the concert: Chris85 that's what I was afraid haushauys

~angel*ayumi~ 11th February 2018 04:47 PM

I hate it in general when ppl sing along so I am glad nobody does at Ayu concerts. (Exept for songs like Boys&Girls when itīs wanted)
I had that once at a musical and I was close to punch that girl in her face, srsly ><
I go to a concert/musical to enjoy the show and not to have someone sing crooked tones beneath me.
I love to sing along my fave songs... but in the car, or under the shower were I donīt bother other ppl.

yabieru 11th February 2018 06:05 PM

I think you people are overreacting a bit. It depends of the type of concert you attend. Of course in a musical it's bad to sing along but in a pop-rock concert?

I've been in different type of concerts like Ayu or Lady Gaga and in most of them people are singing. It's not like you are screaming in someone's ear but hearing 15,000 people sing Bad Romance is totally a experience.

I was at Ayu's Osaka show last summer and I sang almost the whole concert, and it was totally fine, and my boyfriend even danced and sang with the japanese girl who was in front of us. But the girl next to me (japanese too) was screaming "Midori" everytime Midori showed up. She was annoying, not me.

People can be bothered everywhere. Not necessarily for being japanese. Just have fun. Anyway when you are there, you read the atmosphere and figure out what you can and can't do :)

KittyKathy 11th February 2018 06:09 PM

In Europe, people sing and scream all the time during the concert. They compete who will be louder :D. I'm used to it.
It's very strange to be quiet all the time. When I watched her concert for the first time, I wondered why nobody was singing. I later found out why.

~angel*ayumi~ 11th February 2018 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yabieru (Post 3263463)
I think you people are overreacting a bit.

Maybe xD


Yeah i know concerts in Europe are different. I was at One OK Rock concert last December and stayed in the back because of that. But I was nearly squeezed when I tried to buy a shirt after the concert o.o
I definatly prefer concerts in Japan xD

EndOfTheWorld 11th February 2018 06:24 PM

If I was to go to a concert in Japan, I would want to respect the Japanese way of doing things. Reading the air is important in Japan. I believe in Japan it is considered rude to be rowdy during a performance.

~angel*ayumi~ 11th February 2018 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3263467)
If I was to go to a concert in Japan, I would want to respect the Japanese way of doing things. Reading the air is important in Japan. I believe in Japan it is considered rude to be raudy during a performance.

Agree. In europe you need a strong voice, in Japan you need a strong arm, srsly they wave with the light uchiwas the whole concert long xD

KittyKathy 11th February 2018 06:34 PM

I could barely breathe on the concerts. That's why I always choose grandstand.

Baco__ 11th February 2018 06:36 PM

I wasn't thinking of screaming the whole concert because my voice would vanish within 2, 3 songs hahah I was talking about singing more to myself and stuff hahha I guess you all thought I was speaking of screaming xD (I mean, there are songs we feel like screaming - I would in appears, for example Hahaha - but I don't feel like keeping my mouth shut for 2 hours haha and thank you yabieru for your comment haha I feel relieved!

BTW, who the hell sing along at a musical????

EndOfTheWorld 11th February 2018 06:41 PM

I personally would prefer the Japanese style. Concerts over here can get way too crazy for my taste. I love how civilized it is over there.:laugh
I also would much rather see uchiwas and light sticks than an ocean of phones in the air.

njanjayrp 11th February 2018 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3263472)
I personally would prefer the Japanese style. Concerts over here can get way too crazy for my taste. I love how civilized it is over there.:laugh
I also would much rather see uchiwas and light sticks than an ocean of phones in the air.

Agreed.

Chris85 12th February 2018 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by yabieru (Post 3263463)
I think you people are overreacting a bit. It depends of the type of concert you attend. Of course in a musical it's bad to sing along but in a pop-rock concert?

I've been in different type of concerts like Ayu or Lady Gaga and in most of them people are singing. It's not like you are screaming in someone's ear but hearing 15,000 people sing Bad Romance is totally a experience.

I was at Ayu's Osaka show last summer and I sang almost the whole concert, and it was totally fine, and my boyfriend even danced and sang with the japanese girl who was in front of us. But the girl next to me (japanese too) was screaming "Midori" everytime Midori showed up. She was annoying, not me.

People can be bothered everywhere. Not necessarily for being japanese. Just have fun. Anyway when you are there, you read the atmosphere and figure out what you can and can't do :)

That's what you think. Japanese are mostly polite, so they probably struggled to ask you to stop. I'd definitely tell you to stfu. In Japan screaming and cheering is considered normal, singing is not.

njanjayrp 12th February 2018 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3263488)
That's what you think. Japanese are mostly polite, so they probably struggled to ask you to stop. I'd definitely tell you to stfu. In Japan screaming and cheering is considered normal, singing is not.

This. I would have at least given you the look if you were too loud. The Japanese isually scream between the songs or if there is a dramatic pause or something unexpected.


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